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On July 03 2016 05:39 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 05:20 stuchiu wrote:On July 03 2016 04:04 Noocta wrote:On July 03 2016 03:51 Shield wrote:On July 03 2016 03:45 Noocta wrote:
I mean, he's not going to do anything serious in Overwatch, would be more fitting to say he's retiring to play games for fun. There were Sc2 players who switched to Dota and LoL as well. Has anyone been successful at all? We'll see, maybe Overwatch is different. HuK also seems interested in Overwatch? He was streaming it for a little bit. As far as I know, the only example of a pro from one game going to also a pro level in another one is Lucifron and Vortix from Strcraft to Heroes of the Storm. Every other example is just going from Pro to Amateur / Enthousiast level. duckdeok and Sniper sC, CrazyMoving, Noblesse, BabyKnight do we count Hearthstone as esports? because that means a lot more too. And then there's people switching between different MOBAs
I mean Forsen was a SC2 player before Hearthstone, and he's pretty successful to say the least lol.
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On July 03 2016 04:50 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote:
always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it. From experience, every Americans thinks that about about half French people tho :p
Not only americans srsly the most french ppl i met where really arrogant. Im german so i may be biased haha
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But he is switching to Overwatch to practice for Overwatch 2, right?
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Man it feels like lilbow gets more shit than Naniwa on this thing. Atleast Lilbow played his matches lol.
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sucks cause he could still get back to top EU form
but overwatch has no competitive future so maybe he'll come back
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Thats what Lilbows GF told me at HSC. Funny to hear it officialy now.
For all the people who are saying that the switch is stupid amd won't work or even start comparing it to a real sport (lol?)
A ton of LoL, Starcraft and even CSGO pros did not actually play a related genre or something like that before they turned pro.
Switching a video game is completly different from switching a real sport where people are training their bodys for many more years.
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On July 03 2016 06:24 miniskirt wrote:
but overwatch has no competitive future so maybe he'll come back
LOL. And SC2 does?
Overwatch is a top 5 game at this point. In Korea its beating League right now. Doesn't matter if it's entertaining to watch, if people play the game they will watch it.
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On July 03 2016 05:50 Primelot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:50 Noocta wrote:On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote:
always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it. From experience, every Americans thinks that about about half French people tho :p Not only americans srsly the most french ppl i met where really arrogant. Im german so i may be biased haha
I am not sure what to say after reading ur autistic comment. Oh wait u are german.
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On July 03 2016 06:56 adnap2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 05:50 Primelot wrote:On July 03 2016 04:50 Noocta wrote:On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote:
always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it. From experience, every Americans thinks that about about half French people tho :p Not only americans srsly the most french ppl i met where really arrogant. Im german so i may be biased haha I am not sure what to say after reading ur autistic comment. Oh wait u are german. User was warned for this post
hes maybe warned, but he made a fair point
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On July 03 2016 01:45 elfonse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 00:55 DMXD wrote:
Can't really blame him.
the starcraft community been on his nuts ever since the blizzcon incident.
good luck
im 100% sure in any other competitive sports, his thrashing would be 1000% worse. He should be thankful it came down to just only jokes
That's some entitlement bullshit.
He's a human being, he can make whatever choice he chooses to with his life.
And that doesn't give the rest of the world a "reason" to treat someone poorly.
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On July 03 2016 05:22 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:31 Clbull wrote:Can you really blame Lilbow for quitting StarCraft II? The game, the community and even the competitive scene have declined in recent years, and at this point certain aspects of them have become a joke. Let's go back to the infamous Blizzcon 2015 loss, shall we? In Lilbow's shoes, you had two options, you could either: - Practice Heart of the Swarm for the final premier tournament of the expansion's life cycle, which you have no chance whatsoever of winning, especially when the entire bracket is stacked with KeSPA Koreans and when you face Life in the very first round. Doing this will not benefit you at all during LotV beta tournaments or even in the game's release.
- Practice Legacy of the Void. The game is just coming out of closed beta at that point, and there are a number of beta cups and even upcoming premier tournaments that you can practice in advance for. Doing this would catch you up with the meta, and make you one of the more experienced foreign players coming into the next expansion.
Lilbow made the smart choice by not bothering with Blizzcon and was vilified by the community and even the Korean scene for his choice. It's just like when the people hated on Naniwa for forfeiting that series against Polt at IEM Katowice. He had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from facing off against Polt at that point, because he had a stacked Ro16 bracket of KeSPA and eSF Koreans to face off against, and the idiots at ESL thought it was a good idea to announce at the very last minute the most top-heavy prize pool in eSports existence by making the $100,000 pot 'winner takes all.' Then there's the metagame. SC2 has become boring and stale, especially since HotS and LotV. Each game playing out almost identically with the same unit compositions, map design and aggressive drop and harassment play. Back in WoL, you saw loads of new builds for all three races come into existence, even after the dreaded 1.4.3 Balance Update which made the Zerg economic early game overpowered. HotS had MMMM vs ling bling muta ultra in every single TvZ game, Stalker Colossus High Templar vs MMMM in every single TvP game, and Roach Hydra Viper vs deathball in every ZvP game, with no variation whatsoever, aside from the dreaded 3 hour Swarm Host games that nobody wants to talk about or acknowledge. And now in LotV, we have Siegeivacs, Adepts, Disruptors and 9 range Lurkers to stagnate the meta into constant drop harass builds. You ever read his facebook post? He says Life didn't play an honorable game and if he had practiced he'd have beat Life. He didn't do the work, but he still wanted the credit.
That's not what he said. He said the games looked so bad because life went for cheese strategies (meaning in macro games he would have looked better) and if he practiced really hard he could have maybe beaten life but beating inno afterwards would have been impossible.
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On July 03 2016 07:34 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 05:22 stuchiu wrote:On July 03 2016 04:31 Clbull wrote:Can you really blame Lilbow for quitting StarCraft II? The game, the community and even the competitive scene have declined in recent years, and at this point certain aspects of them have become a joke. Let's go back to the infamous Blizzcon 2015 loss, shall we? In Lilbow's shoes, you had two options, you could either: - Practice Heart of the Swarm for the final premier tournament of the expansion's life cycle, which you have no chance whatsoever of winning, especially when the entire bracket is stacked with KeSPA Koreans and when you face Life in the very first round. Doing this will not benefit you at all during LotV beta tournaments or even in the game's release.
- Practice Legacy of the Void. The game is just coming out of closed beta at that point, and there are a number of beta cups and even upcoming premier tournaments that you can practice in advance for. Doing this would catch you up with the meta, and make you one of the more experienced foreign players coming into the next expansion.
Lilbow made the smart choice by not bothering with Blizzcon and was vilified by the community and even the Korean scene for his choice. It's just like when the people hated on Naniwa for forfeiting that series against Polt at IEM Katowice. He had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from facing off against Polt at that point, because he had a stacked Ro16 bracket of KeSPA and eSF Koreans to face off against, and the idiots at ESL thought it was a good idea to announce at the very last minute the most top-heavy prize pool in eSports existence by making the $100,000 pot 'winner takes all.' Then there's the metagame. SC2 has become boring and stale, especially since HotS and LotV. Each game playing out almost identically with the same unit compositions, map design and aggressive drop and harassment play. Back in WoL, you saw loads of new builds for all three races come into existence, even after the dreaded 1.4.3 Balance Update which made the Zerg economic early game overpowered. HotS had MMMM vs ling bling muta ultra in every single TvZ game, Stalker Colossus High Templar vs MMMM in every single TvP game, and Roach Hydra Viper vs deathball in every ZvP game, with no variation whatsoever, aside from the dreaded 3 hour Swarm Host games that nobody wants to talk about or acknowledge. And now in LotV, we have Siegeivacs, Adepts, Disruptors and 9 range Lurkers to stagnate the meta into constant drop harass builds. You ever read his facebook post? He says Life didn't play an honorable game and if he had practiced he'd have beat Life. He didn't do the work, but he still wanted the credit. That's not what he said. He said the games looked so bad because life went for cheese strategies (meaning in macro games he would have looked better) and if he practiced really hard he could have maybe beaten life but beating inno afterwards would have been impossible.
yeah, he can definitely suggest that to blizzard and other map makers. make the map the way that no cheese is possible, and he would be happy.
come on, his opening was exactly a lotv build at that time. nothing cheesy from life.
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On July 03 2016 07:34 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 05:22 stuchiu wrote:On July 03 2016 04:31 Clbull wrote:Can you really blame Lilbow for quitting StarCraft II? The game, the community and even the competitive scene have declined in recent years, and at this point certain aspects of them have become a joke. Let's go back to the infamous Blizzcon 2015 loss, shall we? In Lilbow's shoes, you had two options, you could either: - Practice Heart of the Swarm for the final premier tournament of the expansion's life cycle, which you have no chance whatsoever of winning, especially when the entire bracket is stacked with KeSPA Koreans and when you face Life in the very first round. Doing this will not benefit you at all during LotV beta tournaments or even in the game's release.
- Practice Legacy of the Void. The game is just coming out of closed beta at that point, and there are a number of beta cups and even upcoming premier tournaments that you can practice in advance for. Doing this would catch you up with the meta, and make you one of the more experienced foreign players coming into the next expansion.
Lilbow made the smart choice by not bothering with Blizzcon and was vilified by the community and even the Korean scene for his choice. It's just like when the people hated on Naniwa for forfeiting that series against Polt at IEM Katowice. He had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from facing off against Polt at that point, because he had a stacked Ro16 bracket of KeSPA and eSF Koreans to face off against, and the idiots at ESL thought it was a good idea to announce at the very last minute the most top-heavy prize pool in eSports existence by making the $100,000 pot 'winner takes all.' Then there's the metagame. SC2 has become boring and stale, especially since HotS and LotV. Each game playing out almost identically with the same unit compositions, map design and aggressive drop and harassment play. Back in WoL, you saw loads of new builds for all three races come into existence, even after the dreaded 1.4.3 Balance Update which made the Zerg economic early game overpowered. HotS had MMMM vs ling bling muta ultra in every single TvZ game, Stalker Colossus High Templar vs MMMM in every single TvP game, and Roach Hydra Viper vs deathball in every ZvP game, with no variation whatsoever, aside from the dreaded 3 hour Swarm Host games that nobody wants to talk about or acknowledge. And now in LotV, we have Siegeivacs, Adepts, Disruptors and 9 range Lurkers to stagnate the meta into constant drop harass builds. You ever read his facebook post? He says Life didn't play an honorable game and if he had practiced he'd have beat Life. He didn't do the work, but he still wanted the credit. That's not what he said. He said the games looked so bad because life went for cheese strategies (meaning in macro games he would have looked better) and if he practiced really hard he could have maybe beaten life but beating inno afterwards would have been impossible.
yea that is way more accurate than what stuchiu thought have read
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On July 03 2016 07:46 jy_9876543210 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 07:34 Charoisaur wrote:On July 03 2016 05:22 stuchiu wrote:On July 03 2016 04:31 Clbull wrote:Can you really blame Lilbow for quitting StarCraft II? The game, the community and even the competitive scene have declined in recent years, and at this point certain aspects of them have become a joke. Let's go back to the infamous Blizzcon 2015 loss, shall we? In Lilbow's shoes, you had two options, you could either: - Practice Heart of the Swarm for the final premier tournament of the expansion's life cycle, which you have no chance whatsoever of winning, especially when the entire bracket is stacked with KeSPA Koreans and when you face Life in the very first round. Doing this will not benefit you at all during LotV beta tournaments or even in the game's release.
- Practice Legacy of the Void. The game is just coming out of closed beta at that point, and there are a number of beta cups and even upcoming premier tournaments that you can practice in advance for. Doing this would catch you up with the meta, and make you one of the more experienced foreign players coming into the next expansion.
Lilbow made the smart choice by not bothering with Blizzcon and was vilified by the community and even the Korean scene for his choice. It's just like when the people hated on Naniwa for forfeiting that series against Polt at IEM Katowice. He had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from facing off against Polt at that point, because he had a stacked Ro16 bracket of KeSPA and eSF Koreans to face off against, and the idiots at ESL thought it was a good idea to announce at the very last minute the most top-heavy prize pool in eSports existence by making the $100,000 pot 'winner takes all.' Then there's the metagame. SC2 has become boring and stale, especially since HotS and LotV. Each game playing out almost identically with the same unit compositions, map design and aggressive drop and harassment play. Back in WoL, you saw loads of new builds for all three races come into existence, even after the dreaded 1.4.3 Balance Update which made the Zerg economic early game overpowered. HotS had MMMM vs ling bling muta ultra in every single TvZ game, Stalker Colossus High Templar vs MMMM in every single TvP game, and Roach Hydra Viper vs deathball in every ZvP game, with no variation whatsoever, aside from the dreaded 3 hour Swarm Host games that nobody wants to talk about or acknowledge. And now in LotV, we have Siegeivacs, Adepts, Disruptors and 9 range Lurkers to stagnate the meta into constant drop harass builds. You ever read his facebook post? He says Life didn't play an honorable game and if he had practiced he'd have beat Life. He didn't do the work, but he still wanted the credit. That's not what he said. He said the games looked so bad because life went for cheese strategies (meaning in macro games he would have looked better) and if he practiced really hard he could have maybe beaten life but beating inno afterwards would have been impossible. yeah, he can definitely suggest that to blizzard and other map makers. make the map the way that no cheese is possible, and he would be happy. come on, his opening was exactly a lotv build at that time. nothing cheesy from life.
He went mass lings, he baneling busted, he 6-pooled. It was cheesy as fuck.
Granted it wouldn't have been hard to find out Life was gonna play like that.
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I hope he does well! Always saddens me when pro's switch and then don't make it into the scene. I have no clue about Overwatch whatsoever, is there already tournaments?
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Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him.
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What´s with french and drama ?? .....They go together like bread & butter
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On July 03 2016 01:21 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 00:55 Thax wrote:
Guess all that extra practice for LotV during Blizzcon didn't pan out.
Also, complaining about losing repeatedly while having just said he didn't practice is a wee bit mystifying. He didn't get any "extra" practice.... he just practiced the same amount as any other player. He would have practiced less if he was still playing Hots for Blizzcon, that's all. He has never seemed to enjoy himself much since Lotv came out
Not really surprising. It's a brutal way to learn a life lesson, but yeah if you've got an opportunity like that, you don't waste it, even if it's a long shot.
If I was him, I think I'd be switching games too.
He's a good guy though. Just made a bad mistake which I think took a toll on him thereafter.
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On July 03 2016 04:28 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On July 03 2016 03:51 Shield wrote:On July 03 2016 03:45 Noocta wrote:
I mean, he's not going to do anything serious in Overwatch, would be more fitting to say he's retiring to play games for fun. There were Sc2 players who switched to Dota and LoL as well. Has anyone been successful at all? We'll see, maybe Overwatch is different. HuK also seems interested in Overwatch? He was streaming it for a little bit. Babyknight switched back to Dota and while he hasn't been exactly successful he seems to be doing ok. Totally forgot Babyknight existed. That dude was pretty cool.
I think I heard Sjow is doing well in Hearthstone.
Also Elky went from pro Starcraft to one of the best poker players of his time. I think there were some other poker pros who got their start from Starcraft as well.
Hell, almost every Starcraft two player who did well in WoL got their start from SCBW or WC3 (or whatever that game HuK played was).
Admittedly, RTS to RTS is way easier than RTS to FPS
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