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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-03 12:06:44
July 03 2016 12:05 GMT
#141

i'm indeed trying to switch into overwatch as I have no more passion for starcraft 2 anymore, basically haven't played the game since 4 months except a tiny bit to prepare for dh tours which I lost 3-2 (again....) I don't wanna say too much, just thanks for you support and do not expect a come back for now as my overwatch experience is truely great

ok
gl hf

and do not expect a come back

no worries
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7028 Posts
July 03 2016 12:15 GMT
#142
On July 03 2016 00:55 DMXD wrote:
Can't really blame him.
the starcraft community been on his nuts ever since the blizzcon incident.
good luck

I would kinda wish TL had some sort of anti-meme policy where you can't repeat the same tired joke about Lilbow every time he is the topic of conversation.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
July 03 2016 12:16 GMT
#143
Oh my god this is too surreal
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-03 13:05:35
July 03 2016 13:03 GMT
#144
Come play BW Lilbow! BW is last expansion of StarCraft so you won't need to train for next ones and enjoy only it ^^
sunbeams are never made like me...
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-03 13:21:02
July 03 2016 13:20 GMT
#145
On July 03 2016 21:15 Grumbels wrote:
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On July 03 2016 00:55 DMXD wrote:
Can't really blame him.
the starcraft community been on his nuts ever since the blizzcon incident.
good luck

I would kinda wish TL had some sort of anti-meme policy where you can't repeat the same tired joke about Lilbow every time he is the topic of conversation.


why is it not ok to blame someone who wants to have fan support but doesnt train for the most important tournament?
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 03 2016 13:45 GMT
#146
I can't see him doing well in a team game tbh. Overwatch might just be "easy" enough mechanically that he could play some roles/heroes professionally though, in the end it's all practice anyway and if Lilbow is known for anything it's his meticulous training
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SpaceJam
Profile Joined August 2010
United States116 Posts
July 03 2016 13:58 GMT
#147
This player is tired of playing SC2, and now he is going to spend his leisurely time playing a different game that is not SC2.
spirit desire~
FrostbitethundeR
Profile Joined April 2015
Malaysia28 Posts
July 03 2016 14:19 GMT
#148
Wanted to train so bad for LOTV but ended up leaving to play another game (OW) ..like Wtf ..so sad .
This is actually a really negative example taken by a player as it shows lack sportsmanship.

Oh well...
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fx9
Profile Joined November 2013
117 Posts
July 03 2016 14:39 GMT
#149
On July 03 2016 18:14 JonnySC2 wrote:
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On July 03 2016 09:00 1 2 1 2 wrote:
On July 03 2016 08:16 JonnySC2 wrote:
Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him.

Funny part is Lilbow didnt even do poorly in his three games. His mistakes that cost him each game could easily have happened (and happens) in Code S games.


Exactly! I never understood why people were hating so much on Lilbow for this.


There's no shame losing to Life and with cheese on top of that.
If lilbow was more humble and said he lost to a better player, nobody will ever blame him, case close.

But to say he lost because he never practice for blizzcon, he basically shows lack of respect.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
July 03 2016 14:46 GMT
#150
I wish him all the best but I am not going to ever cheer for this guy.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
July 03 2016 14:51 GMT
#151
On July 03 2016 14:22 1 2 1 2 wrote:
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On July 03 2016 13:54 Cricketer12 wrote:
On July 03 2016 13:47 1 2 1 2 wrote:
On July 03 2016 11:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:
so...Blizzcon time but practice for LotV. LotV time but practice for OW. OW time and practice for OW2 or SC3?

On July 03 2016 09:00 1 2 1 2 wrote:
On July 03 2016 08:16 JonnySC2 wrote:
Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him.

Funny part is Lilbow didnt even do poorly in his three games. His mistakes that cost him each game could easily have happened (and happens) in Code S games.

yes, repeating the same mistake every game against one of the most aggressive zerg players who's known for pulling fast ones on his opponents. And the same aggressive Zerg that pulled fast ones against Naniwa in a grand finals and shown that he will do so against foreigners. Definitely Code S level mistakes.

Game 1. Lilbow scouts Life opening gas and does not scout Life's Zerglings destroying rocks. This has happened in Code S games.

Game 2. Lilbow misreads a 13|12 opening as 14|14 and dies. This too has happened in Code S games.

Game 3. Lilbow playing against an unscouted 6 Pool tries to take his Nexus before adding 2nd and 3rd Gateway which turns out to put him slightly behind against Life's continued Zergling production then Lilbow goes for heavy Gateway aggresion which Life - being ahead and being aware of Lilbow's intentions - deflects. Who in their right mind is going to argue poorer decision making has not been shown in Code S games?

All in all, it seems to me that you have no idea about this and is just talking out of your ass. No offense.

There is a complete difference between build order losses/snipes as a one time instance in a box and getting fucked 3 times in a row without even trying. You might be astute and bring up that one code A series between soulkey and (solar?) Where soulkey won 3-0 with early pools, but context is everything.

If for a moment you forget every explanation and every excuse Lilbow offered upon losing to explain himself or to protect his ego or however you want to look at it - if for a moment you forget any dislike you may feel for Lilbow that could be clouding your judgement - consider the facts.

Lilbow is to play against a formidable opponent who is not reluctant to be aggressive. Game 1 he scouts a gas opening which gives Life the option to be aggressive. At this point Lilbow has a lot of scenarios to account for. Im sure you realize how Fog of War works and Im sure you appreciate that against a perceived strong if not outright superior opponent Lilbow would be a fool to try not to cut corners (even against equal opponents you would be a fool to never cut corners). He happens to not account for the particular option Life opted for. Could Lilbow have made a Pylon to spot his Rocks being destroyed? Absolutely he could have. Would I if I had been his coach adviced him that this would have been a reasonable move in that particular scenario given the risk/reward? Yes, I would have. But making that Pylon would have had an opportunity cost.

Are you going to argue something similar has not happened in Code S games? (spoiler alert: it has)

Game 2. Lilbow simply misreads a Life's 13|12 opening.

Are you really going to argue something similar has not happened in Code S games? (spoiler alert: it happens frequently)

Game 3: I imagine you would fault Lilbow for not Probe scouting Life in this game. You would argue Life has a thing for being aggressive - particularly against players whom he considers inferior in skill to himself. Yes, I would agree - Life tended to be aggressive a lot (which backfired at times and would have backfired even more times had he played against world class players every game and not just occassionally). Still. Down two games, are you going to fault Lilbow for sticking to his comfort zone? Lilbow of all Protosses of the late HotS era favored not Probe-scouting in PvZ.

At the end of the day, you may disagree with which corners Lilbow chose to cut, but taking everything in account - especially given Lilbow's sound mechanical execution on the day - people like you are not being reasonable towards him.

Not that I like Lilbow myself or think he was a great player. He was never at any point as good as the best Protosses in HotS. But I guess it's triggering me to see people with no clue giving him shit he does not deserve.

The answer is yes, I'm going to fault him for making that stupid mistake, because guess what a stupid mistake was made, and he's the one that made it. It doesn't mean he's a terrible player. In fact the reason this is being discussed here is quite the opposite. He was a very good player at that stage in the game, didn't prepare, lost 3 easy games and was made a fool of. If any Code S player loses in similar fashion, you don't call them terrible players, but you do say that they made mistakes and that those mistakes are their fault.
If he wanted to be lazy AND try to win, then he could have at least played safe and tried to counter, or cheese the shift out of life. You don't play a coin flip macro game to win games you haven't prepared for against "superior" players.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-03 14:53:18
July 03 2016 14:52 GMT
#152
On July 03 2016 20:24 stilt wrote:
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On July 03 2016 06:56 adnap2 wrote:
On July 03 2016 05:50 Primelot wrote:
On July 03 2016 04:50 Noocta wrote:
On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote:
always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it.


From experience, every Americans thinks that about about half French people tho :p

Not only americans srsly the most french ppl i met where really arrogant. Im german so i may be biased haha


I am not sure what to say after reading ur autistic comment. Oh wait u are german.

User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.


So, you can generalize ppl and do some country bashing without any problems and when someone respond you by demonstrating this silly way of thinking, you get ban, good job moderators of TL, even after the high defamation with rape accusations that you let occur on this website, you keep continuing to amaze me.


There's a difference between calling someone arrogant and calling someone autist (illness). If you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry for you.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
July 03 2016 15:06 GMT
#153
On July 03 2016 17:27 Luolis wrote:
Everyone who memes lilbow in this thread, what is your opinion on naniwa? If you dont meme soundproofing whenever his name is mentioned you are a bit hypocritical

Oh, I have even less respect for him! Don't worry.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
July 03 2016 15:19 GMT
#154
On July 03 2016 23:52 Shield wrote:
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On July 03 2016 20:24 stilt wrote:
On July 03 2016 06:56 adnap2 wrote:
On July 03 2016 05:50 Primelot wrote:
On July 03 2016 04:50 Noocta wrote:
On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote:
always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it.


From experience, every Americans thinks that about about half French people tho :p

Not only americans srsly the most french ppl i met where really arrogant. Im german so i may be biased haha


I am not sure what to say after reading ur autistic comment. Oh wait u are german.

User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.


So, you can generalize ppl and do some country bashing without any problems and when someone respond you by demonstrating this silly way of thinking, you get ban, good job moderators of TL, even after the high defamation with rape accusations that you let occur on this website, you keep continuing to amaze me.


There's a difference between calling someone arrogant and calling someone autist (illness). If you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry for you.

Both were thrown as generalities "all french are arrogants" is as silly as "all german are autists". None of these should have a place on these forums.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2746 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-03 16:53:07
July 03 2016 16:36 GMT
#155
On July 03 2016 23:52 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2016 20:24 stilt wrote:
On July 03 2016 06:56 adnap2 wrote:
On July 03 2016 05:50 Primelot wrote:
On July 03 2016 04:50 Noocta wrote:
On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote:
always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it.


From experience, every Americans thinks that about about half French people tho :p

Not only americans srsly the most french ppl i met where really arrogant. Im german so i may be biased haha


I am not sure what to say after reading ur autistic comment. Oh wait u are german.

User was warned for this post

User was temp banned for this post.


So, you can generalize ppl and do some country bashing without any problems and when someone respond you by demonstrating this silly way of thinking, you get ban, good job moderators of TL, even after the high defamation with rape accusations that you let occur on this website, you keep continuing to amaze me.


There's a difference between calling someone arrogant and calling someone autist (illness). If you can't tell the difference, I'm sorry for you.


There's difference between "someone" and "french people" or germans'one, you don't understand what a generalization is, modo don't understand it, I feel sorry for all of you too.
Moreover, adnap adopted the same posture in an extreme way just to prove how idiot it was but here again, this is beyond you. Don't know what you would think if after meeting a bulgar who would be a terrible guy, I was throwing statement like "Bulgars are ugly, arrogants, idiots" or stuff like this, I am pretty sure you would find this not very clever too but you didn't even consider the situation on this way I guess.
But hey, you can accuse someone of raping just for a joke on this website so I guess saying "French ppl are arrogants LOL" is pretty much ok.

edit: I was not a fan of Lilbow either, this guy has a shitty mentality.
Ja.Y.
Profile Joined February 2015
United States253 Posts
July 03 2016 16:38 GMT
#156
Never really been a fan of Lilbow. I respect his decision making and the gut feeling that he had in HotS to blink Stalker all in at the perfect time. Best of luck!
MMA will reign supreme once again // MaSa is gawd
bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
July 03 2016 16:42 GMT
#157
he wasnt a great sportsman, his attitude is just unacceptable, dont think the sc scene will be sad about him leaving
jeri
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany335 Posts
July 03 2016 17:18 GMT
#158
lolmao
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7028 Posts
July 03 2016 17:55 GMT
#159
On July 03 2016 22:20 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2016 21:15 Grumbels wrote:
On July 03 2016 00:55 DMXD wrote:
Can't really blame him.
the starcraft community been on his nuts ever since the blizzcon incident.
good luck

I would kinda wish TL had some sort of anti-meme policy where you can't repeat the same tired joke about Lilbow every time he is the topic of conversation.


why is it not ok to blame someone who wants to have fan support but doesnt train for the most important tournament?

Do you really think it's okay to turn someone's career into a joke based on one stupid thing they did? Or to mention this joke every single time they are the topic of conversation? Lilbow is one of the most successful foreigners ever, with a long history in the game, but none of that matters because this one time he made a stupid judgment call.

Lilbow is a perfect example of why progamers are advised to stop reading forums and stop interacting. There is scarcely any difference between laughing at this super hilarious meme that's only been repeated 500000 times and literal harassment.

And it's not like Lilbow is particularly egregious in what he did. He just had the misfortune of becoming a meme.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-03 18:00:58
July 03 2016 17:59 GMT
#160
Wow. After Lilbow's statement about his preparation for Blizzcon, he received a lot of disapproval and criticism, including from me. But once a person has made a mistake and been censured for it, it is primitive to continuously relate that mistake to every single thing the person does. Is it surprising that he'd benefit from a new scene when a significant portion of this community hates him despite all the great performances he gave? And for those still beating down on him: isn't losing his passion for SC2 already punishment enough? It's clear that he's had a miserable 2016. How much suffering do you have to observe him go through before you can forgive him for when he chose to transition to LotV and his departures from your etiquette? The hatred doesn't fit the transgressions. When you consider his positive contributions, the scale becomes even more unbalanced.

People who cannot let go at this point and move forward on to more productive rather than destructive behavior are hypocrites. It's like people thinking they're on the moral high ground saying "Stay classy!" when that's never a classy or productive thing to say. So go ahead and be assholes forever to a guy because of some mistakes he made but be aware that you're the ones in the gutter. And consider that if it only takes a few minor consistent imperfections, or a few mistakes, for you to hate a person forever, then you'll end up generating more hatred and negativity and destruction to the world than the targets of your punishment. It's an unreasonable way to behave that seems okay only because you've got a mob on your side. Think clearly for a second and stop being dicks.
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