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xtorn
4067 Posts
i'm indeed trying to switch into overwatch as I have no more passion for starcraft 2 anymore, basically haven't played the game since 4 months except a tiny bit to prepare for dh tours which I lost 3-2 (again....) I don't wanna say too much, just thanks for you support and do not expect a come back for now as my overwatch experience is truely great ok gl hf and do not expect a come back no worries | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On July 03 2016 00:55 DMXD wrote: Can't really blame him. the starcraft community been on his nuts ever since the blizzcon incident. good luck I would kinda wish TL had some sort of anti-meme policy where you can't repeat the same tired joke about Lilbow every time he is the topic of conversation. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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outscar
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On July 03 2016 21:15 Grumbels wrote: I would kinda wish TL had some sort of anti-meme policy where you can't repeat the same tired joke about Lilbow every time he is the topic of conversation. why is it not ok to blame someone who wants to have fan support but doesnt train for the most important tournament? | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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SpaceJam
United States116 Posts
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FrostbitethundeR
Malaysia28 Posts
This is actually a really negative example taken by a player as it shows lack sportsmanship. Oh well... | ||
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fx9
117 Posts
On July 03 2016 18:14 JonnySC2 wrote: Exactly! I never understood why people were hating so much on Lilbow for this. There's no shame losing to Life and with cheese on top of that. If lilbow was more humble and said he lost to a better player, nobody will ever blame him, case close. But to say he lost because he never practice for blizzcon, he basically shows lack of respect. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On July 03 2016 14:22 1 2 1 2 wrote: If for a moment you forget every explanation and every excuse Lilbow offered upon losing to explain himself or to protect his ego or however you want to look at it - if for a moment you forget any dislike you may feel for Lilbow that could be clouding your judgement - consider the facts. Lilbow is to play against a formidable opponent who is not reluctant to be aggressive. Game 1 he scouts a gas opening which gives Life the option to be aggressive. At this point Lilbow has a lot of scenarios to account for. Im sure you realize how Fog of War works and Im sure you appreciate that against a perceived strong if not outright superior opponent Lilbow would be a fool to try not to cut corners (even against equal opponents you would be a fool to never cut corners). He happens to not account for the particular option Life opted for. Could Lilbow have made a Pylon to spot his Rocks being destroyed? Absolutely he could have. Would I if I had been his coach adviced him that this would have been a reasonable move in that particular scenario given the risk/reward? Yes, I would have. But making that Pylon would have had an opportunity cost. Are you going to argue something similar has not happened in Code S games? (spoiler alert: it has) Game 2. Lilbow simply misreads a Life's 13|12 opening. Are you really going to argue something similar has not happened in Code S games? (spoiler alert: it happens frequently) Game 3: I imagine you would fault Lilbow for not Probe scouting Life in this game. You would argue Life has a thing for being aggressive - particularly against players whom he considers inferior in skill to himself. Yes, I would agree - Life tended to be aggressive a lot (which backfired at times and would have backfired even more times had he played against world class players every game and not just occassionally). Still. Down two games, are you going to fault Lilbow for sticking to his comfort zone? Lilbow of all Protosses of the late HotS era favored not Probe-scouting in PvZ. At the end of the day, you may disagree with which corners Lilbow chose to cut, but taking everything in account - especially given Lilbow's sound mechanical execution on the day - people like you are not being reasonable towards him. Not that I like Lilbow myself or think he was a great player. He was never at any point as good as the best Protosses in HotS. But I guess it's triggering me to see people with no clue giving him shit he does not deserve. The answer is yes, I'm going to fault him for making that stupid mistake, because guess what a stupid mistake was made, and he's the one that made it. It doesn't mean he's a terrible player. In fact the reason this is being discussed here is quite the opposite. He was a very good player at that stage in the game, didn't prepare, lost 3 easy games and was made a fool of. If any Code S player loses in similar fashion, you don't call them terrible players, but you do say that they made mistakes and that those mistakes are their fault. If he wanted to be lazy AND try to win, then he could have at least played safe and tried to counter, or cheese the shift out of life. You don't play a coin flip macro game to win games you haven't prepared for against "superior" players. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 03 2016 20:24 stilt wrote: So, you can generalize ppl and do some country bashing without any problems and when someone respond you by demonstrating this silly way of thinking, you get ban, good job moderators of TL, even after the high defamation with rape accusations that you let occur on this website, you keep continuing to amaze me. There's a difference between calling someone arrogant and calling someone autist (illness). If you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry for you. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On July 03 2016 17:27 Luolis wrote: Everyone who memes lilbow in this thread, what is your opinion on naniwa? If you dont meme soundproofing whenever his name is mentioned you are a bit hypocritical Oh, I have even less respect for him! Don't worry. | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
On July 03 2016 23:52 Shield wrote: There's a difference between calling someone arrogant and calling someone autist (illness). If you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry for you. Both were thrown as generalities "all french are arrogants" is as silly as "all german are autists". None of these should have a place on these forums. | ||
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stilt
France2755 Posts
On July 03 2016 23:52 Shield wrote: There's a difference between calling someone arrogant and calling someone autist (illness). If you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry for you. There's difference between "someone" and "french people" or germans'one, you don't understand what a generalization is, modo don't understand it, I feel sorry for all of you too.  Moreover, adnap adopted the same posture in an extreme way just to prove how idiot it was but here again, this is beyond you. Don't know what you would think if after meeting a bulgar who would be a terrible guy, I was throwing statement like "Bulgars are ugly, arrogants, idiots" or stuff like this, I am pretty sure you would find this not very clever too but you didn't even consider the situation on this way I guess. But hey, you can accuse someone of raping just for a joke on this website so I guess saying "French ppl are arrogants LOL" is pretty much ok. edit: I was not a fan of Lilbow either, this guy has a shitty mentality. | ||
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Ja.Y.
United States253 Posts
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bypLy
757 Posts
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jeri
Germany335 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On July 03 2016 22:20 graNite wrote: why is it not ok to blame someone who wants to have fan support but doesnt train for the most important tournament? Do you really think it's okay to turn someone's career into a joke based on one stupid thing they did? Or to mention this joke every single time they are the topic of conversation? Lilbow is one of the most successful foreigners ever, with a long history in the game, but none of that matters because this one time he made a stupid judgment call. Lilbow is a perfect example of why progamers are advised to stop reading forums and stop interacting. There is scarcely any difference between laughing at this super hilarious meme that's only been repeated 500000 times and literal harassment. And it's not like Lilbow is particularly egregious in what he did. He just had the misfortune of becoming a meme. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
People who cannot let go at this point and move forward on to more productive rather than destructive behavior are hypocrites. It's like people thinking they're on the moral high ground saying "Stay classy!" when that's never a classy or productive thing to say. So go ahead and be assholes forever to a guy because of some mistakes he made but be aware that you're the ones in the gutter. And consider that if it only takes a few minor consistent imperfections, or a few mistakes, for you to hate a person forever, then you'll end up generating more hatred and negativity and destruction to the world than the targets of your punishment. It's an unreasonable way to behave that seems okay only because you've got a mob on your side. Think clearly for a second and stop being dicks. | ||
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