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On July 03 2016 08:16 JonnySC2 wrote:
Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him.
Funny part is Lilbow didnt even do poorly in his three games. His mistakes that cost him each game could easily have happened (and happens) in Code S games.
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On July 03 2016 04:59 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:52 Bagration wrote:On July 03 2016 04:31 Clbull wrote:Can you really blame Lilbow for quitting StarCraft II? The game, the community and even the competitive scene have declined in recent years, and at this point certain aspects of them have become a joke. Let's go back to the infamous Blizzcon 2015 loss, shall we? In Lilbow's shoes, you had two options, you could either: - Practice Heart of the Swarm for the final premier tournament of the expansion's life cycle, which you have no chance whatsoever of winning, especially when the entire bracket is stacked with KeSPA Koreans and when you face Life in the very first round. Doing this will not benefit you at all during LotV beta tournaments or even in the game's release.
- Practice Legacy of the Void. The game is just coming out of closed beta at that point, and there are a number of beta cups and even upcoming premier tournaments that you can practice in advance for. Doing this would catch you up with the meta, and make you one of the more experienced foreign players coming into the next expansion.
Lilbow made the smart choice by not bothering with Blizzcon and was vilified by the community and even the Korean scene for his choice. It's just like when the people hated on Naniwa for forfeiting that series against Polt at IEM Katowice. He had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from facing off against Polt at that point, because he had a stacked Ro16 bracket of KeSPA and eSF Koreans to face off against, and the idiots at ESL thought it was a good idea to announce at the very last minute the most top-heavy prize pool in eSports existence by making the $100,000 pot 'winner takes all.' Then there's the metagame. SC2 has become boring and stale, especially since HotS and LotV. Each game playing out almost identically with the same unit compositions, map design and aggressive drop and harassment play. Back in WoL, you saw loads of new builds for all three races come into existence, even after the dreaded 1.4.3 Balance Update which made the Zerg economic early game overpowered. HotS had MMMM vs ling bling muta ultra in every single TvZ game, Stalker Colossus High Templar vs MMMM in every single TvP game, and Roach Hydra Viper vs deathball in every ZvP game, with no variation whatsoever, aside from the dreaded 3 hour Swarm Host games that nobody wants to talk about or acknowledge. And now in LotV, we have Siegeivacs, Adepts, Disruptors and 9 range Lurkers to stagnate the meta into constant drop harass builds. Because it was Blizzcon - the biggest tournament of the year, and a lot of people anointed him (fairly or unfairly) as the foreign hope. Unfortunately, he was seen as responsible for representing all of the foreign scene, and even though it was an unrealistic expectation, when he revealed that he hadn't been practicing, it was seen as a slap in the face and deepened the stereotype that the foreign scene was lazy and the beneficiaries of "welfare Blizzcon spots". TL;DR: Context matters Still it was the smart choice from his perspective.
It was not. Betas have proven before to be false friends. It was predictable that blizzard would make multiple changes the first view months and the meta would shift. We saw many players being good at the start of LotV and then falling off the radar again.
It's like TLO said at blizzcon: you have to take the opportunity when it's there or it may be the last one forever. Lilbow proved that to be true.
Lilbows choice wasn't smart - it was illusional. To make a good showing at blizzcon and catching up in LotV afterwards would have been possible and much much wiser.
And then there is always that statement he did at his WCS win: "I want to win blizzcon as well"
Nonetheless as stated before: I respect him and wish him all luck he can get in Overwatch.
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GG no re, will never forget the Life vs. Lilbow mayhem. hopefully he remembers his cooldowns...
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"Wanted to focus more on LotV, training for last tournament of HotS isn't important"
lul
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On July 03 2016 08:58 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:28 Cricketer12 wrote:On July 03 2016 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On July 03 2016 03:51 Shield wrote:On July 03 2016 03:45 Noocta wrote:
I mean, he's not going to do anything serious in Overwatch, would be more fitting to say he's retiring to play games for fun. There were Sc2 players who switched to Dota and LoL as well. Has anyone been successful at all? We'll see, maybe Overwatch is different. HuK also seems interested in Overwatch? He was streaming it for a little bit. Babyknight switched back to Dota and while he hasn't been exactly successful he seems to be doing ok. Totally forgot Babyknight existed. That dude was pretty cool. I think I heard Sjow is doing well in Hearthstone. Also Elky went from pro Starcraft to one of the best poker players of his time. I think there were some other poker pros who got their start from Starcraft as well. Hell, almost every Starcraft two player who did well in WoL got their start from SCBW or WC3 (or whatever that game HuK played was). Admittedly, RTS to RTS is way easier than RTS to FPS
Sjow still hasnt won a premier, but his anyfin deck is one of my favorites.
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Sad times. No more jokes when he bombs out.
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On July 03 2016 08:58 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:28 Cricketer12 wrote:On July 03 2016 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On July 03 2016 03:51 Shield wrote:On July 03 2016 03:45 Noocta wrote:
I mean, he's not going to do anything serious in Overwatch, would be more fitting to say he's retiring to play games for fun. There were Sc2 players who switched to Dota and LoL as well. Has anyone been successful at all? We'll see, maybe Overwatch is different. HuK also seems interested in Overwatch? He was streaming it for a little bit. Babyknight switched back to Dota and while he hasn't been exactly successful he seems to be doing ok. Totally forgot Babyknight existed. That dude was pretty cool. I think I heard Sjow is doing well in Hearthstone. Also Elky went from pro Starcraft to one of the best poker players of his time. I think there were some other poker pros who got their start from Starcraft as well. Hell, almost every Starcraft two player who did well in WoL got their start from SCBW or WC3 (or whatever that game HuK played was). Admittedly, RTS to RTS is way easier than RTS to FPS
I think Elige from Team Liquids CS team also played sc2 before (not sure, but i think so).
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Makes sense. Overwatch is practically SC2 with different graphics.
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On July 03 2016 11:09 BisuDagger wrote:
Makes sense. Overwatch is practically SC2 with different graphics.
Not sure if insult to SC2 or OW
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On July 03 2016 00:40 y0su wrote:
He's practicing for OW2.
LOL, this made my day. Thank you
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Turns out he was practicing the OW Alpha instead of LOTV, no wonder he's done so poorly.
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On July 03 2016 08:58 TheDougler wrote:
Admittedly, RTS to RTS is way easier than RTS to FPS
not that OW requires any aim skill
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so...Blizzcon time but practice for LotV. LotV time but practice for OW. OW time and practice for OW2 or SC3?
On July 03 2016 09:00 1 2 1 2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 08:16 JonnySC2 wrote:
Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him. Funny part is Lilbow didnt even do poorly in his three games. His mistakes that cost him each game could easily have happened (and happens) in Code S games.
yes, repeating the same mistake every game against one of the most aggressive zerg players who's known for pulling fast ones on his opponents. And the same aggressive Zerg that pulled fast ones against Naniwa in a grand finals and shown that he will do so against foreigners. Definitely Code S level mistakes.
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Totally understandable, if I fluked and won something in SC2 I better quickly quit because I know it won't happen again. SC2 hard game man, better leave it to the Koreans, scrubs should take the chance and get out ASAP. Time to practice for the release of Overwatch 2 :D
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I didn't even know there was Overwatch esports. It's hardly a spectator game.
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LOL
Gets me every time *name* switches to Overwatch. So.... you're going to be playing a recreational game for the next few months? Cool story bro.
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On July 03 2016 11:36 miniskirt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 08:58 TheDougler wrote:
Admittedly, RTS to RTS is way easier than RTS to FPS not that OW requires any aim skill
coming from a highly ranked fps player that sucks at rts but enjoys both - ow seems a bit like an fps for people who don't like fps games
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This shows how volatile esports is, one moment you are on top of the world, one mistake & you're down out.
Hopefully lilbow starts practicing sc3 & makes a comeback in 2026.
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On July 03 2016 11:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:so...Blizzcon time but practice for LotV. LotV time but practice for OW. OW time and practice for OW2 or SC3? Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 09:00 1 2 1 2 wrote:On July 03 2016 08:16 JonnySC2 wrote:
Regardless of what happened at Blizzcon Lilbow was easily one of the best foreigners in the last two years and it's a shame that our scene yet again loses a talented player like him. Funny part is Lilbow didnt even do poorly in his three games. His mistakes that cost him each game could easily have happened (and happens) in Code S games. yes, repeating the same mistake every game against one of the most aggressive zerg players who's known for pulling fast ones on his opponents. And the same aggressive Zerg that pulled fast ones against Naniwa in a grand finals and shown that he will do so against foreigners. Definitely Code S level mistakes.
Game 1. Lilbow scouts Life opening gas and does not scout Life's Zerglings destroying rocks. This has happened in Code S games.
Game 2. Lilbow misreads a 13|12 opening as 14|14 and dies. This too has happened in Code S games.
Game 3. Lilbow playing against an unscouted 6 Pool tries to take his Nexus before adding 2nd and 3rd Gateway which turns out to put him slightly behind against Life's continued Zergling production then Lilbow goes for heavy Gateway aggresion which Life - being ahead and being aware of Lilbow's intentions - deflects. Who in their right mind is going to argue poorer decision making has not been shown in Code S games?
All in all, it seems to me that you have no idea about this and you are just talking out of your ass. No offense.
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