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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Also, before anyone mentions it, we do realize that the end of Winter's 6 month review period is coming up. We will discuss his stream and make a decision when we've come to a conclusion. As always we're looking for good streams to keep and eye on and hopefully promote. If you're currently in WCS, make sure to tweet at me with your username/stream so I don't forget to feature you. *Note to Ketroc/YoGo, you may need to logout/login because the new TL stream list is kinda finicky. >.> | ||
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Aeromi
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Bezu13
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HitmanStarcraft2
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 18 2015 18:15 HitmanStarcraft2 wrote: I'm Hitman, and I made it into the WCS Premier League RO16 last season, but I'm having trouble getting featured. Can anyone help me out? PM me your stream link and info | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
He already set up the stream on TL a while back: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/HitmanStarcraft2 | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On September 19 2015 09:45 oOOoOphidian wrote: He already set up the stream on TL a while back: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/HitmanStarcraft2 I already fixed it. Streamers need to PM me esp when they never turn their TL stream link on coz there's no way for me to figure out whether they actually stream or not. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
In March 2015, Team Liquid decided to defeature WinterStarcraft after revelations of viewbotting. Our original decision was made due to the fact that there was no way to establish Winter's actual viewership count and whether it would have qualified him for featured streams. There was a possibility that he acquired featured status solely because of the suspected bots, which aided in amassing more legitimate viewers. The original investigation showed that his stream was a target of botting, but there was no way to establish beyond reasonable doubt the person who was responsible for the botting. Based on the evidence provided, we decided that the best course of action was to remove WinterStarcraft from our featured streams list and put him on a 6 month probation. At the same time, Winter promised to change his stream and attempt to clear the accusations. During this time, he remained a spotlighted Twitch streamer. Now that his probation period has expired, we must revisit our decision and decide whether or not to refeature him. This has been a very high profile case, so we do not take this decision lightly. We have placed the burden of proof on Winter to show that his stream is clean and that the problem is past him. Based on the evidence he provided, we have decided to refeature Winter. He was very cooperative during the probation period and the deliberation process, and he provided private information that shows his real streaming numbers (extrapolated from the data) are more than good enough to be featured. While we cannot divulge exactly what information he showed us or explain how that data supports his claims, it became evident even to the most skeptical among us that—based on what he showed us—he deserves to be refeatured. Coupled with the fact that Blizzard and Twitch continue to support him, we have no reason to keep him off the list. We at Team Liquid believe in giving people second chances, and that people can change for the better. Winter's stream looks healthy and he's shown enough proof to convince us to refeature him. We hope that everyone has learned their lesson from this fiasco, and that everyone avoids such mischievous behavior in the future. | ||
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iMrising
United States1099 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 02 2015 12:05 oOOoOphidian wrote: I can't say I blame you guys for the decision, given the burden isn't really on TL to prove he is doing anything wrong. I think it's a little naive to get some figures from him that show he has enough "real viewers" and say that he deserves the refeature despite obvious continual viewbotting going on, though. Winter was the one who provided the information, but he had no hand in collecting, valuing, or analyzing the info. Also, screenshots. | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On October 02 2015 12:10 lichter wrote: Winter was the one who provided the information, but he had no hand in collecting, valuing, or analyzing the info. Also, screenshots. Maybe I just misunderstood, but it sounds like he proved he has enough real viewers to earn the feature, despite still being viewbotted constantly. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 02 2015 12:12 oOOoOphidian wrote: Maybe I just misunderstood, but it sounds like he proved he has enough real viewers to earn the feature, despite still being viewbotted constantly. There's no way for me to tell whether or not there are still bots on his stream, but I will say that based on the data I saw, his numbers line up closely. I don't know the exact details of how the numbers were calculated by the relevant party, so there might be a discrepancy, but it's close enough. Tbh it doesn't make any sense for him to bot himself because he has a sizable real audience that already gives him more than enough income. But this isn't about that whole issue, since none of it is directly attributable or provable sadly, just about whether or not he is qualified to be featured. | ||
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ImDrizzt
Norway427 Posts
Which makes it weird, during the whole ordeal when the guy caught all the viewbots, he acted all confused, all surprised. But if he can verify and prove that there's not been any viewbots now. Isn't that really weird? | ||
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ProTech
United States433 Posts
On October 02 2015 13:22 ImDrizzt wrote: Did he show you the data on when he first started and the next 2 years. If it shows that he's been cheating for over a year, then stopped once caught, he shouldn't be allowed back on. Which makes it weird, during the whole ordeal when the guy caught all the viewbots, he acted all confused, all surprised. But if he can verify and prove that there's not been any viewbots now. Isn't that really weird? If you follow nickhots at all it's pretty apparent that the same thing goes on, on his channel. Really the bottom line is, there's no way to prove someone is viewerbotting their channel unless they're OK with showing their personal credit card / paypal transactions, which anyone with half brain would never do. I'd also like to make a point that my channel has never had this kind of stuff going on and to this day I still provide the numbers required to be featured. So I'd like to re-apply, for a featured spot. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On October 02 2015 13:45 ProTech wrote: If you follow nickhots at all it's pretty apparent that the same thing goes on, on his channel. Really the bottom line is, there's no way to prove someone is viewerbotting their channel unless they're OK with showing their personal credit card / paypal transactions, which anyone with half brain would never do. I'd also like to make a point that my channel has never had this kind of stuff going on and to this day I still provide the numbers required to be featured. So I'd like to re-apply, for a featured spot. It would be hard to say you meet the criteria based on the "general assholery" requirement they prohibit. | ||
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ProTech
United States433 Posts
On October 02 2015 14:01 FabledIntegral wrote: It would be hard to say you meet the criteria based on the "general assholery" requirement they prohibit. Pretty sure if they followed those guidelines, you wouldn't see destiny or avilo still featured. | ||
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
On October 02 2015 14:07 ProTech wrote: Pretty sure if they followed those guidelines, you wouldn't see destiny or avilo still featured. that doesnt mean you should be featured that means that none of you 3 should be featured | ||
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ProTech
United States433 Posts
On October 02 2015 14:11 BreakfastBurrito wrote: that doesnt mean you should be featured that means that none of you 3 should be featured But we all have the stream requirements to be featured. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
 (edit: turns out he doesnt stream sc anymore, so I don't see him, sorry) | ||
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