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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
August 01 2016 12:16 GMT
#41
The only good result of this, as I can see it, is that Gumiho finally joins a proper Kespa team.

Considering his recent performance it shouldn't be too much to ask (join KT please!).
Flash | Mvp
PolarisSpark
Profile Joined May 2016
60 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 12:19:58
August 01 2016 12:18 GMT
#42
Sebou replied in the reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4vklyy/gumiho_owed_over_5000_from_invasion_esports/d5zeqzo
Claims that he's already paid what's owed, so I guess we shouldn't raise our pitchforks too quickly yet.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
August 01 2016 12:19 GMT
#43
On August 01 2016 19:35 FireCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 19:18 LongShot27 wrote:
Man esports competitors are really really naive across all games. STOP LETTING OTHER PEOPLE HANDLE YOUR PRIZE MONEY. If your team demands individual prizes be handled by them you need to know theyre gonna take it. Sucks for gumiho.


Many progamers prefer that their team gets the prizemoney directly then send it back to them...
Because if tournament organizer gives you the money directly they have to pay tax and you get less money in the process.
But if tournament organizer gives the money directly to your organization they don't pay taxes and you will in the end get all your prize money.

I never really understand why but this is how it works.


You still have to pay taxes it's just taxed differently. Instead of an "award/winnings/bonus" whatever they call it in each country tax. If your organization who is your employer pays you it just goes under income tax which for most people in most places will be lower than taking it directly. And the organization has to pay tax when they receive it so usually the roughly same amount of money is taken out in taxes, you've just created a middle man, who often in this case just takes everything.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 01 2016 12:20 GMT
#44
Just in case you missed it, Sebou replied to this on Reddit.

Hello it had been brought to my attention that i am the main concern of this post. First of all i would like to point out that in no way Invasion or me owe gumiho 5000+ extras. Gumiho and Invasion were under contract and there were very specifics. I'm currently reviewing conversations, payements made by me and contracts so i can be accurate. Because despite the fact that Gumiho was in Invasion at a 100%, they had to agree to take different paths as Kespa didn't allowed him to play Proleague while being in a foreign team for round 2 or 3. So we reach an understanding that i would and only me support him to go to events even though he was representing MVP 100% during Tours HSC Valencia. And during this time he was supported by me personally, we had different terms. I'm writing this quickly before reviewing all the conversations and contract to show that i'm not going anywhere. He made it public, i will by consequence reveal all publicly.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
August 01 2016 12:21 GMT
#45
On August 01 2016 21:18 PolarisSpark wrote:
Sebou replied in the reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4vklyy/gumiho_owed_over_5000_from_invasion_esports/d5zeqzo
Claims that he's already paid what's owed, so I guess we shouldn't raise our pitchforks too quickly yet.

Good to hear him say something at least.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
August 01 2016 12:22 GMT
#46
On August 01 2016 21:16 Ctesias wrote:
The only good result of this, as I can see it, is that Gumiho finally joins a proper Kespa team.

I don't see how you get that from this at all.
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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
August 01 2016 12:22 GMT
#47
Oh eSports... I remember getting screwed numerous times from teams. Never at this amount though. Sucks =\
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
August 01 2016 12:23 GMT
#48
On August 01 2016 20:50 SkilleX wrote:
Let´s wait for a answer of Sbenou before we go too deep in this.

Although i was also a follower of his twitter account and his champagne here, champagne there posts.



Reminds me of a story Richard Lewis told in one of his shows. Some guy wanted to play the rich team owner and rent nice sports cars to drive up to tournaments... sad affair for GuMi :/
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PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
August 01 2016 12:32 GMT
#49
This from the owner of IE source is reddit post few posts above me:

+ Show Spoiler +
king_sebou
Hello it had been brought to my attention that i am the main concern of this post. First of all i would like to point out that in no way Invasion or me owe gumiho 5000+ extras. Gumiho and Invasion were under contract and there were very specifics. I'm currently reviewing conversations, payements made by me and contracts so i can be accurate. Because despite the fact that Gumiho was in Invasion at a 100%, they had to agree to take different paths as Kespa didn't allowed him to play Proleague while being in a foreign team for round 2 or 3. So we reach an understanding that i would and only me support him to go to events even though he was representing MVP 100% during Tours HSC Valencia. And during this time he was supported by me personally, we had different terms. I'm writing this quickly before reviewing all the conversations and contract to show that i'm not going anywhere. He made it public, i will by consequence reveal all publicly.


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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
August 01 2016 12:55 GMT
#50
On August 01 2016 21:22 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2016 21:16 Ctesias wrote:
The only good result of this, as I can see it, is that Gumiho finally joins a proper Kespa team.

I don't see how you get that from this at all.

Wishful thinking combined with care for Gumiho's well-being.
Flash | Mvp
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
August 01 2016 13:05 GMT
#51
Sebou made a longer reply on Reddit. He claims Choya actually owes him money to the tune of $6000
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oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
August 01 2016 13:10 GMT
#52
On August 01 2016 22:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Sebou made a longer reply on Reddit. He claims Choya actually owes him money to the tune of $6000

popcorn time !
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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
August 01 2016 13:14 GMT
#53
On August 01 2016 22:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Sebou made a longer reply on Reddit. He claims Choya actually owes him money to the tune of $6000

The plot thickens.
Flash | Mvp
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 01 2016 13:15 GMT
#54
On August 01 2016 22:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Sebou made a longer reply on Reddit. He claims Choya actually owes him money to the tune of $6000

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Mier19891
Profile Joined May 2015
United States75 Posts
August 01 2016 13:16 GMT
#55
"too drunk to meet me"... shots fired.
[16thSq] Kuro
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1217 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 13:17:52
August 01 2016 13:16 GMT
#56
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HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
August 01 2016 13:16 GMT
#57
Sounds like another typical sc2 case of robbing the Koreans to pay the foreigners.
[16thSq] Kuro
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1217 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 13:19:21
August 01 2016 13:18 GMT
#58


Legend spamming twitter a bit, someone show him tweetlonger
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SkilleX
Profile Joined August 2016
2 Posts
August 01 2016 13:20 GMT
#59
Sbenou gave him money in cash... so no way to prove it 100% if Choya would say he didnt get money in cash...

Also "suprising" that Sbenou didnt think of the 6k he claims Choya owes him before.

I dont know what to think of this drama, 6k is a lot of money and i dont think Sbenou only now found out that Choya owes him this amount of money.

Dont want to judge yet tho.
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
August 01 2016 13:42 GMT
#60
Poor SC2. Cannot have a single day of quietness,
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