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On December 29 2015 23:36 smOOthMayDie wrote:
All of these players thinking about retiring at such a young age, it's really a shame.
Here's to hoping one day that eSports professionals play well into their 40's, like football, tennis, soccer, etc. Maybe one day there will be college sponsorships (I know theres a few here and there for league), so that players can get a degree and then continue playing professionally after school.
Dream~
How does LoL (or any e-sports game) degree help you with life and your overall professional career? It's just another degree of spend-money-expect-a-lot-but-actually-you-just-owe-money-for-shitty-degree.
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On December 30 2015 01:20 WrathSCII wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 00:38 Musicus wrote:
I really hope jd can break free of EG in February and joins a kespa team one last time. "One last ride"...
Hell if this really goes the way of the Fast and Furious movie, I'll be fine with Jaedong playing for the next 20 years.
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Hmm.. seems like the end of JD is nigh..
Just to be real, I don't see him being able to get into Code S with the skill level of he korean scene.
I would've loved to see him still in WCS, I think he would've had a grand ole time wrecking the foreigners, rather than exit in Code A..
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Yep, this is the last hurrah for JD, I think as a true fan you can only really hope that he joins a KESPA team one last time, finds his passion and trains HARD because the skill level out there is ridiculously high and for awhile Jaedong was losing to even foreigners that he shouldn't have been losing to.
But yea, retirement is definitely coming in 2017, but hey the dudes been playing Starcraft for a living for what, 9+ years now? Dude is rich, a borderline celebrity and I'm sure he wants to get his military service done with at least relatively soon.
Besides, who deep down doesn't just want JD to go do his military, come back, surprise everyone and start streaming BW for fun?
Come on, you know you want to.
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This will be one hell of a ride, show them what you are made of JD!
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Kinda bummed about the WCS changes for this year & how its impacting not only the players individual careers, but also our viewing experience as fans. Regardless i hope JD plays for longer & goes on a nice run in 2016 before he decides to retire.
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On December 30 2015 03:04 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 23:36 smOOthMayDie wrote:
All of these players thinking about retiring at such a young age, it's really a shame.
Here's to hoping one day that eSports professionals play well into their 40's, like football, tennis, soccer, etc. Maybe one day there will be college sponsorships (I know theres a few here and there for league), so that players can get a degree and then continue playing professionally after school.
Dream~ How does LoL (or any e-sports game) degree help you with life and your overall professional career? It's just another degree of spend-money-expect-a-lot-but-actually-you-just-owe-money-for-shitty-degree.
My point was that athletes in the traditional sense go to college, get a degree, and play pro sports for however long (1-20 years after receiving this degree)
It would be nice if in the future this would apply for e-sports athletes (if, ever, there is a game that will last generations.) so that these players have a degree to fall back on if they end up retiring early, like they are now (in their early 20s.). The actual degree clearly doesn't help during their professional career, but like most college sports; it would be interesting if eSports ever got so big that there were national college leagues, and pro drafts, etc.
I've had a few friends play college ball and get drafted to play pro, only to retire a year or two after because they weren't cut out for it, and landed solid jobs because they had a college degree.
On another note, it really is a bummer that these players are retiring in their 20s, when its very possible to stay in form into your 30s. Take a look at nestea when he was being dominant :D
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Canada11355 Posts
The vanquished should not talk too much.
I'm sure someone else has pointed it out but this is so classy wow
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Without JD Polt is the only reason to watch the foreign scene
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On December 29 2015 23:36 smOOthMayDie wrote:
All of these players thinking about retiring at such a young age, it's really a shame.
Here's to hoping one day that eSports professionals play well into their 40's, like football, tennis, soccer, etc. Maybe one day there will be college sponsorships (I know theres a few here and there for league), so that players can get a degree and then continue playing professionally after school.
Dream~
Most of these players are well past their primes, and if they do want to go for a life outside of progaming (i.e. get a degree and start a career), around your mid-twenties is as good a time as any.
To me it seems a much better choice than making a career in gambling, which is what some other ex-BW pros are doing (Boxer comes to mind).
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On December 30 2015 03:04 darkness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 23:36 smOOthMayDie wrote:
All of these players thinking about retiring at such a young age, it's really a shame.
Here's to hoping one day that eSports professionals play well into their 40's, like football, tennis, soccer, etc. Maybe one day there will be college sponsorships (I know theres a few here and there for league), so that players can get a degree and then continue playing professionally after school.
Dream~ How does LoL (or any e-sports game) degree help you with life and your overall professional career? It's just another degree of spend-money-expect-a-lot-but-actually-you-just-owe-money-for-shitty-degree.
You don't get a degree in esports, just like a college basketball player doesn't get a degree in basketball
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On December 30 2015 05:36 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 03:04 darkness wrote:On December 29 2015 23:36 smOOthMayDie wrote:
All of these players thinking about retiring at such a young age, it's really a shame.
Here's to hoping one day that eSports professionals play well into their 40's, like football, tennis, soccer, etc. Maybe one day there will be college sponsorships (I know theres a few here and there for league), so that players can get a degree and then continue playing professionally after school.
Dream~ How does LoL (or any e-sports game) degree help you with life and your overall professional career? It's just another degree of spend-money-expect-a-lot-but-actually-you-just-owe-money-for-shitty-degree. You don't get a degree in esports, just like a college basketball player doesn't get a degree in basketball
but any "bonus" for your degree at uni/high school? Or why I am hearing that such thing have a big relevance there?
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from Jaedong economic review interview from Nov. 11, 2015
이제동 선수는 분명히 말했다. “은퇴 생각은 안 하고 있습니다. 30대가 돼도 프로게이머가 하고 싶으면 할 수 있는 것 아닐까요. 최고령 선수가 돼서 띠동갑 선수들과 싸워 이기면 포스(Force) 있어 보이잖아요.”
rough trans: Jaedong clearly stated, "I am not thinking about retirement. I can be a progamer in my 30s if I want to. i'd really be a force to be reckoned with if I became the oldest progamer and won against people 12 years younger than me.
now 6 weeks later:
- Are you considering your retirement?
"Not yet. However, I have the word somewhere in my mind. But that`s not now. I still retain a lingering desire for progaming."
how fast shit changedl ol
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Wow, it's kind of a touching interview. I really hopes he does well and gets to Code S right away so he gains confidence and motivation to keep playing.
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Jaedong you are a living legend, keep it up man!
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On December 29 2015 23:36 smOOthMayDie wrote:
All of these players thinking about retiring at such a young age, it's really a shame.
Here's to hoping one day that eSports professionals play well into their 40's, like football, tennis, soccer, etc. Maybe one day there will be college sponsorships (I know theres a few here and there for league), so that players can get a degree and then continue playing professionally after school.
Dream~
Daigo Umehara is 36.
Starcraft is too harsh on the hands and mind for people to play it that long. And most other esport games are too young for it. Some DotA and FPS guys are getting to their 30s. Quite a few Fighting games players are closing in to late 30s.
It just takes time and the right kind of game.
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United States11393 Posts
On December 30 2015 07:19 jinyung2 wrote:from Jaedong economic review interview from Nov. 11, 2015Show nested quote +이제동 선수는 분명히 말했다. “은퇴 생각은 안 하고 있습니다. 30대가 돼도 프로게이머가 하고 싶으면 할 수 있는 것 아닐까요. 최고령 선수가 돼서 띠동갑 선수들과 싸워 이기면 포스(Force) 있어 보이잖아요.” rough trans: Jaedong clearly stated, "I am not thinking about retirement. I can be a progamer in my 30s if I want to. i'd really be a force to be reckoned with if I became the oldest progamer and won against people 12 years younger than me. now 6 weeks later: Show nested quote +
- Are you considering your retirement?
"Not yet. However, I have the word somewhere in my mind. But that`s not now. I still retain a lingering desire for progaming."
how fast shit changedl ol
For anyone who wants to read the rest of this interview~
From: jinyung2 [ 1412 posts | Profile | User Info | Report ]
Subject: Re: lol
Date: 12/29/15 21:36
do people not do interviews anymore? i figured this one woulda came up on TL, why do people only translate mostly generic garbage stuff?
it was one of the few good progamer interviews ive read, where they actually asked questions that made ther interviewee uncomfortable lol
super duper rough trans where i just summarize unimporant stuff:
was asked if he was interested in becoming a tv celebrity much like yellow but he said he wants to still be a progamer, and hes not the type to like being in front of a lot of people
generally jaedong talked about, life/culture in foreign land. much more lax, able to enjoy a cup of coffee instead of that constant grind after grind this "sparta style" training that korean teams do. how even winning started to feel numb when after its all said and done it was right back to practice with no breaks.
talks about how foreign tournaments the atmosphere is so much more different and he attributes that to foreigners being more outgoing and expressive than the usual calm collected style of most koreans.
then he was asked about why he thinks progamers fall to matchfixing
his response very deep: "there are many gamers, all with different classes and pays. those who do not excel really dont have much of a future and money wise they are lacking. i think thats why they cant help but be exposed/fall to matchfixing. these kinds of issues kespa must fix, minimum salaries, morality education, something more is needed [from their end]."
then jaedong talks about how much koreans grind in practice, no free time. suggests wouldnt quality of life go up if they were given a little bit of free time. "itll be difficult to change from how it is now. our country is very 'sparta style.' just like company employees, competition is very fierce. also because we practice that hard, koreans are best in the world.
when asked if they can change from this sparta training, he said its an overall problem stemming from korean culture. then he says like "usually progamers start in their early teens right? gamers have such a different exposure to life than normal kids who go to school so i believe they need to be supplemented with some humanity/morality education. also some english classes so players are able to give interview responses at a foreign tourney. it would be nice if there was some extra education they supplied for these young kids"
when asked if he reminicses/misses the glory of his BW days. he says i doesnt really long for it, says life back then was very restricted. even after a starleague championship, it was back to the grind. win, recieve praise, and come right back to practice. no breaks.
if he plans to play in korea again, says when he visited coex for lotv launch party, he felt koreans still had a desire for starcraft. says he plans to play in korea again some day.
next part he talks about how he wants to be progamer into his 30s if he can. interviewer continues to poke him multiple times about retiring. finally says, "if i do id like to be a progame team coach some day. I think id be good at it"
last part talks about his autobiography, "i am a progamer." says how he wanted to tell his tale. how society's perception and understanding of what a progamer is, is actually very different from what it actually is. how just because you play games its not something you should so easily pursue. a message to potential progamers in training out there.
says he didnt have muhc trouble writing the book, even though the article writer adds writing is a very tough task. jaedong says he had so many things to say it just flowed out. jaedong adds at the end "I plan to show an improved version of myself. please continue to cheer for me and notice me"
end
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On December 30 2015 07:19 jinyung2 wrote:from Jaedong economic review interview from Nov. 11, 2015Show nested quote +이제동 선수는 분명히 말했다. “은퇴 생각은 안 하고 있습니다. 30대가 돼도 프로게이머가 하고 싶으면 할 수 있는 것 아닐까요. 최고령 선수가 돼서 띠동갑 선수들과 싸워 이기면 포스(Force) 있어 보이잖아요.” rough trans: Jaedong clearly stated, "I am not thinking about retirement. I can be a progamer in my 30s if I want to. i'd really be a force to be reckoned with if I became the oldest progamer and won against people 12 years younger than me. now 6 weeks later: Show nested quote +
- Are you considering your retirement?
"Not yet. However, I have the word somewhere in my mind. But that`s not now. I still retain a lingering desire for progaming."
how fast shit changedl ol
Well, you see, in both of these translations they exaggerated JD's confidence/pessimism. In the former, JD was just saying that he has no immediate plans to retire in the foreseeable future and the latter was stating that since JD rival Flash also retired, JD feels lonely and therefore almost subconsciously considers retirement.
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Maybe he will join a Kespa team and become a god again. I would love to see him crush proleague.
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It seems JD is having fun at least and is tired of 'train hard, no communication or free time' type of Korean gaming culture. It's not fun to be a robot. Even if he is weaker, be happy for him. We watch and play StarCraft but life isn't StarCraft only.
When you think about it, it's quite sad how many pro gamers admit they don't have a girlfriend, haven't kissed a girl or don't have enough time to have a girlfriend. Players are young and they need to enjoy themselves rather than live a life of someone isolated. JD probably suggests something like that when he talks about KeSPA and how pro gamers could be socially awkward because of how little time they spend outside gaming.
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