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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
August 01 2016 17:20 GMT
#81
On August 02 2016 02:06 Clonester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 01:27 Durp wrote:
6 years ago I remember SC2 built the eSports scene from essentially nothing.

On Saturday a CSGO team won a 1.4 million dollar prize pool, while playing on TBS live (major American TV station). All the while SC2 pros are having a hard time getting $5000 paid to them?

what the actual fuck?


CS:GO was able to absorb the complete scene, pros and fans of CS 1.6 and CSS within a short period to have a healthy, non valve financed start. (The beginning was a bit hard, because the game had its issued, but valve fixed it pretty fast).
SC II was never able to absorb its prior games scenes and fans (BW in Korea, Warcraft III and the smaller western BW scene) as much as CS:GO was able. The pros of Korea moved only 2 years later, leading to a stupid phase of x2 of teams and pros that could be supported by the scenes economy, the fans in Korea did never move fully to the new game, BW seems to be still more popular there, Warcraft III is even breathing fresh air in 2015 and 2016, pros return to stream and play Warcraft III instead of SC II just like Happy, Moon or Check.

Ah and yeah, while Valve made flawed updates, broke things and fixed them and there is generally some problems within the game, the games concept has never been altered and is really the core of what is CS. Blizzard on the other hand tried to invet the wheel new but still used old names and thus old expectations. The game was nothing like its prior game, its a new game, its not a bad game, but its just nothing that BW was with all its changes. Later on, Blizzard changed the game way too often by patches and the 2 expansions, while CS:GO changed only pretty slightly and its core is still its core. Weapons got nerfed and buffed, round timer adjusted, people became mad, but it is still the very core of CS. While "Worker-Killing-on-Steroids" aka LotV is not what the core of SC has been.

Just my cents to this.

To the topic. Choya has to give me more to convince me, since his fake MLG callout (not understand american taxes), I dont trust him alot on financial matters.

You also totally forget to mention how skins and betting increased the CS:GO immensely.

And besides a few things, SC2 is slowly becoming more and more like broodwar.

"While "Worker-Killing-on-Steroids" aka LotV is not what the core of SC has been."
If your referring to broodwar I would like to point out that it had things like reaver drops, mutas, vultures, and any aggressive build would most likely kill tons of workers.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
August 01 2016 17:21 GMT
#82
On August 02 2016 02:11 sabas123 wrote:
This entire thing is a becoming a giant mess.

Show nested quote +

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source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4vmcug/choya_claims/d5zsn7z



Choya being choya...
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
August 01 2016 17:21 GMT
#83
finally some drama
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
August 01 2016 17:25 GMT
#84
On August 02 2016 02:21 Makro wrote:
finally some drama

We are in luck, there's one of the view botting kind as well

Not as juicy as this tho obv
I Protoss winner, could it be?
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
August 01 2016 17:32 GMT
#85
On August 02 2016 02:20 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 02:06 Clonester wrote:
On August 02 2016 01:27 Durp wrote:
6 years ago I remember SC2 built the eSports scene from essentially nothing.

On Saturday a CSGO team won a 1.4 million dollar prize pool, while playing on TBS live (major American TV station). All the while SC2 pros are having a hard time getting $5000 paid to them?

what the actual fuck?


CS:GO was able to absorb the complete scene, pros and fans of CS 1.6 and CSS within a short period to have a healthy, non valve financed start. (The beginning was a bit hard, because the game had its issued, but valve fixed it pretty fast).
SC II was never able to absorb its prior games scenes and fans (BW in Korea, Warcraft III and the smaller western BW scene) as much as CS:GO was able. The pros of Korea moved only 2 years later, leading to a stupid phase of x2 of teams and pros that could be supported by the scenes economy, the fans in Korea did never move fully to the new game, BW seems to be still more popular there, Warcraft III is even breathing fresh air in 2015 and 2016, pros return to stream and play Warcraft III instead of SC II just like Happy, Moon or Check.

Ah and yeah, while Valve made flawed updates, broke things and fixed them and there is generally some problems within the game, the games concept has never been altered and is really the core of what is CS. Blizzard on the other hand tried to invet the wheel new but still used old names and thus old expectations. The game was nothing like its prior game, its a new game, its not a bad game, but its just nothing that BW was with all its changes. Later on, Blizzard changed the game way too often by patches and the 2 expansions, while CS:GO changed only pretty slightly and its core is still its core. Weapons got nerfed and buffed, round timer adjusted, people became mad, but it is still the very core of CS. While "Worker-Killing-on-Steroids" aka LotV is not what the core of SC has been.

Just my cents to this.

To the topic. Choya has to give me more to convince me, since his fake MLG callout (not understand american taxes), I dont trust him alot on financial matters.

You also totally forget to mention how skins and betting increased the CS:GO immensely.

And besides a few things, SC2 is slowly becoming more and more like broodwar.

"While "Worker-Killing-on-Steroids" aka LotV is not what the core of SC has been."
If your referring to broodwar I would like to point out that it had things like reaver drops, mutas, vultures, and any aggressive build would most likely kill tons of workers.

SC2 is nothing like BW at all. Maybe superficially, but if you watch a couple hours of BW and then a couple hours of SC2 you will realize its a completely different game. I agree with what Clonestar wrote. SC2 would have been way more popular if it was more like BW (from the feeling, not the technical difficulties). After all, there are still plenty of people interested in BW, there is even people left working on tools to make it more accessible.

By the way, BW harassment did not kill tons of workers. Mutas dont kill many workers unless you dont know how to respond to them. They kill like maybe 4 or 5 if the Z is lucky. The same goes for Reaver drops. (if they hit at all)
Probably the most worker kills come from Storm drops or Lurker drops but both come late in the game when you are on 3 or more bases.
WonnaPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands912 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 17:51:40
August 01 2016 17:51 GMT
#86
On August 02 2016 02:25 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 02:21 Makro wrote:
finally some drama

We are in luck, there's one of the view botting kind as well

Not as juicy as this tho obv


Been a long time since there has been any SC2 drama.

If you're interested in e-sports drama, I'd suggest you watch this recent CS:GO betting drama.
It's been pretty fun to observe aswell : CS:GO Lotto (Richard Lewis)
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
August 01 2016 17:54 GMT
#87
On August 02 2016 02:51 WonnaPlay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 02:25 Penev wrote:
On August 02 2016 02:21 Makro wrote:
finally some drama

We are in luck, there's one of the view botting kind as well

Not as juicy as this tho obv


Been a long time since there has been any SC2 drama.

If you're interested in e-sports drama, I'd suggest you watch this recent CS:GO betting drama.
It's been pretty fun to observe aswell : CS:GO Lotto (Richard Lewis)

Appreciated but I already knew that one, the video where this Tmartin or something denies the allegations is golden tho
I Protoss winner, could it be?
[16thSq] Kuro
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1221 Posts
August 01 2016 17:57 GMT
#88
|| SC2 Info Fairy || Co-founder of CranKy Ducklings || All my links: linktr.ee/16thsquadsanseki ||
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
August 01 2016 18:07 GMT
#89
lol
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 01 2016 18:08 GMT
#90
Invasion esports guy has been shifty from the start

rip passion
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
August 01 2016 18:12 GMT
#91
Bunch of tweets on choya's twitter if ppl want to check them out
Moderatorlickypiddy
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 18:18:39
August 01 2016 18:15 GMT
#92
someone already posted them i think nvm lol
Moderatorlickypiddy
JonnySC2
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany119 Posts
August 01 2016 18:18 GMT
#93
Some drama from time to time is fine but this is escalating.
SKT best KT
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
August 01 2016 18:22 GMT
#94
Someone needs to wake Wax up, this is the best drama since Boss and Jessica left SC2.
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 01 2016 18:26 GMT
#95
Legend also hasn't received 9k from invasion esports sebou

rip passion
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 18:34:13
August 01 2016 18:33 GMT
#96

ok...
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
August 01 2016 18:35 GMT
#97
Fuck it, I'll put £500.00 up for GuMigod. All this drama is doing my head in.
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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
August 01 2016 18:36 GMT
#98
On August 02 2016 03:33 Ansibled wrote:
https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/760180940576395264
ok...


Demuslim is a shitposter in wannabe programer form so until someone can corroborate, I'm not believing it.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
August 01 2016 18:39 GMT
#99
This can all be solved if they just show the check receipts btw. If either of them did this in cash without any form of documentation then fuck them both.
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
bduddy
Profile Joined May 2012
United States1326 Posts
August 01 2016 18:40 GMT
#100
On August 02 2016 03:36 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 03:33 Ansibled wrote:
https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/760180940576395264
ok...


Demuslim is a shitposter in wannabe programer form so until someone can corroborate, I'm not believing it.
To clarify, that was originally posted by Sebou. Demuslim obviously doesn't like Choya though.
>Liquid'Nazgul: Of course you are completely right
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