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SC2's shrinking talent pool: stuchiu on ESPN - Page 20

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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
January 24 2016 15:29 GMT
#381
On January 25 2016 00:25 Musicus wrote:
I still wonder what Apollo finds debatable about Korea not seeing enough new talent for sc2 and that the new WCS doesn't help.

Now you can debate whether it should help like TRV does, but that's a different topic.


The answer probably lies in that (funny) reddit post he did back in the day when WCS changes were announced. I think it's something along the lines "Koreans get more prize money from Blizzard" and assuming that there will Global Events (LOL).
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 15:36:03
January 24 2016 15:30 GMT
#382
On January 25 2016 00:18 Ppjack wrote:
(eg: last tweet to harstem).

This is his last tweet to Harstem.

I have no idea what you're talking about on that end.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
January 24 2016 15:31 GMT
#383
On January 25 2016 00:25 Musicus wrote:
I still wonder what Apollo finds debatable about Korea not seeing enough new talent for sc2 and that the new WCS doesn't help.

Now you can debate whether it should help like TRV does, but that's a different topic.

I don't think people find it debatable as much as they just generally react poorly to inconvenient truths. This is the livinghood of a bunch of good people after all.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 15:33:53
January 24 2016 15:32 GMT
#384
On January 25 2016 00:29 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 00:25 Musicus wrote:
I still wonder what Apollo finds debatable about Korea not seeing enough new talent for sc2 and that the new WCS doesn't help.

Now you can debate whether it should help like TRV does, but that's a different topic.


The answer probably lies in that (funny) reddit post he did back in the day when WCS changes were announced. I think it's something along the lines "Koreans get more prize money from Blizzard" and assuming that there will Global Events (LOL).


LOL indeed . That prize money will go to the Innos/Life/Zests who are already in a healthy spot anyway. Open qualifiers for lots of different tournaments is what Korea needs and so far it only has two less.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
January 24 2016 15:35 GMT
#385
On January 25 2016 00:32 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 00:29 Silvana wrote:
On January 25 2016 00:25 Musicus wrote:
I still wonder what Apollo finds debatable about Korea not seeing enough new talent for sc2 and that the new WCS doesn't help.

Now you can debate whether it should help like TRV does, but that's a different topic.


The answer probably lies in that (funny) reddit post he did back in the day when WCS changes were announced. I think it's something along the lines "Koreans get more prize money from Blizzard" and assuming that there will Global Events (LOL).


LOL indeed . That prize money will go to the Innos/Life/Zests who are already in a healthy spot anyway. Open qualifiers for lots of different tournaments is what Korea needs and so far it only has two less.


To be honest, did the 2015 solve this issue? I mean even when the weekend tournaments were opened, they were dominated by Inno / Life / Zest / sOs tier...
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
January 24 2016 15:35 GMT
#386
On January 25 2016 00:25 Musicus wrote:
I still wonder what Apollo finds debatable about Korea not seeing enough new talent for sc2 and that the new WCS doesn't help.

Now you can debate whether it should help like TRV does, but that's a different topic.

Well, even stuchiu calls the article debatable. Though I agree, Korea not seeing much new talent and the new WCS not helping is barely debatable, I do think he'd have an easier time now if half the article wasn't about the retirements of people who didn't necessarily retire because of WCS. It'll cause people to stop reading and leave them with the wrong impression.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
January 24 2016 15:36 GMT
#387
On January 25 2016 00:32 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 00:29 Silvana wrote:
On January 25 2016 00:25 Musicus wrote:
I still wonder what Apollo finds debatable about Korea not seeing enough new talent for sc2 and that the new WCS doesn't help.

Now you can debate whether it should help like TRV does, but that's a different topic.


The answer probably lies in that (funny) reddit post he did back in the day when WCS changes were announced. I think it's something along the lines "Koreans get more prize money from Blizzard" and assuming that there will Global Events (LOL).


LOL indeed . That prize money will go to the Innos/Life/Zests who are already in a healthy spot anyway. Open qualifiers for lots of different tournaments is what Korea needs and so far it only has two less.


Well Code A gave a nice amount of money to each player compared to previous years, so they've improved a bit in that aspect. What is fucking them so hard is that there's 1 less season of GSL and SSL, and that one doesn't even have Challenger anymore. This means the total prize money for this year, while bigger, is less distributed.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 24 2016 15:39 GMT
#388
On January 25 2016 00:36 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 00:32 Musicus wrote:
On January 25 2016 00:29 Silvana wrote:
On January 25 2016 00:25 Musicus wrote:
I still wonder what Apollo finds debatable about Korea not seeing enough new talent for sc2 and that the new WCS doesn't help.

Now you can debate whether it should help like TRV does, but that's a different topic.


The answer probably lies in that (funny) reddit post he did back in the day when WCS changes were announced. I think it's something along the lines "Koreans get more prize money from Blizzard" and assuming that there will Global Events (LOL).


LOL indeed . That prize money will go to the Innos/Life/Zests who are already in a healthy spot anyway. Open qualifiers for lots of different tournaments is what Korea needs and so far it only has two less.


Well Code A gave a nice amount of money to each player compared to previous years, so they've improved a bit in that aspect. What is fucking them so hard is that there's 1 less season of GSL and SSL, and that one doesn't even have Challenger anymore. This means the total prize money for this year, while bigger, is less distributed.


Yep, the prize money beeing less top heavy is a good start. Now they just need to spread it out over more tournaments instead of less.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 24 2016 15:40 GMT
#389
On January 25 2016 00:35 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 00:25 Musicus wrote:
I still wonder what Apollo finds debatable about Korea not seeing enough new talent for sc2 and that the new WCS doesn't help.

Now you can debate whether it should help like TRV does, but that's a different topic.

Well, even stuchiu calls the article debatable. Though I agree, Korea not seeing much new talent and the new WCS not helping is barely debatable, I do think he'd have an easier time now if half the article wasn't about the retirements of people who didn't necessarily retire because of WCS. It'll cause people to stop reading and leave them with the wrong impression.


Yeah for sure, the whole "retirement of the big 4" section made life hard for stuchiu :/.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
January 24 2016 15:45 GMT
#390
On January 25 2016 00:39 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 00:36 Silvana wrote:
On January 25 2016 00:32 Musicus wrote:
On January 25 2016 00:29 Silvana wrote:
On January 25 2016 00:25 Musicus wrote:
I still wonder what Apollo finds debatable about Korea not seeing enough new talent for sc2 and that the new WCS doesn't help.

Now you can debate whether it should help like TRV does, but that's a different topic.


The answer probably lies in that (funny) reddit post he did back in the day when WCS changes were announced. I think it's something along the lines "Koreans get more prize money from Blizzard" and assuming that there will Global Events (LOL).


LOL indeed . That prize money will go to the Innos/Life/Zests who are already in a healthy spot anyway. Open qualifiers for lots of different tournaments is what Korea needs and so far it only has two less.


Well Code A gave a nice amount of money to each player compared to previous years, so they've improved a bit in that aspect. What is fucking them so hard is that there's 1 less season of GSL and SSL, and that one doesn't even have Challenger anymore. This means the total prize money for this year, while bigger, is less distributed.


Yep, the prize money beeing less top heavy is a good start. Now they just need to spread it out over more tournaments instead of less.

Well, it's not even that it's less top heavy but more like that the foundation was strengthened. The winner of Code S gets the same amount as last year, for example, but everyone below him now gets more reasonable amounts because the prize pool was upped (funnily enough GSL is still way less then any season of WCS last year).


I think NASL sound guy finally found his match in ESPN twitter guy.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12632 Posts
January 24 2016 15:45 GMT
#391
Great article as usual
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
January 24 2016 15:46 GMT
#392
On January 25 2016 00:30 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 00:18 Ppjack wrote:
(eg: last tweet to harstem).

This is his last tweet to Harstem.
https://twitter.com/TLstuchiu/status/689848055089082369
I have no idea what you're talking about on that end.


It was PtitDrogo actually. But anyway, that's just me not being as hardcore, and Stuchiu tweets whatever he wants


<;o)
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 16:14:08
January 24 2016 16:01 GMT
#393
On January 25 2016 00:46 Ppjack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 00:30 Elentos wrote:
On January 25 2016 00:18 Ppjack wrote:
(eg: last tweet to harstem).

This is his last tweet to Harstem.
https://twitter.com/TLstuchiu/status/689848055089082369
I have no idea what you're talking about on that end.


It was PtitDrogo actually. But anyway, that's just me not being as hardcore, and Stuchiu tweets whatever he wants

https://twitter.com/TLstuchiu/status/690973247748202497

Eh, it's a throwback to one of the greatest tournaments ever in HotS that was defined by the epic run of Polt (using his own style others don't really play) against Protoss during a time where Protoss was really strong. And in the end there was one Protoss who beat him and won the tournament. It fits pretty well with uThermal's DH run if you think about it (and I'm not sure he could have found a comparable run ignoring Koreans)

In other news:
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 16:38:02
January 24 2016 16:30 GMT
#394
Nate pls stop, now.

A) Factually wrong, only Flash actually retired before the WCS announcement (though MMA would have retired regardless).
B) As if these players didn't know about those things before they were announced. There were rumors about the changes well over a week before the official announcement
C) The article makes a point to say the WCS changes are not the reason they retired, so what are those changes "used for" in that context? Nothing. The part about retirements is not about WCS changes.

I get the tweet is a piece of shit but don't project things onto the article it doesn't say.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
January 24 2016 16:30 GMT
#395
Good article, the fact that there aren't any new players on the scene is one of the reasons I've pulled back HARD from SC2. Also, just less time in my life
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 24 2016 16:37 GMT
#396
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).

Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies.
maru lover forever
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 16:45:50
January 24 2016 16:45 GMT
#397
On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety.

Probably. Last thing he said was that he hadn't read it at all and who knows if he had time to read it since then. His tweet sounds like that if he read it, he stopped reading right under Fantasy's picture
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
January 24 2016 16:48 GMT
#398
On January 25 2016 01:37 Incognoto wrote:
To be fair I think that Nathanias hasn't read the article in its entirety and is assuming that it's a "dead gaem" article (which it is not! on the contrary it's an article which signals a pretty big problem in how Blizzard is stifling the Korean scene).

Starcraft is nate's livelihood so it makes sense that he wouldn't be interesting in giving it credence. I think that were I in his shoes (or any foreigner casters shoe's) I would do my best to not comment on the article. Perhaps be a bit more vocal about Blizzards (borderline racist) policies.


Probably shouldn't comment on what the article is about without reading it.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 17:05:47
January 24 2016 17:00 GMT
#399
Well shit just hit the fan when Thorin entered the conversation. Can't even link all those tweets here .

Although this one is worth posting haha.



So classy.

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
January 24 2016 17:06 GMT
#400
On January 25 2016 02:00 Musicus wrote:
Well shit just hit the fan when Thorin entered the conversation. Can't even link all those tweets here .

Although this one is worth posting haha.

https://twitter.com/LiquidTLO/status/691304335486144513

I mean it's not like people try hard to understand what Thorin is saying, best example being

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