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Can you really blame Lilbow for quitting StarCraft II? The game, the community and even the competitive scene have declined in recent years, and at this point certain aspects of them have become a joke.
Let's go back to the infamous Blizzcon 2015 loss, shall we?
In Lilbow's shoes, you had two options, you could either:
- Practice Heart of the Swarm for the final premier tournament of the expansion's life cycle, which you have no chance whatsoever of winning, especially when the entire bracket is stacked with KeSPA Koreans and when you face Life in the very first round. Doing this will not benefit you at all during LotV beta tournaments or even in the game's release.
- Practice Legacy of the Void. The game is just coming out of closed beta at that point, and there are a number of beta cups and even upcoming premier tournaments that you can practice in advance for. Doing this would catch you up with the meta, and make you one of the more experienced foreign players coming into the next expansion.
Lilbow made the smart choice by not bothering with Blizzcon and was vilified by the community and even the Korean scene for his choice.
It's just like when the people hated on Naniwa for forfeiting that series against Polt at IEM Katowice. He had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from facing off against Polt at that point, because he had a stacked Ro16 bracket of KeSPA and eSF Koreans to face off against, and the idiots at ESL thought it was a good idea to announce at the very last minute the most top-heavy prize pool in eSports existence by making the $100,000 pot 'winner takes all.'
Then there's the metagame. SC2 has become boring and stale, especially since HotS and LotV. Each game playing out almost identically with the same unit compositions, map design and aggressive drop and harassment play. Back in WoL, you saw loads of new builds for all three races come into existence, even after the dreaded 1.4.3 Balance Update which made the Zerg economic early game overpowered.
HotS had MMMM vs ling bling muta ultra in every single TvZ game, Stalker Colossus High Templar vs MMMM in every single TvP game, and Roach Hydra Viper vs deathball in every ZvP game, with no variation whatsoever, aside from the dreaded 3 hour Swarm Host games that nobody wants to talk about or acknowledge.
And now in LotV, we have Siegeivacs, Adepts, Disruptors and 9 range Lurkers to stagnate the meta into constant drop harass builds.
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always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it.
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Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
On July 03 2016 00:40 y0su wrote:
He's practicing for OW2.
lol, every single time, there's always this kind of comment 
GL in OW Lilbow.
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Maybe he switched because he saw his id once.
lilbow.
lilbow.
lilbOW!
OW!
I want to play OW!
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On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote:
always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it.
From experience, every Americans thinks that about about half French people tho :p
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On July 03 2016 04:31 Clbull wrote:Can you really blame Lilbow for quitting StarCraft II? The game, the community and even the competitive scene have declined in recent years, and at this point certain aspects of them have become a joke. Let's go back to the infamous Blizzcon 2015 loss, shall we? In Lilbow's shoes, you had two options, you could either: - Practice Heart of the Swarm for the final premier tournament of the expansion's life cycle, which you have no chance whatsoever of winning, especially when the entire bracket is stacked with KeSPA Koreans and when you face Life in the very first round. Doing this will not benefit you at all during LotV beta tournaments or even in the game's release.
- Practice Legacy of the Void. The game is just coming out of closed beta at that point, and there are a number of beta cups and even upcoming premier tournaments that you can practice in advance for. Doing this would catch you up with the meta, and make you one of the more experienced foreign players coming into the next expansion.
Lilbow made the smart choice by not bothering with Blizzcon and was vilified by the community and even the Korean scene for his choice. It's just like when the people hated on Naniwa for forfeiting that series against Polt at IEM Katowice. He had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from facing off against Polt at that point, because he had a stacked Ro16 bracket of KeSPA and eSF Koreans to face off against, and the idiots at ESL thought it was a good idea to announce at the very last minute the most top-heavy prize pool in eSports existence by making the $100,000 pot 'winner takes all.' Then there's the metagame. SC2 has become boring and stale, especially since HotS and LotV. Each game playing out almost identically with the same unit compositions, map design and aggressive drop and harassment play. Back in WoL, you saw loads of new builds for all three races come into existence, even after the dreaded 1.4.3 Balance Update which made the Zerg economic early game overpowered. HotS had MMMM vs ling bling muta ultra in every single TvZ game, Stalker Colossus High Templar vs MMMM in every single TvP game, and Roach Hydra Viper vs deathball in every ZvP game, with no variation whatsoever, aside from the dreaded 3 hour Swarm Host games that nobody wants to talk about or acknowledge. And now in LotV, we have Siegeivacs, Adepts, Disruptors and 9 range Lurkers to stagnate the meta into constant drop harass builds.
Because it was Blizzcon - the biggest tournament of the year, and a lot of people anointed him (fairly or unfairly) as the foreign hope. Unfortunately, he was seen as responsible for representing all of the foreign scene, and even though it was an unrealistic expectation, when he revealed that he hadn't been practicing, it was seen as a slap in the face and deepened the stereotype that the foreign scene was lazy and the beneficiaries of "welfare Blizzcon spots".
TL;DR: Context matters
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On July 03 2016 04:50 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote:
always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it. From experience, every Americans thinks that about about half French people tho :p
Who can blame them
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On July 03 2016 04:50 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote:
always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it. From experience, every Americans thinks that about about half French people tho :p
Not just Americans :D
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It might have been ok if that lotv practice wasn't a complete and utter waste.
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On July 03 2016 04:52 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:31 Clbull wrote:Can you really blame Lilbow for quitting StarCraft II? The game, the community and even the competitive scene have declined in recent years, and at this point certain aspects of them have become a joke. Let's go back to the infamous Blizzcon 2015 loss, shall we? In Lilbow's shoes, you had two options, you could either: - Practice Heart of the Swarm for the final premier tournament of the expansion's life cycle, which you have no chance whatsoever of winning, especially when the entire bracket is stacked with KeSPA Koreans and when you face Life in the very first round. Doing this will not benefit you at all during LotV beta tournaments or even in the game's release.
- Practice Legacy of the Void. The game is just coming out of closed beta at that point, and there are a number of beta cups and even upcoming premier tournaments that you can practice in advance for. Doing this would catch you up with the meta, and make you one of the more experienced foreign players coming into the next expansion.
Lilbow made the smart choice by not bothering with Blizzcon and was vilified by the community and even the Korean scene for his choice. It's just like when the people hated on Naniwa for forfeiting that series against Polt at IEM Katowice. He had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from facing off against Polt at that point, because he had a stacked Ro16 bracket of KeSPA and eSF Koreans to face off against, and the idiots at ESL thought it was a good idea to announce at the very last minute the most top-heavy prize pool in eSports existence by making the $100,000 pot 'winner takes all.' Then there's the metagame. SC2 has become boring and stale, especially since HotS and LotV. Each game playing out almost identically with the same unit compositions, map design and aggressive drop and harassment play. Back in WoL, you saw loads of new builds for all three races come into existence, even after the dreaded 1.4.3 Balance Update which made the Zerg economic early game overpowered. HotS had MMMM vs ling bling muta ultra in every single TvZ game, Stalker Colossus High Templar vs MMMM in every single TvP game, and Roach Hydra Viper vs deathball in every ZvP game, with no variation whatsoever, aside from the dreaded 3 hour Swarm Host games that nobody wants to talk about or acknowledge. And now in LotV, we have Siegeivacs, Adepts, Disruptors and 9 range Lurkers to stagnate the meta into constant drop harass builds. Because it was Blizzcon - the biggest tournament of the year, and a lot of people anointed him (fairly or unfairly) as the foreign hope. Unfortunately, he was seen as responsible for representing all of the foreign scene, and even though it was an unrealistic expectation, when he revealed that he hadn't been practicing, it was seen as a slap in the face and deepened the stereotype that the foreign scene was lazy and the beneficiaries of "welfare Blizzcon spots". TL;DR: Context matters
Still it was the smart choice from his perspective.
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On July 03 2016 04:28 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:00 Ej_ wrote:On July 03 2016 03:51 Shield wrote:On July 03 2016 03:45 Noocta wrote:
I mean, he's not going to do anything serious in Overwatch, would be more fitting to say he's retiring to play games for fun. There were Sc2 players who switched to Dota and LoL as well. Has anyone been successful at all? We'll see, maybe Overwatch is different. HuK also seems interested in Overwatch? He was streaming it for a little bit. Babyknight switched back to Dota and while he hasn't been exactly successful he seems to be doing ok. Totally forgot Babyknight existed. That dude was pretty cool.
BBK had his moment when he beat Rain offline on Cloud Kingdom with nicely executed Blink pressure.
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On July 03 2016 04:34 Riner1212 wrote:
always thought he was a big arrogant. his body language tells it.
To each their own. I'd prefer someone who speaks their mind any day over someone who tries to please people.
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On July 03 2016 04:59 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:52 Bagration wrote:On July 03 2016 04:31 Clbull wrote:Can you really blame Lilbow for quitting StarCraft II? The game, the community and even the competitive scene have declined in recent years, and at this point certain aspects of them have become a joke. Let's go back to the infamous Blizzcon 2015 loss, shall we? In Lilbow's shoes, you had two options, you could either: - Practice Heart of the Swarm for the final premier tournament of the expansion's life cycle, which you have no chance whatsoever of winning, especially when the entire bracket is stacked with KeSPA Koreans and when you face Life in the very first round. Doing this will not benefit you at all during LotV beta tournaments or even in the game's release.
- Practice Legacy of the Void. The game is just coming out of closed beta at that point, and there are a number of beta cups and even upcoming premier tournaments that you can practice in advance for. Doing this would catch you up with the meta, and make you one of the more experienced foreign players coming into the next expansion.
Lilbow made the smart choice by not bothering with Blizzcon and was vilified by the community and even the Korean scene for his choice. It's just like when the people hated on Naniwa for forfeiting that series against Polt at IEM Katowice. He had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from facing off against Polt at that point, because he had a stacked Ro16 bracket of KeSPA and eSF Koreans to face off against, and the idiots at ESL thought it was a good idea to announce at the very last minute the most top-heavy prize pool in eSports existence by making the $100,000 pot 'winner takes all.' Then there's the metagame. SC2 has become boring and stale, especially since HotS and LotV. Each game playing out almost identically with the same unit compositions, map design and aggressive drop and harassment play. Back in WoL, you saw loads of new builds for all three races come into existence, even after the dreaded 1.4.3 Balance Update which made the Zerg economic early game overpowered. HotS had MMMM vs ling bling muta ultra in every single TvZ game, Stalker Colossus High Templar vs MMMM in every single TvP game, and Roach Hydra Viper vs deathball in every ZvP game, with no variation whatsoever, aside from the dreaded 3 hour Swarm Host games that nobody wants to talk about or acknowledge. And now in LotV, we have Siegeivacs, Adepts, Disruptors and 9 range Lurkers to stagnate the meta into constant drop harass builds. Because it was Blizzcon - the biggest tournament of the year, and a lot of people anointed him (fairly or unfairly) as the foreign hope. Unfortunately, he was seen as responsible for representing all of the foreign scene, and even though it was an unrealistic expectation, when he revealed that he hadn't been practicing, it was seen as a slap in the face and deepened the stereotype that the foreign scene was lazy and the beneficiaries of "welfare Blizzcon spots". TL;DR: Context matters Still it was the smart choice from his perspective.
At the time. In hindsight it's not like it paid off much. He didn't produce any results he couldn't have gotten without his Blizzcon quasi-forfeit.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 03 2016 04:04 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 03:51 Shield wrote:On July 03 2016 03:45 Noocta wrote:
I mean, he's not going to do anything serious in Overwatch, would be more fitting to say he's retiring to play games for fun. There were Sc2 players who switched to Dota and LoL as well. Has anyone been successful at all? We'll see, maybe Overwatch is different. HuK also seems interested in Overwatch? He was streaming it for a little bit. As far as I know, the only example of a pro from one game going to also a pro level in another one is Lucifron and Vortix from Strcraft to Heroes of the Storm. Every other example is just going from Pro to Amateur / Enthousiast level.
duckdeok and Sniper
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 03 2016 04:31 Clbull wrote:Can you really blame Lilbow for quitting StarCraft II? The game, the community and even the competitive scene have declined in recent years, and at this point certain aspects of them have become a joke. Let's go back to the infamous Blizzcon 2015 loss, shall we? In Lilbow's shoes, you had two options, you could either: - Practice Heart of the Swarm for the final premier tournament of the expansion's life cycle, which you have no chance whatsoever of winning, especially when the entire bracket is stacked with KeSPA Koreans and when you face Life in the very first round. Doing this will not benefit you at all during LotV beta tournaments or even in the game's release.
- Practice Legacy of the Void. The game is just coming out of closed beta at that point, and there are a number of beta cups and even upcoming premier tournaments that you can practice in advance for. Doing this would catch you up with the meta, and make you one of the more experienced foreign players coming into the next expansion.
Lilbow made the smart choice by not bothering with Blizzcon and was vilified by the community and even the Korean scene for his choice. It's just like when the people hated on Naniwa for forfeiting that series against Polt at IEM Katowice. He had nothing to lose and nothing to gain from facing off against Polt at that point, because he had a stacked Ro16 bracket of KeSPA and eSF Koreans to face off against, and the idiots at ESL thought it was a good idea to announce at the very last minute the most top-heavy prize pool in eSports existence by making the $100,000 pot 'winner takes all.' Then there's the metagame. SC2 has become boring and stale, especially since HotS and LotV. Each game playing out almost identically with the same unit compositions, map design and aggressive drop and harassment play. Back in WoL, you saw loads of new builds for all three races come into existence, even after the dreaded 1.4.3 Balance Update which made the Zerg economic early game overpowered. HotS had MMMM vs ling bling muta ultra in every single TvZ game, Stalker Colossus High Templar vs MMMM in every single TvP game, and Roach Hydra Viper vs deathball in every ZvP game, with no variation whatsoever, aside from the dreaded 3 hour Swarm Host games that nobody wants to talk about or acknowledge. And now in LotV, we have Siegeivacs, Adepts, Disruptors and 9 range Lurkers to stagnate the meta into constant drop harass builds.
You ever read his facebook post?
He says Life didn't play an honorable game and if he had practiced he'd have beat Life.
He didn't do the work, but he still wanted the credit.
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On July 03 2016 04:04 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 03:51 Shield wrote:On July 03 2016 03:45 Noocta wrote:
I mean, he's not going to do anything serious in Overwatch, would be more fitting to say he's retiring to play games for fun. There were Sc2 players who switched to Dota and LoL as well. Has anyone been successful at all? We'll see, maybe Overwatch is different. HuK also seems interested in Overwatch? He was streaming it for a little bit. As far as I know, the only example of a pro from one game going to also a pro level in another one is Lucifron and Vortix from Strcraft to Heroes of the Storm. Every other example is just going from Pro to Amateur / Enthousiast level.
duckdeok just won something in Heroes too I think?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On July 03 2016 05:22 [16thSq] Kuro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:04 Noocta wrote:On July 03 2016 03:51 Shield wrote:On July 03 2016 03:45 Noocta wrote:
I mean, he's not going to do anything serious in Overwatch, would be more fitting to say he's retiring to play games for fun. There were Sc2 players who switched to Dota and LoL as well. Has anyone been successful at all? We'll see, maybe Overwatch is different. HuK also seems interested in Overwatch? He was streaming it for a little bit. As far as I know, the only example of a pro from one game going to also a pro level in another one is Lucifron and Vortix from Strcraft to Heroes of the Storm. Every other example is just going from Pro to Amateur / Enthousiast level. duckdeok just won something in Heroes too I think?
elige was a SC2 player on ROOT academy and is now on the best NA CS:GO team.
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The decision itself is fine with me. It's why I didn't care that much about what Naniwa did.
The excuses and justifications afterwards were what annoyed me.
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On July 03 2016 05:20 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2016 04:04 Noocta wrote:On July 03 2016 03:51 Shield wrote:On July 03 2016 03:45 Noocta wrote:
I mean, he's not going to do anything serious in Overwatch, would be more fitting to say he's retiring to play games for fun. There were Sc2 players who switched to Dota and LoL as well. Has anyone been successful at all? We'll see, maybe Overwatch is different. HuK also seems interested in Overwatch? He was streaming it for a little bit. As far as I know, the only example of a pro from one game going to also a pro level in another one is Lucifron and Vortix from Strcraft to Heroes of the Storm. Every other example is just going from Pro to Amateur / Enthousiast level. duckdeok and Sniper
sC, CrazyMoving, Noblesse, BabyKnight
do we count Hearthstone as esports? because that means a lot more too. And then there's people switching between different MOBAs
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Guess he's gonna start practicing for Blizzcon Overwatch?
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