I am in charge of the invites and I can tell you guys that I did everything in our power to get the best lineup possible. Dennis himself has very good contacts and so do I even to Korean teams but it makes me deeply sad to read some of the comments here. As for the people who know me are aware I love Korean Starcraft and I always try to get the best lineup for a HSC - skill and entertainment wise.
So I will simply go through the people that mindlessly bash the lineup and naming players who should be there without even thinking about the chance that we did invite them.
PartinG - Accepted and later cancelled due to army issues. Replacement btw was Scarlett Neeb - Declined due to not being able to miss more days at school TY - KT Rolster would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Zest - KT Rolster would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Maru - JinAirGW would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Cure - JinAirGW would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Patience - Was invited and wasn't allowed by Afreeca Freecs MC - Was invited and accepted; went to join CJ Entus and due to SPL commitments had to cancel. MajOr - Was invited and happy about it; qualified for Dreamhack and decided its too much to travel (which is understandable) Bly - Invited & accepted; Passport issues did arise so he is out; the replacement not yet named. TOP - Invited but declined since he cannot afford it
so... as you can see - blaming and shaming isn't really to put on us. We declined the WCS system to be able to invite more than 8 players and have Koreans; in the end SPL screwed us. I am not blaming Proleague or the Koreans that have to commit to it - I am simply sad that people think they have a right to bash anyone who has tried everything to create an interesting lineup.
And frankly speaking we still have every big European name; we still have fantastic players.
I guessed already that the left Zerg looks like Scarlett, and that the small terran in the middle might be Heromarine. The Protoss in the middle looks like Lilbow with an Jacket. Pretty clueless about the right Protoss, but Neeb would be cool!
On June 11 2016 20:39 Pyloss wrote: I do quite like this form of annoncement.
I guessed already that the left Zerg looks like Scarlett, and that the small terran in the middle might be Heromarine. The Protoss in the middle looks like Lilbow with an Jacket. Pretty clueless about the right Protoss, but Neeb would be cool!
I thought about lilbow too, but then I remembered he already qualified . I think it might be NightEnd!
Anyone knows at what time HSC aproximatley finishes? Don´t wanna sleep from sunday to monday in krefeld and have to check the trains. Anyone has an idea?
On June 12 2016 03:31 EXRNaRa wrote: Anyone knows at what time HSC aproximatley finishes? Don´t wanna sleep from sunday to monday in krefeld and have to check the trains. Anyone has an idea?
On June 18 2016 02:30 Musicus wrote: Can an admin or someone with power possibly change the title to "HSC XIII full player list and format" and make this Community News?
On June 18 2016 02:30 Musicus wrote: Can an admin or someone with power possibly change the title to "HSC XIII full player list and format" and make this Community News?
Ask and ye shall receive
Haha thanks mate, just added the fomat change too .
On June 18 2016 02:45 Jardoz wrote: where is Neeb?
Not sure, but I guess without WCS points and the smaller prize pool, it's not worth it for most NA and KR players to pay for the flight. Ting is also only available in NA, so maybe they didn't think flying Neeb to an EU tournament is worth it in terms of exposure.
Kinda sad after refusing to ban koreans and participating in WCS 2016 we end up with nearly all non-korean. Are there any Koreans other than TRUE here who ironically ditched korea to play in WCS...
On June 18 2016 03:35 Charoisaur wrote: Damn Dennis refuses the blizzard money and then doesn't even get koreans. could have just accepted WCS rules then.
I am in charge of the invites and I can tell you guys that I did everything in our power to get the best lineup possible. Dennis himself has very good contacts and so do I even to Korean teams but it makes me deeply sad to read some of the comments here. As for the people who know me are aware I love Korean Starcraft and I always try to get the best lineup for a HSC - skill and entertainment wise.
So I will simply go through the people that mindlessly bash the lineup and naming players who should be there without even thinking about the chance that we did invite them.
PartinG - Accepted and later cancelled due to army issues. Replacement btw was Scarlett Neeb - Declined due to not being able to miss more days at school TY - KT Rolster would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Zest - KT Rolster would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Maru - JinAirGW would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Cure - JinAirGW would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Patience - Was invited and wasn't allowed by Afreeca Freecs MC - Was invited and accepted; went to join CJ Entus and due to SPL commitments had to cancel. MajOr - Was invited and happy about it; qualified for Dreamhack and decided its too much to travel (which is understandable) Bly - Invited & accepted; Passport issues did arise so he is out; the replacement not yet named. TOP - Invited but declined since he cannot afford it
so... as you can see - blaming and shaming isn't really to put on us. We declined the WCS system to be able to invite more than 8 players and have Koreans; in the end SPL screwed us. I am not blaming Proleague or the Koreans that have to commit to it - I am simply sad that people think they have a right to bash anyone who has tried everything to create an interesting lineup.
And frankly speaking we still have every big European name; we still have fantastic players.
I am in charge of the invites and I can tell you guys that I did everything in our power to get the best lineup possible. Dennis himself has very good contacts and so do I even to Korean teams but it makes me deeply sad to read some of the comments here. As for the people who know me are aware I love Korean Starcraft and I always try to get the best lineup for a HSC - skill and entertainment wise.
So I will simply go through the people that mindlessly bash the lineup and naming players who should be there without even thinking about the chance that we did invite them.
PartinG - Accepted and later cancelled due to army issues. Replacement btw was Scarlett Neeb - Declined due to not being able to miss more days at school TY - KT Rolster would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Zest - KT Rolster would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Maru - JinAirGW would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Cure - JinAirGW would have gladly send him but due to commitments in SPL - they cannot. Patience - Was invited and wasn't allowed by Afreeca Freecs MC - Was invited and accepted; went to join CJ Entus and due to SPL commitments had to cancel. MajOr - Was invited and happy about it; qualified for Dreamhack and decided its too much to travel (which is understandable) Bly - Invited & accepted; Passport issues did arise so he is out; the replacement not yet named. TOP - Invited but declined since he cannot afford it
so... as you can see - blaming and shaming isn't really to put on us. We declined the WCS system to be able to invite more than 8 players and have Koreans; in the end SPL screwed us. I am not blaming Proleague or the Koreans that have to commit to it - I am simply sad that people think they have a right to bash anyone who has tried everything to create an interesting lineup.
And frankly speaking we still have every big European name; we still have fantastic players.
Edit: Also
Polt - declined; due to another appointment
I know you always try your best to get some top Koreans, I'm sure for the christmas edition it will easier, since SPL should be on break. Thanks for the post though, HSC will still be awesome for sure!
Super sad to not really see any koreans but thats how it is with the KesPa Rules and the money involved in the whole thing. Still a great job, excited for the weekend next week! Gonna be there!
Yea, it really sucks, love HSC and obviously not their fault. But this line up is of very little interest to me games wise. I'll probably still watch because I love the atmosphere of this event, the funny laid back casting and drinking is always entertaining, but it is really hard for me to get actually hyped.
Really sad, I wrote it a few weeks ago, that after Dennis refused WCS and became the hero for all the fans with organizing a tournament for both Koreans and foreigners, he was screwed up by Kespa when changing Proleague to the weekends :-(( Feeling so sorry for him as he could have got lots and lots of money from WCS, had he accepted the "no Koreans" condition ...
Well, we all know, homestory cup will be awesome in any case, in the traditional way, playing and drinking and relaxed casting ... We will for sure watch it anyway!
On June 18 2016 07:46 Rehio wrote: The amount of bitching about "no Koreans" is obnoxious.
I'm gonna enjoy the hell out of HSC, as usual. Keep being awesome, HSC dudes.
I think it's more disappointment than bitching. Many people were looking forward to seeing koreans at HSC so of course they are disappointed that there are no koreans. doesn't mean we won't enjoy HSC regardless.
True words spoken. - Thanks for creating such an awesome Event.
Sadly I can't watch it in person this time - but I glady will watch it online.
Also I wish every Player a very unique Time @ HSC and hope everyone enjoys this less chained Enviroment to be more of themself and less the person they need to be.
Otherwise - True I hope you enjoy your time in Krefeld and can show off that you not a B-Tier Korean like most ppl believe - I kinda follow you for awhile and think you got the potential to pull this off - My cheers are with you ! ;-)
hey guys the most importent thing is the atmosphere and we have some great players in that regard graf dracula or werrrrrrrrrrrrrrlmu a drunk stephano or a demuslim who is a great commentator
I'm torn really. I feel sorry for Dennis and the Take team, because it's not their fault SPL changed to weekends. They got the best lineup they could given the hand they were dealt
That said. I have ZERO interest in any of the games. I'll watch for the banter, but really as far as a tournament I couldn't care less
On June 18 2016 11:24 catabowl wrote: Time to see if the SC2 community will stand with the Community in this tournament or if it's only based on "Korean" participation.
Pretty sure most will still tune in. HSC is unique and is always entertaining. I'm gutted too that there's no Koreans but i'll still watch and i'm sure most will be the same.
I dont get why they invite players like Demuslim who are hardly active anymore when theyre just going to lose in the group stages, and not invite actual top foreigners.
On June 18 2016 12:18 Bobrovsky wrote: why was neeb not invited?
I dont get why they invite players like Demuslim who are hardly active anymore when theyre just going to lose in the group stages, and not invite actual top foreigners.
On June 18 2016 12:18 Bobrovsky wrote: why was neeb not invited?
I dont get why they invite players like Demuslim who are hardly active anymore when theyre just going to lose in the group stages, and not invite actual top foreigners.
Cmon dude really? Try reading the post before commenting inane sentences. They literally invited Neeb but he decided not to come because of school commitments. The crew at take has tried to get the best possible lineup they possibly could, it is not their fault that some players simply cannot attend.
As I feared, Proleague on weekends already causing some problems with collisions. I was really hyped that HSC didn't take the WCS format because I'm all for all regions being able to play. Really sad to see but it is what it is.
Still, I will watch HSC because it's HSC. Also TRUE IS TAKING THIS GOGO
Honestly, having one or two big-name Koreans like Maru or TY or Zest would do little for the tournament. You either need a handful of Koreans, or none (few) at all. Otherwise, you have all the foreigners doing their thing, with this one Korean taking an easy first place -- no offense to any foreigners.
I am totally okay with this lineup. I love seeing a lot of these players, even if they aren't playing against the best people in the world.
I love HSC! It's all about entertainment, and they do a good job every time. Lack of koreans is not an issue to me, as long as there are good (as in: entertaining) games to be played. And this player pool can deliver!
(Actually I would love for Has or Ruff or CatZ to be there, to see them pull off crazy stuff. It would stir things up )
Hmm no bling. Idk if homestory is really homestory with out him. Stephano is gunna have to pick up his slack. Id like to see neeb, bails, or vibe to get an invite as they stream alot and are from merica. Ill take scarlett to win (dark horse train)
On June 18 2016 15:56 Daswollvieh wrote: Prologue killing exports. Will be great games anyway.
Bullshit. For real.
Part of them changing the schedule is due to WCS and koreans not flying to weekend tournaments anymore anyways. So why not change it to be on weekend where a lot more people in korea have a chance to watch it? Makes enough sense to change the schedule and WCS changes are a part of the reason.
Awesome love me some Homestory Cup :3 Little sad about a few fun koreans missing (i wonder if DRG would have been able to go) but understandable with Proleague. Actually need to buy a new PC soon and might just get one from mifcom :D
Looking quite forward to this very European HSC. There is the TLO vs his slump story, and then we get to see souL in person. I'll make sure to cheer for him as an underdog. Nerchio, Snute and ShoWTimE are probably the biggest favourites, but a lot of players could win.
Thanks again for standing against the no Koreans allowed policy, TaKeTV!
On June 18 2016 15:56 Daswollvieh wrote: Prologue killing exports. Will be great games anyway.
Bullshit. For real.
Part of them changing the schedule is due to WCS and koreans not flying to weekend tournaments anymore anyways. So why not change it to be on weekend where a lot more people in korea have a chance to watch it? Makes enough sense to change the schedule and WCS changes are a part of the reason.
Perhaps, but they've said multiple times on the Proleague stream that it was LoL that bumped them out of their original time slot. It is possible that the WCS changes had an impact, but the main reason was LCS.
After the last weeks, when all the TOP Zergs in Korea suffer against much weaker Terrans, while Nerchio with Snute declare, that ZvT is quite OK and they know, how to beat the Terrans, it will be very interesting to see so many great foreign Zergs with quite a few reasonably good Terrans. Will the Terrans learn from Korea, how to do it EZ-PZ?
On June 18 2016 23:57 Diabolique wrote: After the last weeks, when all the TOP Zergs in Korea suffer against much weaker Terrans, while Nerchio with Snute declare, that ZvT is quite OK and they know, how to beat the Terrans, it will be very interesting to see so many great foreign Zergs with quite a few reasonably good Terrans. Will the Terrans learn from Korea, how to do it EZ-PZ?
There is nothing to learn. Korean progamers just train harder and better. You cant make terran work without superb multitasking. Also terran havent got a viable deathball army
Zergs outside of korea dont have to deal with all that "code s harass". So no surprise they look stronger
More Koreans would've been nice but then again if there's one tournament where it doesn't matter to me, it's HSC. I imagine TRUE could also be really fun to see at this event. Shame about PartinG's army issues.
Also very unfortunate that the single tournament that has been kept open by not being part of the WCS system is still exactly the same as the WCS tournaments with the only difference being that it is not part of the WCS system.
On June 18 2016 15:56 Daswollvieh wrote: Prologue killing exports. Will be great games anyway.
Bullshit. For real.
Part of them changing the schedule is due to WCS and koreans not flying to weekend tournaments anymore anyways. So why not change it to be on weekend where a lot more people in korea have a chance to watch it? Makes enough sense to change the schedule and WCS changes are a part of the reason.
Proleague moving to weekends is due to SPOTV broadcasting League of Legends Korea.
On June 18 2016 16:12 _fool wrote: I love HSC! It's all about entertainment, and they do a good job every time. Lack of koreans is not an issue to me, as long as there are good (as in: entertaining) games to be played. And this player pool can deliver!
(Actually I would love for Has or Ruff or CatZ to be there, to see them pull off crazy stuff. It would stir things up )
catz being at hsc would be fantastic, his commentary is super good.
I hope the last replacement goes to Keen or Soulkey, as they participated in qualifiers so they're likely willing to come.
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
In my opinion the best few foreigners are as good or a little weaker than 2nd tier Koreans (top 10-30) and should have a high chance against 3rd tier Koreans.
So to me it will be very interesting to see how foreigners do if there're some 2nd/3rd tier Koreans in the lineup. Sadly the organizer seems focused on top tier Koreans.
HSC is not about the quality of the players, and it never really was. Also I prefer seeing foreigners since nowadays I feel like I can watch way more Korean Starcraft than foreign Starcraft.
I haven't been following SC2 much since LotV, so I'd like to know what is meant by, "Due to the nature of games in Legacy of the Void we decided to already have Best of 5 groupstages"
What exactly is the 'nature of games' that is being referred to?
On June 20 2016 05:50 Bumblebees wrote: I haven't been following SC2 much since LotV, so I'd like to know what is meant by, "Due to the nature of games in Legacy of the Void we decided to already have Best of 5 groupstages"
What exactly is the 'nature of games' that is being referred to?
LotV games tend to be a little bit shorter because of the 12 worker start.
Way too many Zergs, sadly. I will enjoy or at home this Time. Next Time in Krefeld in Autumn Maybe I will give again Tablesoccer lessons for Dennis and our young french pros
On June 18 2016 03:05 gingerfluffmuff wrote: damn, thats the weakest lineup since forever.
We need MC!
how is this weak??
the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
Unlucky with everyone being busy for SPL. I usually don't tune into foreigner only tournaments but since its Homestory Cup, how could i say no? Always a fun time there.
On June 20 2016 08:08 PockyStix wrote: Unlucky with everyone being busy for SPL. I usually don't tune into foreigner only tournaments but since its Homestory Cup, how could i say no? Always a fun time there.
Yep even for only-koreans fans, I think this tournament still fun to watch.
On June 20 2016 08:41 Toudeleski wrote: is it too late to invite byun?
ByuN asked but all spots are gone. Also last time he qualified; said he doesnt have a team and could not afford the travel. When X-Team wanted to send him and he accepted he later still cancelled so... ByuN while I think he is a great player wouldnt be my first thought as an invite.
On June 21 2016 05:44 Darkglasses wrote: For those of us also of a footballing persuasion, will there be a screen showing the Euros in the Take studio? :D
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
On June 18 2016 03:05 gingerfluffmuff wrote: damn, thats the weakest lineup since forever.
We need MC!
how is this weak??
the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
"koreans are shit except for the ones that aren't shit"
On June 18 2016 03:05 gingerfluffmuff wrote: damn, thats the weakest lineup since forever.
We need MC!
how is this weak??
the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
"koreans are shit except for the ones that aren't shit"
On June 18 2016 03:05 gingerfluffmuff wrote: damn, thats the weakest lineup since forever.
We need MC!
how is this weak??
the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
its sad your parents didnt knew about condoms. We would have 1 less idiot
On June 18 2016 03:05 gingerfluffmuff wrote: damn, thats the weakest lineup since forever.
We need MC!
how is this weak??
the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
On June 18 2016 03:05 gingerfluffmuff wrote: damn, thats the weakest lineup since forever.
We need MC!
how is this weak??
the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
And foreigners?
Shit regardless of tier, I guess. Might be the first HSC I won't watch, at all.
edit: with all those Koreans cancelling due to one of the VERY few KR tournaments overlapping schedule-wise, did you consider postponing HSC? I know, getting so many people together is quite a feat, but missing out on all those Koreans, which have become an integral part of HSC throughout the years, is really a shame tbh :/
NarutO, even though there's not much of a reason for you to keep us in the loop with respect to our favourite Koreans, I really appreciate you putting in that effort. :D
On June 18 2016 03:05 gingerfluffmuff wrote: damn, thats the weakest lineup since forever.
We need MC!
how is this weak??
the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
And foreigners?
Shit regardless of tier, I guess. Might be the first HSC I won't watch, at all.
edit: with all those Koreans cancelling due to one of the VERY few KR tournaments overlapping schedule-wise, did you consider postponing HSC? I know, getting so many people together is quite a feat, but missing out on all those Koreans, which have become an integral part of HSC throughout the years, is really a shame tbh :/
Then don't watch. It will be a great tournament nonetheless. And thats coming from a person that loves Korean Starcraft. And no postponing is no option. You don't see a Dreamhack or IEM postpone either.
On June 18 2016 03:05 gingerfluffmuff wrote: damn, thats the weakest lineup since forever.
We need MC!
how is this weak??
the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
And foreigners?
Shit regardless of tier, I guess. Might be the first HSC I won't watch, at all.
edit: with all those Koreans cancelling due to one of the VERY few KR tournaments overlapping schedule-wise, did you consider postponing HSC? I know, getting so many people together is quite a feat, but missing out on all those Koreans, which have become an integral part of HSC throughout the years, is really a shame tbh :/
Then don't watch. It will be a great tournament nonetheless. And thats coming from a person that loves Korean Starcraft. And no postponing is no option. You don't see a Dreamhack or IEM postpone either.
Quite bad comparison to make, but thank you for your answer nonetheless. glhf
On June 18 2016 03:05 gingerfluffmuff wrote: damn, thats the weakest lineup since forever.
We need MC!
how is this weak??
the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
And foreigners?
Shit regardless of tier, I guess. Might be the first HSC I won't watch, at all.
edit: with all those Koreans cancelling due to one of the VERY few KR tournaments overlapping schedule-wise, did you consider postponing HSC? I know, getting so many people together is quite a feat, but missing out on all those Koreans, which have become an integral part of HSC throughout the years, is really a shame tbh :/
Then don't watch. It will be a great tournament nonetheless. And thats coming from a person that loves Korean Starcraft. And no postponing is no option. You don't see a Dreamhack or IEM postpone either.
Quite bad comparison to make, but thank you for your answer nonetheless. glhf
How is it a bad comparison? IEM; Dreamhack; HSC; are all major tournaments - you do not simply postpone it. You have to go through the process of applying to Blizzard; getting your date accepted; promoting and inviting players. While tons of players can say yes or no immediately the Koreans always talk a while and SPL3 schedule wasnt out and no one was willing to give it to us before so as you can see. PP is no option.
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
And foreigners?
Shit regardless of tier, I guess. Might be the first HSC I won't watch, at all.
edit: with all those Koreans cancelling due to one of the VERY few KR tournaments overlapping schedule-wise, did you consider postponing HSC? I know, getting so many people together is quite a feat, but missing out on all those Koreans, which have become an integral part of HSC throughout the years, is really a shame tbh :/
Then don't watch. It will be a great tournament nonetheless. And thats coming from a person that loves Korean Starcraft. And no postponing is no option. You don't see a Dreamhack or IEM postpone either.
Quite bad comparison to make, but thank you for your answer nonetheless. glhf
How is it a bad comparison? IEM; Dreamhack; HSC; are all major tournaments - you do not simply postpone it. You have to go through the process of applying to Blizzard; getting your date accepted; promoting and inviting players. While tons of players can say yes or no immediately the Koreans always talk a while and SPL3 schedule wasnt out and no one was willing to give it to us before so as you can see. PP is no option.
Thank you very much for providing additional insights. It's a bad comparison when you look at what's surrounding these major tournaments, DH originally is the biggest LAN-party in the world with tons of other games getting covered and played there, IEM is another huge event which hosts multiple games. Compared to HSC, which is a SC2-only tournament especially catering to our community, they have to consider even more stuff when organizing their events. Listen, I understand that application procedures with Blizzard are likely the same and I didn't want to pick a fight with you, I just wanted to know if there's a possibility to have those beloved Koreans of ours at your event, as that's what a lot of people were hoping for this year, I guess. Still as a long-time viewer of HSCs I wanted to express my regret towards the situation and regarding this year's WCS "dilemma" this event was one of the very few opportunities I was hoping for, it is what it is, though.
So sorry to have apparently triggered your anger with my post, I wish you a very successful tournament and the greatest of times.
Sad to see Serral and Welmu in the same group but let's hope they will only meet in the winners match. Good luck with the event. I'm sure it will be a blast.
On June 22 2016 22:41 Azhrak wrote: Sad to see Serral and Welmu in the same group but let's hope they will only meet in the winners match. Good luck with the event. I'm sure it will be a blast.
On June 22 2016 22:41 Azhrak wrote: Sad to see Serral and Welmu in the same group but let's hope they will only meet in the winners match. Good luck with the event. I'm sure it will be a blast.
Yeah after luckily getting into the tournament he's paying for it in many different ways.
On June 18 2016 04:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: [quote] the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
And foreigners?
Shit regardless of tier, I guess. Might be the first HSC I won't watch, at all.
edit: with all those Koreans cancelling due to one of the VERY few KR tournaments overlapping schedule-wise, did you consider postponing HSC? I know, getting so many people together is quite a feat, but missing out on all those Koreans, which have become an integral part of HSC throughout the years, is really a shame tbh :/
Then don't watch. It will be a great tournament nonetheless. And thats coming from a person that loves Korean Starcraft. And no postponing is no option. You don't see a Dreamhack or IEM postpone either.
Quite bad comparison to make, but thank you for your answer nonetheless. glhf
How is it a bad comparison? IEM; Dreamhack; HSC; are all major tournaments - you do not simply postpone it. You have to go through the process of applying to Blizzard; getting your date accepted; promoting and inviting players. While tons of players can say yes or no immediately the Koreans always talk a while and SPL3 schedule wasnt out and no one was willing to give it to us before so as you can see. PP is no option.
Thank you very much for providing additional insights. It's a bad comparison when you look at what's surrounding these major tournaments, DH originally is the biggest LAN-party in the world with tons of other games getting covered and played there, IEM is another huge event which hosts multiple games. Compared to HSC, which is a SC2-only tournament especially catering to our community, they have to consider even more stuff when organizing their events. Listen, I understand that application procedures with Blizzard are likely the same and I didn't want to pick a fight with you, I just wanted to know if there's a possibility to have those beloved Koreans of ours at your event, as that's what a lot of people were hoping for this year, I guess. Still as a long-time viewer of HSCs I wanted to express my regret towards the situation and regarding this year's WCS "dilemma" this event was one of the very few opportunities I was hoping for, it is what it is, though.
So sorry to have apparently triggered your anger with my post, I wish you a very successful tournament and the greatest of times.
I can understand about the bad comparison. But you can't expect all the foreigners to postpone their schedule either just to please the koreans. I mean they have live too you know... I'm pretty sure we did a lot of effort for them to come in the past.
On June 18 2016 04:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: [quote] the lack of koreans?
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
And foreigners?
Shit regardless of tier, I guess. Might be the first HSC I won't watch, at all.
edit: with all those Koreans cancelling due to one of the VERY few KR tournaments overlapping schedule-wise, did you consider postponing HSC? I know, getting so many people together is quite a feat, but missing out on all those Koreans, which have become an integral part of HSC throughout the years, is really a shame tbh :/
Then don't watch. It will be a great tournament nonetheless. And thats coming from a person that loves Korean Starcraft. And no postponing is no option. You don't see a Dreamhack or IEM postpone either.
Quite bad comparison to make, but thank you for your answer nonetheless. glhf
How is it a bad comparison? IEM; Dreamhack; HSC; are all major tournaments - you do not simply postpone it. You have to go through the process of applying to Blizzard; getting your date accepted; promoting and inviting players. While tons of players can say yes or no immediately the Koreans always talk a while and SPL3 schedule wasnt out and no one was willing to give it to us before so as you can see. PP is no option.
Thank you very much for providing additional insights. It's a bad comparison when you look at what's surrounding these major tournaments, DH originally is the biggest LAN-party in the world with tons of other games getting covered and played there, IEM is another huge event which hosts multiple games. Compared to HSC, which is a SC2-only tournament especially catering to our community, they have to consider even more stuff when organizing their events. Listen, I understand that application procedures with Blizzard are likely the same and I didn't want to pick a fight with you, I just wanted to know if there's a possibility to have those beloved Koreans of ours at your event, as that's what a lot of people were hoping for this year, I guess. Still as a long-time viewer of HSCs I wanted to express my regret towards the situation and regarding this year's WCS "dilemma" this event was one of the very few opportunities I was hoping for, it is what it is, though.
So sorry to have apparently triggered your anger with my post, I wish you a very successful tournament and the greatest of times.
That's some gross passive aggression. Opening with your disappointment of no korean participation being strong enough to not watch at all in a rude manner, calling a comparison of HSC to IEM and Dreamhack a "bad" comparison with your reason being HSC is a SC2 only tournament making the lineup more important, irrelevant to the comparison that was being made (which was addressing the impossibility of postponing; a lineup being more important can't transcend possibility). A fight wasn't picked either, he gave you a regular response to a statement you didn't originally expand on.
It feels so troll reading stuff like 'those beloved Koreans' and wishing upon us the greatest of times in a sea of sarcasm, but it also feels like you believe in the main things you say leaving me utterly confused. I am so triggered right now.
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
And foreigners?
Shit regardless of tier, I guess. Might be the first HSC I won't watch, at all.
edit: with all those Koreans cancelling due to one of the VERY few KR tournaments overlapping schedule-wise, did you consider postponing HSC? I know, getting so many people together is quite a feat, but missing out on all those Koreans, which have become an integral part of HSC throughout the years, is really a shame tbh :/
Then don't watch. It will be a great tournament nonetheless. And thats coming from a person that loves Korean Starcraft. And no postponing is no option. You don't see a Dreamhack or IEM postpone either.
Quite bad comparison to make, but thank you for your answer nonetheless. glhf
How is it a bad comparison? IEM; Dreamhack; HSC; are all major tournaments - you do not simply postpone it. You have to go through the process of applying to Blizzard; getting your date accepted; promoting and inviting players. While tons of players can say yes or no immediately the Koreans always talk a while and SPL3 schedule wasnt out and no one was willing to give it to us before so as you can see. PP is no option.
Thank you very much for providing additional insights. It's a bad comparison when you look at what's surrounding these major tournaments, DH originally is the biggest LAN-party in the world with tons of other games getting covered and played there, IEM is another huge event which hosts multiple games. Compared to HSC, which is a SC2-only tournament especially catering to our community, they have to consider even more stuff when organizing their events. Listen, I understand that application procedures with Blizzard are likely the same and I didn't want to pick a fight with you, I just wanted to know if there's a possibility to have those beloved Koreans of ours at your event, as that's what a lot of people were hoping for this year, I guess. Still as a long-time viewer of HSCs I wanted to express my regret towards the situation and regarding this year's WCS "dilemma" this event was one of the very few opportunities I was hoping for, it is what it is, though.
So sorry to have apparently triggered your anger with my post, I wish you a very successful tournament and the greatest of times.
I can understand about the bad comparison. But you can't expect all the foreigners to postpone their schedule either just to please the koreans. I mean they have live too you know... I'm pretty sure we did a lot of effort for them to come in the past.
No, of course not, but as current WCS rules prevent Koreans from participating in most overseas competition and HSC isn't categorized as a WCS event, it could've been one of the most promising tourneys of 2016 (only Blizzcon topping it for me personally), now we're stuck with basically another WCS event with the same foreign players over and over again.
Just saying that my conclusion is not to watch since I don't want to support this segregation of players (not implying anything like this happening at HSC!), nothing more.
why do you want koreans when foreigners are so much more fun apart from the absolute top?
how are foreigners more fun?
On June 20 2016 02:54 Symons7 wrote:
After read the organizer's post, I feel it's not wise to approach TY/Zest/Maru/Cure/Patience. They're top tier Koreans and frankly I don't think foreigners will have any chance against them.
yeah they shouldn't be invited because they are too good. Just unfair that some players are better than other ones.
because koreans are shit apart from the top tier.
And foreigners?
Shit regardless of tier, I guess. Might be the first HSC I won't watch, at all.
edit: with all those Koreans cancelling due to one of the VERY few KR tournaments overlapping schedule-wise, did you consider postponing HSC? I know, getting so many people together is quite a feat, but missing out on all those Koreans, which have become an integral part of HSC throughout the years, is really a shame tbh :/
Then don't watch. It will be a great tournament nonetheless. And thats coming from a person that loves Korean Starcraft. And no postponing is no option. You don't see a Dreamhack or IEM postpone either.
Quite bad comparison to make, but thank you for your answer nonetheless. glhf
How is it a bad comparison? IEM; Dreamhack; HSC; are all major tournaments - you do not simply postpone it. You have to go through the process of applying to Blizzard; getting your date accepted; promoting and inviting players. While tons of players can say yes or no immediately the Koreans always talk a while and SPL3 schedule wasnt out and no one was willing to give it to us before so as you can see. PP is no option.
Thank you very much for providing additional insights. It's a bad comparison when you look at what's surrounding these major tournaments, DH originally is the biggest LAN-party in the world with tons of other games getting covered and played there, IEM is another huge event which hosts multiple games. Compared to HSC, which is a SC2-only tournament especially catering to our community, they have to consider even more stuff when organizing their events. Listen, I understand that application procedures with Blizzard are likely the same and I didn't want to pick a fight with you, I just wanted to know if there's a possibility to have those beloved Koreans of ours at your event, as that's what a lot of people were hoping for this year, I guess. Still as a long-time viewer of HSCs I wanted to express my regret towards the situation and regarding this year's WCS "dilemma" this event was one of the very few opportunities I was hoping for, it is what it is, though.
So sorry to have apparently triggered your anger with my post, I wish you a very successful tournament and the greatest of times.
That's some gross passive aggression. Opening with your disappointment of no korean participation being strong enough to not watch at all in a rude manner, calling a comparison of HSC to IEM and Dreamhack a "bad" comparison with your reason being HSC is a SC2 only tournament making the lineup more important, irrelevant to the comparison that was being made (which was addressing the impossibility of postponing; a lineup being more important can't transcend possibility). A fight wasn't picked either, he gave you a regular response to a statement you didn't originally expand on.
It feels so troll reading stuff like 'those beloved Koreans' and wishing upon us the greatest of times in a sea of sarcasm, but it also feels like you believe in the main things you say leaving me utterly confused. I am so triggered right now.
As a viewer how am I supposed to show my feelings towards certain decisions/situations? Only thing I can do is giving feedback and/or say I will or won't watch it. Sorry that this is confusing to you, it might come across as passive aggressiveness, but it's really just trying to behave and having a respectful conversation. My points stand as they are, won't go back on them, I was asking a genuine question, sure, could've worded it better/more neutral, but I'm expressing my opinion and that should be legit, as well, no?
Just saying that my conclusion is not to watch since I don't want to support this segregation of players (not implying anything like this happening at HSC!), nothing more.
It's just a bit funny that this is the tournament you boycott when it's the only major organization to very deliberately turn down the entire WCS system in order to produce content that you're asking for.
It's not their fault that things with Kespa didn't work out. Just bad circumstances all around, and HSC gets to be doubly punished. Not only do they not get the WCS perks, but the fans that they were looking out for and trying to please still scorn their tournament. Sucks.
As a viewer how am I supposed to show my feelings towards certain decisions/situations? Only thing I can do is giving feedback and/or say I will or won't watch it. Sorry that this is confusing to you, it might come across as passive aggressiveness, but it's really just trying to behave and having a respectful conversation. My points stand as they are, won't go back on them, I was asking a genuine question, sure, could've worded it better/more neutral, but I'm expressing my opinion and that should be legit, as well, no?
I dont watch it either, but kinda glad that mine (or yours) isnt the most popular opinion. 17k viewers on the english stream alone is very nice. The game needs this, especially now.
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. I think it might be NightEnd!
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