EPTTop 30 streamers May 2016 - Page 2
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On June 04 2016 19:30 Lightrush wrote: It breaks my heart to see GSL and Proleague getting less attention than basetrade Uhh, where are you seeing that? BasetradeTV is streaming much more than GSL and Proleague, but it doesn't get a higher average viewer count. | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
On June 04 2016 14:00 Beliskner wrote: Because Winter isn't using viewbots to average 1000 viewers, He's also been cleared by Blizzard and Teamliquid that his average viewers are legitimate. Basically it means you're all a bit butthurt and really can't accept the fact that he can manage over 700 subs and 1500 viewers..... Can you please show me where Blizzard and Teamliquid cleared him? I only know about this https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2yz0kv/wintergaming_uses_viewbots_heres_the_evidence/ | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On June 04 2016 19:38 HolydaKing wrote: Uhh, where are you seeing that? BasetradeTV is streaming much more than GSL and Proleague, but it doesn't get a higher average viewer count. Yeah you can clearly see GSL gets 10x the viewers, just obviously it's on a lot less. | ||
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
Looks like the LOTV bump has worn off now. | ||
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Lightrush
Bulgaria164 Posts
On June 04 2016 19:38 HolydaKing wrote: Uhh, where are you seeing that? BasetradeTV is streaming much more than GSL and Proleague, but it doesn't get a higher average viewer count. Oh yeah! You are right. I am happy again  | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On June 04 2016 10:11 adnap2 wrote: why do u want to ban people telling the truth. I want to ban people for following around their TL/SC2 ex-girlfriend/Winter (who doesn't even know who you are) like a psycho-celebrity-stalker to every chat where Winter's name is mentioned and then harassing EVERYONE in the thread with their broken dreams and tears about Winter ignoring their constant flames in his chat. I GET IT DUDE... YOUR HARD ON FOR WINTER KNOWS NO END. IF HE COULD HAVE JUST NOT VEIW BOTTED SC2 SCENE SAVED, BUT WHY WINTER WHY?! If you (or anyone else that reads this) is one of those people, I want you to wake up tomorrow and while you look yourself in the mirror ask yourself this question, "What the fuck am I doing in my life that makes me unable to get over someone that viewbotted 2 -3 years ago?" People are raped and murdered everyday, but instead of pouring my energy into doing something about that I'm going to get on TL to flame Winter. Then after that I'm going to Winter's live chat and pull out my hate boner for all to see. IT'S NOT EXHIBITIONISM, IT'S JUST THE TRUTH... WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BAN ME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH?! I DON'T GET IT. | ||
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
Sad to see sc2 viewers so small in lotv but due to less content than wol + hots where i think peek was around 70kish? for a big tourney? | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On June 06 2016 07:56 ShambhalaWar wrote: I want to ban people for following around their TL/SC2 ex-girlfriend/Winter (who doesn't even know who you are) like a psycho-celebrity-stalker to every chat where Winter's name is mentioned and then harassing EVERYONE in the thread with their broken dreams and tears about Winter ignoring their constant flames in his chat. I GET IT DUDE... YOUR HARD ON FOR WINTER KNOWS NO END. IF HE COULD HAVE JUST NOT VEIW BOTTED SC2 SCENE SAVED, BUT WHY WINTER WHY?! If you (or anyone else that reads this) is one of those people, I want you to wake up tomorrow and while you look yourself in the mirror ask yourself this question, "What the fuck am I doing in my life that makes me unable to get over someone that viewbotted 2 -3 years ago?" People are raped and murdered everyday, but instead of pouring my energy into doing something about that I'm going to get on TL to flame Winter. Then after that I'm going to Winter's live chat and pull out my hate boner for all to see. IT'S NOT EXHIBITIONISM, IT'S JUST THE TRUTH... WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BAN ME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH?! I DON'T GET IT. CAPS LOCK ALWAYS MAKES ARGUMENTS LOOK IMPRESSIVE | ||
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HsDLTitich
Italy830 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Beliskner
111 Posts
On June 07 2016 20:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Winter has never been cleared. Stop declaring that he has. His stream is most certainly viewbotted. If I recall TL refeatured him as there is no way to prove that it was him that paid to do so. Nothing more and nothing less. If he has been cleared it is up to you to post a link that declares so. We're not declaring that viewbots have never been on Winter's channel. Because it obviously HAS happened, just like with a wide number of twitch channels, but just because a view-botnet has been released on a channel it does not mean that the owner of the channel has bought a paid botnet service. Malicious attacks are common, and if it's a hacked botnet the operator doesn't have to PAY to tarnish or damage anyone's reputation, they're just enjoy releasing their bots on the next unsuspecting victim or to DDoS the next target. But that's not what we're referring in that Winter is 'clear'. It means that Winter's actual current average viewer count are, quote "more than good enough to be featured. " http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/480649-revised-featured-stream-requirements-for-2015?page=27#528 And again judging from his 750 odd subscribers, average 1k max 2k viewers, it seems to back up that at least over the last 6 months, these are legit numbers. No, Winter isn't Viewbotting to get 1.2k viewers at 4am in the morning with the next stream at 300viewers with some rerun. That's literally his niche, he's developed it and it works. Winter usually streams like 10 hours a day almost 7 days a week, being accessible to a wide range of timezones across the globe. With good production quality, playing all the races to atleast masters level and high uptime, why wouldn't he get viewers? Even the blind haters must be starting to wonder how he's still around if all of his viewers are viewbots? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Beliskner
111 Posts
On June 08 2016 06:02 Dangermousecatdog wrote: As your very link provided said "The original investigation showed that his stream was a target of botting, but there was no way to establish beyond reasonable doubt the person who was responsible for the botting." It is as all the same to which I have recalled. Why call me a hater for writing the exact same thing as your link? You yourself admit he has never been cleared of viewbotting. He has never been cleared simply becuase it would be impossible to prove whether he was responsible for the viewbotting. That his channel was viewbotted for years and accrued viewers because of it is beyond doubt. Of course he's never been 'cleared'. No one is under a obligation to prove that something didn't take place. That's retarded. But it seems when it comes to Winter we all take logic and reason and flip it on it's head. Now all of a sudden somehow he needs to prove a negative, which is even more impossible than proving that he was responsible. But besides from that, now based on your what... emotional evidence? It's 'beyond doubt' that his channel has been viewbotted for 'years' and now he has somehow 'tricked' all those people into consistently tuning into his stream.... The times when Winter's channel has been targeted by viewbots is quite clear. I even remember one time where his stream was targeted and his title was 'Actual Viewbots', 10k viewers. The stream title obviously making fun of the fact that someone was targeting his stream. Taking that incidences such as these which quite obviously NOT his doing are possible, it's a giant leap to 'his channel was viewbotted for years', for which you have exactly 0 evidence for.. the exact opposite of beyond doubt. Honestly, if you went and crucified every twitch channel that was the target of viewbots you probably wouldn't have many left. But it seems that people have such emotional chip on their shoulder when it comes to Winter that they'll throw reasonable logical processing out the window and weight any circumstantial evidence that aligns with their view so highly. Bottom line.... Winter is legitimately at #1 at the moment. If you really think people subscribe and watch him now because he was using viewbots regularly in the past (not sure how he managed to pay for those bots for years if his viewers weren't legit) that's your opinion, not fact. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
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