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Monetary conflict between Invasion, Choya, Legend - Page 4

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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
August 01 2016 13:42 GMT
#61
This whole situation is about as clear as mud to me. A lot of statements but no real proof, I guess Choya felt he had no choice but to go public, but now it's turning into " 1: You owe me money.......... 2: NO YOU OWE ME MONEY!"
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
August 01 2016 13:52 GMT
#62
...oh that's just nasty.
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
August 01 2016 14:15 GMT
#63
On August 01 2016 22:42 Ctone23 wrote:
This whole situation is about as clear as mud to me. A lot of statements but no real proof, I guess Choya felt he had no choice but to go public, but now it's turning into " 1: You owe me money.......... 2: NO YOU OWE ME MONEY!"

Which although being horrible for people actually lost their money, is also a hilarious situation...
*Grab popcorn*
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
August 01 2016 14:42 GMT
#64
On August 01 2016 22:18 [16thSq] Kuro wrote:


Legend spamming twitter a bit, someone show him tweetlonger

Oh shit drg wasn't paid, now I'm pissed.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
August 01 2016 14:42 GMT
#65
It would appear that everyone is at fault here. Formal and informal agreements between several parties plus informal (cash) settlements. This is bound to cause misunderstandings, even if everyone acted in good faith. Taxes and expenses might make quite a big chunk of the money "disappear" and be very frustrating. And that is assuming everyone did act in good faith..
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8246 Posts
August 01 2016 15:25 GMT
#66
Honestly this is what happens when you don't do your due diligence when doing business. Everything needs to be documented and you have to make sure you know what you're getting yourself into. Clearly these two didn't and now their reputation will forever be tarnished because of it.
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 16:04:37
August 01 2016 15:58 GMT
#67













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Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
August 01 2016 16:03 GMT
#68
So, Choya said hes gonna quit this scene.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
August 01 2016 16:04 GMT
#69
On August 02 2016 01:03 Thouhastmail wrote:
So, Choya said hes gonna quit this scene.

would you mind writing a rough translation?
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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
August 01 2016 16:05 GMT
#70
Well this is getting awkward
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Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 16:10:45
August 01 2016 16:09 GMT
#71
"At least I did my best for the last 10 yrs without matchfixing, and lived for SC 1 and 2 with passion. And this is what I got; you guys blaming me for swearing - that wrong, huh? Okay, I`d quit; It`s a shame. Too tired."
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
Siphyo
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands121 Posts
August 01 2016 16:26 GMT
#72
At least there are some dodgy personal agreements not signed by either party to hide behind.
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Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
August 01 2016 16:27 GMT
#73
6 years ago I remember SC2 built the eSports scene from essentially nothing.

On Saturday a CSGO team won a 1.4 million dollar prize pool, while playing on TBS live (major American TV station). All the while SC2 pros are having a hard time getting $5000 paid to them?

what the actual fuck?
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Durenas
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada45 Posts
August 01 2016 16:42 GMT
#74
On August 02 2016 01:27 Durp wrote:
6 years ago I remember SC2 built the eSports scene from essentially nothing.

On Saturday a CSGO team won a 1.4 million dollar prize pool, while playing on TBS live (major American TV station). All the while SC2 pros are having a hard time getting $5000 paid to them?

what the actual fuck?

Trust me, if shit like this happened in Korea, people would get arrested. Have been arrested. They take their Starcraft seriously there.
Behold, wonderous rapidity!
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-01 16:48:48
August 01 2016 16:47 GMT
#75
On August 02 2016 01:27 Durp wrote:
6 years ago I remember SC2 built the eSports scene from essentially nothing.

On Saturday a CSGO team won a 1.4 million dollar prize pool, while playing on TBS live (major American TV station). All the while SC2 pros are having a hard time getting $5000 paid to them?

what the actual fuck?

Well when the game loses 90% of it's player base the pros tend to make less money.
Also can we get rid of this myth that SC2 invented eSports in the west?
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
August 01 2016 16:56 GMT
#76
On August 02 2016 01:47 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2016 01:27 Durp wrote:
6 years ago I remember SC2 built the eSports scene from essentially nothing.

On Saturday a CSGO team won a 1.4 million dollar prize pool, while playing on TBS live (major American TV station). All the while SC2 pros are having a hard time getting $5000 paid to them?

what the actual fuck?

Well when the game loses 90% of it's player base the pros tend to make less money.
Also can we get rid of this myth that SC2 invented eSports in the west?

I wouldnt say invent, rather popularize and revitalized.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
August 01 2016 16:59 GMT
#77
I hate everyone, fuck esports at this point it's always shitty news
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
August 01 2016 17:06 GMT
#78
On August 02 2016 01:27 Durp wrote:
6 years ago I remember SC2 built the eSports scene from essentially nothing.

On Saturday a CSGO team won a 1.4 million dollar prize pool, while playing on TBS live (major American TV station). All the while SC2 pros are having a hard time getting $5000 paid to them?

what the actual fuck?


CS:GO was able to absorb the complete scene, pros and fans of CS 1.6 and CSS within a short period to have a healthy, non valve financed start. (The beginning was a bit hard, because the game had its issued, but valve fixed it pretty fast).
SC II was never able to absorb its prior games scenes and fans (BW in Korea, Warcraft III and the smaller western BW scene) as much as CS:GO was able. The pros of Korea moved only 2 years later, leading to a stupid phase of x2 of teams and pros that could be supported by the scenes economy, the fans in Korea did never move fully to the new game, BW seems to be still more popular there, Warcraft III is even breathing fresh air in 2015 and 2016, pros return to stream and play Warcraft III instead of SC II just like Happy, Moon or Check.

Ah and yeah, while Valve made flawed updates, broke things and fixed them and there is generally some problems within the game, the games concept has never been altered and is really the core of what is CS. Blizzard on the other hand tried to invet the wheel new but still used old names and thus old expectations. The game was nothing like its prior game, its a new game, its not a bad game, but its just nothing that BW was with all its changes. Later on, Blizzard changed the game way too often by patches and the 2 expansions, while CS:GO changed only pretty slightly and its core is still its core. Weapons got nerfed and buffed, round timer adjusted, people became mad, but it is still the very core of CS. While "Worker-Killing-on-Steroids" aka LotV is not what the core of SC has been.

Just my cents to this.

To the topic. Choya has to give me more to convince me, since his fake MLG callout (not understand american taxes), I dont trust him alot on financial matters.
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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
August 01 2016 17:08 GMT
#79
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 02 2016 00:58 banjoetheredskin wrote:
https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/760141739306782720

https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/760141769262501892

https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/760141808206647297

https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/760141840481792001

https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/760141876913504256

https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/760141903979421697

https://twitter.com/MVPChoya/status/760142202781638656





If that isn't proof the guy is full of shit, I don't know what is. What a shame he seems to be French...
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
August 01 2016 17:11 GMT
#80
This entire thing is a becoming a giant mess.


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source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/4vmcug/choya_claims/d5zsn7z

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