On December 23 2015 03:55 shid0x wrote: This being said the crisis management can be easy. I mean the event can still be offline and great, Ogaming has a big studio and can easily host the players and even do an HSC esque event that would be quite sick, budget wise don't tell me it isn't doable. Also Millenium is in Paris, webedia has studio and money, don't tell me you can't have a partnership and broadcast it from there. There's also the Meltdown which could be extremely sick, and tons of other small venues in Paris. That is for SC2, because i KNOW people will come, the cs go community at ogaming is probably not that hardcore in the following.
As i understand it it will be lan in the studio , which is good and can be extremely good.
If its really full online ( no players in studio ) then it's a huge disappointment and non sense.
We have a hero in our middle. Why dont you organize a tournament of this caliber and quality for the sc2 scene. I am sure the community will be thankful. Also with your expertise we can only expect the best online event ever.
To o'gaming: Nationwars has a brilliant concept. Its always fun and has a high quality. Its sad to here this. I was looking forward to this event. But many people seem to miss the situation in paris. In a way Isis has won, paris lives in a prison. Not the prison which we all know from movies but a prison of fear and terror. I wish I could do something to help but I can do nothing more than hope that the situation in paris will change soon and that people can visit events again.
I understand your frustration but wishful thinking. If you think you know better than them how a deal with Webedia could work (Millennium is owned by Webedia btw), how big the studios or the places are (I somewhat laughed a bit when you mentioned the Meltdown, I think cameras do not do a good job at showing how cramped the place actually is), and what the state of emergency entails regarding travel, security and whatnot, go buy a plane ticket to France and help them organize the mess. I sure don't have that arrogance and fully understand their call.
I actually i'm very curious on the issue personally since this is kind of my field of study ( MD in digital marketing and communication ) and i actually did work in france with startups from thefamily which had similar issues.
The fact that they are going full online like that is weird, i mean they didn't even have a plan b ? I really feel that there would have been ways to save the furnitures with at least the sc2 event, even if the studio is too small i believe there is many ways to host an offline without outrageous cost (without spectators somehow HSC ), especially since they got a lot of equipment already in Paris.
It just feels really bizarre to me, this whole situation.
Maybe the 2 games together wasn't such a great idea, maybe those 2 communities don't want to waste their time watching a game they don't care about.
Exactly why I didn't book.
The events are independent from each other.
Well see this is a problem. If this guy and myself thought they were not then there was some miss communication and that may have been the case to a lot of other people too.
Oh and to the people criticizing my previous post screw yourself, i've never went like "FUCK THEM" or anything, i'm just curious about the whereabouts.
note: this is my personal opinion. I don't think that the terror attacks are the main reason for the cancelation of the live event. I think it didn't work out as expected and they took the "easy" way out. I have no facts, this is just an opinion.
On December 23 2015 03:12 Clonester wrote: Sad, but partly expected.
Indeed, tuesday and wednesday were bad days
yeah but it costs way less to book a venue like the olympia during the week. On the week-end, the price is twice as much
yes but monday, tuesday or thursday and friday(i'm guessing it's consider as week end) would have a lot better .
Are you sure that the price is always twice because on their website i checked the week after 01/19 to 01/20 JE PREFERE QU'ON RESTE AMIS cat1 58 € carréor 71 € 01/23 to 01/24 IGUDESMAN & JOO cat1 60 €(max) i scrolled a bit and found a lot of show at 60 € during the week end
JazVM: It had an impact -40% in november but this number is big also because all school visits which required public transportation were canceled
On December 23 2015 03:12 Clonester wrote: Sad, but partly expected.
Indeed, tuesday and wednesday were bad days
yeah but it costs way less to book a venue like the olympia during the week. On the week-end, the price is twice as much
yes but monday, tuesday or thursday and friday(i'm guessing it's consider as week end) would have a lot better .
Are you sure that the price is always twice because on their website i checked the week after 01/19 to 01/20 JE PREFERE QU'ON RESTE AMIS cat1 58 € carréor 71 € 01/23 to 01/24 IGUDESMAN & JOO cat1 60 €(max) i scrolled a bit and found a lot of show at 60 € during the week end
you can't compare with other shows (most are much shorter than what was planned for NW)
On December 23 2015 03:12 Clonester wrote: Sad, but partly expected.
Indeed, tuesday and wednesday were bad days
yeah but it costs way less to book a venue like the olympia during the week. On the week-end, the price is twice as much
yes but monday, tuesday or thursday and friday(i'm guessing it's consider as week end) would have a lot better .
Are you sure that the price is always twice because on their website i checked the week after 01/19 to 01/20 JE PREFERE QU'ON RESTE AMIS cat1 58 € carréor 71 € 01/23 to 01/24 IGUDESMAN & JOO cat1 60 €(max) i scrolled a bit and found a lot of show at 60 € during the week end
you can't compare with other shows (most are much shorter than what was planned for NW)
......i didnt compare it with others shows. This is about the price difference between during week and week end. The numbers are here to show that price doesnt seem to be always twice the week end compared to the rest of the week.
So sad ): But to look at the positive side, the production value of O'Gaming makes it so that an online finals will be better than many offline finals from other tournaments (:
It's a bit sad even for someone who would have watched online in the first place. Yet I want to say thank you for this event (and the previous ones of course), be it online or at "L'Olympia" it is amazing for the viewer, I was even more hooked to starcraft 2 at the start by Pomf&Thud youtube videos, I started not watching it much but since LotV launch party I follow O'gaming a lot, thank you for still casting starcraft despite being the last French organisation to do so, I am sure it will still be awesome!
Very sad for O'gaming, but I am sure, the majority of the community will be happy with it anyway, as it is a great tournament and O'gaming's contribution to the scene is absolutely awesome! Just please don't ban the Koreans! :-) I know, it would be an opportunity how to get Germany back into the tournament, but please, do not do it! :-)
And do not worry, nobody will be upset about it. This is a problem of all big events in France currently. I heard that even the football EURO 2016 will be played online only because of security and safety reasons ...
I understand your frustration but wishful thinking. If you think you know better than them how a deal with Webedia could work (Millennium is owned by Webedia btw), how big the studios or the places are (I somewhat laughed a bit when you mentioned the Meltdown, I think cameras do not do a good job at showing how cramped the place actually is), and what the state of emergency entails regarding travel, security and whatnot, go buy a plane ticket to France and help them organize the mess. I sure don't have that arrogance and fully understand their call.
I actually i'm very curious on the issue personally since this is kind of my field of study ( MD in digital marketing and communication ) and i actually did work in france with startups from thefamily which had similar issues.
The fact that they are going full online like that is weird, i mean they didn't even have a plan b ? I really feel that there would have been ways to save the furnitures with at least the sc2 event, even if the studio is too small i believe there is many ways to host an offline without outrageous cost (without spectators somehow HSC ), especially since they got a lot of equipment already in Paris.
It just feels really bizarre to me, this whole situation.
Maybe the 2 games together wasn't such a great idea, maybe those 2 communities don't want to waste their time watching a game they don't care about.
Exactly why I didn't book.
The events are independent from each other.
Well see this is a problem. If this guy and myself thought they were not then there was some miss communication and that may have been the case to a lot of other people too.
Oh and to the people criticizing my previous post screw yourself, i've never went like "FUCK THEM" or anything, i'm just curious about the whereabouts.
Probably a lot more to do with the cost of transporting, housing and feeding the teams than the cost of the venue itself. I assume ticket costs were going to help with that. Without having the proper venue they can't sell tickets...
On December 23 2015 07:15 Diabolique wrote: And do not worry, nobody will be upset about it. This is a problem of all big events in France currently. I heard that even the football EURO 2016 will be played online only because of security and safety reasons ...
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haha i hope not. I am currently in a city where they spent 400 M € in a stadium for 6 matchs^^
EPT
