• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:09
CEST 09:09
KST 16:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting10[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou17Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four2BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET7Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO85.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)81
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) Weekly Cups (Oct 13-19): Clem Goes for Four Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Weekly Cups (March 17-23): Clem Bounces Back
Tourneys
Tenacious Turtle Tussle RSL Season 3 Qualifier Links and Dates $1,200 WardiTV October (Oct 21st-31st) SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 INu's Battles #13 - ByuN vs Zoun
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers
Brood War
General
SnOw's Awful Building Placements vs barracks BSL Team A vs Koreans - Sat-Sun 16:00 CET Is there anyway to get a private coach? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 300$ 3D!Community Brood War Super Cup #4 [ASL20] Semifinal B Azhi's Colosseum - Anonymous Tournament
Strategy
Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Roaring Currents ASL final [I] Funny Protoss Builds/Strategies
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Chess Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Sabrina was soooo lame on S…
Peanutsc
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Certified Crazy
Hildegard
Rocket League: Traits, Abili…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1391 users

Lilbow to switch from StarCraft 2 to Overwatch - Page 12

Forum Index > SC2 General
236 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 All
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-05 22:54:38
July 05 2016 22:51 GMT
#221
I feel less bad for losing to him in a WoL clanwar after seeing his success in both HotS and LotV (he had a good resurgence during/after Nation Wars no matter what some people seem to think on this thread :o).

I'm also glad he didn't waste too much time practicing for a match against a match fixer, being 3-0ed out of a tournament by a -albeit top performer- cheater isn't a worse offense for this game than what his tormentor did. His emotional response to this match, even if it wasn't very classy, shows that he actually cared.

Thank you for what you brought to France and other foreign countries in Starcraft 2, and for all the training you put in order to achieve that, and for showing us exciting, agressive and intense games, be it in losing or winning.
Hopefully you'll find success in Overwatch even though it's a team FPS game.
WriterMaru
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-06 08:02:27
July 06 2016 07:20 GMT
#222
I always tell my friends to visit TL because people here are more grown up than in many other forums. This is a poor example though and I really think people should calm down and rather say nothing than posting insults and the same "jokes" over and over again.

I don't follow the scene as much as I did a few years ago and I didn't catch 100% of the drama, but I remember times where the whole community was excited when foreigners showed good results and tried to compete at the top. Despite not agreeing with every decision made we could still respect people who made it far. You have to give up a lot to make it to this point and switching can only make things better for him now I guess.
GL HF in Overwatch
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-06 08:02:11
July 06 2016 08:01 GMT
#223
sry. double post
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary485 Posts
July 06 2016 10:12 GMT
#224
On July 06 2016 02:07 Shield wrote:
Brain alert, I'm not a fanboy of Lilbow at all. I barely know him how he plays. It's the attitude of Blizzard which I criticise.


Look, maybe blizzard had bad moves. I admit that. But you can't blame Blizzard, because someone couldn't deliver good results, while others could.
Why so serious?
Hughgrant
Profile Joined June 2015
32 Posts
July 06 2016 11:04 GMT
#225
I wouldn't say that Lilbow has a chance to reach top world level in Overwatch but what's make the big difference between a random player and these guy is that they can try hard as hell. They can focus 12hours a day and practice effectively for hours and i have no doubt that he'll reach a very good level (ie Mlord who is a heartstone legend player , top euro sc2 player and has a veeeeery decent CS:GO level )

Plus he'll be surrounded by pro players which is a big advantage.


I can understand lilbow's decision as Sc2 community is decreasing quickly and if you want to make a correct living out of it you have to be part of the top 10 euro players and the game has become way too competitve.
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1916 Posts
July 06 2016 11:26 GMT
#226
Blows my mind how this "new" generation of gamers jumps onto the hype train of Overwatch. It's like UT or Quake III Arena had sex with LoL or DotA and everybody's like "CRAZY, this is the next level shit" when it's just another arena shooter lmao.

Better for Lilbow to switch the game, there's nothing left here but burned soil - Although I fear he will eventually fuck up there, as well, he's got an attitude problem.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 06 2016 17:09 GMT
#227
On July 06 2016 20:26 Creager wrote:
Blows my mind how this "new" generation of gamers jumps onto the hype train of Overwatch. It's like UT or Quake III Arena had sex with LoL or DotA and everybody's like "CRAZY, this is the next level shit" when it's just another arena shooter lmao.

Before you get any more edgy, have you played it?
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1916 Posts
July 06 2016 19:01 GMT
#228
On July 07 2016 02:09 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2016 20:26 Creager wrote:
Blows my mind how this "new" generation of gamers jumps onto the hype train of Overwatch. It's like UT or Quake III Arena had sex with LoL or DotA and everybody's like "CRAZY, this is the next level shit" when it's just another arena shooter lmao.

Before you get any more edgy, have you played it?


Yes, I've tried it during the open beta weekend before launch, that's not much I admit, but from what I experienced it's nothing special, certainly a well-made shooter, but not groundbreaking as many people apparently think it is. Probably also factors in that it doesn't appeal as well to my age group (around 30) as it's getting pretty hard to find a group of people to play on a regular basis. Solo queueing wasn't much fun for me, all this eye candy and constant achievement bling-bling wasn't fun, all felt pretty "meaningless" (I know, weird term to use for a game).

TL;DR I'm just devolving into a grumpy old man, I guess.
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-06 19:53:06
July 06 2016 19:52 GMT
#229
On July 07 2016 04:01 Creager wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2016 02:09 NewSunshine wrote:
On July 06 2016 20:26 Creager wrote:
Blows my mind how this "new" generation of gamers jumps onto the hype train of Overwatch. It's like UT or Quake III Arena had sex with LoL or DotA and everybody's like "CRAZY, this is the next level shit" when it's just another arena shooter lmao.

Before you get any more edgy, have you played it?


Yes, I've tried it during the open beta weekend before launch, that's not much I admit, but from what I experienced it's nothing special, certainly a well-made shooter, but not groundbreaking as many people apparently think it is. Probably also factors in that it doesn't appeal as well to my age group (around 30) as it's getting pretty hard to find a group of people to play on a regular basis. Solo queueing wasn't much fun for me, all this eye candy and constant achievement bling-bling wasn't fun, all felt pretty "meaningless" (I know, weird term to use for a game).

TL;DR I'm just devolving into a grumpy old man, I guess.

I'm not saying you have to like it, but the game has more polish than any game I've ever played, and people are responding to it. I know you say it doesn't really break new ground, but it really does take a fresh approach that most shooters don't. When you think of a FPS, you think of assault rifles and grenade launchers, but with characters like Reinhardt, Hanzo and Winston, that clearly break away from the idea that guns are a given, it has fresh new ideas that are all executed very well. When you play as Reinhardt you really feel like a giant hammer-swinging shield, there's a great sense of embodiment for whatever character you play. If that's not your thing, that's ok, but people really enjoy that kind of thing.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
GoSuNamhciR
Profile Joined May 2010
124 Posts
July 10 2016 20:51 GMT
#230
This guy has a bad history as of late in SC2 but Starcraft has been bleeding players for a long time now. I just want a new RTS to invigorate the scene.. don't really like MOBA's.
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
July 11 2016 04:03 GMT
#231
sc2 is simply behind every other game. money is gone, magic is gone, fans are gone
Jar Jar Binks
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
July 11 2016 04:19 GMT
#232
On July 11 2016 13:03 BlackGosu wrote:
sc2 is simply behind every other game. money is gone, magic is gone, fans are gone

its still the hardest competitive game and has the best players in the world playing top shit. ill take that over whatever fad comes around.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 11 2016 04:34 GMT
#233
On July 06 2016 16:20 Sewi wrote:
I always tell my friends to visit TL because people here are more grown up than in many other forums. This is a poor example though and I really think people should calm down and rather say nothing than posting insults and the same "jokes" over and over again.

I don't follow the scene as much as I did a few years ago and I didn't catch 100% of the drama, but I remember times where the whole community was excited when foreigners showed good results and tried to compete at the top. Despite not agreeing with every decision made we could still respect people who made it far. You have to give up a lot to make it to this point and switching can only make things better for him now I guess.
GL HF in Overwatch


Okay, I respect what you mean here but if you were around a few years ago you KNOW things were exactly the same when people talked about Idra, and then Naniwa after that.
The way people and the community talk about players they don't like the actions of has not changed a bit.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
July 14 2016 21:36 GMT
#234
On July 11 2016 13:19 Hexe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 13:03 BlackGosu wrote:
sc2 is simply behind every other game. money is gone, magic is gone, fans are gone

its still the hardest competitive game and has the best players in the world playing top shit. ill take that over whatever fad comes around.

thats what we call elitism
Jar Jar Binks
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
July 14 2016 22:24 GMT
#235
On July 15 2016 06:36 BlackGosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2016 13:19 Hexe wrote:
On July 11 2016 13:03 BlackGosu wrote:
sc2 is simply behind every other game. money is gone, magic is gone, fans are gone

its still the hardest competitive game and has the best players in the world playing top shit. ill take that over whatever fad comes around.

thats what we call elitism

literally not what elitism is. definitely not the word you're looking for. or if you're sure it is, then you've learned it from people misusing it too.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-15 03:20:45
July 15 2016 03:19 GMT
#236
On July 15 2016 07:24 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2016 06:36 BlackGosu wrote:
On July 11 2016 13:19 Hexe wrote:
On July 11 2016 13:03 BlackGosu wrote:
sc2 is simply behind every other game. money is gone, magic is gone, fans are gone

its still the hardest competitive game and has the best players in the world playing top shit. ill take that over whatever fad comes around.

thats what we call elitism

literally not what elitism is. definitely not the word you're looking for. or if you're sure it is, then you've learned it from people misusing it too.

I think there's nothing wrong with preferring SC2 to other games because of the skill component, but there is an elitist undertone when you say that other games are, as a result, a fad. A game's level of accessibility is something that should be respected, because it's very important to a game's success. Leveraging accessibility towards a claim that said game is inferior or a "fad" is simply not true. Such a statement simply doesn't mean anything, it doesn't add anything to a real discussion about competitive games and how they succeed.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-15 22:18:48
July 15 2016 22:07 GMT
#237
I don't want to just be a stickler and quote a reference text to prove a point, but honestly it'd just be easier to communicate the idea by starting with that. Look how Wikipedia describes elitism:

Elitism is the belief or attitude that some individuals who form an elite—a select group of people with a certain ancestry, intrinsic quality or worth, high intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes—are those whose influence or authority is greater than that of others; whose views on a matter are to be taken more seriously or carry more weight; whose views or actions are more likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities, or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.[1]

Alternatively, the term elitism may be used to describe a situation in which power is concentrated in the hands of a limited number of people. Oppositions of elitism include anti-elitism, egalitarianism, populism and political theory of pluralism. Elite theory is the sociological or political science analysis of elite influence in society: elite theorists regard pluralism as a utopian ideal.


Someone expressing the opinion that SC2 players have superior skills/ability or that SC2 fans have superior taste would, first of all, only be claiming that such people are eligible to be the elite. The claim is that they're superior, and we also know that they're the smaller group, but do they actually have more power and influence? If yes, then they're the elite and the scene is affected by elitism. But Hexe admits to the opposite! The SC2 scene is in a weaker spot despite being superior in some ways. The bigger groups dominate. There's no elite using their advantages to leverage the scene for more than their share.

So anyway the exchange went "sc2 is worse in every way" and a guy says "no this is one way that sc2 is still better and it's the reason i watch it." The guy makes a fair point. I mean "sc2 is simply behind every other game" is a really extreme statement that's hard to defend anyway. SC2 is still the best for certain things that other games lack. But then to call Hexe's claim elitism? The concept of elitism doesn't even apply.

I'm still not sure how calling other games fads has anything to do with elitism. Calling a game a fad has nothing to do with having the attributes that set you apart from the masses and into the elite and it has nothing to do with using the attributes that placed you into the elite to gain advantages over everyone else. Whether those games are fads or not, they're more powerful, more influential, more accomplished than SC2 at this point. In fact when I think about it, the existence of fads is a sign that there is no elitism. Unless the elite control which fads are becoming popular, then the existence of fads is a demonstration of the elite's impotence. There are things out of their control that are able to massively influence the people.

Calling those games fads is just an opinion that maybe has some condescension or arrogance behind it. I feel like "elitism" is part of the word cloud that pops up in minds when thinking about these concepts and then it gets misapplied.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Prev 1 10 11 12 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
23:00
Biweekly #34
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
16:00
Masters Cup #150 Qual 1-2
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 169
BRAT_OK 72
StarCraft: Brood War
Shine 128
ToSsGirL 44
Icarus 9
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm79
League of Legends
JimRising 962
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss621
Stewie2K581
Other Games
summit1g7794
WinterStarcraft444
C9.Mang0269
ceh9110
Mew2King70
rGuardiaN23
Trikslyr15
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick823
Counter-Strike
PGL153
Other Games
BasetradeTV147
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 43
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• LUISG 0
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV448
League of Legends
• Lourlo1002
• Jankos556
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
2h 51m
OSC
4h 51m
WardiTV Invitational
1d 3h
Online Event
1d 8h
RSL Revival
1d 18h
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Soma
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.