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On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide.
Do you watch League ?
The only think that lacks in this WCS system is more than only one global event. If you want to watch koreans go watch korean leagues (and I do). But stop complaining about them being held out from every foreign tournament, everyone has its own and Blizzard tried.
The purpose is to have a sustainable foreign scene in the long term (aka not dead game), not tournaments organized for koreans beneficiting of the korean ladder/infrastructures/organisations and so on, to come and grab the money.
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Where there's smoke, there's fire. People wouldn't be whining so hard if there wasn't an actual problem somewhere. Namely, stifling Koreans because we don't like Asian people being better at Starcraft than white people. :/
If foreigners were actually good at the game then this wouldn't be a problem. Now, foreigners being bad isn't a problem in itself, but it becomes a problem when you legitimately stigmatize a category of players from what are supposed to be open and global events.
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On January 25 2016 02:54 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Some public schools make no distinction between mentally handicapped students and regular students, mixing them freely in classes. The majority, however, put all the mentally handicapped in a Special Education class so that they don't disrupt regular students and waste their class time, while providing them with a caring and nurturing environment that doesn't place judgment or unfair expectations on them. This is ultimately better for the Special Education participants, because they can associate more freely with others who suffer from limited mental faculties without the social pressure of their more able peers. They have a lower chance for depression, and have higher self-esteem. The standards for success are lower, so everyone can succeed. This in turn is more convenient and rewarding for the parents/guardians/fans of these students. Blizzard simply took a system that was already in place elsewhere, saw the benefits, and applied it.
Well, now that is offensive... This thread is sad.
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On January 25 2016 02:59 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Do you watch League ? The only think that lacks in this WCS system is more than only one global event. If you want to watch koreans go watch korean leagues (and I do). But stop complaining about them being held out from every foreign tournament, everyone has its own and Blizzard tried. The purpose is to have a sustainable foreign scene in the long term (aka not dead game), not tournaments organized for koreans beneficiting of the korean ladder/infrastructures/organisations and so on, to come and grab the money.
"If you want to watch koreans go watch korean leagues" until you can't because they all retire because there's not enough money for all the talent that's already there. Not some potential talent that may or may not come when these players stop shitposting on reddit/twitter and start practicing for real, but some talent that's already there and the best in the world, mind you. 
And we have no proof that this change will actually lead to a "sustainable foreign scene". In fact I don't understand your obsession with a "sustainable foreign scene".
On January 25 2016 02:59 Incognoto wrote:
Where there's smoke, there's fire. People wouldn't be whining so hard if there wasn't an actual problem somewhere. Namely, stifling Koreans because we don't like Asian people being better at Starcraft than white people. :/
If foreigners were actually good at the game then this wouldn't be a problem. Now, foreigners being bad isn't a problem in itself, but it becomes a problem when you legitimately stigmatize a category of players from what are supposed to be open and global events.
Big +1 from me.
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On January 25 2016 02:54 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Some public schools make no distinction between mentally handicapped students and regular students, mixing them freely in classes. The majority, however, put all the mentally handicapped in a Special Education class so that they don't disrupt regular students and waste their class time, while providing them with a caring and nurturing environment that doesn't place judgment or unfair expectations on them. This is ultimately better for the Special Education participants, because they can associate more freely with others who suffer from limited mental faculties without the social pressure of their more able peers. They have a lower chance for depression, and have higher self-esteem. The standards for success are lower, so everyone can succeed. This in turn is more convenient and rewarding for the parents/guardians/fans of these students. Blizzard simply took a system that was already in place elsewhere, saw the benefits, and applied it.
Shots fired!
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On January 25 2016 02:59 Incognoto wrote:
Where there's smoke, there's fire. People wouldn't be whining so hard if there wasn't an actual problem somewhere.
where there is smoke .. you have no idea where the actual fire is. people misdiagnose why they are pissed off or bored or unhappy a billion times a day on this planet. everything from the cocaine drug economy to the sugar-filled-soft-drink market rests upon the average person misdiagnosing why they are unhappy or bored.
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On January 25 2016 03:01 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 02:54 Jealous wrote:On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Some public schools make no distinction between mentally handicapped students and regular students, mixing them freely in classes. The majority, however, put all the mentally handicapped in a Special Education class so that they don't disrupt regular students and waste their class time, while providing them with a caring and nurturing environment that doesn't place judgment or unfair expectations on them. This is ultimately better for the Special Education participants, because they can associate more freely with others who suffer from limited mental faculties without the social pressure of their more able peers. They have a lower chance for depression, and have higher self-esteem. The standards for success are lower, so everyone can succeed. This in turn is more convenient and rewarding for the parents/guardians/fans of these students. Blizzard simply took a system that was already in place elsewhere, saw the benefits, and applied it. Well, now that is offensive... This thread is sad.
Sorry, was meant to be a metaphor.
EDIT: Post revised to reflect this.
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On January 25 2016 02:59 Incognoto wrote:
Where there's smoke, there's fire. People wouldn't be whining so hard if there wasn't an actual problem somewhere. Namely, stifling Koreans because we don't like Asian people being better at Starcraft than white people. :/
If foreigners were actually good at the game then this wouldn't be a problem. Now, foreigners being bad isn't a problem in itself, but it becomes a problem when you legitimately stigmatize a category of players from what are supposed to be open and global events.
Sigh here we go again
- Not all foreigners are white
- The Chinese suck just as much as the rest
Whatever side of the discussion you're on, don't make it about race pls, because it's not about that
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On January 25 2016 03:01 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 02:54 Jealous wrote:On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Some public schools make no distinction between mentally handicapped students and regular students, mixing them freely in classes. The majority, however, put all the mentally handicapped in a Special Education class so that they don't disrupt regular students and waste their class time, while providing them with a caring and nurturing environment that doesn't place judgment or unfair expectations on them. This is ultimately better for the Special Education participants, because they can associate more freely with others who suffer from limited mental faculties without the social pressure of their more able peers. They have a lower chance for depression, and have higher self-esteem. The standards for success are lower, so everyone can succeed. This in turn is more convenient and rewarding for the parents/guardians/fans of these students. Blizzard simply took a system that was already in place elsewhere, saw the benefits, and applied it. Well, now that is offensive... This thread is sad.
well its a russian typing, what do you expect?
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On January 25 2016 03:08 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 03:01 Pr0wler wrote:On January 25 2016 02:54 Jealous wrote:On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Some public schools make no distinction between mentally handicapped students and regular students, mixing them freely in classes. The majority, however, put all the mentally handicapped in a Special Education class so that they don't disrupt regular students and waste their class time, while providing them with a caring and nurturing environment that doesn't place judgment or unfair expectations on them. This is ultimately better for the Special Education participants, because they can associate more freely with others who suffer from limited mental faculties without the social pressure of their more able peers. They have a lower chance for depression, and have higher self-esteem. The standards for success are lower, so everyone can succeed. This in turn is more convenient and rewarding for the parents/guardians/fans of these students. Blizzard simply took a system that was already in place elsewhere, saw the benefits, and applied it. Well, now that is offensive... This thread is sad. well its a russian typing, what do you expect?
The war ended in 1918, calm down brother.
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On January 25 2016 03:11 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 03:08 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 03:01 Pr0wler wrote:On January 25 2016 02:54 Jealous wrote:On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Some public schools make no distinction between mentally handicapped students and regular students, mixing them freely in classes. The majority, however, put all the mentally handicapped in a Special Education class so that they don't disrupt regular students and waste their class time, while providing them with a caring and nurturing environment that doesn't place judgment or unfair expectations on them. This is ultimately better for the Special Education participants, because they can associate more freely with others who suffer from limited mental faculties without the social pressure of their more able peers. They have a lower chance for depression, and have higher self-esteem. The standards for success are lower, so everyone can succeed. This in turn is more convenient and rewarding for the parents/guardians/fans of these students. Blizzard simply took a system that was already in place elsewhere, saw the benefits, and applied it. Well, now that is offensive... This thread is sad. well its a russian typing, what do you expect? The war ended in 1918, calm down brother.
1918? Nice history m8 :D
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On January 25 2016 03:06 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 02:59 Incognoto wrote:
Where there's smoke, there's fire. People wouldn't be whining so hard if there wasn't an actual problem somewhere. Namely, stifling Koreans because we don't like Asian people being better at Starcraft than white people. :/
If foreigners were actually good at the game then this wouldn't be a problem. Now, foreigners being bad isn't a problem in itself, but it becomes a problem when you legitimately stigmatize a category of players from what are supposed to be open and global events. Sigh here we go again - Not all foreigners are white - The Chinese suck just as much as the rest Whatever side of the discussion you're on, don't make it about race pls, because it's not about that
You're right, this has nothing to do with ethnicity. I should have been more precise about that point instead of being pointlessly vague.
Basically my problem is that we're cutting the players who come from the strongest scene (Korea) out of events which are supposed to be open and global. The sole reason is that they're too good compared to the rest of the world. The Korean scene was already borderline stifled and thanks to Blizzard's meddling and pampering of foreigners, it is already more so.
Sucks to be Korean if you want to play Starcraft!
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On January 25 2016 03:01 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 02:59 Ppjack wrote:On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Do you watch League ? The only think that lacks in this WCS system is more than only one global event. If you want to watch koreans go watch korean leagues (and I do). But stop complaining about them being held out from every foreign tournament, everyone has its own and Blizzard tried. The purpose is to have a sustainable foreign scene in the long term (aka not dead game), not tournaments organized for koreans beneficiting of the korean ladder/infrastructures/organisations and so on, to come and grab the money. "If you want to watch koreans go watch korean leagues" until you can't because they all retire because there's not enough money for all the talent that's already there. Not some potential talent that may or may not come when these players stop shitposting on reddit/twitter and start practicing for real, but some talent that's already there and the best in the world, mind you. And we have no proof that this change will actually lead to a "sustainable foreign scene". In fact I don't understand your obsession with a "sustainable foreign scene".
Until you can prove that having only a korean scene where no foreigner can enter because of its own structure is good for starcraft2, I will support the developpment of foreign (aka fucking rest of the world) esport.
Starcraft does not live in its own time. If any game can be as sustainable as cs:go or league in term of business opportunities and entertainment, you should always follow this path and developp your market as much as you can.
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On January 25 2016 03:13 Ppjack wrote:
Until you can prove that having only a korean scene where no foreigner can enter because of its own structure is good for starcraft2, I will support the developpment of foreign (aka fucking rest of the world) esport.
Is the fact that previous DreamHack events had better viewership proof enough? If not, I'm willing to wait to make the same argument when numbers are low for other events as well.
On January 25 2016 03:13 Ppjack wrote:
Starcraft does not live in its own time. If any game can be as sustainable as cs:go or league in term of business opportunities and entertainment, you should always follow this path and developp your market as much as you can.
Oh I see, you're one of those esports zealots who thinks every game that doesn't have 50 million viewers (because League and CS:GO totally aren't exceptions) is dead or that somehow this is a feasible goal for SC2, a much more niche game in a niche and declining genre. Carry on then.
Actually no, feel free to teach more about this scene that I have followed for almost 6 years (and BW for much longer before that), it's quite amusing. 
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On January 25 2016 03:13 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 03:01 207aicila wrote:On January 25 2016 02:59 Ppjack wrote:On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Do you watch League ? The only think that lacks in this WCS system is more than only one global event. If you want to watch koreans go watch korean leagues (and I do). But stop complaining about them being held out from every foreign tournament, everyone has its own and Blizzard tried. The purpose is to have a sustainable foreign scene in the long term (aka not dead game), not tournaments organized for koreans beneficiting of the korean ladder/infrastructures/organisations and so on, to come and grab the money. "If you want to watch koreans go watch korean leagues" until you can't because they all retire because there's not enough money for all the talent that's already there. Not some potential talent that may or may not come when these players stop shitposting on reddit/twitter and start practicing for real, but some talent that's already there and the best in the world, mind you. And we have no proof that this change will actually lead to a "sustainable foreign scene". In fact I don't understand your obsession with a "sustainable foreign scene". Until you can prove that having only a korean scene where no foreigner can enter because of its own structure is good for starcraft2, I will support the developpment of foreign (aka fucking rest of the world) esport. Starcraft does not live in its own time. If any game can be as sustainable as cs:go or league in term of business opportunities and entertainment, you should always follow this path and developp your market as much as you can.
There is nothing wrong with supporting the foreigner scene, however it must not be done in a way which is unfair to Korean players; especially not on the basis that Korean players are too good.
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people are bored of RTS games. all this finger-pointing is entertaining though; its so much easier to blame something specific and concrete. "shifting consumer tastes" is too intangible. people need a "bad guy".. its easier that way... it makes the decline of the genre seem to make more sense that way.
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Is it me or the shitposting slowly started to crawl here on this thread from twitter?
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On January 25 2016 03:12 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 03:06 Penev wrote:On January 25 2016 02:59 Incognoto wrote:
Where there's smoke, there's fire. People wouldn't be whining so hard if there wasn't an actual problem somewhere. Namely, stifling Koreans because we don't like Asian people being better at Starcraft than white people. :/
If foreigners were actually good at the game then this wouldn't be a problem. Now, foreigners being bad isn't a problem in itself, but it becomes a problem when you legitimately stigmatize a category of players from what are supposed to be open and global events. Sigh here we go again - Not all foreigners are white - The Chinese suck just as much as the rest Whatever side of the discussion you're on, don't make it about race pls, because it's not about that You're right, this has nothing to do with ethnicity. I should have been more precise about that point instead of being pointlessly vague. Basically my problem is that we're cutting the players who come from the strongest scene (Korea) out of events which are supposed to be open and global. The sole reason is that they're too good compared to the rest of the world. The Korean scene was already borderline stifled and thanks to Blizzard's meddling and pampering of foreigners, it is already more so. Sucks to be Korean if you want to play Starcraft!
I'm still hoping for Blizz to intervene and make sure we have at least some global events where Koreans and foreigners meet..
On January 25 2016 03:11 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 03:08 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 03:01 Pr0wler wrote:On January 25 2016 02:54 Jealous wrote:On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Some public schools make no distinction between mentally handicapped students and regular students, mixing them freely in classes. The majority, however, put all the mentally handicapped in a Special Education class so that they don't disrupt regular students and waste their class time, while providing them with a caring and nurturing environment that doesn't place judgment or unfair expectations on them. This is ultimately better for the Special Education participants, because they can associate more freely with others who suffer from limited mental faculties without the social pressure of their more able peers. They have a lower chance for depression, and have higher self-esteem. The standards for success are lower, so everyone can succeed. This in turn is more convenient and rewarding for the parents/guardians/fans of these students. Blizzard simply took a system that was already in place elsewhere, saw the benefits, and applied it. Well, now that is offensive... This thread is sad. well its a russian typing, what do you expect? The war ended in 1918, calm down brother.
You guys fought in WWI as well? WWII still a long time ago idd tho 
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On January 25 2016 02:59 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 02:44 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 01:48 DJHelium wrote:On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).
Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies. Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it. I read the article. "The Korean scene is slowly dying out and the new WCS 2016 system does nothin to help it." Who sets WCS 2016? Blizzard.. Honestly I just have popcorn here with me, seeing foreigners and those who cast them crying about how they're finally free from Korea's reign of terror. My respect for the foreign starcraft community descends a little more each day. I'm just hoping that the mediatic shit-storm makes Blizzards re-evaluate their policy. The mixing of Korea and the foreign land was really good for both scenes: Koreans and foreigners. We were starting to get to the point where it was slowly become ONE big huge scene and it was awesome to see. Now we have this big ugly divide. Do you watch League ? The only think that lacks in this WCS system is more than only one global event. If you want to watch koreans go watch korean leagues (and I do). But stop complaining about them being held out from every foreign tournament, everyone has its own and Blizzard tried. The purpose is to have a sustainable foreign scene in the long term (aka not dead game), not tournaments organized for koreans beneficiting of the korean ladder/infrastructures/organisations and so on, to come and grab the money.
So a european organization held a tournament in Europe, why were americans allowed to come and grab our money? This makes no sense.
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On January 25 2016 03:20 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 03:12 Incognoto wrote:On January 25 2016 03:06 Penev wrote:On January 25 2016 02:59 Incognoto wrote:
Where there's smoke, there's fire. People wouldn't be whining so hard if there wasn't an actual problem somewhere. Namely, stifling Koreans because we don't like Asian people being better at Starcraft than white people. :/
If foreigners were actually good at the game then this wouldn't be a problem. Now, foreigners being bad isn't a problem in itself, but it becomes a problem when you legitimately stigmatize a category of players from what are supposed to be open and global events. Sigh here we go again - Not all foreigners are white - The Chinese suck just as much as the rest Whatever side of the discussion you're on, don't make it about race pls, because it's not about that You're right, this has nothing to do with ethnicity. I should have been more precise about that point instead of being pointlessly vague. Basically my problem is that we're cutting the players who come from the strongest scene (Korea) out of events which are supposed to be open and global. The sole reason is that they're too good compared to the rest of the world. The Korean scene was already borderline stifled and thanks to Blizzard's meddling and pampering of foreigners, it is already more so. Sucks to be Korean if you want to play Starcraft! I'm still hoping for Blizz to intervene and make sure we have at least some global events where Koreans and foreigners meet..
yes, that would be a lot more fair. it's fine to have some regional events, but you can't lock all koreans from starcraft events which don't take place in Korea. I think blizzard should seriously re-evaluate this aspect and look to provide all scenes with some proper treatment.
We're looking at diminished viewer numbers in SC2 and attributing that to Koreans dominating foreigners. But that simply is not the case.
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