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On January 25 2016 04:33 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:07 SmykuToronto wrote:On January 25 2016 03:48 Deathstar wrote:
Let's introduce a rule in World Cup allowing all countries except for Germany to participate. Everyone can make stupid analogies in favor of any argument. It seems that alternatives for WCS 2016 hit casters' pockets really hard if they defend it so fiercely. It's not like Korea is banned from participating, players with visas can play in foreign tournaments and they will be sending 8 players to Blizzcon who competed in Korea (50%). So this analogy doesn't really hold up at all.
That's my point. As I said, "everyone can make stupid analogies in favor of any argument.". Rotti's analogy doesn't hold up either because WCS and World Cup or continental cups like Euro or Copa America are not comparable.
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On January 25 2016 04:30 Arvendilin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:On January 25 2016 04:21 DJHelium wrote:
Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter. By beeing generally super knowledgable and always stating his mind. I'm not big into other esports, but go read his articles about BroodWar they are pretty fucking damn amazing quality He knows a lot of stuff, a lot of minor stuff that you can easily overlook, his personality may split community views on him (i personally like it, but its super understandable how people would get angry at it) but his content is top notch
How the fuck can you even dare to call a foreigner knowledgable?
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On January 25 2016 04:36 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:30 Arvendilin wrote:On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter. By beeing generally super knowledgable and always stating his mind. I'm not big into other esports, but go read his articles about BroodWar they are pretty fucking damn amazing quality He knows a lot of stuff, a lot of minor stuff that you can easily overlook, his personality may split community views on him (i personally like it, but its super understandable how people would get angry at it) but his content is top notch How the fuck can you even dare to call a foreigner knowledgable?
Can Foreigners Even Have Knowledge?
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Interesting back and forth now. I'm going to stay out of it now for the most part, I was Temp banned once over this, I have no desire to do it again and I think I'm too passionate in one way but I'll simply say this as my last post in here, in regards to what I said earlier in the thread, besides an angry accusation to one guy calling him something evil, which I rightfully got the temp ban for, I can only use the line of the French Foreign Legion. "Je Ne Regrette Rein" - "I regret nothing"
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On January 25 2016 04:34 Elentos wrote:
Savage.
SGTK may be entry level but he's definitely a rising star
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On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter.
You seriously think Thorin's point, not his arguing style or replies, but his main point, is wrong?
Not even a fan or follower of the guy in any way, like I said previously, but it seems he's at least on the correct side of the argument this time.
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On January 25 2016 04:37 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:36 Big J wrote:On January 25 2016 04:30 Arvendilin wrote:On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter. By beeing generally super knowledgable and always stating his mind. I'm not big into other esports, but go read his articles about BroodWar they are pretty fucking damn amazing quality He knows a lot of stuff, a lot of minor stuff that you can easily overlook, his personality may split community views on him (i personally like it, but its super understandable how people would get angry at it) but his content is top notch How the fuck can you even dare to call a foreigner knowledgable? Can Foreigners Even Have Knowledge?
How could I know?
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On January 25 2016 04:36 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:30 Arvendilin wrote:On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter. By beeing generally super knowledgable and always stating his mind. I'm not big into other esports, but go read his articles about BroodWar they are pretty fucking damn amazing quality He knows a lot of stuff, a lot of minor stuff that you can easily overlook, his personality may split community views on him (i personally like it, but its super understandable how people would get angry at it) but his content is top notch How the fuck can you even dare to call a foreigner knowledgable?
Psshhhh we all know foreigners are super knowledgeable they are just too lazy to get their mechanics up :^)
EDIT: Okay That was too much, I apologize to Snute and all the other hardworking foreigners, but especially snute cuz he's cute and I don't want him to hate me 
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On January 25 2016 04:38 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter. You seriously think Thorin's point, not his arguing style or replies, but his main point, is wrong? Not even a fan or follower of the guy in any way, like I said previously, but it seems he's at least on the correct side of the argument this time.
Does he have a point to be wrong about? I'm having trouble telling what it's supposed to be from the way he's just flaming everyone.
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On January 25 2016 04:38 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter. You seriously think Thorin's point, not his arguing style or replies, but his main point, is wrong? Not even a fan or follower of the guy in any way, like I said previously, but it seems he's at least on the correct side of the argument this time.
? I dont think i commented thorins point at all, but his arguing style and replies precisely. Theres many sides to the argument, and i cannot be bothered to argue which i think is the smartest thing to do. I just think thorin is an insufferable asshole
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On January 25 2016 04:38 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter. You seriously think Thorin's point, not his arguing style or replies, but his main point, is wrong? Not even a fan or follower of the guy in any way, like I said previously, but it seems he's at least on the correct side of the argument this time.
Yes?! When I like to watch my local 5th league football team that doesn't force me to watch Austrian Bundesliga. Hell, it doesn't even force me to watch German Bundesliga or champions league. I'm still a football fan in that case.
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On January 25 2016 04:38 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter. You seriously think Thorin's point, not his arguing style or replies, but his main point, is wrong? Not even a fan or follower of the guy in any way, like I said previously, but it seems he's at least on the correct side of the argument this time.
i'm always on his side when it comes to cs:go and I know no shit about league except the basics.
But he is so far to be right.... he has an opinion that is totally not mine (and not only mine it seems) and makes so wrong points.
Seriously, is it possible to have a discussion here or are people going to camp on their position ?
We should order a sociological study on who is by essence in a side or the other, and who is actually trying to understand the changes and try to make the starcraft scene healthy and peren. Really
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On January 25 2016 04:26 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:17 Penev wrote:On January 25 2016 04:07 Elentos wrote:On January 25 2016 03:57 WrathSCII wrote:This is not racial issue but stupidity issue. We are not fighting over because Foreigners are having more tournaments to play and win, we support that. But we say that should not come at the cost of Koreans. But no, lets keep shit posting twitter, that will be better as a community figurehead. The article targets an issue with the Korean scene and that WCS changes ignores that and focuses only on the foreigners. What our glorious community figures do? Insulting and author and call him "shitter" while admitting not reading the article. Then slowly start saying "It was not my intention" "IT IS AN HONEST MISTAKE"... Now the whole twitter evolved and everyone joining their own sides and calling each other out over a tweet... A FUCKING TWEET! And the drama continues tonight on twitter... My personal favorite is that the tweet implies that people want less opportunities for non-Korean players and more for Korean players instead of just more opportunities for Korean ones. Handcuff all of them so they stop shitposting on twitter, I say. He's saying Koreans already have it good in the sense they get 8 spots, as much as the whole rest of the world. In football some continents get more spots than others (as you know). The WCS - football analogy is hilariously confusing, I hope this twitter thread keeps extending It's also a hilariously bad analogy. A tennis analogy would be way more appropriate - WCS is like tennis tournaments imo - but I guess no caster knows shit about tennis. Canata is a hero tbh (kenzi too ofc). But yeah, I'm willing to give things time. It's just that the outlook right now is not the best for the Korean scene, and not even that great for SC2 in general.
Okay I have to come back just for this. I'd like to ban Novak Djokovic from the Grand Slams so Roger Federer could win for once 
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On January 25 2016 04:42 Ppjack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:38 207aicila wrote:On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter. You seriously think Thorin's point, not his arguing style or replies, but his main point, is wrong? Not even a fan or follower of the guy in any way, like I said previously, but it seems he's at least on the correct side of the argument this time. i'm always on his side when it comes to cs:go and I know no shit about league except the basics. But he is so far to be right.... he has an opinion that is totally not mine (and not only mine it seems) and makes so wrong points. Seriously, is it possible to have a discussion here or are people going to camp on their position ? We should order a sociological study on who is by essence in a side or the other, and who is actually trying to understand the changes and try to make the starcraft scene healthy and peren. Really
But a discussion is taking place. I have not found any convincing argument as to how these changes will not be severely detrimental to the SC2 scene (at least the top players, for those of us who actually care about them) and thus my enjoyment of the game. All these commentators and personalities acting like manchildren and saying "i swear its going to be awesome but we just cant tell you anything" is certainly not helping in any way.
You are very much entitled to your opinion, but you presenting your opinion will not make me give less of a shit about the Korean scene and its tragic, slow death.
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On January 25 2016 04:46 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:26 Elentos wrote:On January 25 2016 04:17 Penev wrote:On January 25 2016 04:07 Elentos wrote:On January 25 2016 03:57 WrathSCII wrote:This is not racial issue but stupidity issue. We are not fighting over because Foreigners are having more tournaments to play and win, we support that. But we say that should not come at the cost of Koreans. But no, lets keep shit posting twitter, that will be better as a community figurehead. The article targets an issue with the Korean scene and that WCS changes ignores that and focuses only on the foreigners. What our glorious community figures do? Insulting and author and call him "shitter" while admitting not reading the article. Then slowly start saying "It was not my intention" "IT IS AN HONEST MISTAKE"... Now the whole twitter evolved and everyone joining their own sides and calling each other out over a tweet... A FUCKING TWEET! And the drama continues tonight on twitter... My personal favorite is that the tweet implies that people want less opportunities for non-Korean players and more for Korean players instead of just more opportunities for Korean ones. Handcuff all of them so they stop shitposting on twitter, I say. He's saying Koreans already have it good in the sense they get 8 spots, as much as the whole rest of the world. In football some continents get more spots than others (as you know). The WCS - football analogy is hilariously confusing, I hope this twitter thread keeps extending It's also a hilariously bad analogy. A tennis analogy would be way more appropriate - WCS is like tennis tournaments imo - but I guess no caster knows shit about tennis. Canata is a hero tbh (kenzi too ofc). But yeah, I'm willing to give things time. It's just that the outlook right now is not the best for the Korean scene, and not even that great for SC2 in general. Okay I have to come back just for this. I'd like to ban Novak Djokovic from the Grand Slams so Roger Federer could win for once
No need. Fed express will win at least one more! Have faith!
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On January 25 2016 04:48 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 04:42 Ppjack wrote:On January 25 2016 04:38 207aicila wrote:On January 25 2016 04:25 Luolis wrote:On January 25 2016 04:23 WrathSCII wrote:Thank you! Finally something positive that is not a shitpost in the stupid twitter war! How else would thoorin get a following than shitpost in twitter. You seriously think Thorin's point, not his arguing style or replies, but his main point, is wrong? Not even a fan or follower of the guy in any way, like I said previously, but it seems he's at least on the correct side of the argument this time. i'm always on his side when it comes to cs:go and I know no shit about league except the basics. But he is so far to be right.... he has an opinion that is totally not mine (and not only mine it seems) and makes so wrong points. Seriously, is it possible to have a discussion here or are people going to camp on their position ? We should order a sociological study on who is by essence in a side or the other, and who is actually trying to understand the changes and try to make the starcraft scene healthy and peren. Really But a discussion is taking place. I have not found any convincing argument as to how these changes will not be severely detrimental to the SC2 scene (at least the top players, for those of us who actually care about them) and thus my enjoyment of the game. All these commentators and personalities acting like manchildren and saying "i swear its going to be awesome but we just cant tell you anything" is certainly not helping in any way. You are very much entitled to your opinion, but you presenting your opinion will not make me give less of a shit about the Korean scene and its tragic, slow death.
While korean scene is dying, foreign scene was almost dead.
Something is tried to be done about it. And I don't like the lack of GSL/SSL but I'm sure the korean ecosystem will adapt, create side tournaments, online leagues and such.
And if we can have few global event a year à la Lol, everything will be awesome.
That's my opinion, and I don't understand the people that are already bitching that korean scene is dead or whatever. I understand the concern, and th'tas why people must work in a good direction for the sustainability of every scene.
Starcraft was not in a good state anymore, and when something is done to encourage people to watch / go pro a lot of people are blindly bitching. Just seeing the argument "esl casters are not legit cuz paid by blizz" makes me want to vomit.
This community, and I said it before, has become hugely toxic, nostalgic of I don't know what.
Koreans are not dying. They were not showing any interest in foreign tournament, why should we focus on them?
While few koreans enjoyed the foreign scene, they have always been welcome and easily fan favorite.
And the scene is not in the same shape it was in 2011 when starcraft 2 was the only relevant esport.
Start acting like a real community and work on it.
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On January 25 2016 05:07 Ppjack wrote:
While korean scene is dying, foreign scene was almost dead.
Source?
On January 25 2016 05:07 Ppjack wrote:
While korean scene is dying, foreign scene was almost dead.
Something is tried to be done about it. And I don't like the lack of GSL/SSL but I'm sure the korean ecosystem will adapt, create side tournaments, online leagues and such.
You must be new here, the number of tournaments for the Korean scene has gone *down* over the years, not up. Interest has been waning except for the rare event (like TotalBiscuit's SHOUTCraft stuff and the OlimoLeague that himself and Olivia have helped create) and people have been retiring because of it.
On January 25 2016 05:07 Ppjack wrote:
That's my opinion, and I don't understand the people that are already bitching that korean scene is dead or whatever. I understand the concern, and th'tas why people must work in a good direction for the sustainability of every scene.
It's fine to have that opinion, but you clearly do not understand, or do not care, about the severity of the situation. For those of us who have watched the premier tournaments slowly shrink in number, teams disband, and many online tournaments come to an end, it's disheartening.
On January 25 2016 05:07 Ppjack wrote:
Starcraft was not in a good state anymore, and when something is done to encourage people to watch / go pro a lot of people are blindly bitching.
Do you seriously think there were so many people trying to break out into the scene, who haven't already been part of it for years now? Do you think this is going to cause a sudden outburst of new talent? I would love for that to be the case, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
On January 25 2016 05:07 Ppjack wrote:
Just seeing the argument "esl casters are not legit cuz paid by blizz" makes me want to vomit.
I guess you're not familiar with the concept of "conflict of interest".
On January 25 2016 05:07 Ppjack wrote:
This community, and I said it before, has become hugely toxic, nostalgic of I don't know what.
Koreans are not dying. They were not showing any interest in foreign tournament, why should we focus on them?
While few koreans enjoyed the foreign scene, they have always been welcome and easily fan favorite.
You what mate? Take a look at these tournaments. Note how many Korean players attended. Then tell me they were not showing any interest.
On January 25 2016 05:07 Ppjack wrote:
Start acting like a real community and work on it.
Okay, Mr. joined in 2015...
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Oh i missed those kenzi tweets. That's awesome stuff.
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On January 25 2016 05:15 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 05:07 Ppjack wrote:
While korean scene is dying, foreign scene was almost dead.
Something is tried to be done about it. And I don't like the lack of GSL/SSL but I'm sure the korean ecosystem will adapt, create side tournaments, online leagues and such.
You must be new here, the number of tournaments for the Korean scene has gone *down* over the years, not up. Interest has been waning except for the rare event (like TotalBiscuit's SHOUTCraft stuff and the OlimoLeague that himself and Olivia have helped create) and people have been retiring because of it.
TB has nothing to do with the Olimoleague besides being a donation goal one time, That's all Olivia's work
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