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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17187 Posts
January 24 2016 19:07 GMT
#461
On January 25 2016 03:58 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 03:55 Penev wrote:
On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:
Yeah posts like this make me think this is a racial issue. "Joking" or not, it misrepresents what the World Cup is and what WCS is. And deliberately so IMO.


Nah, he just means to say Spain and Brazil are the best nations in football so should be able to send more teams and the continent of Asia sucks so should be excluded (to make room for the extra teams the best are sending), sarcastically of course. But yeah, these analogies aren't helping much xD

Lets be honest, he's just salty the Netherlands didn't qualify for the EuroCup and fears that if it gets unlocked they'd never get into the worldcup looking at their level of play

i thought he was mad about their women's curling team losing to Canada 14-2
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 19:08:18
January 24 2016 19:07 GMT
#462
On January 25 2016 03:57 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:
Yeah posts like this make me think this is a racial issue. "Joking" or not, it misrepresents what the World Cup is and what WCS is. And deliberately so IMO.

https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/691307446011367425


This is not racial issue but stupidity issue. We are not fighting over because Foreigners are having more tournaments to play and win, we support that. But we say that should not come at the cost of Koreans. But no, lets keep shit posting twitter, that will be better as a community figurehead.

The article targets an issue with the Korean scene and that WCS changes ignores that and focuses only on the foreigners. What our glorious community figures do? Insulting and author and call him "shitter" while admitting not reading the article. Then slowly start saying "It was not my intention"

"IT IS AN HONEST MISTAKE"...

Now the whole twitter evolved and everyone joining their own sides and calling each other out over a tweet... A FUCKING TWEET!

And the drama continues tonight on twitter...

My personal favorite is that the tweet implies that people want less opportunities for non-Korean players and more for Korean players instead of just more opportunities for Korean ones. Handcuff all of them so they stop shitposting on twitter, I say.
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SmykuToronto
Profile Joined October 2014
Poland269 Posts
January 24 2016 19:07 GMT
#463
On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:

https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/691307446011367425

Let's introduce a rule in World Cup allowing all countries except for Germany to participate. Everyone can make stupid analogies in favor of any argument. It seems that alternatives for WCS 2016 hit casters' pockets really hard if they defend it so fiercely.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
January 24 2016 19:14 GMT
#464
On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:
Yeah posts like this make me think this is a racial issue. "Joking" or not, it misrepresents what the World Cup is and what WCS is. And deliberately so IMO.

https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/691307446011367425


Isn't 2012 WCS the closest thing we've had to the World Cup? What we have now is quite far away from that.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
January 24 2016 19:14 GMT
#465
On January 25 2016 04:07 SmykuToronto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:

https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/691307446011367425

Let's introduce a rule in World Cup allowing all countries except for Germany to participate. Everyone can make stupid analogies in favor of any argument. It seems that alternatives for WCS 2016 hit casters' pockets really hard if they defend it so fiercely.

But Korea still is playing and gets a ton of Blizzcon spots.......

And funny you mention the casters pockets when Nathanias lost his ESL job with this WCS change
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 19:17:53
January 24 2016 19:17 GMT
#466
On January 25 2016 04:07 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 03:57 WrathSCII wrote:
On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:
Yeah posts like this make me think this is a racial issue. "Joking" or not, it misrepresents what the World Cup is and what WCS is. And deliberately so IMO.

https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/691307446011367425


This is not racial issue but stupidity issue. We are not fighting over because Foreigners are having more tournaments to play and win, we support that. But we say that should not come at the cost of Koreans. But no, lets keep shit posting twitter, that will be better as a community figurehead.

The article targets an issue with the Korean scene and that WCS changes ignores that and focuses only on the foreigners. What our glorious community figures do? Insulting and author and call him "shitter" while admitting not reading the article. Then slowly start saying "It was not my intention"

"IT IS AN HONEST MISTAKE"...

Now the whole twitter evolved and everyone joining their own sides and calling each other out over a tweet... A FUCKING TWEET!

And the drama continues tonight on twitter...

My personal favorite is that the tweet implies that people want less opportunities for non-Korean players and more for Korean players instead of just more opportunities for Korean ones. Handcuff all of them so they stop shitposting on twitter, I say.

He's saying Koreans already have it good in the sense they get 8 spots, as much as the whole rest of the world. In football some continents get more spots than others (as you know). The WCS - football analogy is hilariously confusing, I hope this twitter thread keeps extending
I Protoss winner, could it be?
SmykuToronto
Profile Joined October 2014
Poland269 Posts
January 24 2016 19:20 GMT
#467
On January 25 2016 04:14 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 04:07 SmykuToronto wrote:
On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:

https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/691307446011367425

Let's introduce a rule in World Cup allowing all countries except for Germany to participate. Everyone can make stupid analogies in favor of any argument. It seems that alternatives for WCS 2016 hit casters' pockets really hard if they defend it so fiercely.

But Korea still is playing and gets a ton of Blizzcon spots.......

And funny you mention the casters pockets when Nathanias lost his ESL job with this WCS change

Maybe he would lose more with alternative. Apollo keeps tweeting how this system is for the best and how people don't know anything.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 19:24:01
January 24 2016 19:21 GMT
#468


#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 24 2016 19:21 GMT
#469
On January 25 2016 04:21 DJHelium wrote:
https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691339964089389056


First good tweet I read today, awesome!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
January 24 2016 19:22 GMT
#470
On January 25 2016 04:21 DJHelium wrote:
https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691339964089389056

That's good to hear
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
January 24 2016 19:23 GMT
#471
Wow this got interesting.

Not surprised by the response from the casters though. They can't really be negative about WCS. Disappointed in Nates response.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
January 24 2016 19:23 GMT
#472
On January 25 2016 04:21 DJHelium wrote:
https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691339964089389056


https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691340122017509376


Thank you!

Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war!

Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7155 Posts
January 24 2016 19:25 GMT
#473
On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 04:21 DJHelium wrote:
https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691339964089389056


https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691340122017509376


Thank you!

Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war!


How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 19:33:34
January 24 2016 19:26 GMT
#474
On January 25 2016 04:17 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 04:07 Elentos wrote:
On January 25 2016 03:57 WrathSCII wrote:
On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:
Yeah posts like this make me think this is a racial issue. "Joking" or not, it misrepresents what the World Cup is and what WCS is. And deliberately so IMO.

https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/691307446011367425


This is not racial issue but stupidity issue. We are not fighting over because Foreigners are having more tournaments to play and win, we support that. But we say that should not come at the cost of Koreans. But no, lets keep shit posting twitter, that will be better as a community figurehead.

The article targets an issue with the Korean scene and that WCS changes ignores that and focuses only on the foreigners. What our glorious community figures do? Insulting and author and call him "shitter" while admitting not reading the article. Then slowly start saying "It was not my intention"

"IT IS AN HONEST MISTAKE"...

Now the whole twitter evolved and everyone joining their own sides and calling each other out over a tweet... A FUCKING TWEET!

And the drama continues tonight on twitter...

My personal favorite is that the tweet implies that people want less opportunities for non-Korean players and more for Korean players instead of just more opportunities for Korean ones. Handcuff all of them so they stop shitposting on twitter, I say.

He's saying Koreans already have it good in the sense they get 8 spots, as much as the whole rest of the world. In football some continents get more spots than others (as you know). The WCS - football analogy is hilariously confusing, I hope this twitter thread keeps extending

It's also a hilariously bad analogy. A tennis analogy would be way more appropriate - WCS is like tennis tournaments imo - but I guess no caster knows shit about tennis.

On January 25 2016 04:21 DJHelium wrote:
https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691339964089389056
https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691340122017509376

Canata is a hero tbh (kenzi too ofc). But yeah, I'm willing to give things time. It's just that the outlook right now is not the best for the Korean scene, and not even that great for SC2 in general.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17187 Posts
January 24 2016 19:29 GMT
#475
On January 25 2016 04:20 SmykuToronto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 04:14 jmbthirteen wrote:
On January 25 2016 04:07 SmykuToronto wrote:
On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:

https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/691307446011367425

Let's introduce a rule in World Cup allowing all countries except for Germany to participate. Everyone can make stupid analogies in favor of any argument. It seems that alternatives for WCS 2016 hit casters' pockets really hard if they defend it so fiercely.

But Korea still is playing and gets a ton of Blizzcon spots.......

And funny you mention the casters pockets when Nathanias lost his ESL job with this WCS change

Maybe he would lose more with alternative. Apollo keeps tweeting how this system is for the best and how people don't know anything.


the pie is shrinking. it does not matter how Blizzard juggles the rules. the over all decline in major events means the over all amount of money paid to SC2 casters is falling; all these different proposed changes to league policies are just shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
January 24 2016 19:30 GMT
#476
On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:
On January 25 2016 04:21 DJHelium wrote:
https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691339964089389056


https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691340122017509376


Thank you!

Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war!


How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter.

By beeing generally super knowledgable and always stating his mind.

I'm not big into other esports, but go read his articles about BroodWar they are pretty fucking damn amazing quality

He knows a lot of stuff, a lot of minor stuff that you can easily overlook, his personality may split community views on him (i personally like it, but its super understandable how people would get angry at it) but his content is top notch
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-24 19:33:35
January 24 2016 19:33 GMT
#477
On January 25 2016 04:07 SmykuToronto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:

https://twitter.com/RotterdaM08/status/691307446011367425

Let's introduce a rule in World Cup allowing all countries except for Germany to participate. Everyone can make stupid analogies in favor of any argument. It seems that alternatives for WCS 2016 hit casters' pockets really hard if they defend it so fiercely.

It's not like Korea is banned from participating, players with visas can play in foreign tournaments and they will be sending 8 players to Blizzcon who competed in Korea (50%). So this analogy doesn't really hold up at all.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7155 Posts
January 24 2016 19:33 GMT
#478
On January 25 2016 04:30 Arvendilin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:
On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:
On January 25 2016 04:21 DJHelium wrote:
https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691339964089389056


https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/691340122017509376


Thank you!

Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war!


How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter.

By beeing generally super knowledgable and always stating his mind.

I'm not big into other esports, but go read his articles about BroodWar they are pretty fucking damn amazing quality

He knows a lot of stuff, a lot of minor stuff that you can easily overlook, his personality may split community views on him (i personally like it, but its super understandable how people would get angry at it) but his content is top notch

I know Thorin does alot of good content, but hes also a really big drama queen who seems to like being controversial for controversialitys sake, which makes me dislike him on another level than his content.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55566 Posts
January 24 2016 19:34 GMT
#479

Savage.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
January 24 2016 19:34 GMT
#480
On January 25 2016 04:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
all these different proposed changes to league policies are just shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic.


Now this is a good analogy!
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