On July 03 2016 11:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: so...Blizzcon time but practice for LotV. LotV time but practice for OW. OW time and practice for OW2 or SC3?
On July 03 2016 09:00 1 2 1 2 wrote:
On July 03 2016 08:16 JonnySC2 wrote: Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him.
Funny part is Lilbow didnt even do poorly in his three games. His mistakes that cost him each game could easily have happened (and happens) in Code S games.
yes, repeating the same mistake every game against one of the most aggressive zerg players who's known for pulling fast ones on his opponents. And the same aggressive Zerg that pulled fast ones against Naniwa in a grand finals and shown that he will do so against foreigners. Definitely Code S level mistakes.
Game 1. Lilbow scouts Life opening gas and does not scout Life's Zerglings destroying rocks. This has happened in Code S games.
Game 2. Lilbow misreads a 13|12 opening as 14|14 and dies. This too has happened in Code S games.
Game 3. Lilbow playing against an unscouted 6 Pool tries to take his Nexus before adding 2nd and 3rd Gateway which turns out to put him slightly behind against Life's continued Zergling production then Lilbow goes for heavy Gateway aggresion which Life - being ahead and being aware of Lilbow's intentions - deflects. Who in their right mind is going to argue poorer decision making has not been shown in Code S games?
All in all, it seems to me that you have no idea about this and is just talking out of your ass. No offense.
There is a complete difference between build order losses/snipes as a one time instance in a box and getting fucked 3 times in a row without even trying. You might be astute and bring up that one code A series between soulkey and (solar?) Where soulkey won 3-0 with early pools, but context is everything.
On July 03 2016 11:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: so...Blizzcon time but practice for LotV. LotV time but practice for OW. OW time and practice for OW2 or SC3?
On July 03 2016 09:00 1 2 1 2 wrote:
On July 03 2016 08:16 JonnySC2 wrote: Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him.
Funny part is Lilbow didnt even do poorly in his three games. His mistakes that cost him each game could easily have happened (and happens) in Code S games.
yes, repeating the same mistake every game against one of the most aggressive zerg players who's known for pulling fast ones on his opponents. And the same aggressive Zerg that pulled fast ones against Naniwa in a grand finals and shown that he will do so against foreigners. Definitely Code S level mistakes.
Game 1. Lilbow scouts Life opening gas and does not scout Life's Zerglings destroying rocks. This has happened in Code S games.
Game 2. Lilbow misreads a 13|12 opening as 14|14 and dies. This too has happened in Code S games.
Game 3. Lilbow playing against an unscouted 6 Pool tries to take his Nexus before adding 2nd and 3rd Gateway which turns out to put him slightly behind against Life's continued Zergling production then Lilbow goes for heavy Gateway aggresion which Life - being ahead and being aware of Lilbow's intentions - deflects. Who in their right mind is going to argue poorer decision making has not been shown in Code S games?
All in all, it seems to me that you have no idea about this and you are just talking out of your ass. No offense.
On July 03 2016 11:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: so...Blizzcon time but practice for LotV. LotV time but practice for OW. OW time and practice for OW2 or SC3?
On July 03 2016 09:00 1 2 1 2 wrote:
On July 03 2016 08:16 JonnySC2 wrote: Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him.
Funny part is Lilbow didnt even do poorly in his three games. His mistakes that cost him each game could easily have happened (and happens) in Code S games.
yes, repeating the same mistake every game against one of the most aggressive zerg players who's known for pulling fast ones on his opponents. And the same aggressive Zerg that pulled fast ones against Naniwa in a grand finals and shown that he will do so against foreigners. Definitely Code S level mistakes.
Game 1. Lilbow scouts Life opening gas and does not scout Life's Zerglings destroying rocks. This has happened in Code S games.
Game 2. Lilbow misreads a 13|12 opening as 14|14 and dies. This too has happened in Code S games.
Game 3. Lilbow playing against an unscouted 6 Pool tries to take his Nexus before adding 2nd and 3rd Gateway which turns out to put him slightly behind against Life's continued Zergling production then Lilbow goes for heavy Gateway aggresion which Life - being ahead and being aware of Lilbow's intentions - deflects. Who in their right mind is going to argue poorer decision making has not been shown in Code S games?
All in all, it seems to me that you have no idea about this and is just talking out of your ass. No offense.
There is a complete difference between build order losses/snipes as a one time instance in a box and getting fucked 3 times in a row without even trying. You might be astute and bring up that one code A series between soulkey and (solar?) Where soulkey won 3-0 with early pools, but context is everything.
If for a moment you forget every explanation and every excuse Lilbow offered upon losing to explain himself or to protect his ego or however you want to look at it - if for a moment you forget any dislike you may feel for Lilbow that could be clouding your judgement - consider the facts.
Lilbow is to play against a formidable opponent who is not reluctant to be aggressive. Game 1 he scouts a gas opening which gives Life the option to be aggressive. At this point Lilbow has a lot of scenarios to account for. Im sure you realize how Fog of War works and Im sure you appreciate that against a perceived strong if not outright superior opponent Lilbow would be a fool to try not to cut corners (even against equal opponents you would be a fool to never cut corners). He happens to not account for the particular option Life opted for. Could Lilbow have made a Pylon to spot his Rocks being destroyed? Absolutely he could have. Would I if I had been his coach adviced him that this would have been a reasonable move in that particular scenario given the risk/reward? Yes, I would have. But making that Pylon would have had an opportunity cost.
Are you going to argue something similar has not happened in Code S games? (spoiler alert: it has)
Game 2. Lilbow simply misreads a Life's 13|12 opening.
Are you really going to argue something similar has not happened in Code S games? (spoiler alert: it happens frequently)
Game 3: I imagine you would fault Lilbow for not Probe scouting Life in this game. You would argue Life has a thing for being aggressive - particularly against players whom he considers inferior in skill to himself. Yes, I would agree - Life tended to be aggressive a lot (which backfired at times and would have backfired even more times had he played against world class players every game and not just occassionally). Still. Down two games, are you going to fault Lilbow for sticking to his comfort zone? Lilbow of all Protosses of the late HotS era favored not Probe-scouting in PvZ.
At the end of the day, you may disagree with which corners Lilbow chose to cut, but taking everything in account - especially given Lilbow's sound mechanical execution on the day - people like you are not being reasonable towards him.
Not that I like Lilbow myself or think he was a great player. He was never at any point as good as the best Protosses in HotS. But I guess it's triggering me to see people with no clue giving him shit he does not deserve.
I doubt switching from an RTS to a FPS will be easy. He might do decent at the start while nobody knows how to play the game properly and there are hardly any good players.
Well, many of you wonder, why is he not enjoying SC2 anymore. This game is 6 years old. I have got bored playing this game after year and half and pro gamers have to play many times more games than I did. I imagine that remaining players are in this game just for cash prizes, but definitely not for beauty of this game like it used to be.
Everyone who memes lilbow in this thread, what is your opinion on naniwa? If you dont meme soundproofing whenever his name is mentioned you are a bit hypocritical
On July 03 2016 11:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: so...Blizzcon time but practice for LotV. LotV time but practice for OW. OW time and practice for OW2 or SC3?
On July 03 2016 09:00 1 2 1 2 wrote:
On July 03 2016 08:16 JonnySC2 wrote: Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him.
Funny part is Lilbow didnt even do poorly in his three games. His mistakes that cost him each game could easily have happened (and happens) in Code S games.
yes, repeating the same mistake every game against one of the most aggressive zerg players who's known for pulling fast ones on his opponents. And the same aggressive Zerg that pulled fast ones against Naniwa in a grand finals and shown that he will do so against foreigners. Definitely Code S level mistakes.
Game 1. Lilbow scouts Life opening gas and does not scout Life's Zerglings destroying rocks. This has happened in Code S games.
Game 2. Lilbow misreads a 13|12 opening as 14|14 and dies. This too has happened in Code S games.
Game 3. Lilbow playing against an unscouted 6 Pool tries to take his Nexus before adding 2nd and 3rd Gateway which turns out to put him slightly behind against Life's continued Zergling production then Lilbow goes for heavy Gateway aggresion which Life - being ahead and being aware of Lilbow's intentions - deflects. Who in their right mind is going to argue poorer decision making has not been shown in Code S games?
All in all, it seems to me that you have no idea about this and is just talking out of your ass. No offense.
There is a complete difference between build order losses/snipes as a one time instance in a box and getting fucked 3 times in a row without even trying. You might be astute and bring up that one code A series between soulkey and (solar?) Where soulkey won 3-0 with early pools, but context is everything.
If for a moment you forget every explanation and every excuse Lilbow offered upon losing to explain himself or to protect his ego or however you want to look at it - if for a moment you forget any dislike you may feel for Lilbow that could be clouding your judgement - consider the facts.
Lilbow is to play against a formidable opponent who is not reluctant to be aggressive. Game 1 he scouts a gas opening which gives Life the option to be aggressive. At this point Lilbow has a lot of scenarios to account for. Im sure you realize how Fog of War works and Im sure you appreciate that against a perceived strong if not outright superior opponent Lilbow would be a fool to try not to cut corners (even against equal opponents you would be a fool to never cut corners). He happens to not account for the particular option Life opted for. Could Lilbow have made a Pylon to spot his Rocks being destroyed? Absolutely he could have. Would I if I had been his coach adviced him that this would have been a reasonable move in that particular scenario given the risk/reward? Yes, I would have. But making that Pylon would have had an opportunity cost.
Are you going to argue something similar has not happened in Code S games? (spoiler alert: it has)
Game 2. Lilbow simply misreads a Life's 13|12 opening.
Are you really going to argue something similar has not happened in Code S games? (spoiler alert: it happens frequently)
Game 3: I imagine you would fault Lilbow for not Probe scouting Life in this game. You would argue Life has a thing for being aggressive - particularly against players whom he considers inferior in skill to himself. Yes, I would agree - Life tended to be aggressive a lot (which backfired at times and would have backfired even more times had he played against world class players every game and not just occassionally). Still. Down two games, are you going to fault Lilbow for sticking to his comfort zone? Lilbow of all Protosses of the late HotS era favored not Probe-scouting in PvZ.
At the end of the day, you may disagree with which corners Lilbow chose to cut, but taking everything in account - especially given Lilbow's sound mechanical execution on the day - people like you are not being reasonable towards him.
Not that I like Lilbow myself or think he was a great player. He was never at any point as good as the best Protosses in HotS. But I guess it's triggering me to see people with no clue giving him shit he does not deserve.
It just shows a lack of preparation, especially the lack of a probe scout in the 3rd game. I'm a pleb compared to Lilbow, I don't play Starcraft for a living. But I watched enough of Life's games in the Kung Fu Cup going on a bit before Blizzcon to know he was going to cheese the living fuck out of Lilbow. Potentially every game if it works once.
On July 03 2016 08:16 JonnySC2 wrote: Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him.
Funny part is Lilbow didnt even do poorly in his three games. His mistakes that cost him each game could easily have happened (and happens) in Code S games.
Exactly! I never understood why people were hating so much on Lilbow for this.
If for a moment you forget every explanation and every excuse Lilbow offered upon losing to explain himself or to protect his ego or however you want to look at it - if for a moment you forget any dislike you may feel for Lilbow that could be clouding your judgement - consider the facts.
Don't bother analyzing games in a Starcraft forum. People just want to meme and follow the circlejerk while having no idea what they are talking about.
On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote: always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it.
From experience, every Americans thinks that about about half French people tho :p
Not only americans srsly the most french ppl i met where really arrogant. Im german so i may be biased haha
I am not sure what to say after reading ur autistic comment. Oh wait u are german.
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So, you can generalize ppl and do some country bashing without any problems and when someone respond you by demonstrating this silly way of thinking, you get ban, good job moderators of TL, even after the high defamation with rape accusations that you let occur on this website, you keep continuing to amaze me.
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