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The Most Loathsome PatchZergs of All Time

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33371 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 10:10:25
March 17 2016 18:01 GMT
#1

Trivial Rank:
The Most Loathsome PatchZergs of All Time




Welcome to the Trivial Rank, the power rank for things that don't actually matter.

Today, I'm offering a companion piece to stuchiu’s meticulously researched “Greatest Players of All Time.” It’s quite similar, with just a little twist: The players who made you put a fist through your monitor The most loathsome PatchZergs of all time. If you're too young to know what a PatchZerg is, just leave now and spare yourself a lot of horror.

Here are the criteria I looked at for the rankings.
  • Achievements as a PatchZerg.
  • Lack of achievements as a SadZerg.
  • Disgusting games that I can't erase from my memory, no matter how hard I try.
  • Bias.

Got it? Here we go.


#14 to #11: The almost redeemables



Not all PatchZergs were born evil. Some of them hit a rough patch in their lives, fell in with the wrong crowd, and did nasty things they came to regret. Most people have found it in their hearts to forgive and accept them. Those people are better human beings than me.

14: (Z)Leenock

Coming in at number fourteen is Leenock, who almost stayed off this list. Leenock is undoubtedly one of SC2's greats; he’s played in over a dozen Code S tournaments, won multiple championships around the world, and has been remarkably consistent over his six year career.

Yes, Leenock enjoyed a ton success during the BL-Infestor era, but unlike all the other scum on this ranking, he didn't need Brood Lord-Infestor for his greatest accomplishment: his championship run at MLG Providence 2011. There, in a pre-BL-Infestor meta, Leenock ran the open bracket gauntlet to claim the MLG title with his trademark, aggressive style.

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe Leenock is different from the others, and doesn't deserve to be listed...



Ugh, never mind.


#13: (Z)Symbol

Like Leenock, Symbol has had a long and successful career even without BL-Infestor. In fact, he’s one of the more creative and entertaining Zerg players we’ve seen in StarCraft 2; His expertise with Nydus Worms comes readily to mind.

Also like Leenock, Symbol was one of the most heinous BL-Infestor abusers in the entire world. Take a look at the most iconic, criminally evil PatchZerg games of all-time: many of them have Symbol’s name on it, signed in Protoss and Terran tears.




#12: (Z)VortiX

Due to his quiet demeanor and lack of interest in making headlines, VortiX is one of the most underrated pros in the foreign scene. But with consistently high placements in tournaments and numerous victories against top-tier Koreans, VortiX is undoubtedly one of the best foreigners to play StarCraft 2.

However, there’s no question that he was a PatchZerg during the best days of his career, which is a goddamn shame.




#11: (Z)Nerchio

I've always had a soft-spot for everyone’s “favorite” Polish progamer. His ability to use his part-time status to both insult his opponents in victory and make excuses in defeat never fails to make me laugh. By embracing—perhaps even enjoying—his role as a villain, Nerchio has made the European scene a more vibrant, entertaining place.

Oh, he’s had a really solid StarCraft 2 career as well.

However, there was that one time he almost beat Mvp at IEM Cologne using BL Infestor, so fuck this guy.





#10 to #4: World Championship Series, Class of 2012



When the World Championship Series was announced in 2012, it promised to be the salvation of the foreign scene. By holding grassroots tournaments at the regional level, WCS aimed to give realistic targets to aspiring pros across the world and uncover local heroes. The hardworking foreign progamers who had been crushed under the bootheels of Koreans would finally have a chance to shine.

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In reality, WCS 2012 ended up being the shitshow to end all PatchZerg shitshows. Korea was spared the plague due to the earlier scheduling of its qualifier. But in the rest of the world? The regional qualifiers taught us that years of practice and devotion didn’t matter against three months of learning BL-Infestor.


#10~8: cn (Z)Comm, au (Z)MaFia, and cl (Z)KiLLeR

Just as Oceania, Latin America and China often receive charity seeds in esports competitions, they get welfare spots on this list as well.


#7: (Z)ViBE

Did you know ViBE won the WCS 2012 USA championship, and is thus the last American player to ever win a major tournament? Did you know his highest placing in any other major tournament was Ro32? Incidentally, ViBE is the only player on this list by request.


#6: (Z)LoWeLy

Back in 2012, TL placed the Belarusian Zerg 23rd on the WCS Europe 2012 Power Rank. Lowely made a strong run to finish in the top eight and proceeded to mock the Power Rank in an on-air interview. Hey Lowely, how’s progaming working out for you lately?


#5: (Z)Ziktomini

I just wanted to remind everyone *cough* DeMuslim *cough* that Ziktomini existed.


#4: (Z)sLivko

Legend has it that Slivko continued playing Brood Lord-Infestor several months into HotS as the release of the expansion was delayed severely in his part of Russia. Of course, it’s almost certain that such a ridiculous story is completely made up. Right? RIGHT?




#3: The Master



(Z)RorO

Those who could tolerate watching 2013 GSL Season 1 (the final season played in Wings of Liberty) witnessed BL-Infestor in its final, most repugnant form. At the forefront was RorO, the last and greatest master of the dread composition.

As one of the KeSPA players who had transitioned to StarCraft 2 in 2012, RorO adapted much more quickly to the new game than his peers. In particular, he had an uncanny talent for the shadowy arts. By 2013, he had surpassed even the eSF Zergs who had honed their craft for years, and seized the final Wings of Liberty trophy with his foul, fungal grasp.

Though RorO was the player who played BL-Infestor the best, I can’t give him the #1 spot because he was actually a good player in other eras. He was a solid-but-inconsistent player for years in Brood War, and remained a top SC2 Zerg for a few months after HotS was released. He may even have gone on to be a champion again if he had not slowly lost interest and retired from progaming.




#2 to #1: The Legends



#2: (Z)JonnyREcco

Ah, JonnyRecco. In terms of games won, Terran/Protoss players eliminated, and injustices perpetrated, there are plenty of Zergs who should be more reviled.

Yet, no one embodies the idea of a PatchZerg as perfectly as JonnyRecco.

The sixteen year-old Zerg appeared from out of thin air in the summer of 2012 and grabbed our attention for a few short months. He arrived just in time to crash TeamLiquid Starleague 4, one of the most anticipated tournaments of the year. There, he scored a massive upset against NaNiwa (the #1 or #2 foreigner at the time) in the Ro32, and defeated MajOr (who was coming off an upset of his own against HyuN) in the Ro16. Even though he was eliminated by Korean Terran Keen in the quarter-finals, JonnyRecco had piqued everyone's interest.

Of course, if JonnyRecco had gone on to achieve success afterward, he wouldn’t be the legend, the meme he is today. Instead, by ruining TSL4, getting everyone's hopes up about a new foreign hope, and subsequently disappearing forever,* JonnyRecco became the immortal symbol of the PatchZerg.



*Yes, I'm fully aware he's played hundreds of tournaments games ever since.


#1: (Z)Sniper

This section was written by special guest stuchiu

I can say with absolute certainty that in the entirety of StarCraft 2, there never has been, nor will there ever be an entity of such pure evil as Sniper. Some may point to Maru banishing Myungsik to the shadow realm, or Choya’s infiltration of Prime in order to poach their best players for Team MVP. But when it comes to inflicting purely personal, emotional, and soul-rending pain, none have ever touched upon the greatness of Sniper.

Team SlayerS was one of the most beloved teams in SC2 history, but suffered the harsh fate of disbandment. On SlayerS' last night in the GSTL, it seemed that Yugioh would pull off a miracle and let them go out with a victory. But Sniper was having none of it. He went on to all-kill the Slayers team, in the process ending Brown’s whole career, starting Arthur's downward spiral into infinite sadness, and making Eve cry.

Sniper topped himself not long after when he faced Ryung in the Code S semi-finals in Las Vegas. Torturing Ryung until he screamed "IMBA" with his dying breath, Sniper killed off the dream of a TvZ GSL finals between Ryung and HyuN. Sniper proceeded to destroy the fan-favorite HyuN in a one-sided grand finals, sucking all the joy out of Las Vegas and replacing it with the bleakness of Atlantic City, New Jersey.



Not one to lay off the evil, Sniper even had the audacity to call out those who criticized him for being overrated and abusing BL-Infestor to conquer the GSL. Of course, he fell off a cliff the second BL-Infestor died, dropping out of Code S entirely and playing in just two Code A tournaments after.

These days, Sniper entertains himself by ruining Heroes of the Storm. Last year, he deceived the Chinese team DK into sponsoring his squad. Sniper's team then upset the presumptive Korean favorites MVP Black to win a trip to BlizzCon. Then, in the culmination of Sniper's master plan, Team DK lost to America's Cloud 9 at the 2015 World Championships, thus inflicting maximum humiliation on both Korea and China. Team DK subsequently withdrew their support, ruining any chance of a Korean team receiving a Chinese sponsorship in the future. [Wax: This may not be an entirely accurate account.]





Dishonorable mentions/almost made the cut



(Z)SortOf: I told you, this list is biased.

(Z)Suppy: Ditto

(Z)Sheth: Now that he plays Heroes of the Storm, is it okay to remind you guys that he was a PatchZerg?

(Z)Annyung: There’s not much to say about Annyung; I just wanted an excuse to mention this game:



(Z)Stephano: One of the most loathsome things about PatchZergs was that they were imitators and not innovators. That’s not a critique you can make about Stephano. The debauched genius laid the very foundations for BL-Infestor himself, pioneering the Zergling-Infestor style that would later evolve into something far more sinister.

While some might say this incriminates Stephano, I think he deserves a pass. When Stephano developed the lingfestor style, he was just trying to find innovative ways to win. That was the same kind of attitude that led to his Hydra-Roach style of ZvT and Roach-max in ZvP. Both strategies were effective, but neither was game-breaking.

But those guys who copied BL-Infestor after they knew it was overpowered? Every single one of them was literally trying to kill StarCraft 2.





Thanks for reading! Feel free to tell us how much we suck at: [image loading]SaintSnorlax and [image loading]TLstuchiu

And if you're reading this Slivko, please don't hurt us.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 20:27:28
March 17 2016 18:04 GMT
#2
If I sign up for the Sniper fan club, would Stuchiu just instaban me? :O
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2016 18:08 GMT
#3
Bans from the Sniper fan club work differently from all other places. People only get banned if your banning somehow increase the amount of evil in the universe.

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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 17 2016 18:08 GMT
#4
why is JonnyRecco above Ziktomini? Jonny had alright showins in HotS in online cups and WCS qualies, but Ziktomini literally retired the moment BL/infestor ceased its existence.
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
March 17 2016 18:13 GMT
#5
On March 18 2016 03:08 stuchiu wrote:
Bans from the Sniper fan club work differently from all other places. People only get banned if your banning somehow increase the amount of evil in the universe.



Sniper is the entropic evil.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
March 17 2016 18:13 GMT
#6
this is a beautiful piece
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 17 2016 18:14 GMT
#7
Life was a patchzerg when it really mattered
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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
March 17 2016 18:14 GMT
#8
bahaha (Z)Ziktomini, almost forgot about him!

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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 18:15:11
March 17 2016 18:14 GMT
#9
On March 18 2016 03:13 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:08 stuchiu wrote:
Bans from the Sniper fan club work differently from all other places. People only get banned if your banning somehow increase the amount of evil in the universe.



Sniper is the entropic evil.


Think about it this way. Sniper is the kind of guy who would deny an art student acceptance and force said student to possibly become a dictator.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15943 Posts
March 17 2016 18:14 GMT
#10
Sadly I missed the BL/Infestor era because I started following the pro-scene with HotS release but some of those games certainly look fun.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2016 18:16 GMT
#11
On March 18 2016 03:14 lichter wrote:
Life was a patchzerg when it really mattered


Pretty much.

When it came down to it, when he actually faced elimination he used bl/infestor like every patchzerg.
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IeZaeL
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
March 17 2016 18:16 GMT
#12
Man I miss getting angry while watching slivko games. Anybody knows where he is gone ?
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HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
March 17 2016 18:16 GMT
#13
best TL article in years. short, to the point, and brutally honest. my least favs are def vortix and nerchio because one of my favorite sc2 moments is when each of their smug faces got eliminated by MVP at IEM when it seemed like no terran had a chance. I remember vortix's face when mvp pushed into his BL infestor army on the east platform of that one vertical 2 player map. that face was priceless.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
March 17 2016 18:17 GMT
#14
I'm so happy Nerchio is on this list.

I really, truly, despise the guy.
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
March 17 2016 18:17 GMT
#15
Oh, and SO TRUE about Roro and SNiper.

Just thinking about those guys made me mad.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 18:19:24
March 17 2016 18:18 GMT
#16
God I miss Sniper. Fuck Life, bring Sniper back!

Edit: also dat liquid-bias... where the hell is Snute??? I remember the outcries when he won HSC!!!
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
March 17 2016 18:19 GMT
#17
I had no idea jonnyrecco was still competing until this list.
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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
March 17 2016 18:22 GMT
#18
This list is clearly bullshit; Taeja isn't in the top 3...
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 17 2016 18:23 GMT
#19
Pretty accurate top 10. I would not consider any of 14-11 patchzergs, since they also did really well before and/or after BL-Infestor.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
March 17 2016 18:24 GMT
#20
I had the bless of not being a Starcraft fan during the BL-infestor era. And I had a lot of fun reading this article :D Well done TL!

When is the PatchToss one coming?

And I'm very curious how you will manage to write the PatchTerran list to finish the series without getting a lot of flak for incriminating the immaculate race.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 17 2016 18:25 GMT
#21
On March 18 2016 03:18 Big J wrote:
God I miss Sniper. Fuck Life, bring Sniper back!

Edit: also dat liquid-bias... where the hell is Snute??? I remember the outcries when he won HSC!!!


Player that still have results without BL-Infestor should not be on the list. It's not like Life didn't play BL-Infestor.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 17 2016 18:25 GMT
#22
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 17 2016 18:26 GMT
#23
On March 18 2016 03:25 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:18 Big J wrote:
God I miss Sniper. Fuck Life, bring Sniper back!

Edit: also dat liquid-bias... where the hell is Snute??? I remember the outcries when he won HSC!!!


Player that still have results without BL-Infestor should not be on the list. It's not like Life didn't play BL-Infestor.


If I can trust in one thing in these matters it is LR thread comments. Snute is a patchzerg.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 18:33:15
March 17 2016 18:27 GMT
#24
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking

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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 18:30:03
March 17 2016 18:29 GMT
#25
How do you have an article about evil sniper and not include the burning Christmas tree photo? I wonder if I even still have it....
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
March 17 2016 18:30 GMT
#26
On March 18 2016 03:19 Heyoka wrote:
I had no idea jonnyrecco was still competing until this list.

He beat the (confirmed Patchtoss) Dreamhack Leipzig champion in the qualifiers for Katowice.

Also, came here only to read about Harstem's favorite player JonnyREcco.
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chiasmus
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States134 Posts
March 17 2016 18:31 GMT
#27
On March 18 2016 03:29 chipmonklord17 wrote:
How do you have an article about evil sniper and not include the burning Christmas tree photo? I wonder if I even still have it....


Seriously! I can't find it anywhere and it's my favorite thing about his entire career.
bjornkavist
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1235 Posts
March 17 2016 18:31 GMT
#28
Lol I remember those Sad Sniper moments, this article is top comedy
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
March 17 2016 18:32 GMT
#29
On March 18 2016 03:31 chiasmus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:29 chipmonklord17 wrote:
How do you have an article about evil sniper and not include the burning Christmas tree photo? I wonder if I even still have it....


Seriously! I can't find it anywhere and it's my favorite thing about his entire career.

Just give it a few, stuchiu will post it when he gets around to it.
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
March 17 2016 18:32 GMT
#30
On March 18 2016 03:31 chiasmus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:29 chipmonklord17 wrote:
How do you have an article about evil sniper and not include the burning Christmas tree photo? I wonder if I even still have it....


Seriously! I can't find it anywhere and it's my favorite thing about his entire career.


Go through stuchiu's twitter time line, it pops up there quite regularly!
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 17 2016 18:33 GMT
#31
We now need a list of the most disgusting 1/1/1 terrans. Obviously puma is 1st by far
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
March 17 2016 18:33 GMT
#32
On March 18 2016 03:32 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:31 chiasmus wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:29 chipmonklord17 wrote:
How do you have an article about evil sniper and not include the burning Christmas tree photo? I wonder if I even still have it....


Seriously! I can't find it anywhere and it's my favorite thing about his entire career.

Just give it a few, stuchiu will post it when he gets around to it.


I'm pretty sure stuchiu has been my source for that picture every time I need it. Somehow I always forget to save it for myself
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2016 18:33 GMT
#33
On March 18 2016 03:32 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:31 chiasmus wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:29 chipmonklord17 wrote:
How do you have an article about evil sniper and not include the burning Christmas tree photo? I wonder if I even still have it....


Seriously! I can't find it anywhere and it's my favorite thing about his entire career.

Just give it a few, stuchiu will post it when he gets around to it.


[image loading]
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 17 2016 18:34 GMT
#34
I wonder what that Annyung game is, I can't remember him ever playing any notable games
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
March 17 2016 18:36 GMT
#35
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur


You'd think there'd be more of those but somehow the guys that started doing well during the blink era turned out to be mostly legit.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 17 2016 18:37 GMT
#36
On March 18 2016 03:36 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur


You'd think there'd be more of those but somehow the guys that started doing well during the blink era turned out to be mostly legit.


Yeah. Stardust, duckdeok, San, dat dude that made flash sell his bunkers... :D
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 17 2016 18:38 GMT
#37
On March 18 2016 03:37 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:36 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur


You'd think there'd be more of those but somehow the guys that started doing well during the blink era turned out to be mostly legit.


Yeah. Stardust, duckdeok, San, dat dude that made flash sell his bunkers... :D

Billowy was a god

also you forgot Paralyze, the king of 2cm recall
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Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 18:42:24
March 17 2016 18:39 GMT
#38
But Snipers execution was absolutely fantastic with BL infestor.

Btw just sped watched the game vs Ryung, game 5 at IPL5. Ryung lost to an aggressive 3 base speed bane, attack at the 3rd.

Lost majority of army, to an infestor flank, and 19 Scvs. Mining prevented from 3rd for another min or so. He was dead, Sniper just used BL Infestor to say GTFO.

https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=FicM3rqT7SM (connect both parts)

Also its not like Ryung set the world on fire with his ever so apparent skill, after BL infestor, He was very mediocre. BL infestor was in fact "IMBA" but that's not why Ryung lost.

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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
March 17 2016 18:40 GMT
#39
What a shit article, you wasted 5 minutes of my time
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
March 17 2016 18:41 GMT
#40
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.

The problem with this is that Protoss has always been OP, and therefore any Protoss who has been successful is already a Patchtoss. Therefore there is no need for a list.
/s
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 17 2016 18:41 GMT
#41
Sniper gets unfairly discredited, he was legitimately good and one of the few people playing muta/ling/bane the during BL/infestor era
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 18:43:03
March 17 2016 18:42 GMT
#42
On March 18 2016 03:37 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:36 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur


You'd think there'd be more of those but somehow the guys that started doing well during the blink era turned out to be mostly legit.


Yeah. Stardust, duckdeok, San, dat dude that made flash sell his bunkers... :D

duckdeok was already approaching retirement/retiring by the time the blink era really got started. And I did say mostly, so I got exceptions covered.
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
March 17 2016 18:43 GMT
#43
On March 18 2016 03:40 Nerchio wrote:
What a shit article, you wasted 5 minutes of my time

I can't second that!
5/5 would read again!
And I think that you should move Nerchio up one or two spots...
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 18:50:58
March 17 2016 18:44 GMT
#44
Actually, now that I think about it, maybe Leenock is different from the others, and doesn't deserve to be listed.


No he doens't. He was the best zerg in the world after Nestea started slumping mid 2011.

There is a severe lack of Goswer. 3-0'ing MVP, never forget that.
I also think Hyun should be there. Late 2012 he was a candidate for best player in the world. Throughout all HOTS he was the definition of mediocricity (relative to koreans). At least he makes more sense than someone like Nerchio and Vortix.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 18:54:41
March 17 2016 18:45 GMT
#45
On March 18 2016 03:38 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:37 Big J wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:36 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur


You'd think there'd be more of those but somehow the guys that started doing well during the blink era turned out to be mostly legit.


Yeah. Stardust, duckdeok, San, dat dude that made flash sell his bunkers... :D

Billowy was a god

also you forgot Paralyze, the king of 2cm recall

I think Scarlett should also be on the Patchtoss list. Also Goody because a patch was literally the reason he's playing Protoss.
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Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
March 17 2016 18:49 GMT
#46
On March 18 2016 03:44 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
Actually, now that I think about it, maybe Leenock is different from the others, and doesn't deserve to be listed.


No he doens't. He was the best zerg in the world after Nestea started slumping mid 2011.

There is a severe lack of Goswer. 3-0'ing MVP, never forget that.


I'm an avid Leenock fan, and agree given the totality of his work it isn't warranted. Hes been no worse than a 2nd tier Kr zerg his whole career.

However i will admit in the BL infestor era, Leenock abused it and abused it with great execution.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 18:53:38
March 17 2016 18:52 GMT
#47
On March 18 2016 03:49 Cyanocyst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:44 Hider wrote:
Actually, now that I think about it, maybe Leenock is different from the others, and doesn't deserve to be listed.


No he doens't. He was the best zerg in the world after Nestea started slumping mid 2011.

There is a severe lack of Goswer. 3-0'ing MVP, never forget that.


I'm an avid Leenock fan, and agree given the totality of his work it isn't warranted. Hes been no worse than a 2nd tier Kr zerg his whole career.

However i will admit in the BL infestor era, Leenock abused it and abused it with great execution.


Well if the "abuse it" criteria is the most relevant one, I put Scarlett as by far the number 1. She had the most lame slowpushed Broodlord style, and had literraly only played Sc2 for 1-1½ years before she began beating koreans. I think she actually was terrible during most of 2012 but improved a ton so she actually was legit in early HOTS and continued to improve afterwards.

What about Idra? He looked decent in 2012, but absolutely atrocious in early HOTS and retired shortly after.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 17 2016 18:54 GMT
#48
On March 18 2016 03:49 Cyanocyst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:44 Hider wrote:
Actually, now that I think about it, maybe Leenock is different from the others, and doesn't deserve to be listed.


No he doens't. He was the best zerg in the world after Nestea started slumping mid 2011.

There is a severe lack of Goswer. 3-0'ing MVP, never forget that.


I'm an avid Leenock fan, and agree given the totality of his work it isn't warranted. Hes been no worse than a 2nd tier Kr zerg his whole career.

However i will admit in the BL infestor era, Leenock abused it and abused it with great execution.


Well, obviously you want to win.
And also, there was no alternative to BL/Infestor. 15 damage ultralisks against marines? Fighting Protoss on the ground? Of course everyone always went BL/Infestor.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
March 17 2016 18:58 GMT
#49
Damn. I think this list is more accurate than the previous greatest of all time lists.
JeffKim
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Korea (South)36 Posts
March 17 2016 19:02 GMT
#50
Where's viOLet?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 19:10:26
March 17 2016 19:08 GMT
#51
Life - less patchzerg, but more loathsome (if allegations are true)

On March 18 2016 03:41 Olli wrote:
Sniper gets unfairly discredited, he was legitimately good and one of the few people playing muta/ling/bane the during BL/infestor era


Get out of here with your logic - like a Donald Trump rally, this thread is for pitch-forking and blind anger :p
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
March 17 2016 19:09 GMT
#52
Sniper, one of the forgotten GSL champions still can't catch a break.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 17 2016 19:11 GMT
#53
On March 18 2016 04:09 DSK wrote:
Sniper, one of the forgotten GSL champions still can't catch a break.


Noone has forgotten him. He is in our hearts and will be there, always!
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
March 17 2016 19:15 GMT
#54
On March 18 2016 04:11 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 04:09 DSK wrote:
Sniper, one of the forgotten GSL champions still can't catch a break.


Noone has forgotten him. He is in our hearts and will be there, always!


I feel like RorO or Seed are the most forgotten GSL champs. Not necessarily forgotten as players but the fact that either are actually GSL champions.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2016 19:15 GMT
#55
On March 18 2016 04:09 DSK wrote:
Sniper, one of the forgotten GSL champions still can't catch a break.


By the time I'm done he and Mvp will be the only GSL Champions anyone will remember.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
March 17 2016 19:18 GMT
#56
But none of them fixed any matches

as far as we know
I Protoss winner, could it be?
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 17 2016 19:19 GMT
#57
On March 18 2016 04:15 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 04:09 DSK wrote:
Sniper, one of the forgotten GSL champions still can't catch a break.


By the time I'm done he and Mvp will be the only GSL Champions anyone will remember.

I say we just try to forget about L**e.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
March 17 2016 19:19 GMT
#58
I think Waxangel gets his ideas from the Automated Ban List.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 17 2016 19:23 GMT
#59
On March 18 2016 04:19 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 04:15 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 04:09 DSK wrote:
Sniper, one of the forgotten GSL champions still can't catch a break.


By the time I'm done he and Mvp will be the only GSL Champions anyone will remember.

I say we just try to forget about L**e.

I'll never forget SuHoSin
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 17 2016 19:27 GMT
#60
I expected the list to be almost all foreigners with Roro and Sniper at the top because foreigners can never top Koreans even on a list like this. Was not disappointed.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 19:32:28
March 17 2016 19:28 GMT
#61
On March 18 2016 04:15 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 04:11 Big J wrote:
On March 18 2016 04:09 DSK wrote:
Sniper, one of the forgotten GSL champions still can't catch a break.


Noone has forgotten him. He is in our hearts and will be there, always!


I feel like RorO or Seed are the most forgotten GSL champs. Not necessarily forgotten as players but the fact that either are actually GSL champions.

I think the most forgotten GSL champion is soO. Not even he remembers.

Edit: and god damn it... how could I miss and not comment on that Hitler joke. I've got so much to say about art "students".
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 17 2016 19:29 GMT
#62
On March 18 2016 03:14 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:13 Ragnarork wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:08 stuchiu wrote:
Bans from the Sniper fan club work differently from all other places. People only get banned if your banning somehow increase the amount of evil in the universe.



Sniper is the entropic evil.


Think about it this way. Sniper is the kind of guy who would deny an art student acceptance and force said student to possibly become a dictator.

I mean I would also deny art students acceptance if I feel if they didn't match the stature required..
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 17 2016 19:32 GMT
#63
Wait are we allowed to call people patch zergs now? That was mod actionable for like 2 years
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
March 17 2016 19:35 GMT
#64
On March 18 2016 04:32 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wait are we allowed to call people patch zergs now? That was mod actionable for like 2 years

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Carminedust
Profile Joined October 2014
487 Posts
March 17 2016 19:35 GMT
#65
this article made me laugh so hard with how the descriptions of all the BL/infestor abusers guess that is the only way to react to such a horrid era of sc2
Maybe was Zoun only Fan before he retired idk
Masada714
Profile Joined March 2011
United States89 Posts
March 17 2016 19:39 GMT
#66
My first thought when reading this article was, where are the people who used Swarm Hosts. I think they are even more despised then the BL/Infestor era. I hated watching those games with a passion.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 17 2016 19:41 GMT
#67
On March 18 2016 04:39 Masada714 wrote:
My first thought when reading this article was, where are the people who used Swarm Hosts. I think they are even more despised then the BL/Infestor era. I hated watching those games with a passion.

Mana vs. Firecake? Yeah. That was dumb, too.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2016 19:43 GMT
#68
While SH is as hated, Zergs weren't nearly as successful as the bl/infestor zergs.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 17 2016 19:47 GMT
#69
Didn't Swarm Hosts ruin a lot of PASSION though? And isn't PASSIONCRIME truly the most despicable of crimes?
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 17 2016 19:49 GMT
#70
On March 18 2016 04:47 IntoTheheart wrote:
Didn't Swarm Hosts ruin a lot of PASSION though? And isn't PASSIONCRIME truly the most despicable of crimes?

viewer numbers were the highest during SH games. numbers dont lie
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2016 19:49 GMT
#71
On March 18 2016 04:47 IntoTheheart wrote:
Didn't Swarm Hosts ruin a lot of PASSION though? And isn't PASSIONCRIME truly the most despicable of crimes?


MaNa vs Firecake one of the most watched VoDs of all time.

Sow as Stephano vs Petreaus.

By pure numbers they were probably saving passion.
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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
March 17 2016 19:53 GMT
#72
Patch toss : duckdeok and pigbaby

Patch terrans : MKP and MVP

(runs aways as fast as he can)
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 17 2016 19:55 GMT
#73
On March 18 2016 04:49 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 04:47 IntoTheheart wrote:
Didn't Swarm Hosts ruin a lot of PASSION though? And isn't PASSIONCRIME truly the most despicable of crimes?


MaNa vs Firecake one of the most watched VoDs of all time.

Sow as Stephano vs Petreaus.

By pure numbers they were probably saving passion.


Passion of the viewers, what about the players?
kiss kiss fall in love
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2641 Posts
March 17 2016 19:55 GMT
#74
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking



What about TOP? He reached a GSL finals, got bitch slaped by Mvp and then fell super hard.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 19:57:59
March 17 2016 19:57 GMT
#75
Marineking wasn't a patchterran imo, he was always ok if people let him play to his strengths, regardless of what patch it was.

As for Mvp, just no D:
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 17 2016 19:58 GMT
#76
On March 18 2016 04:55 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking



What about TOP? He reached a GSL finals, got bitch slaped by Mvp and then fell super hard.

Isn't that also Squirtle?
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bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
March 17 2016 19:58 GMT
#77
missing Snute in this list
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 17 2016 19:59 GMT
#78
On March 18 2016 04:55 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 04:49 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 04:47 IntoTheheart wrote:
Didn't Swarm Hosts ruin a lot of PASSION though? And isn't PASSIONCRIME truly the most despicable of crimes?


MaNa vs Firecake one of the most watched VoDs of all time.

Sow as Stephano vs Petreaus.

By pure numbers they were probably saving passion.


Passion of the viewers, what about the players?

Naniwa retired when people found an answer to void ray/chargelot/templar, I can't complain
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 17 2016 20:00 GMT
#79
On March 18 2016 04:58 bypLy wrote:
missing Snute in this list


Snute actually played mostly super aggressive midgame stuff back then, not BL/infestor
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Vlad_Slymor
Profile Joined December 2015
France26 Posts
March 17 2016 20:00 GMT
#80
Awesome list!

But where is good ol' Goswser?
He did 3-0 MVP out of Ironsquid 2...
WellCrap
Profile Joined July 2012
Sweden122 Posts
March 17 2016 20:04 GMT
#81
I always hated that sniper vs ryung game. Its essentially over at 12-13 minutes when terran is floating 1.2k minerals.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 17 2016 20:04 GMT
#82
I really enjoyed the BL/infestor era and I always looked forward to SH games. The concept that there is a difficult problem (for the non-Z part of the equation) that people are gradually trying to solve, is quite appealing, in particular if you watch a lot of games. Surely, it produced some boring games, but a lot of them was people stubbornly refusing to try something new and doing instead the same old styles that were bound to fail. All the "meching" terrans doing tank pushes only to meet BLs were quite a pathetic sight. SH games were sometimes outright hilarious and the whole thing where people would basically use ever single place on the map to mine, build something or just fight, was also interesting.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
March 17 2016 20:07 GMT
#83
I think destiny could be on this list. I remember him streaming and beating korean terrans like bomber with bl/infestor on ladder.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33371 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 20:17:01
March 17 2016 20:16 GMT
#84
I'm glad everyone is affirming their love for this game through their hated of other people.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
March 17 2016 20:17 GMT
#85
Stephano should be in the #1.

Not only he created the Winfestor/GGlord, but also he created the monster that was the turtle SH style.

Stephano killed esports, but we are just too blind to admit it
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plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
March 17 2016 20:19 GMT
#86
On March 18 2016 05:16 Waxangel wrote:
I'm glad everyone is affirming their love for this game through their hated of other people.

Don't hate the playa, hate the game. Literally.
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2385 Posts
March 17 2016 20:20 GMT
#87
where am i T_T
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 17 2016 20:23 GMT
#88
On March 18 2016 05:20 Scarlett` wrote:
where am i T_T

none of your business
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
March 17 2016 20:27 GMT
#89
Best TL article I've read in a while. Mad props.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
March 17 2016 20:32 GMT
#90
On March 18 2016 05:20 Scarlett` wrote:
where am i T_T

Probably top 5?
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
March 17 2016 20:35 GMT
#91
Thanks to some higher being that I started watching and playing Starcraft II in mid 2013 after WCS Season 2 Finals (the grand final was my first SC II game i watched) and made the switch from Warcraft III to Starcraft not earlier.

Every one of these Brofestor games looks horrible and it is always the perfect example of why I am a critic of blizzards apporach of balance.
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growlizing
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway122 Posts
March 17 2016 20:40 GMT
#92
On March 18 2016 05:00 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 04:58 bypLy wrote:
missing Snute in this list


Snute actually played mostly super aggressive midgame stuff back then, not BL/infestor


Yes, and he didn't win all that much
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
March 17 2016 20:41 GMT
#93
Great article. Err... thanks for the memories? I miss the comic villain that was Sniper though. Nobody now reaches that level of anti-fandom and it can be fun to root against someone.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 17 2016 20:43 GMT
#94
I immediately checked where JonnyREcco was. I wasn't disappointed. That powerranking is one of the most accurate a TL writer has done, ironically enough.
Zode
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada297 Posts
March 17 2016 20:44 GMT
#95
Speaking of blord/inf era, I was trying find a vod for my friend of scarlett vs korean zerg on atlantis(i think), Game goes super late free unit wars, anyone have a link for it? Thanks!
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 17 2016 20:45 GMT
#96
So in two years will we get a power ranking on the legacy of the patch zerg?
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
March 17 2016 20:46 GMT
#97
On March 18 2016 05:17 Apoteosis wrote:
Stephano should be in the #1.

Not only he created the Winfestor/GGlord, but also he created the monster that was the turtle SH style.

Stephano killed esports, but we are just too blind to admit it


I wasn't paying attention to the Starcraft scene during HOTS...what was the initial community feedback to Swarm Hosts? I can't imagine anyone thought the unit was a good idea when it was introduced, but obviously hindsight is biased.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 17 2016 20:48 GMT
#98
On March 18 2016 05:46 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 05:17 Apoteosis wrote:
Stephano should be in the #1.

Not only he created the Winfestor/GGlord, but also he created the monster that was the turtle SH style.

Stephano killed esports, but we are just too blind to admit it


I wasn't paying attention to the Starcraft scene during HOTS...what was the initial community feedback to Swarm Hosts? I can't imagine anyone thought the unit was a good idea when it was introduced, but obviously hindsight is biased.


The initial feedback to HotS was that Zerg was getting all the fun stuff, Terran got absolutely nothing after the Warhound removal and until shortly before beta ended noone even knew what Protoss would end up with.
Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
March 17 2016 20:51 GMT
#99
On March 18 2016 05:45 Jaaaaasper wrote:
So in two years will we get a power ranking on the legacy of the patch zerg?

Need one on HotS blink-tosses first
fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
March 17 2016 20:51 GMT
#100
My favorite part has to be the segment about how Sniper was also ruining the Heroes scene hahahahahaha
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Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
March 17 2016 20:52 GMT
#101
I started sc2 during this era as zerg,
Never fucking knew it existed till after the fact. Always saw "Pros" go BL/Infestor but i thought it was lame and just did Hydra/roach over and over again
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 17 2016 20:54 GMT
#102
Amusingly, I don't remember much from this era at all. This was around the time of Blizzard's botched launch of Diablo 3. However, whenever I was deciding whether to watch SC2 or do another Azmodan run or check the AH again, either Azmodan or the AH won. I think my mind is still subconsciously erasing memories of games during this time.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 17 2016 20:55 GMT
#103
screw symbol
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 17 2016 20:58 GMT
#104
On March 18 2016 05:46 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 05:17 Apoteosis wrote:
Stephano should be in the #1.

Not only he created the Winfestor/GGlord, but also he created the monster that was the turtle SH style.

Stephano killed esports, but we are just too blind to admit it


I wasn't paying attention to the Starcraft scene during HOTS...what was the initial community feedback to Swarm Hosts? I can't imagine anyone thought the unit was a good idea when it was introduced, but obviously hindsight is biased.


Opinion on SH was pretty evenly split. Some people instantly looked at "free units" and called the unit atrocious. Others, including Artosis and myself, thought it had lots of potential.

I still hold that the concept of free units doesn't HAVE to end up shitty.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 17 2016 21:01 GMT
#105
I remember the HotS beta launch party when Rotti and friends triend SHs for the first time and literally could not believe the damage locusts do
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8231 Posts
March 17 2016 21:04 GMT
#106
Lol oh man. I don't know half of those players. It's like they all disappeared because they couldn't succeed in a broken game.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 17 2016 21:05 GMT
#107
On March 18 2016 06:04 geokilla wrote:
Lol oh man. I don't know half of those players. It's like they all disappeared because they couldn't succeed in a broken game.


One could say that it was because they couldn't succeed once the game stopped being broken
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17671 Posts
March 17 2016 21:08 GMT
#108
this is great lol

Sniper proceeded to destroy the fan-favorite HyuN in a one-sided grand finals

Wait, what? That was an awesome finals.
"Expert" mods4ever.com
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
March 17 2016 21:09 GMT
#109
'Sniper topped himself '

This sentence did not go where I thought it was going!
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atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1710 Posts
March 17 2016 21:10 GMT
#110
On March 18 2016 06:08 Die4Ever wrote:
this is great lol

Show nested quote +
Sniper proceeded to destroy the fan-favorite HyuN in a one-sided grand finals

Wait, what? That was an awesome finals.


yeah, seed-mc awesome!!!!!
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
March 17 2016 21:11 GMT
#111
On March 18 2016 06:08 Die4Ever wrote:
this is great lol

Show nested quote +
Sniper proceeded to destroy the fan-favorite HyuN in a one-sided grand finals

Wait, what? That was an awesome finals.

Bias is clearly listed in the criteria
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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
March 17 2016 21:18 GMT
#112
Oh shit I didn't remember Sniper existed. Best sc2 villain since Idra. The text about him is genius lol
Revolutionist fan
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8231 Posts
March 17 2016 21:23 GMT
#113
On March 18 2016 06:18 Salteador Neo wrote:
Oh shit I didn't remember Sniper existed. Best sc2 villain since Idra. The text about him is genius lol


That pun.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
March 17 2016 21:29 GMT
#114
On March 18 2016 05:20 Scarlett` wrote:
where am i T_T

Top 3 Patchtoss I'd say.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33371 Posts
March 17 2016 21:53 GMT
#115
On March 18 2016 05:20 Scarlett` wrote:
where am i T_T


I have a draft for you D:
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12839 Posts
March 17 2016 22:05 GMT
#116
Where is Minirazer, the guy was a bad copycat of Stephano
WriterMaru
DonDomingo
Profile Joined October 2015
504 Posts
March 17 2016 22:10 GMT
#117
fun read

while memes and legends are often times much more interesting than the boring trivialities of reality, I'll shed some light on what actually happened to the Scotish lad "JonnyREcco" if anyone's interested:

+ Show Spoiler +
Inspired by watching Stephano's stream (way back when he was playing on god-awful maps like Typhon Peaks against god-awful players like Sjow), Paul went to the ladder to have a go at emulating his fellow Zerg's playstyle and timings. A lot of time on his hands, Paul got decent at it, hit gm, started playing tournaments, starting making a name for himself - but attributing his Fall from Grace to him abusing Zerg is far from the whole truth. What happened was that he became complacent with what he had done for himself and wasn't willing to put in serious practice to keep improving - that and the real life distractions of a young boy hanging out with his friends.
Source: I used to coach/mentor him till we started drifting away from each other when he got too full of himself and I got fed up with him being complacent
BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
March 17 2016 22:11 GMT
#118
any Zerg that unironically made roaches in WoL/hots TvZ is a patchzerg through and through

bonus points if they were high ranked in ladder but never placed in tournaments
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BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
March 17 2016 22:13 GMT
#119
goswer kane every other eurozerg

I guess every other NA Zerg too but they're more tryhardzergs
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2016 22:14 GMT
#120
Oh additional Patchtoss: ABomb
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
March 17 2016 22:21 GMT
#121
#1 PatchTerran is obviously MKP. I think we can directly correlate bunker build time with how successful he was.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 17 2016 22:22 GMT
#122
On March 18 2016 07:11 BeStFAN wrote:
any Zerg that unironically made roaches in WoL/hots TvZ is a patchzerg through and through

bonus points if they were high ranked in ladder but never placed in tournaments


Foreign zergs generally gravitate more to this style of play. Patchzergs, SH-turtle, all the most cancerous zerg playstyles are foreign. I blame Idra and beta-WoL to early WoL zergs.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 17 2016 22:26 GMT
#123
"CONGRATS YOU PLAY ZERG"
lol. Naniwa was the Idra of Protoss
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 17 2016 22:30 GMT
#124
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


ur joking right? Flash?
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Jintoss
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 22:36:17
March 17 2016 22:35 GMT
#125
Why is Snute not mentioned? TL bias much?
We are the blades of Aiur
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 17 2016 22:35 GMT
#126
On March 18 2016 07:30 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


ur joking right? Flash?

1 of the 2 times he reached ro16 in GSL, it was on the back of thor/hellbat and Nimbus
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 22:45:54
March 17 2016 22:38 GMT
#127
On March 18 2016 07:35 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 07:30 Bill Murray wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


ur joking right? Flash?

1 of the 2 times he reached ro16 in GSL, it was on the back of thor/hellbat and Nimbus

He played only 1 game on Nimbus that season. That's the reason he didn't get to the Ro8.

He also made the Ro16 4 times

Though it's rather undeniable that when he was looking really good in 2013 it was quite hellbatish. Then again everyone was using hellbats like crazy back then. Zergs were wishing neural parasite was better so they could mass hellbats themselves. In 2015 his best results were based on mech (hellbats again?!) and the best TvP of his SC2 career (however that happend).
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 22:43:57
March 17 2016 22:43 GMT
#128
On March 18 2016 07:30 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


ur joking right? Flash?


I dont actually hold negative connotations with the word PatchTerran like I do with MarineKing.

In Flash's case all of his big successes came off of meta shifts where the standard Terran meta was more favorable against other races.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15943 Posts
March 17 2016 22:45 GMT
#129
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2016 22:46 GMT
#130
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
March 17 2016 22:47 GMT
#131
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

Yeah I wish he stopped being good at some point. But nope, had to stay top 3 Terran the entire time.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15943 Posts
March 17 2016 22:47 GMT
#132
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 22:53:13
March 17 2016 22:50 GMT
#133
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?

It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence.

It wasn't atrocious like some of the players on this list, but they kinda fit the definition of Patchterran anyway. And stu said he didn't mean it in a negative way (except for MarineKing).
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15943 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 22:55:08
March 17 2016 22:53 GMT
#134
On March 18 2016 07:50 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?

It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence.

INnoVation was the only terran who was in a GSL finals for all of HotS (and he did it 3 times) and 1 out of 2 terrans who won a premier tournament in 2015. There are hardly players who deserve the term patch"something" less than him.

if the meta looked good for terran when he won it was because he made the meta look favorable for terran
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 22:54:27
March 17 2016 22:54 GMT
#135
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?


The only meta that was bad for Inno that he did well in briefly was BL/infestor.

Flash/Inno peak in 2013 coincided with Hellbat and MMMM. Once those fell off he got beat by duckdeok.

Flash/Inno peak in 2014 coincided with the buff of thors, rebuff of mines, and nerf of Blink Era. They fall after Zerg/Protoss get used to meta.

Flash/Inno peak in 2015 coincided with nerf of SH, rise of mech.
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
March 17 2016 22:57 GMT
#136
ROFL i love this so freaking muc.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
March 17 2016 22:58 GMT
#137
I always saw SortOf as #1 Patchzerg.
But Sniper is too real that I cannot deny that.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 17 2016 23:02 GMT
#138
In terms of patch Terrans and patch Toss - I'd say it would be the lesser-tier players who were only able to be relevant during a period of racial imbalance.

Thus, by definition that eliminates most of the greats (e.g. Leenock, who won across several years) though all of them benefited when their race was strong (including Life, Mvp, etc.)

Patch Terrans / Toss would probably be those lesser-known, GSL Ro16, Ro8 players who had no business being in the GSL at all but had a fortunate patch
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 23:09:50
March 17 2016 23:04 GMT
#139
On March 18 2016 07:53 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 07:50 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?

It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence.

INnoVation was the only terran who was in a GSL finals for all of HotS (and he did it 3 times) and 1 out of 2 terrans who won a premier tournament in 2015. There are hardly players who deserve the term patch"something" less than him.

if the meta looked good for terran when he won it was because he made the meta look favorable for terran

So when he does well in a favorable meta, the meta looks favorable because of him; but when he doesn't do well in an unfavorable meta (blink), it's because of the meta? So what about when the meta looked neither favorable nor unfavorable for Terran and Inno did average? Well I guess he's allowed to fall off every now and then.

His best tournament finishes in WoL are like the complete opposite of being a Patchterran, but his best HotS results coincide with good Terran metas and patches more than I as a fan would like to admit.

Like if you compare Inno to your joke example Maru: Inno's GSL results go up and down massively per season, including a full dropout, while Maru's are consistent as hell.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15943 Posts
March 17 2016 23:10 GMT
#140
On March 18 2016 08:04 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 07:53 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:50 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?

It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence.

INnoVation was the only terran who was in a GSL finals for all of HotS (and he did it 3 times) and 1 out of 2 terrans who won a premier tournament in 2015. There are hardly players who deserve the term patch"something" less than him.

if the meta looked good for terran when he won it was because he made the meta look favorable for terran

So when he does well in a favorable meta, the meta looks favorable because of him; but when he doesn't do well in an unfavorable meta (blink), it's because of the meta? So what about when the meta looked neither favorable nor unfavorable for Terran and Inno did average? Well I guess he's allowed to fall off every now and then.

His best tournament finishes in WoL are like the complete opposite of being a Patchterran, but his best HotS results coincide with good Terran metas and patches more than I as a fan would like to admit.

there was only 1 terran who got to the GSL finals in all of HotS. And he did it not 1 time, not 2 times but 3 times.
If you think someone who does that far better then every other player of his race I don't know what to say to you.
It's like saying NesTea is a patchzerg.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 23:21:24
March 17 2016 23:11 GMT
#141
On March 18 2016 08:10 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 08:04 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:53 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:50 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?

It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence.

INnoVation was the only terran who was in a GSL finals for all of HotS (and he did it 3 times) and 1 out of 2 terrans who won a premier tournament in 2015. There are hardly players who deserve the term patch"something" less than him.

if the meta looked good for terran when he won it was because he made the meta look favorable for terran

So when he does well in a favorable meta, the meta looks favorable because of him; but when he doesn't do well in an unfavorable meta (blink), it's because of the meta? So what about when the meta looked neither favorable nor unfavorable for Terran and Inno did average? Well I guess he's allowed to fall off every now and then.

His best tournament finishes in WoL are like the complete opposite of being a Patchterran, but his best HotS results coincide with good Terran metas and patches more than I as a fan would like to admit.

there was only 1 terran who got to the GSL finals in all of HotS. And he did it not 1 time, not 2 times but 3 times.
If you think someone who does that far better then every other player of his race I don't know what to say to you.
It's like saying NesTea is a patchzerg.

You're purposely evading the point but that's fine. Fan's got to do what a fan's got to do. Just know that nobody said he wasn't very skilled & gifted and nobody said he was just abusing broken compositions. Just that his performance swings along with the metagame too hard.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
March 17 2016 23:13 GMT
#142
I'm glad to see Stephano's name at least given a mention on the patchzerg list. The only reason why he was ever a top player is because of broken zerg favored maps and a zerg favored meta
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15943 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 23:35:36
March 17 2016 23:24 GMT
#143
On March 18 2016 08:11 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 08:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 08:04 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:53 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:50 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?

It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence.

INnoVation was the only terran who was in a GSL finals for all of HotS (and he did it 3 times) and 1 out of 2 terrans who won a premier tournament in 2015. There are hardly players who deserve the term patch"something" less than him.

if the meta looked good for terran when he won it was because he made the meta look favorable for terran

So when he does well in a favorable meta, the meta looks favorable because of him; but when he doesn't do well in an unfavorable meta (blink), it's because of the meta? So what about when the meta looked neither favorable nor unfavorable for Terran and Inno did average? Well I guess he's allowed to fall off every now and then.

His best tournament finishes in WoL are like the complete opposite of being a Patchterran, but his best HotS results coincide with good Terran metas and patches more than I as a fan would like to admit.

there was only 1 terran who got to the GSL finals in all of HotS. And he did it not 1 time, not 2 times but 3 times.
If you think someone who does that far better then every other player of his race I don't know what to say to you.
It's like saying NesTea is a patchzerg.

You're purposely evading the point but that's fine.

Okay let's analize it a bit more. I disagree that the metas he did well in were particularly terran favored.
the first GSL finals he got to had 2 terrans in the ro8 and Inno was the only one in the ro4. How is that super terran favored?
the GSL he won in 2014 had again 2 terrans in the ro8 who faced each other in the ro4. Inno was the only one in the finals.
the 2015 GSL had 3 terrans in the ro8 and 2 in the ro4. again Inno the only one in the finals.

If you really think thoses eras were super terran favored why was it only INnoVation who performed that well?
Aren't normally the brackets filled with players of one race when it is super favored.
or is it just that the meta was super terran favored but Inno was the only one who could abuse that.

edit: the meta only looked favored because INnoVation dominated his opponents so hard it looked imbalanced.
Do you really think 4M vs ling bane muta would have looked terran favored if it wasn't for INnoVation killing every opponent with ease. Or that mech vs zerg would have looked imbalanced without him. he was the only one who made it consistently work against top zergs. Most other terrans got bopped by zergs like Byul and soO.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33371 Posts
March 17 2016 23:33 GMT
#144
Guys, please stop fighting. This is a post-racial society.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24201 Posts
March 17 2016 23:35 GMT
#145
Hilarious article

Love that kind of fun stuff, keep it going.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
March 17 2016 23:36 GMT
#146
RoRojwa aka the only KeSPA zerg better than hyvaa
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2016 23:36 GMT
#147
On March 18 2016 08:24 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 08:11 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 08:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 08:04 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:53 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:50 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
[quote]

PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?

It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence.

INnoVation was the only terran who was in a GSL finals for all of HotS (and he did it 3 times) and 1 out of 2 terrans who won a premier tournament in 2015. There are hardly players who deserve the term patch"something" less than him.

if the meta looked good for terran when he won it was because he made the meta look favorable for terran

So when he does well in a favorable meta, the meta looks favorable because of him; but when he doesn't do well in an unfavorable meta (blink), it's because of the meta? So what about when the meta looked neither favorable nor unfavorable for Terran and Inno did average? Well I guess he's allowed to fall off every now and then.

His best tournament finishes in WoL are like the complete opposite of being a Patchterran, but his best HotS results coincide with good Terran metas and patches more than I as a fan would like to admit.

there was only 1 terran who got to the GSL finals in all of HotS. And he did it not 1 time, not 2 times but 3 times.
If you think someone who does that far better then every other player of his race I don't know what to say to you.
It's like saying NesTea is a patchzerg.

You're purposely evading the point but that's fine.

Okay let's analize it a bit more. I disagree that the metas he did well in were particularly terran favored.
the first GSL finals he got to had 2 terrans in the ro8 and Inno was the only one in the ro4. How is that super terran favored?
the GSL he won in 2014 had again 2 terrans in the ro8 who faced each other in the ro4. Inno was the only one in the finals.
the 2015 GSL had 3 terrans in the ro8 and 2 in the ro4. again Inno the only one in the finals.

If you really think thoses eras were super terran favored why was it only INnoVation who performed that well?
Aren't normally the brackets filled with players of one race when it is super favored.
or is it just that the meta was super terran favored but Inno was the only one who could abuse that.


Actually Flash, Mvp, Bomber and Maru did really well in 2013 at the same time as Inno.

In 2014, Maru, Cure, Flash all were doing well at the same time. Maru got a group of death. Flash bombed out like he always does. Cure made it the ro4 and almost won Red Bull against Bomber. Bomber was also doing well outside of Korea.

In 2015, TY, Maru, Flash and INnoVation were all doing well around that time.


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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15943 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-17 23:39:47
March 17 2016 23:39 GMT
#148

this is the first time I have heard someone say terran was strong at the end of 2015.
terran won by far the least tournaments in 2015 and even David Kim admitted he has considerd buffing terran before blizzcon because they looked weak. But yeah, Inno won a tournament so terran must have been OP.
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Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
March 17 2016 23:44 GMT
#149
Man. All this talk of patchZerg, and now I want to play Wings Of Liberty ladder again.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15943 Posts
March 17 2016 23:48 GMT
#150
On March 18 2016 08:36 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 08:24 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 08:11 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 08:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 08:04 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:53 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:50 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
[quote]
Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?

It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence.

INnoVation was the only terran who was in a GSL finals for all of HotS (and he did it 3 times) and 1 out of 2 terrans who won a premier tournament in 2015. There are hardly players who deserve the term patch"something" less than him.

if the meta looked good for terran when he won it was because he made the meta look favorable for terran

So when he does well in a favorable meta, the meta looks favorable because of him; but when he doesn't do well in an unfavorable meta (blink), it's because of the meta? So what about when the meta looked neither favorable nor unfavorable for Terran and Inno did average? Well I guess he's allowed to fall off every now and then.

His best tournament finishes in WoL are like the complete opposite of being a Patchterran, but his best HotS results coincide with good Terran metas and patches more than I as a fan would like to admit.

there was only 1 terran who got to the GSL finals in all of HotS. And he did it not 1 time, not 2 times but 3 times.
If you think someone who does that far better then every other player of his race I don't know what to say to you.
It's like saying NesTea is a patchzerg.

You're purposely evading the point but that's fine.

Okay let's analize it a bit more. I disagree that the metas he did well in were particularly terran favored.
the first GSL finals he got to had 2 terrans in the ro8 and Inno was the only one in the ro4. How is that super terran favored?
the GSL he won in 2014 had again 2 terrans in the ro8 who faced each other in the ro4. Inno was the only one in the finals.
the 2015 GSL had 3 terrans in the ro8 and 2 in the ro4. again Inno the only one in the finals.

If you really think thoses eras were super terran favored why was it only INnoVation who performed that well?
Aren't normally the brackets filled with players of one race when it is super favored.
or is it just that the meta was super terran favored but Inno was the only one who could abuse that.


Actually Flash, Mvp, Bomber and Maru did really well in 2013 at the same time as Inno.

In 2014, Maru, Cure, Flash all were doing well at the same time. Maru got a group of death. Flash bombed out like he always does. Cure made it the ro4 and almost won Red Bull against Bomber. Bomber was also doing well outside of Korea.

In 2015, TY, Maru, Flash and INnoVation were all doing well around that time.



they did well for their standards but except Maru none of them did well enough or even came close to winning a starleague.
Must he be the only terran in the ro16 to prove he can do well in bad metas?
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Lil_nooblet
Profile Joined March 2016
United States459 Posts
March 17 2016 23:56 GMT
#151
On March 18 2016 08:39 Charoisaur wrote:

this is the first time I have heard someone say terran was strong at the end of 2015.
terran won by far the least tournaments in 2015 and even David Kim admitted he has considerd buffing terran before blizzcon because they looked weak. But yeah, Inno won a tournament so terran must have been OP.


It's not that terran was OP or anything in late 2015. It's just that after the swarmhost nerf mech was pretty strong in TvZ and also strong in TvT which favored Inno's playstyle.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 17 2016 23:57 GMT
#152
Cure was 1 game away from beating Inno in his GSL run.

Bomber won the WCS Season 2 finals after OSL.

TY was 1 game away from getting to the finals.

Only Flash wasn't close, but he won IEM Toronto and 2nd at MLG.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15943 Posts
March 18 2016 00:05 GMT
#153
On March 18 2016 08:57 stuchiu wrote:
Cure was 1 game away from beating Inno in his GSL run.

Bomber won the WCS Season 2 finals after OSL.

TY was 1 game away from getting to the finals.

Only Flash wasn't close, but he won IEM Toronto and 2nd at MLG.

ok but by that logic every protoss who was succesful in HotS is a patchtoss because there were always 4-5 protoss who did well at the same time.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
March 18 2016 00:43 GMT
#154
This is almost as good as Lings of Liberty.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 00:52:46
March 18 2016 00:51 GMT
#155
On March 18 2016 04:32 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wait are we allowed to call people patch zergs now? That was mod actionable for like 2 years


i already called out the hypocrisy multiple times. back then people who told the truth about the suck that was gglord and winfestor were punished with bans. it is common that prophets are persecuted during their time, only to be proven right. said prophets only wanted to save SC2 by pointing out the horrible balance patch that extended queen range and ushered in an era that literally murdered the game. i'll never forgot how these noobs mocked avilo in state of the game when avilo predicted how awful queen range patch was. only qxc was level headed. bad players like idra and incontrol made fools of themselves

Another one that got ppl banned was pointing out that innovation was really bad at TvT becase as soon hellbats got nerfed, his TvT got nerfed hard and he got repeatedly pwned
DonDomingo
Profile Joined October 2015
504 Posts
March 18 2016 00:56 GMT
#156
On March 18 2016 09:51 fishjie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 04:32 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wait are we allowed to call people patch zergs now? That was mod actionable for like 2 years


i already called out the hypocrisy multiple times. back then people who told the truth about the suck that was gglord and winfestor were punished with bans. it is common that prophets are persecuted during their time, only to be proven right. said prophets only wanted to save SC2 by pointing out the horrible balance patch that extended queen range and ushered in an era that literally murdered the game. i'll never forgot how these noobs mocked avilo in state of the game when avilo predicted how awful queen range patch was. only qxc was level headed. bad players like idra and incontrol made fools of themselves

Another one that got ppl banned was pointing out that innovation was really bad at TvT becase as soon hellbats got nerfed, his TvT got nerfed hard and he got repeatedly pwned

While I agree Infestor Broodlord was a dark time indeed, that queen change was one of the best things to happen in WoL.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 18 2016 01:04 GMT
#157
On March 18 2016 07:50 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?

It's kinda hard to deny with Inno and Flash. When Terran wasn't that good they were struggling more than others. When the meta was shifted so standard Terran play got stronger, they got (closer) to the top. Both of them always did better in the same metagames too, so it's hardly coincidence.

It wasn't atrocious like some of the players on this list, but they kinda fit the definition of Patchterran anyway. And stu said he didn't mean it in a negative way (except for MarineKing).


The implication when you're talking about "patch-race" is that those players are abusing some kind of temporary advantage to artificially inflate their apparent skill level.

INno and Flash doing well when the meta favors Terran standard play is neither coincidence nor indication of patch-Terranness. Standard play should by definition always be viable. It's the times when standard play isn't reliable that we look to see who (of the other races) gets away with things they shouldn't.

If late 2013-mid 2014 is to be held against INnoVation, then by that logic Maru is literally the only non-patch Terran in Korea.

Also every single Protoss got a boost midway through 2013 once they realized Blink + MSC + Oracles are good things to have. Does that make Dear, Zest, Stats, Classic (the list goes on and on) patch Tosses, or if you prefer expansion-Tosses? I was salty as fuck throughout 2014 but I wouldn't dream of calling any of those guys patch-Tosses now, and not just because of the pejorative connotations but because they can all play a mean standard game.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
March 18 2016 01:05 GMT
#158
On March 18 2016 08:13 Jonas wrote:
I'm glad to see Stephano's name at least given a mention on the patchzerg list. The only reason why he was ever a top player is because of broken zerg favored maps and a zerg favored meta


Total BS. like entirely completly totally 100% BS.
Dear INno and all the former STX boys.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 18 2016 01:11 GMT
#159
On March 18 2016 04:32 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Wait are we allowed to call people patch zergs now? That was mod actionable for like 2 years

TL writer/moderator metagame at its finest. Don't talk about anything until one of the forum elites has done so himself.
Befree
Profile Joined April 2010
695 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 01:19:53
March 18 2016 01:19 GMT
#160
Wow, this is really hostile.

I don't approve of this at all. I'm very disappointed in the staff here setting such a bad example. Certainly you guys wouldn't like it if all the users started talking like this in posts?

This isn't reddit.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
March 18 2016 01:25 GMT
#161
I remember in 2014, Apollo and Kaelaris were discussing the idea of patch Zergs in a WCS cast, and Apollo egged on Kaelaris to actually name a name. Kaelaris said you firet, and Apollo, on stream, in one of the highest-profile SC2 leagues, named JonnyRecco.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 18 2016 01:29 GMT
#162
On March 18 2016 10:25 Circumstance wrote:
I remember in 2014, Apollo and Kaelaris were discussing the idea of patch Zergs in a WCS cast, and Apollo egged on Kaelaris to actually name a name. Kaelaris said you firet, and Apollo, on stream, in one of the highest-profile SC2 leagues, named JonnyRecco.


And thats why I couldnt be on a desk, I wouldnt need to be egged on. I'd have named 20 or so straight out.
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Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
March 18 2016 01:40 GMT
#163
On March 18 2016 10:29 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 10:25 Circumstance wrote:
I remember in 2014, Apollo and Kaelaris were discussing the idea of patch Zergs in a WCS cast, and Apollo egged on Kaelaris to actually name a name. Kaelaris said you firet, and Apollo, on stream, in one of the highest-profile SC2 leagues, named JonnyRecco.


And thats why I couldnt be on a desk, I wouldnt need to be egged on. I'd have named 20 or so straight out.


no stuchiu on a dreamhack desk ? ;P
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
March 18 2016 01:42 GMT
#164
On March 18 2016 10:40 Executer08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 10:29 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 10:25 Circumstance wrote:
I remember in 2014, Apollo and Kaelaris were discussing the idea of patch Zergs in a WCS cast, and Apollo egged on Kaelaris to actually name a name. Kaelaris said you firet, and Apollo, on stream, in one of the highest-profile SC2 leagues, named JonnyRecco.


And thats why I couldnt be on a desk, I wouldnt need to be egged on. I'd have named 20 or so straight out.


no stuchiu on a dreamhack desk ? ;P

Wax has already cornered the market on "expert"s
AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2197 Posts
March 18 2016 01:45 GMT
#165
On March 18 2016 06:29 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 05:20 Scarlett` wrote:
where am i T_T

Top 3 Patchtoss I'd say.

no 1 patchtoss 2016 I see it cmoing
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 18 2016 01:54 GMT
#166
On March 18 2016 10:42 Solar424 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 10:40 Executer08 wrote:
On March 18 2016 10:29 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 10:25 Circumstance wrote:
I remember in 2014, Apollo and Kaelaris were discussing the idea of patch Zergs in a WCS cast, and Apollo egged on Kaelaris to actually name a name. Kaelaris said you firet, and Apollo, on stream, in one of the highest-profile SC2 leagues, named JonnyRecco.


And thats why I couldnt be on a desk, I wouldnt need to be egged on. I'd have named 20 or so straight out.


no stuchiu on a dreamhack desk ? ;P

Wax has already cornered the market on "expert"s


they could hire me on as "SC2 player hater."
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12839 Posts
March 18 2016 02:10 GMT
#167
Wtf haha, there weren't any patch toss or patch terrans...
There could have been if adepts were buffed to the state they were, but it was at release and didn't last long.

Same as why there is no patch terran: the only era where randoms (that's the spirit of patch zergs, and why VortiX or Stephano can't ever be considered patch zergs, which doesn't mean they weren't helped by zerg strength, everyone is guilty of that) were doing very well with terran was in the early GSLs, but it wasn't because of a patch since it was near release so without a patch.

It's kinda sad that you could be good with Z/P just copying actual good players, with terran it's all about micro & mechanics, watching pros play is hardly useful.
WriterMaru
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
March 18 2016 02:14 GMT
#168
On March 18 2016 05:48 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 05:46 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On March 18 2016 05:17 Apoteosis wrote:
Stephano should be in the #1.

Not only he created the Winfestor/GGlord, but also he created the monster that was the turtle SH style.

Stephano killed esports, but we are just too blind to admit it


I wasn't paying attention to the Starcraft scene during HOTS...what was the initial community feedback to Swarm Hosts? I can't imagine anyone thought the unit was a good idea when it was introduced, but obviously hindsight is biased.


The initial feedback to HotS was that Zerg was getting all the fun stuff, Terran got absolutely nothing after the Warhound removal and until shortly before beta ended noone even knew what Protoss would end up with.


Noone thought the Swarm Host was fun though. It was considered pretty unviable as well in early HOTS.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 18 2016 02:43 GMT
#169
I feel like SortOf deserves his place on the actual list.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
March 18 2016 02:50 GMT
#170
PatchZergs are a myth.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
March 18 2016 02:52 GMT
#171
Also, I want to make a statement:

KiLLeR is, results-wise, the best latin american player of sc2.
He got a third place in IEM NY in 2011, his run only stopped by the mighty DRG.
Also, he got a RO8 at the 2012 BWC, defeated by the juggernaut Rain.
Better than Major, at least, who had zero decent runs in premiere tournaments.

So, he's not a patchzerg.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 18 2016 03:05 GMT
#172
Blizzard's lack of response to BL/infestor is their worst move with SC2.
Blardy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States290 Posts
March 18 2016 03:12 GMT
#173
With only reading the title, I knew with 100% certainty that Sniper would be #1. Appears out of nowhere to win a GSL and to never be seen again.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 18 2016 03:36 GMT
#174
I remember those days when I used to troll TL with the phrase "sick new up-and-coming talented Zerg player" and variations. The thing is, you could know that I was obviously trolling, but you can't really ban a guy for praising a player, so I got away most of the time with this. Most of the time ;D.
Kon-Tiki
Profile Joined February 2011
United States402 Posts
March 18 2016 04:37 GMT
#175
On March 18 2016 10:19 Befree wrote:
Wow, this is really hostile.

I don't approve of this at all. I'm very disappointed in the staff here setting such a bad example. Certainly you guys wouldn't like it if all the users started talking like this in posts?

This isn't reddit.

Teamliquid (and Waxangel specifically) has a long, rich tradition of tongue-in-cheek articles that are really just sophisticated bullshit intended for comedic effect. This is a fine example of such.
I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
March 18 2016 04:58 GMT
#176
On March 18 2016 12:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Blizzard's lack of response to BL/infestor is their worst move with SC2.

I think Swarm Hosts were worse.... I know BL/infestor was super overpowered and broken, but swarm hosts were just downright EMBARRASSING.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 18 2016 05:16 GMT
#177
On March 18 2016 13:58 lestye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 12:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Blizzard's lack of response to BL/infestor is their worst move with SC2.

I think Swarm Hosts were worse.... I know BL/infestor was super overpowered and broken, but swarm hosts were just downright EMBARRASSING.

Is this the part where everybody gets to tell what they hate the most?
I think Warpgates, Forcefields, Dark Templar and Oracles are still all worse and ruind more games every season than BL/Infestor and Swarm Hosts ruined during the whole existance of SC2.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 18 2016 06:59 GMT
#178
On March 18 2016 14:16 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 13:58 lestye wrote:
On March 18 2016 12:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Blizzard's lack of response to BL/infestor is their worst move with SC2.

I think Swarm Hosts were worse.... I know BL/infestor was super overpowered and broken, but swarm hosts were just downright EMBARRASSING.

Is this the part where everybody gets to tell what they hate the most?
I think Warpgates, Forcefields, Dark Templar and Oracles are still all worse and ruind more games every season than BL/Infestor and Swarm Hosts ruined during the whole existance of SC2.

This is the mock the patch zerg thread, not the designated balance qq thread
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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2519 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 07:06:15
March 18 2016 07:06 GMT
#179
On March 18 2016 10:25 Circumstance wrote:
I remember in 2014, Apollo and Kaelaris were discussing the idea of patch Zergs in a WCS cast, and Apollo egged on Kaelaris to actually name a name. Kaelaris said you firet, and Apollo, on stream, in one of the highest-profile SC2 leagues, named JonnyRecco.



This moment is exactly what I thought about when I read the title. :D
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 18 2016 07:06 GMT
#180
On March 18 2016 14:16 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 13:58 lestye wrote:
On March 18 2016 12:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Blizzard's lack of response to BL/infestor is their worst move with SC2.

I think Swarm Hosts were worse.... I know BL/infestor was super overpowered and broken, but swarm hosts were just downright EMBARRASSING.

Is this the part where everybody gets to tell what they hate the most?
I think Warpgates, Forcefields, Dark Templar and Oracles are still all worse and ruind more games every season than BL/Infestor and Swarm Hosts ruined during the whole existance of SC2.

That's only true because a typical BL/Infestor or SH game usually took around 5 hours to be done. Simply no time to ruin more games.
Quality > quantity anyway, BL/Infestor and SH easily had a higher level of destruction to the beauty that is sc2 gameplay.

Other than that, Dts are ok i think
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Achilles.Sc2
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
Germany11 Posts
March 18 2016 07:19 GMT
#181
no just ... no.. i cant disagree that these guys are patchzergs, however this article is way too mean... these guys are/were hard working, starcraft-loving players.. they don't deserve such humiliation..

really expected more love from TL for the players..
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 18 2016 07:27 GMT
#182
On March 18 2016 03:24 Silvana wrote:
I had the bless of not being a Starcraft fan during the BL-infestor era. And I had a lot of fun reading this article :D Well done TL!

When is the PatchToss one coming?

And I'm very curious how you will manage to write the PatchTerran list to finish the series without getting a lot of flak for incriminating the immaculate race.


They can't because they would have to include TaeJa and no one else
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 18 2016 07:34 GMT
#183
On March 18 2016 16:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 03:24 Silvana wrote:
I had the bless of not being a Starcraft fan during the BL-infestor era. And I had a lot of fun reading this article :D Well done TL!

When is the PatchToss one coming?

And I'm very curious how you will manage to write the PatchTerran list to finish the series without getting a lot of flak for incriminating the immaculate race.


They can't because they would have to include TaeJa and no one else

Damn patch terrans, what about gomtvt and the fact that Mvp won pretty much all his titles during that era? Ouch :/
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4541 Posts
March 18 2016 07:35 GMT
#184
On March 18 2016 16:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 16:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:24 Silvana wrote:
I had the bless of not being a Starcraft fan during the BL-infestor era. And I had a lot of fun reading this article :D Well done TL!

When is the PatchToss one coming?

And I'm very curious how you will manage to write the PatchTerran list to finish the series without getting a lot of flak for incriminating the immaculate race.


They can't because they would have to include TaeJa and no one else

Damn patch terrans, what about gomtvt and the fact that Mvp won pretty much all his titles during that era? Ouch :/


GomTvT wasn't because of PatchTerrans, it was mostly because of ImbalancedMapPoolTerrans.

Also MVP legit being a very good player, of course.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 18 2016 07:58 GMT
#185
On March 18 2016 16:35 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 16:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 16:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:24 Silvana wrote:
I had the bless of not being a Starcraft fan during the BL-infestor era. And I had a lot of fun reading this article :D Well done TL!

When is the PatchToss one coming?

And I'm very curious how you will manage to write the PatchTerran list to finish the series without getting a lot of flak for incriminating the immaculate race.


They can't because they would have to include TaeJa and no one else

Damn patch terrans, what about gomtvt and the fact that Mvp won pretty much all his titles during that era? Ouch :/


GomTvT wasn't because of PatchTerrans, it was mostly because of ImbalancedMapPoolTerrans.

Also MVP legit being a very good player, of course.

The result is the same. And yes Mvp surely a great player, just saying that gomtvt surely didn't make it harder
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 18 2016 08:14 GMT
#186
True evil never dies...
The prophecy foretells that Sniper will come back one day to ruin another GSL final.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 18 2016 08:26 GMT
#187
On March 18 2016 16:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 14:16 Big J wrote:
On March 18 2016 13:58 lestye wrote:
On March 18 2016 12:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Blizzard's lack of response to BL/infestor is their worst move with SC2.

I think Swarm Hosts were worse.... I know BL/infestor was super overpowered and broken, but swarm hosts were just downright EMBARRASSING.

Is this the part where everybody gets to tell what they hate the most?
I think Warpgates, Forcefields, Dark Templar and Oracles are still all worse and ruind more games every season than BL/Infestor and Swarm Hosts ruined during the whole existance of SC2.

That's only true because a typical BL/Infestor or SH game usually took around 5 hours to be done. Simply no time to ruin more games.
Quality > quantity anyway, BL/Infestor and SH easily had a higher level of destruction to the beauty that is sc2 gameplay.

Other than that, Dts are ok i think

Dts are too fast. They are victims of Blizzards policy "faster = better = enjoyable". Everything has to be faster! Now we have even faster start of the game itself

But this is not the topic to discuss this Anyway, Protoss BS games are not all the time the same and are faster. Thus they are less annoying than watching an endless stream of free units
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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
March 18 2016 08:28 GMT
#188
On March 18 2016 12:36 ZenithM wrote:
I remember those days when I used to troll TL with the phrase "sick new up-and-coming talented Zerg player" and variations. The thing is, you could know that I was obviously trolling, but you can't really ban a guy for praising a player, so I got away most of the time with this. Most of the time ;D.


Lol yeah, there was a period of time with a lot of those talented zergs popping up likes mushrooms indeed :D
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SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
March 18 2016 08:30 GMT
#189
On March 18 2016 16:19 Achilles.Sc2 wrote:
no just ... no.. i cant disagree that these guys are patchzergs, however this article is way too mean... these guys are/were hard working, starcraft-loving players.. they don't deserve such humiliation..

really expected more love from TL for the players..


Now you know how literally every Protoss player not named Rain feels throughout the whole SC2 lifespan.. getting no respect from zerg-biased GSL casters bashing how "easy" of a race it is to play. Even creating a show called "Imbalance" to talk about how easy protoss is? Yeah.. thats not going to sway the opinion of new players.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 18 2016 08:34 GMT
#190
On March 18 2016 17:30 SnowfaLL wrote:
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On March 18 2016 16:19 Achilles.Sc2 wrote:
no just ... no.. i cant disagree that these guys are patchzergs, however this article is way too mean... these guys are/were hard working, starcraft-loving players.. they don't deserve such humiliation..

really expected more love from TL for the players..


Now you know how literally every Protoss player not named Rain feels throughout the whole SC2 lifespan.. getting no respect from zerg-biased GSL casters bashing how "easy" of a race it is to play. Even creating a show called "Imbalance" to talk about how easy protoss is? Yeah.. thats not going to sway the opinion of new players.

Even Rain was bashed No P player was/is save
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 18 2016 09:01 GMT
#191
On March 18 2016 16:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 16:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:24 Silvana wrote:
I had the bless of not being a Starcraft fan during the BL-infestor era. And I had a lot of fun reading this article :D Well done TL!

When is the PatchToss one coming?

And I'm very curious how you will manage to write the PatchTerran list to finish the series without getting a lot of flak for incriminating the immaculate race.


They can't because they would have to include TaeJa and no one else

Damn patch terrans, what about gomtvt and the fact that Mvp won pretty much all his titles during that era? Ouch :/


Did you really compare TaeJa and MVP ?
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 18 2016 09:04 GMT
#192
On March 18 2016 18:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 16:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 16:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:24 Silvana wrote:
I had the bless of not being a Starcraft fan during the BL-infestor era. And I had a lot of fun reading this article :D Well done TL!

When is the PatchToss one coming?

And I'm very curious how you will manage to write the PatchTerran list to finish the series without getting a lot of flak for incriminating the immaculate race.


They can't because they would have to include TaeJa and no one else

Damn patch terrans, what about gomtvt and the fact that Mvp won pretty much all his titles during that era? Ouch :/


Did you really compare TaeJa and MVP ?

No i implied that Mvp's success was in an era where terrans were rather strong.
Most people don't seem to remember that. (no i don't want to say that he wasn't great, still a little overhyped though)
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 09:08:09
March 18 2016 09:07 GMT
#193
On March 18 2016 18:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 18 2016 16:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 16:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:24 Silvana wrote:
I had the bless of not being a Starcraft fan during the BL-infestor era. And I had a lot of fun reading this article :D Well done TL!

When is the PatchToss one coming?

And I'm very curious how you will manage to write the PatchTerran list to finish the series without getting a lot of flak for incriminating the immaculate race.


They can't because they would have to include TaeJa and no one else

Damn patch terrans, what about gomtvt and the fact that Mvp won pretty much all his titles during that era? Ouch :/


Did you really compare TaeJa and MVP ?

No i implied that Mvp's success was in an era where terrans were rather strong.
Most people don't seem to remember that. (no i don't want to say that he wasn't great, still a little overhyped though)


Oh ok my bad He also won when Terran was not OP as fuck though. Or am i blinded by wrong memories ?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 09:26:03
March 18 2016 09:13 GMT
#194
On March 18 2016 18:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:01 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 18 2016 16:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 16:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:24 Silvana wrote:
I had the bless of not being a Starcraft fan during the BL-infestor era. And I had a lot of fun reading this article :D Well done TL!

When is the PatchToss one coming?

And I'm very curious how you will manage to write the PatchTerran list to finish the series without getting a lot of flak for incriminating the immaculate race.


They can't because they would have to include TaeJa and no one else

Damn patch terrans, what about gomtvt and the fact that Mvp won pretty much all his titles during that era? Ouch :/


Did you really compare TaeJa and MVP ?

No i implied that Mvp's success was in an era where terrans were rather strong.
Most people don't seem to remember that. (no i don't want to say that he wasn't great, still a little overhyped though)


Oh ok my bad He also won when Terran was not OP as fuck though. Or am i blinded by wrong memories ?

No. He made a GSL finals when Protoss was doing well (Ro8 was 5P 3T) and one during BL/infestor (which he barely lost, RIP G5L), he also won an IEM during BL/infestor which included like half the people on this patchzerg list.

And he still had like 3 good runs in HotS, and all of that was long after he was diagnosed with Cervical Kyphosis and Carpal Tunnel. So he was still doing things when Terran wasn't OP even though his body was a trainwreck.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 18 2016 09:15 GMT
#195
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 09:24:05
March 18 2016 09:21 GMT
#196
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 18 2016 09:22 GMT
#197
Oh ok i thought i became senile :p
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 18 2016 09:23 GMT
#198
On March 18 2016 18:21 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically 3 but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.

I don't count that one as GSL tbh :D
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
March 18 2016 09:24 GMT
#199
On March 18 2016 18:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically 3 but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.

I don't count that one as GSL tbh :D

He got a pin for it. If you get a pin it counts!
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 18 2016 09:26 GMT
#200
On March 18 2016 18:24 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically 3 but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.

I don't count that one as GSL tbh :D

He got a pin for it. If you get a pin it counts!

Haha i guess. Technically it counts, but deep inside we all know Mvp only won 3 GSLs
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55511 Posts
March 18 2016 09:37 GMT
#201
On March 18 2016 18:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically 3 but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.

I don't count that one as GSL tbh :D

He got a pin for it. If you get a pin it counts!

Haha i guess. Technically it counts, but deep inside we all know Mvp only won 3 GSLs

Shame he lost his last GSL finals to Life, otherwise we could post his G5L trophy whenever someone claims he only won 4 GSLs
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
March 18 2016 09:38 GMT
#202
On March 18 2016 10:40 Executer08 wrote:
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On March 18 2016 10:29 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 10:25 Circumstance wrote:
I remember in 2014, Apollo and Kaelaris were discussing the idea of patch Zergs in a WCS cast, and Apollo egged on Kaelaris to actually name a name. Kaelaris said you firet, and Apollo, on stream, in one of the highest-profile SC2 leagues, named JonnyRecco.


And thats why I couldnt be on a desk, I wouldnt need to be egged on. I'd have named 20 or so straight out.


no stuchiu on a dreamhack desk ? ;P


Stranger things have happened.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 18 2016 09:53 GMT
#203
On March 18 2016 18:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically 3 but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.

I don't count that one as GSL tbh :D

He got a pin for it. If you get a pin it counts!

Haha i guess. Technically it counts, but deep inside we all know Mvp only won 3 GSLs

Shame he lost his last GSL finals to Life, otherwise we could post his G5L trophy whenever someone claims he only won 4 GSLs


anyone who doesn't think life patchzerg'd that title is a fool
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 10:01:49
March 18 2016 10:01 GMT
#204
I wonder how would this thread have been if this was during the BL/Infestor era.

Lot more red messages at the bottom of nearly every post. :>
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Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
March 18 2016 10:02 GMT
#205
I can't name a lot of foreigners for the terran one but we need this for other races too
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
March 18 2016 10:03 GMT
#206
On March 18 2016 18:38 Heyoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 10:40 Executer08 wrote:
On March 18 2016 10:29 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 10:25 Circumstance wrote:
I remember in 2014, Apollo and Kaelaris were discussing the idea of patch Zergs in a WCS cast, and Apollo egged on Kaelaris to actually name a name. Kaelaris said you firet, and Apollo, on stream, in one of the highest-profile SC2 leagues, named JonnyRecco.


And thats why I couldnt be on a desk, I wouldnt need to be egged on. I'd have named 20 or so straight out.


no stuchiu on a dreamhack desk ? ;P


Stranger things have happened.


Damn, DreamHack Tours was so funny.
LiquipediaWanderer
Butters (Scot)
Profile Joined January 2015
Scotland471 Posts
March 18 2016 10:19 GMT
#207
On March 18 2016 05:20 Scarlett` wrote:
where am i T_T


>_< stahp!
One rule in life, do what ever you want as long as you're not hurting anyone else (unless they are into that kinda thing ;) )
Vanadiel
Profile Joined April 2012
France961 Posts
March 18 2016 10:52 GMT
#208
On March 18 2016 14:16 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 13:58 lestye wrote:
On March 18 2016 12:05 Doodsmack wrote:
Blizzard's lack of response to BL/infestor is their worst move with SC2.

I think Swarm Hosts were worse.... I know BL/infestor was super overpowered and broken, but swarm hosts were just downright EMBARRASSING.

Is this the part where everybody gets to tell what they hate the most?
I think Warpgates, Forcefields, Dark Templar and Oracles are still all worse and ruind more games every season than BL/Infestor and Swarm Hosts ruined during the whole existance of SC2.


Just Forcefield is enough for me. How many game decided by one forcefield on a ramp. Honestly Zerg had to wait 5 years to have a solution against it.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12839 Posts
March 18 2016 11:05 GMT
#209
On March 18 2016 18:53 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:37 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically 3 but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.

I don't count that one as GSL tbh :D

He got a pin for it. If you get a pin it counts!

Haha i guess. Technically it counts, but deep inside we all know Mvp only won 3 GSLs

Shame he lost his last GSL finals to Life, otherwise we could post his G5L trophy whenever someone claims he only won 4 GSLs


anyone who doesn't think life patchzerg'd that title is a fool

That's why Mvp was #1 and Life #2 and now Life is lost!

An healthy Mvp would have been scary
WriterMaru
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4541 Posts
March 18 2016 12:17 GMT
#210
On March 18 2016 19:01 Ragnarork wrote:
I wonder how would this thread have been if this was during the BL/Infestor era.

Lot more red messages at the bottom of nearly every post. :>


Not really. From what I remember, the mods pretty much stopped acting against balance whining near the end of the period. After 6 months of obvious imbalances, it was fine to call it that

It's a long time ago though, my memory may be off.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3376 Posts
March 18 2016 12:45 GMT
#211
On March 18 2016 20:05 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:53 lichter wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:37 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:26 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically 3 but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.

I don't count that one as GSL tbh :D

He got a pin for it. If you get a pin it counts!

Haha i guess. Technically it counts, but deep inside we all know Mvp only won 3 GSLs

Shame he lost his last GSL finals to Life, otherwise we could post his G5L trophy whenever someone claims he only won 4 GSLs


anyone who doesn't think life patchzerg'd that title is a fool

That's why Mvp was #1 and Life #2 and now Life is lost!

An healthy Mvp would have been scary

I think it's more impressive that the youngest gsl champ, royal roaded his way to victory in a bo7 mindgame war vs freaking mvp.

Ot: there's a big difference between being a patch zerg and simply have an insane zvz in an era where zergs are dominating. This is why people like nerchio and symbol should not be on the list. Patch zerg the term is used around bl/inf era and is why we should not discuss patch tosses and patch terrans. Zergs were also way too strong after the widow mine nerf against terran, so if this era was also included in the patch zerg discussion, scarlett would've been number one. Not only did she abuse broods in wol, but seeing her beat top tier korean terrans all the time, simply by massing mutas every game is one of my personal sickening moments. Nevertheless this is a hugely disrespectful topic towards the players.
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A_Scarecrow
Profile Joined March 2013
Australia721 Posts
March 18 2016 12:59 GMT
#212
when you doing patchterran or patchtoss. they deserve it more imo
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12839 Posts
March 18 2016 13:04 GMT
#213
On March 18 2016 21:59 A_Scarecrow wrote:
when you doing patchterran or patchtoss. they deserve it more imo

There never were. I don't recall random foreign terrans/protoss popping out of nowhere and upsetting everyone with combos as OP as BL/infestor
WriterMaru
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4541 Posts
March 18 2016 13:09 GMT
#214
There was a 1-week window between MVP showcasing the power of Ghosts in TvZ and David Kim promptly nerfing them.

Sadly I don't remember any patchTerrans appearing during this week xD
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12839 Posts
March 18 2016 13:11 GMT
#215
On March 18 2016 22:09 Laurens wrote:
There was a 1-week window between MVP showcasing the power of Ghosts in TvZ and David Kim promptly nerfing them.

Sadly I don't remember any patchTerrans appearing during this week xD

Would have been easy enough to play to allow random foreign terrans to do well tho?
Plus you need to beat P too, Z was trashing terrans AND protoss
WriterMaru
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5586 Posts
March 18 2016 13:19 GMT
#216
On March 18 2016 21:59 A_Scarecrow wrote:
when you doing patchterran or patchtoss. they deserve it more imo

Maybe they'll do it bit by bit.
don't wall off against random
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 13:28:01
March 18 2016 13:26 GMT
#217
On March 18 2016 18:24 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically 3 but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.

I don't count that one as GSL tbh :D

He got a pin for it. If you get a pin it counts!


IS that a ESL Germany pin ? If not. It doesn't count.

On March 18 2016 22:04 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 21:59 A_Scarecrow wrote:
when you doing patchterran or patchtoss. they deserve it more imo

There never were. I don't recall random foreign terrans/protoss popping out of nowhere and upsetting everyone with combos as OP as BL/infestor


Thorzain ? Even got the game patched
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riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
March 18 2016 13:37 GMT
#218
Goddamn dirty patchzergs!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12839 Posts
March 18 2016 13:48 GMT
#219
On March 18 2016 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically 3 but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.

I don't count that one as GSL tbh :D

He got a pin for it. If you get a pin it counts!


IS that a ESL Germany pin ? If not. It doesn't count.

Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 22:04 Poopi wrote:
On March 18 2016 21:59 A_Scarecrow wrote:
when you doing patchterran or patchtoss. they deserve it more imo

There never were. I don't recall random foreign terrans/protoss popping out of nowhere and upsetting everyone with combos as OP as BL/infestor


Thorzain ? Even got the game patched

But he was not a random, since afterwards he even did well against koreans of the same race (DH vs Polt), whereas JonnyRecco and the likes can be called randoms because after the OP era they disappeared.
ThorZAiN was just a sleeper, like Snute and Bunny.
WriterMaru
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 13:58:57
March 18 2016 13:58 GMT
#220
On March 18 2016 22:48 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 22:26 FFW_Rude wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:24 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:21 Elentos wrote:
On March 18 2016 18:15 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I don't wanted to say that he only won in gomtvt times, but iirc 2 gsl wins were during that time?

Technically 3 but one of his GSL wins was the GSL WC which didn't fall to GomTvT race distributions.

I don't count that one as GSL tbh :D

He got a pin for it. If you get a pin it counts!


IS that a ESL Germany pin ? If not. It doesn't count.

On March 18 2016 22:04 Poopi wrote:
On March 18 2016 21:59 A_Scarecrow wrote:
when you doing patchterran or patchtoss. they deserve it more imo

There never were. I don't recall random foreign terrans/protoss popping out of nowhere and upsetting everyone with combos as OP as BL/infestor


Thorzain ? Even got the game patched

But he was not a random, since afterwards he even did well against koreans of the same race (DH vs Polt), whereas JonnyRecco and the likes can be called randoms because after the OP era they disappeared.
ThorZAiN was just a sleeper, like Snute and Bunny.


Sure but there's Leenock in here and he is a better name than Thorzain.
Also Roro was really good
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 18 2016 14:18 GMT
#221
According to his liquipedia page JonnyRecco beat Snute and a bunch of Koreans in various online Cups in 2014. #notapatchzerg
JeffKim
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Korea (South)36 Posts
March 18 2016 14:41 GMT
#222
On March 18 2016 23:18 Big J wrote:
According to his liquipedia page JonnyRecco beat Snute and a bunch of Koreans in various online Cups in 2014. #notapatchzerg
You're not wrong.
Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 14:43:49
March 18 2016 14:43 GMT
#223
Dat Times New Roman, tho...
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Ensiferum8
Profile Joined March 2014
Canada103 Posts
March 18 2016 16:16 GMT
#224
On March 18 2016 07:54 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 07:47 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 07:45 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:27 stuchiu wrote:
On March 18 2016 03:25 blade55555 wrote:
Can we get a PatchToss and PatchTerran list plox.


PatchToss: Arthur

PatchTerran: INnoVation, Flash, Marineking


Also Maru


Maru was too good during blink era. to count.

wait... the other ones were serious?


The only meta that was bad for Inno that he did well in briefly was BL/infestor.

Flash/Inno peak in 2013 coincided with Hellbat and MMMM. Once those fell off he got beat by duckdeok.

Flash/Inno peak in 2014 coincided with the buff of thors, rebuff of mines, and nerf of Blink Era. They fall after Zerg/Protoss get used to meta.

Flash/Inno peak in 2015 coincided with nerf of SH, rise of mech.
How can someone with your reputation on TL says bullshit stuff like that?

Unless your definition of Patch Xrace is different than mine, what you just said is outright stupid. IMO, IMO,a patch terran/zerg/toss is a player that does great when is race is OP, and poorly when is race is balance.. If your defnition of a patch player is someone doing well after a buff to his race, then i apologize, you are right, but i doubt thats the definition most people would say.

But if your definition of a Patch player is actually the one underlined, then, you are just soo wrong that even your god awfull top 15 of HotS woudl look great beside it.

I agree terrans were OP early hots because of hellbats. But then, terrans were the weakest race for almost a year, and their representation/performance were so low it was never seen before in the history of sc2. Can you blame Inno for doing poorly? when almost every other terrans in Korea (except Maru) were doing poorly too?

But the stupidest point about your comment is Inno doing well after they revert the WM's nerf. Terrans were never OP, even, in 2015 they were arguably the worst race, close to being UP:

In 2015:

FOR 21 PREMIER TOURNAMENTS (42 finalist)

8 TERRANS in finals. 4 wins 4 loss = 19% (far from the 33% perfect balance)
18 ZERGS in finals. 6 wins 12 loss = 43% (way above 33%)
16 TOSS in finals. 11 wins 5 loss = 38% (even less than zergs)

And Innovation was performing incredibly well in 2015, in PL and individual league.

Hows that a patchterran? Comming from a TL writer, i expected at least a bit of credibility....

P.S: If your definition of PatchTerran is different than mine, then i understand.

And if you were trolling (didnt read the whole thread), im sorry, you really, really got me.
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
March 18 2016 16:21 GMT
#225
This is TL, every terran is a patch terran except Taeja and mvp.

And we all secretly agree with it.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 18 2016 16:22 GMT
#226
We have different definitions
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10126 Posts
March 18 2016 16:26 GMT
#227
On March 18 2016 17:28 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2016 12:36 ZenithM wrote:
I remember those days when I used to troll TL with the phrase "sick new up-and-coming talented Zerg player" and variations. The thing is, you could know that I was obviously trolling, but you can't really ban a guy for praising a player, so I got away most of the time with this. Most of the time ;D.


Lol yeah, there was a period of time with a lot of those talented zergs popping up likes mushrooms indeed :D

The time wheere "Amazing fungal" turned into an oxymoron.
Kazahk
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States385 Posts
March 18 2016 18:09 GMT
#228
Didn't the term patchzerg come around the time of the queen ground range buff? idk when it first started getting thrown around it didnt make much sense to me no much less so now as it is applied to any zerg who used bl infestor.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19234 Posts
March 18 2016 18:51 GMT
#229
G.O.A.T. Patch Zerg
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 18:54:34
March 18 2016 18:54 GMT
#230
On March 19 2016 03:51 BisuDagger wrote:
G.O.A.T. Patch Zerg
[image loading]

haha i see what you did there
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 18 2016 18:55 GMT
#231
On March 19 2016 03:51 BisuDagger wrote:
G.O.A.T. Patch Zerg
[image loading]

what about that time when Artosis called the generation of 2hatch muta abusers the OG patchzergs
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19234 Posts
March 18 2016 18:56 GMT
#232
On March 19 2016 03:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:51 BisuDagger wrote:
G.O.A.T. Patch Zerg
[image loading]

haha i see what you did there

I never like to take credit something amazing created by someone else, however I'm always willing to accept blame. Here's the reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/90341-pics-hwaseung-oz-new-recruits
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-18 19:00:46
March 18 2016 19:00 GMT
#233
On March 19 2016 03:09 Kazahk wrote:
Didn't the term patchzerg come around the time of the queen ground range buff? idk when it first started getting thrown around it didnt make much sense to me no much less so now as it is applied to any zerg who used bl infestor.

BL-infestor is an army composition that is intrinsically tied with the queen range buff, at least as far as the timeline in SC2's history is concerned. Gameplay-wise, Zerg got very good at early game defense, which allowed them to pool resources much faster and reach that army composition too quickly for the other races to deal with efficiently.
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
March 18 2016 20:37 GMT
#234
Good piece, good piece. Sniper is the devil.
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
March 18 2016 20:44 GMT
#235
I think Sniper got too much hate compared to other patch zergs because he made Eve cry
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 18 2016 23:11 GMT
#236
On March 19 2016 03:56 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 19 2016 03:51 BisuDagger wrote:
G.O.A.T. Patch Zerg
[image loading]

haha i see what you did there

I never like to take credit something amazing created by someone else, however I'm always willing to accept blame. Here's the reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/90341-pics-hwaseung-oz-new-recruits

Oh i know where it is coming from I wasn't part of the starcraft community back then but i did my fair bit of research after falling in love with JD
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
March 18 2016 23:23 GMT
#237
On March 18 2016 03:24 Silvana wrote:
When is the PatchToss one coming?


I don't think we need an entire article about Seed.

+ Show Spoiler +
Kidding. I'm just still bitter about GSL 2012 Season 3
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12839 Posts
March 18 2016 23:33 GMT
#238
On March 19 2016 04:00 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 03:09 Kazahk wrote:
Didn't the term patchzerg come around the time of the queen ground range buff? idk when it first started getting thrown around it didnt make much sense to me no much less so now as it is applied to any zerg who used bl infestor.

BL-infestor is an army composition that is intrinsically tied with the queen range buff, at least as far as the timeline in SC2's history is concerned. Gameplay-wise, Zerg got very good at early game defense, which allowed them to pool resources much faster and reach that army composition too quickly for the other races to deal with efficiently.

That plus infestor's fungals were instant so it was incredibly easy on the zerg side and hard on the other side (especially terrans because of marines), the easy holds early game and the OP+easy composition lategame allowed any top master to quickly become relevant, and current pros to beat higher tier players (VortiX...).
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
March 19 2016 00:20 GMT
#239
But tasteless said VortiX had the best brood lord control in the world. Or was it brood lord pushes. Can't remember.


Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-19 01:38:05
March 19 2016 01:37 GMT
#240
Innovation has the best all time Aligulac rating out of any terran player. Regardless of definition, it's absolutely ridicoulous to claim he is a patch terran. At his peak someone like Taeja was just even compared to him. Taeja's tournament results are however inflated because he met so many weaker players. Good thing that Aligulac takes skill into account so we can get rid of bias.
Lil_nooblet
Profile Joined March 2016
United States459 Posts
March 19 2016 01:50 GMT
#241
On March 19 2016 10:37 Hider wrote:
Innovation has the best all time Aligulac rating out of any terran player. Regardless of definition, it's absolutely ridicoulous to claim he is a patch terran. At his peak someone like Taeja was just even compared to him. Taeja's tournament results are however inflated because he met so many weaker players. Good thing that Aligulac takes skill into account so we can get rid of bias.


Aligulac is one of the worst ways to measure a players skill.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-19 01:54:52
March 19 2016 01:53 GMT
#242
On March 19 2016 10:50 Lil_nooblet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 10:37 Hider wrote:
Innovation has the best all time Aligulac rating out of any terran player. Regardless of definition, it's absolutely ridicoulous to claim he is a patch terran. At his peak someone like Taeja was just even compared to him. Taeja's tournament results are however inflated because he met so many weaker players. Good thing that Aligulac takes skill into account so we can get rid of bias.


Aligulac is one of the worst ways to measure a players skill.


Okay, stats and raw numbers over a large sample size is a bad method? You want to use your feelings to judge skills? Emotions?

Or do you think you accuarately can judge how good a player was over hundreds of hundreds of games several years ago based on qualitative analysis?
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2646 Posts
March 19 2016 02:17 GMT
#243
On March 19 2016 10:53 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 10:50 Lil_nooblet wrote:
On March 19 2016 10:37 Hider wrote:
Innovation has the best all time Aligulac rating out of any terran player. Regardless of definition, it's absolutely ridicoulous to claim he is a patch terran. At his peak someone like Taeja was just even compared to him. Taeja's tournament results are however inflated because he met so many weaker players. Good thing that Aligulac takes skill into account so we can get rid of bias.


Aligulac is one of the worst ways to measure a players skill.


Okay, stats and raw numbers over a large sample size is a bad method? You want to use your feelings to judge skills? Emotions?

Or do you think you accuarately can judge how good a player was over hundreds of hundreds of games several years ago based on qualitative analysis?


Innovation is 12-20 in games and 4-9 in series vs TaeJa, with 2 of Inno's wins coming on online settings. That record is pretty darn one-sided.
GamIsSecHome
Profile Joined February 2016
5 Posts
March 19 2016 02:19 GMT
#244
Scarlett should easily be# 1
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 19 2016 02:20 GMT
#245
Sniper is my boy
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-19 02:41:34
March 19 2016 02:41 GMT
#246
On March 19 2016 11:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 10:53 Hider wrote:
On March 19 2016 10:50 Lil_nooblet wrote:
On March 19 2016 10:37 Hider wrote:
Innovation has the best all time Aligulac rating out of any terran player. Regardless of definition, it's absolutely ridicoulous to claim he is a patch terran. At his peak someone like Taeja was just even compared to him. Taeja's tournament results are however inflated because he met so many weaker players. Good thing that Aligulac takes skill into account so we can get rid of bias.


Aligulac is one of the worst ways to measure a players skill.


Okay, stats and raw numbers over a large sample size is a bad method? You want to use your feelings to judge skills? Emotions?

Or do you think you accuarately can judge how good a player was over hundreds of hundreds of games several years ago based on qualitative analysis?


Innovation is 12-20 in games and 4-9 in series vs TaeJa, with 2 of Inno's wins coming on online settings. That record is pretty darn one-sided.


Good thing reasonable people dont measure skill in a head to head record. With that logic I am sure we could get some pretty absurd conclusions.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 19 2016 04:12 GMT
#247
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-20 18:40:44
March 20 2016 18:32 GMT
#248
On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?

Zerg players and TL mods did, from what transpired in the LR threads.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
March 20 2016 19:07 GMT
#249
Did you know ViBE won the WCS 2012 USA championship, and is thus the last American player to ever win a major tournament? Did you know his highest placing in any other major tournament was Ro32?


Actually he made it to the finals of WCS NA 2012 before getting wrecked by Scarlett.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 20 2016 19:26 GMT
#250
On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?

HerO vs Leenock and HerO vs Annyeong are amongst my favorite games.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
March 20 2016 19:27 GMT
#251
On March 18 2016 12:12 Blardy wrote:
With only reading the title, I knew with 100% certainty that Sniper would be #1. Appears out of nowhere to win a GSL and to never be seen again.

To be fair he had carried MVP in the latter half of 2012 in team leagues mostly without BR infestor.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-21 23:58:01
March 21 2016 23:57 GMT
#252
Here's a question. Can we consider Freaky a patchzerg? In a way he was a proto-patchzerg. He was wrecking face with infestors before it was cool (for anyone but himself and Destiny). But his games were sweet. Before we started seeing something like that in every game. (But with more broodlords).

Actually I guess that may have been before the queen buff, so nevermind.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 22 2016 01:07 GMT
#253
On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?


PvZ was mostly shit. TvZ could still be really good at times.

Honestly, I didn't think the era was nearly as bad as people made it out to be. Blink era might be worse, with Maru and Polt being a major reason of making me think otherwise.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
March 22 2016 01:12 GMT
#254
On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?


you realize the purpose of this thread was to showcase the worst games including BL/Infestor?
There were some very sick games, Ryung vs DRG on Whirlwind for example and many others.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
March 22 2016 02:20 GMT
#255
On March 22 2016 08:57 TheDougler wrote:
Here's a question. Can we consider Freaky a patchzerg? In a way he was a proto-patchzerg. He was wrecking face with infestors before it was cool (for anyone but himself and Destiny). But his games were sweet. Before we started seeing something like that in every game. (But with more broodlords).

Actually I guess that may have been before the queen buff, so nevermind.

How can he be a patchzerg? Freaky was an artist.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 22 2016 02:27 GMT
#256
You put Leenock on this list and made an exemption for Stephano; whereas, you can make an argument that Leenock is actually one of the most versatile zerg players. W-t-h.
Kaizor
Profile Joined May 2015
Singapore909 Posts
March 22 2016 15:03 GMT
#257
It wasn't that long ago, max 1 year ago, when either a mod or a star poster called me out for naming Sniper a patchzerg and nothing more.

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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-22 15:12:41
March 22 2016 15:12 GMT
#258
On March 22 2016 11:27 StarStruck wrote:
You put Leenock on this list and made an exemption for Stephano; whereas, you can make an argument that Leenock is actually one of the most versatile zerg players. W-t-h.

Leenock was amazing, but what qualified him here is that he was ridiculously efficient with BL/inf (see his infamous game vs HerO on Antiga or the one vs Taeja on Cloud Kingdom where he beats a Terran up in bases and 30 supply up on ghost/viking with queen/fungal/BL)

So the point is that Leenock was actually just so good at abusing things he didn't have to abuse that he was an abuser.


The patchest of Zergs if you ask me.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15943 Posts
March 22 2016 15:37 GMT
#259
On March 22 2016 10:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?


PvZ was mostly shit. TvZ could still be really good at times.

Honestly, I didn't think the era was nearly as bad as people made it out to be. Blink era might be worse, with Maru and Polt being a major reason of making me think otherwise.

balance-wise the blink era was far worse but in terms of how entertaining the meta was the BL/infestor era was the worst era in sc2 history without any competition.
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fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
March 22 2016 16:02 GMT
#260
haha, the tension of the coin flip between the zerg player scoring the money neural or if the protoss will get the perfect flush of an archon toilet: PvZ during this era (like in that hero vs leenock game). It sucked in the sense that the game boiled down to that one moment at the end, but at the time, as a viewer, it was a real treat when the protoss pulled it off and beat the zerg down (I can recall at least one or two times it happened on daybreak)
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 22 2016 16:06 GMT
#261
On March 23 2016 01:02 fenrysk wrote:
haha, the tension of the coin flip between the zerg player scoring the money neural or if the protoss will get the perfect flush of an archon toilet: PvZ during this era (like in that hero vs leenock game). It sucked in the sense that the game boiled down to that one moment at the end, but at the time, as a viewer, it was a real treat when the protoss pulled it off and beat the zerg down (I can recall at least one or two times it happened on daybreak)


it also sucked

because vortex

haha

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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3102 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-22 17:16:59
March 22 2016 17:16 GMT
#262
One of my deepest regrets is that I largely missed late WoL (I took a break from watching competitive SC for about a year around this time). Mostly because I really enjoy disastrousness in general. Heck, it's kind of indecent how much I enjoyed watching SH games with a LR thread full of people poking their own eyes out.

...I think I might be a bad person.

For me, though, the whole BL/Infestor thing always makes me remember how terrible literally everyone was in WoL Beta. I remember people complaining about how bad the Infestor was constantly, and Blizzard buffing it over and over again because no one was using it. They even put the fungal projectile thing in for a patch, and everyone literally lost their minds complaining about how hard it was to use now until they took it out again.

Anyway, I plan to take some time this weekend to catch up on what I missed. It'll be an Easter treat...or at least appropriate viewing for Good Friday.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
March 22 2016 19:26 GMT
#263
On March 23 2016 00:37 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 10:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?


PvZ was mostly shit. TvZ could still be really good at times.

Honestly, I didn't think the era was nearly as bad as people made it out to be. Blink era might be worse, with Maru and Polt being a major reason of making me think otherwise.

balance-wise the blink era was far worse but in terms of how entertaining the meta was the BL/infestor era was the worst era in sc2 history without any competition.

I found BL games more entertaining than SH. But I can see why one might disagree.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
March 22 2016 19:28 GMT
#264
On March 21 2016 04:07 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
Did you know ViBE won the WCS 2012 USA championship, and is thus the last American player to ever win a major tournament? Did you know his highest placing in any other major tournament was Ro32?


Actually he made it to the finals of WCS NA 2012 before getting wrecked by Scarlett.

Man...when random people like ViBE were a thing...
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
March 14 2018 12:20 GMT
#265
ah the good old time of WOL with BL/infest. glorious days they were... You forgot DRG in your list.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 14 2018 12:39 GMT
#266
On March 14 2018 21:20 Mun_Su wrote:
ah the good old time of WOL with BL/infest. glorious days they were... You forgot DRG in your list.


???

Wasn't DRG still trying to make muta/ling work during that era? Not to mention, nearly all of his accomplishments happened prior to BL/Infestor
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
March 14 2018 12:45 GMT
#267
On March 14 2018 21:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2018 21:20 Mun_Su wrote:
ah the good old time of WOL with BL/infest. glorious days they were... You forgot DRG in your list.


???

Wasn't DRG still trying to make muta/ling work during that era? Not to mention, nearly all of his accomplishments happened prior to BL/Infestor



It was a troll ^^
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
March 14 2018 16:18 GMT
#268
Wow, epic bump
oGsTotoro
Profile Joined December 2017
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-14 17:05:23
March 14 2018 17:01 GMT
#269
I'm not sure if RorO should be ranked that high. He has been the best Zerg in Proleague for over 2 years ( 2012-13 and 2014 Proleague). While his results in the individual leagues weren't quite up to par, i would argue that him being the best Zerg in Proleague for a long time makes up for that quite a bit
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
March 14 2018 17:04 GMT
#270
Waiting for the update with Rogue replacing Sniper as #1
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MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1000 Posts
January 18 2024 15:23 GMT
#271
Mizenhauer's GOAT article mentioned Stuchiu's GOAT article and that reminded me of this article.

I thought it warranted a bump for those who are unaware of this genius piece of writing!

"You have to play for yourself, you have to play to get better; you can't play to make other people happy, that's not gonna ever sustain you." - NonY
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1854 Posts
January 18 2024 16:39 GMT
#272
On January 19 2024 00:23 MJG wrote:
Mizenhauer's GOAT article mentioned Stuchiu's GOAT article and that reminded me of this article.

I thought it warranted a bump for those who are unaware of this genius piece of writing!



Younger wax could really pop off once he got into his bag.
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FataLe
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand4501 Posts
January 18 2024 22:24 GMT
#273
Somehow missed this article when it came out. Still, when I read the title I immediately thought Sniper #1 for sure. Leaving satisfied.
hi. big fan.
Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
204 Posts
January 18 2024 22:43 GMT
#274
Kind of forgot what a legendary thread this was, lol.
Pentarp
Profile Joined August 2015
219 Posts
January 18 2024 22:52 GMT
#275
So good; especially stuchiu's portion.
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