On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Life stumbled through the harder side of the bracket with luck and fromage.
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
I thought you're so big on win rates, how do you not know that his PvP win rate was better than his PvZ win rate since 2014?
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
I thought you're so big on win rates, how do you not know that his PvP win rate was better than his PvZ win rate since 2014?
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
I thought you're so big on win rates, how do you not know that his PvP win rate was better than his PvZ win rate since 2014?
So 62.07% is bigger than 64.06% and 65.32%?
I thought we only count offline vs Koreans. And by that metric his PvP was 65% in 2015 and his PvZ 61%. His PvP from 2014 to the end of HotS: 63.21%, PvZ: 61.48%.
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
I thought you're so big on win rates, how do you not know that his PvP win rate was better than his PvZ win rate since 2014?
So 62.07% is bigger than 64.06% and 65.32%?
I thought we only count offline vs Koreans. And by that metric his PvP was 65% in 2015 and his PvZ 61%. His PvP from 2014 to the end of HotS: 63.21%, PvZ: 61.48%.
I don't even know how you got any of those 3 numbers.
Those are his offline career win rate against P, Z, and T respectively.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
I thought you're so big on win rates, how do you not know that his PvP win rate was better than his PvZ win rate since 2014?
So 62.07% is bigger than 64.06% and 65.32%?
I thought we only count offline vs Koreans. And by that metric his PvP was 65% in 2015 and his PvZ 61%. His PvP from 2014 to the end of HotS: 63.21%, PvZ: 61.48%.
I don't even know how you got any of those 3 numbers.
Those are his career win rate against P, Z, and T respectively.
You just went and did life time win rates but those don't matter because his win rates were different every year. In 2013 his PvZ was his best matchup and PvT the worst. In 2014 his PvT was his best and PvP the worst. In 2015 his PvT was the best and PvZ the worst.
Not to mention that those include LotV and WoL games that are completely irrelevant for 2015 Blizzcon. So yeah, by career win rate his PvP is his worst matchup, but not by the factual basis of games played in Heart of the Swarm in the year 2015.
On May 29 2016 22:08 swissman777 wrote: [quote] I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
I thought you're so big on win rates, how do you not know that his PvP win rate was better than his PvZ win rate since 2014?
So 62.07% is bigger than 64.06% and 65.32%?
I thought we only count offline vs Koreans. And by that metric his PvP was 65% in 2015 and his PvZ 61%. His PvP from 2014 to the end of HotS: 63.21%, PvZ: 61.48%.
I don't even know how you got any of those 3 numbers.
Those are his career win rate against P, Z, and T respectively.
You just went and did life time win rates but those don't matter because his win rates were different every year. In 2013 his PvZ was his best matchup and PvT the worst. In 2014 his PvT was his best and PvP the worst. In 2015 his PvT was the best and PvZ the worst.
Not to mention that those include LotV and WoL games that are completely irrelevant for 2015 Blizzcon. So yeah, by career win rate his PvP is his worst matchup, but not by the factual basis of games played in Heart of the Swarm in the year 2015.
Well, Olli didn't say it was life time or only 2015 either. Besides, adjusting and adapting new version of SC2 quickly is also an ability that a top-tier should have, there is no excuse about that.
On May 29 2016 23:01 Alarak89 wrote: Besides, adjusting new version of SC2 quickly is also an ability that a top-tier should have, there is no excuse about that.
To your argument, then Zest is clearly the better player right now, as he adapted to this expansion better than the others by winning the GSL
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Lol with that kind of logic you can downtalk every tournament run. Zest beat a TaeJa way past his prime, barely won 2:1 against Journey (lol), advances from the 2nd groupstage vs two zergs who struggle in zvp in a protoss favored metagame, beat TaeJa again who stumbled to the quarterfinals through pure luck, beat Dear who played terrible on that day and finally teamkilled TY which doesn't say anything about skill because teamkills are always weird. not impressed
On May 29 2016 23:01 Alarak89 wrote: Besides, adjusting new version of SC2 quickly is also an ability that a top-tier should have, there is no excuse about that.
To your argument, then Zest is clearly the better player right now, as he adapted to this expansion better than the others by winning the GSL
"the better player" = "the last Titian"? I never say he is not "the better player" atm, but are two statement equivalent? Again, what did he do to adjust and to adapt during 2013 when WoL ended?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
I thought you're so big on win rates, how do you not know that his PvP win rate was better than his PvZ win rate since 2014?
So 62.07% is bigger than 64.06% and 65.32%?
I thought we only count offline vs Koreans. And by that metric his PvP was 65% in 2015 and his PvZ 61%. His PvP from 2014 to the end of HotS: 63.21%, PvZ: 61.48%.
I don't even know how you got any of those 3 numbers.
Those are his career win rate against P, Z, and T respectively.
You just went and did life time win rates but those don't matter because his win rates were different every year. In 2013 his PvZ was his best matchup and PvT the worst. In 2014 his PvT was his best and PvP the worst. In 2015 his PvT was the best and PvZ the worst.
Not to mention that those include LotV and WoL games that are completely irrelevant for 2015 Blizzcon. So yeah, by career win rate his PvP is his worst matchup, but not by the factual basis of games played in Heart of the Swarm in the year 2015.
Well, Olli didn't say it was life time or only 2015 either. Besides, adjusting and adapting new version of SC2 quickly is also an ability that a top-tier should have, there is no excuse about that.
You can infer he meant at the time because PartinG's worst matchup life time is PvZ.
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Compare that to Zest's most recent GSL for example. He beat every semifinalist, including the #2 protoss, the #2 zerg and the #3 terran. He beat Terrans #1 and #2 in Code A and in the finals. He literally crossed off every important name except Dark, who got himself eliminated earlier, decisively and without ever really breaking a sweat. This is a more impressive tournament win than sOs' Blizzcon. As was Zest's first GSL.
Sorry, PvP was sOs' weakest matchup as well, relatively. If his PvP is like his PvT and PvZ, he would dominate this game from two years ago.
No, it wasn't.
Again, check the data, no "imagination" please
I'm gonna end this conversation now. Every evaluation is subjective. So we'll just have to leave it at that. Your criteria are incomplete and really silly, as just demonstrated with lifetime winrate vs winrate in a certain time frame.
And on top of that, here's my entirely subjective final thought: I probably know more about protoss than you do, which is why I'm quite confident in my estimations and raw numbers, however twisted and distorted, won't change that.
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Lol with that kind of logic you can downtalk every tournament run. Zest beat a TaeJa way past his prime, barely won 2:1 against Journey (lol), advances from the 2nd groupstage vs two zergs who struggle in zvp in a protoss favored metagame, beat TaeJa again who stumbled to the quarterfinals through pure luck, beat Dear who played terrible on that day and finally teamkilled TY which doesn't say anything about skill because teamkills are always weird. not impressed
If you can find some arguments to support that then I'm all ears. But you probably can't.
On May 29 2016 21:48 Olli wrote: Just because something's labelled "World Championship" doesn't make it a more difficult tournament to win. It just sounds cool.
Good point, that's why the GSL is still one of the hardest if not the hardest tournament to win. And Zest has 3 of them
I would not count the third one as it was pretty short tournament and consisted of only eight players or sth. And who says that blizzcon wins are worse than GSLs? 2015 blizzcon alone consisted of zest, inno, classic, hero, maru, life, rain, parting, rogue etc... how more stacked can you be in a tournament?
Did sOs beat all those players?
Did zest beat all those players on the last GSL? And maru should not count as TvP match back then was pretty much P favored if I remember well. Also, sOs beat parting, rain, rogue and life in his 2015 blizzcon run. Why do you think that's not legitimate?
I do think it's legitimate. However: Parting and Rain both had PvP as their weakest matchup, while it was sOs' strongest. Rogue, in my book, wasn't an absolute top player and Life played very poorly at Blizzcon, yet somehow stumbled through with luck of his own.
Lol with that kind of logic you can downtalk every tournament run. Zest beat a TaeJa way past his prime, barely won 2:1 against Journey (lol), advances from the 2nd groupstage vs two zergs who struggle in zvp in a protoss favored metagame, beat TaeJa again who stumbled to the quarterfinals through pure luck, beat Dear who played terrible on that day and finally teamkilled TY which doesn't say anything about skill because teamkills are always weird. not impressed
If you can find some arguments to support that then I'm all ears. But you probably can't.
As you can't find any arguments how Life stumbled to the blizzcon finals through pure luck and a 5 time GSL/SSL ro8 players isn't an absolute top player.
EPT
