Since the start, O’Gaming has always wanted to make watching eSport with friends an amazing experience, whether it be in your living room or at a venue, and to bring our common passion in places it's never been before, where you wouldn't expect it.
The tragical events of Nov. 13 have had a drastical and deep impact on the parisian entertainment industry, especially for venues, thus generating a massive loss of frequentation in the French cultural sites, show rooms and concerts. Hotels, bars and tourism are deserted at the end of this 2015 year. In this context, we have been affected as much as any other show producer, when we thought to be safe.
However now, tickets for the Red Dot Invitational and Nation Wars III are struggling to sell, and call into question the financial viability of the entire project.
You know O’Gaming has always been flirting between unthinkable and impossible. Even though we’re accepting the risks in order to go through our common passion, it is sometimes necessary to accept that several concording factors can tip the scale towards cautiousness.
After a concertation with the team and 0ms partners, we have thus decded to cancel the Olympia reservation, to play the finals online, to broadcast them from O’Gaming’s studios.
Our excess of optimism regarding the tickets selling has probably been a determining factor. You, who are gamers and have been following us for years, know how demanding such events can be, especially in a venue like this one. The project could only be carried out with significant rates and on week days, but in light of such a great 0ms show we decided it was well worth it.
In order to allow a maximum of you to follow the events, the matches dates have been changed. The quarterfinals, semifinals and final for Nation Wars will take place on January 2nd and 3rd, live from our studios, and the semifinals and final for the Red Dot Invitational will take place on January 11, both starting at 4 pm.
We would like to present our most sincere apologies to everyone who bought a ticket, offered one to another person, or booked these days to be sure they would be able to come. Every ticket will be refunded within six weeks, and for those who already booked their transport and/or accomodation for the 12th and 13th of January and cannot cancel, send us an email at contact@ogaming.tv so we can find together a solution to compensate you.
We also want to send a special message to the players. Even though we are cancelling these final phases at the Olympia, we will continue to do everything we can to bring you strong emotions and allow you to practice your art in front of the incredible passion of the French crowd, on O’Gaming in 2016.
Know that this decision saddens us, but it comforts us in the fact that we want O’Gaming to evolve in 2016. For every long story, there are difficult decisions to make for good reasons, and these reasons will allow O’Gaming to continue to undertake calmly in the future.
Thanks to all of you for your support and your participation in O’Gaming’s everyday adventures, thanks to the players for your implication in our projects, and to all those who participate in the writing of this beautiful eStory.
That's a damn shame. It's understandable, and I'm sure there are a lot of numbers behind this that contribute to the decision. Just.. sucks that this is the case.
Hope everything turns out alright for those who already prepped for the trip. It's already a disappointment, hopefully they won't take a big hit financially to add on to that. =/
This will be awesome whether online or offline. Thank you for organizing the even despite everything and I hope a ton of people tune in for the finals!
It's sad, but it also shows how the pro-gaming industry is becoming more mature in planning and organising their events. I respect their decision, and hope for more great things of them in the future.
On December 23 2015 03:04 Liquid`TLO wrote: That's a real shame. Thanks for everything O'Gaming. I'm sure the event will be amazing regardless! Your spirit can't be broken. FIGHTING!
Couldn't agree more. Its a shame that the live event is canceled, but your contributions to the community are super appreciated, and I'm sure the tournament will still be a blast to watch.
What T_T I was just about to buy tickets tomorrow. Kind of weird to publish this now. Oh well. Think this is decreasing the chances of an Iron Squid 3 even more now. O'gaming makes the best offline events, period. Really saddened by this!
I don't know what to think about this but somehow it doesn't feel right. I don't know i always saw o'gaming filling everything up with their sc2 events, i can't really believe that you can't fill the olympia.
Maybe the 2 games together wasn't such a great idea, maybe those 2 communities don't want to waste their time watching a game they don't care about.
Nevertheless its still a sad thing but as long as its still offline its cool i guess. If i got it right the players will be in the ogaming studio right ?
This really sucks for those that planned to attend. I will certainly be watching online and am really looking forward to it, especially those ceremonies of 'nothing but knee's' haha.
Keep up the good work O'gaming and thanks for putting Nation Wars on for us all to enjoy xD
Doing it a wednesday was a bad idea too. I would have come from Bordeaux (700km away of Paris) if it has been set a week end, and some of my friends too, but a wednesday, no way...
I think the chosen day hurts more than the attentats, since it exclude all non-paris inhabitants (french and european)
On December 23 2015 03:12 Clonester wrote: Sad, but partly expected.
Indeed, thusday and wednesday were bad days
yeah but it costs way less to book a venue like the olympia during the week. On the week-end, the price is twice as much
these big venues are cheaper on weekdays for a reason, it's very hard to attract people not the kind of things possible in esport in france for an indie studio right now
On December 23 2015 03:04 Liquid`TLO wrote: That's a real shame. Thanks for everything O'Gaming. I'm sure the event will be amazing regardless! Your spirit can't be broken. FIGHTING!
"Nonsense! There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered" - Fenix
(Well I don't disagree with TLO but I wanted to plug that nice line by Fenix ^.^)
Better to do the economically sensible thing so as to be able to continue the business rather than gamble with your resources. Good call O'Gaming, I'll watch it as eagerly online as I would have offline.
This being said the crisis management can be easy. I mean the event can still be offline and great, Ogaming has a big studio and can easily host the players and even do an HSC esque event that would be quite sick, budget wise don't tell me it isn't doable. Also Millenium is in Paris, webedia has studio and money, don't tell me you can't have a partnership and broadcast it from there. There's also the Meltdown which could be extremely sick, and tons of other small venues in Paris. That is for SC2, because i KNOW people will come, the cs go community at ogaming is probably not that hardcore in the following.
As i understand it it will be lan in the studio , which is good and can be extremely good.
If its really full online ( no players in studio ) then it's a huge disappointment and non sense.
On December 23 2015 03:55 shid0x wrote: This being said the crisis management can be easy. I mean the event can still be offline and great, Ogaming has a big studio and can easily host the players and even do an HSC esque event that would be quite sick, budget wise don't tell me it isn't doable. Also Millenium is in Paris, webedia has studio and money, don't tell me you can't have a partnership and broadcast it from there. There's also the Meltdown which could be extremely sick, and tons of other small venues in Paris. That is for SC2, because i KNOW people will come, the cs go community at ogaming is probably not that hardcore in the following.
As i understand it it will be lan in the studio , which is good and can be extremely good.
If its really full online ( no players in studio ) then it's a huge disappointment and non sense.
It's gonna be full online with Koreans playing cross-server at 5 AM and random people lagging out.
On December 23 2015 03:55 shid0x wrote: This being said the crisis management can be easy. I mean the event can still be offline and great, Ogaming has a big studio and can easily host the players and even do an HSC esque event that would be quite sick, budget wise don't tell me it isn't doable. Also Millenium is in Paris, webedia has studio and money, don't tell me you can't have a partnership and broadcast it from there. There's also the Meltdown which could be extremely sick, and tons of other small venues in Paris. That is for SC2, because i KNOW people will come, the cs go community at ogaming is probably not that hardcore in the following.
As i understand it it will be lan in the studio , which is good and can be extremely good.
If its really full online ( no players in studio ) then it's a huge disappointment and non sense.
I think you fail to understand how hard it is to organize it as planned in the first place and even harder to make a change of plan on such short notice.
Also you have to realize why there are not enough people in the first place. Mixing games, weekday etc. sure did not help but one of the bigger reasons is just that France has been in a state of emergency for more than a month. People obviously go out less. The government is almost plainly discouraging any kind of gathering/event. The mood and the context are just not there right now.
On December 23 2015 03:55 shid0x wrote: This being said the crisis management can be easy. I mean the event can still be offline and great, Ogaming has a big studio and can easily host the players and even do an HSC esque event that would be quite sick, budget wise don't tell me it isn't doable. Also Millenium is in Paris, webedia has studio and money, don't tell me you can't have a partnership and broadcast it from there. There's also the Meltdown which could be extremely sick, and tons of other small venues in Paris. That is for SC2, because i KNOW people will come, the cs go community at ogaming is probably not that hardcore in the following.
As i understand it it will be lan in the studio , which is good and can be extremely good.
If its really full online ( no players in studio ) then it's a huge disappointment and non sense.
I think you fail to understand how hard it is to organize it as planned in the first place and even harder to make a change of plan on such short notice.
Also you have to realize why there are not enough people in the first place. Mixing games, weekday etc. sure did not help but one of the bigger reasons is just that France has been in a state of emergency for more than a month. People obviously go out less. The government is almost plainly discouraging any kind of gathering/event. The mood and the context are just not there right now.
In what way is it hard to make the players come at the date that was intended and make them play in the studio ?
On December 23 2015 03:55 shid0x wrote: This being said the crisis management can be easy. I mean the event can still be offline and great, Ogaming has a big studio and can easily host the players and even do an HSC esque event that would be quite sick, budget wise don't tell me it isn't doable. Also Millenium is in Paris, webedia has studio and money, don't tell me you can't have a partnership and broadcast it from there. There's also the Meltdown which could be extremely sick, and tons of other small venues in Paris. That is for SC2, because i KNOW people will come, the cs go community at ogaming is probably not that hardcore in the following.
As i understand it it will be lan in the studio , which is good and can be extremely good.
If its really full online ( no players in studio ) then it's a huge disappointment and non sense.
I think you fail to understand how hard it is to organize it as planned in the first place and even harder to make a change of plan on such short notice.
Also you have to realize why there are not enough people in the first place. Mixing games, weekday etc. sure did not help but one of the bigger reasons is just that France has been in a state of emergency for more than a month. People obviously go out less. The government is almost plainly discouraging any kind of gathering/event. The mood and the context are just not there right now.
In what way is it hard to make the players come at the date that was intended and make them play in the studio ?
I understand your frustration but wishful thinking. If you think you know better than them how a deal with Webedia could work (Millennium is owned by Webedia btw), how big the studios or the places are (I somewhat laughed a bit when you mentioned the Meltdown, I think cameras do not do a good job at showing how cramped the place actually is), and what the state of emergency entails regarding travel, security and whatnot, go buy a plane ticket to France and help them organize the mess. I sure don't have that arrogance and fully understand their call.
On December 23 2015 03:41 Tngabor wrote: Why can't they just move the whole thing to Netherlands or Germany even?
For several reasons: 1) It takes an incredible amount of time to organize something like this - you can't just shift locations with 2 weeks notice. 2) All their connections + contacts, etc. were in Paris from previous events, not to mention language barriers. 3) Plus, in general for events, every time you move, you lose people/sign-ups, and they already had too few to host an event in Paris.
On December 23 2015 03:55 shid0x wrote: This being said the crisis management can be easy. I mean the event can still be offline and great, Ogaming has a big studio and can easily host the players and even do an HSC esque event that would be quite sick, budget wise don't tell me it isn't doable. Also Millenium is in Paris, webedia has studio and money, don't tell me you can't have a partnership and broadcast it from there. There's also the Meltdown which could be extremely sick, and tons of other small venues in Paris. That is for SC2, because i KNOW people will come, the cs go community at ogaming is probably not that hardcore in the following.
As i understand it it will be lan in the studio , which is good and can be extremely good.
If its really full online ( no players in studio ) then it's a huge disappointment and non sense.
We have a hero in our middle. Why dont you organize a tournament of this caliber and quality for the sc2 scene. I am sure the community will be thankful. Also with your expertise we can only expect the best online event ever.
To o'gaming: Nationwars has a brilliant concept. Its always fun and has a high quality. Its sad to here this. I was looking forward to this event. But many people seem to miss the situation in paris. In a way Isis has won, paris lives in a prison. Not the prison which we all know from movies but a prison of fear and terror. I wish I could do something to help but I can do nothing more than hope that the situation in paris will change soon and that people can visit events again.
I understand your frustration but wishful thinking. If you think you know better than them how a deal with Webedia could work (Millennium is owned by Webedia btw), how big the studios or the places are (I somewhat laughed a bit when you mentioned the Meltdown, I think cameras do not do a good job at showing how cramped the place actually is), and what the state of emergency entails regarding travel, security and whatnot, go buy a plane ticket to France and help them organize the mess. I sure don't have that arrogance and fully understand their call.
I actually i'm very curious on the issue personally since this is kind of my field of study ( MD in digital marketing and communication ) and i actually did work in france with startups from thefamily which had similar issues.
The fact that they are going full online like that is weird, i mean they didn't even have a plan b ? I really feel that there would have been ways to save the furnitures with at least the sc2 event, even if the studio is too small i believe there is many ways to host an offline without outrageous cost (without spectators somehow HSC ), especially since they got a lot of equipment already in Paris.
It just feels really bizarre to me, this whole situation.
Maybe the 2 games together wasn't such a great idea, maybe those 2 communities don't want to waste their time watching a game they don't care about.
Exactly why I didn't book.
The events are independent from each other.
Well see this is a problem. If this guy and myself thought they were not then there was some miss communication and that may have been the case to a lot of other people too.
Oh and to the people criticizing my previous post screw yourself, i've never went like "FUCK THEM" or anything, i'm just curious about the whereabouts.
note: this is my personal opinion. I don't think that the terror attacks are the main reason for the cancelation of the live event. I think it didn't work out as expected and they took the "easy" way out. I have no facts, this is just an opinion.
On December 23 2015 03:12 Clonester wrote: Sad, but partly expected.
Indeed, tuesday and wednesday were bad days
yeah but it costs way less to book a venue like the olympia during the week. On the week-end, the price is twice as much
yes but monday, tuesday or thursday and friday(i'm guessing it's consider as week end) would have a lot better .
Are you sure that the price is always twice because on their website i checked the week after 01/19 to 01/20 JE PREFERE QU'ON RESTE AMIS cat1 58 € carréor 71 € 01/23 to 01/24 IGUDESMAN & JOO cat1 60 €(max) i scrolled a bit and found a lot of show at 60 € during the week end
JazVM: It had an impact -40% in november but this number is big also because all school visits which required public transportation were canceled
On December 23 2015 03:12 Clonester wrote: Sad, but partly expected.
Indeed, tuesday and wednesday were bad days
yeah but it costs way less to book a venue like the olympia during the week. On the week-end, the price is twice as much
yes but monday, tuesday or thursday and friday(i'm guessing it's consider as week end) would have a lot better .
Are you sure that the price is always twice because on their website i checked the week after 01/19 to 01/20 JE PREFERE QU'ON RESTE AMIS cat1 58 € carréor 71 € 01/23 to 01/24 IGUDESMAN & JOO cat1 60 €(max) i scrolled a bit and found a lot of show at 60 € during the week end
you can't compare with other shows (most are much shorter than what was planned for NW)
On December 23 2015 03:12 Clonester wrote: Sad, but partly expected.
Indeed, tuesday and wednesday were bad days
yeah but it costs way less to book a venue like the olympia during the week. On the week-end, the price is twice as much
yes but monday, tuesday or thursday and friday(i'm guessing it's consider as week end) would have a lot better .
Are you sure that the price is always twice because on their website i checked the week after 01/19 to 01/20 JE PREFERE QU'ON RESTE AMIS cat1 58 € carréor 71 € 01/23 to 01/24 IGUDESMAN & JOO cat1 60 €(max) i scrolled a bit and found a lot of show at 60 € during the week end
you can't compare with other shows (most are much shorter than what was planned for NW)
......i didnt compare it with others shows. This is about the price difference between during week and week end. The numbers are here to show that price doesnt seem to be always twice the week end compared to the rest of the week.
So sad ): But to look at the positive side, the production value of O'Gaming makes it so that an online finals will be better than many offline finals from other tournaments (:
It's a bit sad even for someone who would have watched online in the first place. Yet I want to say thank you for this event (and the previous ones of course), be it online or at "L'Olympia" it is amazing for the viewer, I was even more hooked to starcraft 2 at the start by Pomf&Thud youtube videos, I started not watching it much but since LotV launch party I follow O'gaming a lot, thank you for still casting starcraft despite being the last French organisation to do so, I am sure it will still be awesome!
Very sad for O'gaming, but I am sure, the majority of the community will be happy with it anyway, as it is a great tournament and O'gaming's contribution to the scene is absolutely awesome! Just please don't ban the Koreans! :-) I know, it would be an opportunity how to get Germany back into the tournament, but please, do not do it! :-)
And do not worry, nobody will be upset about it. This is a problem of all big events in France currently. I heard that even the football EURO 2016 will be played online only because of security and safety reasons ...
I understand your frustration but wishful thinking. If you think you know better than them how a deal with Webedia could work (Millennium is owned by Webedia btw), how big the studios or the places are (I somewhat laughed a bit when you mentioned the Meltdown, I think cameras do not do a good job at showing how cramped the place actually is), and what the state of emergency entails regarding travel, security and whatnot, go buy a plane ticket to France and help them organize the mess. I sure don't have that arrogance and fully understand their call.
I actually i'm very curious on the issue personally since this is kind of my field of study ( MD in digital marketing and communication ) and i actually did work in france with startups from thefamily which had similar issues.
The fact that they are going full online like that is weird, i mean they didn't even have a plan b ? I really feel that there would have been ways to save the furnitures with at least the sc2 event, even if the studio is too small i believe there is many ways to host an offline without outrageous cost (without spectators somehow HSC ), especially since they got a lot of equipment already in Paris.
It just feels really bizarre to me, this whole situation.
Maybe the 2 games together wasn't such a great idea, maybe those 2 communities don't want to waste their time watching a game they don't care about.
Exactly why I didn't book.
The events are independent from each other.
Well see this is a problem. If this guy and myself thought they were not then there was some miss communication and that may have been the case to a lot of other people too.
Oh and to the people criticizing my previous post screw yourself, i've never went like "FUCK THEM" or anything, i'm just curious about the whereabouts.
Probably a lot more to do with the cost of transporting, housing and feeding the teams than the cost of the venue itself. I assume ticket costs were going to help with that. Without having the proper venue they can't sell tickets...
On December 23 2015 07:15 Diabolique wrote: And do not worry, nobody will be upset about it. This is a problem of all big events in France currently. I heard that even the football EURO 2016 will be played online only because of security and safety reasons ...
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haha i hope not. I am currently in a city where they spent 400 M € in a stadium for 6 matchs^^
that sucks. sounds like there was nothing they could do though since people weren't buying tickets. probably not rational but I guess that's just normal human behavior
Dont forget that this thing can only work if both sc2 and csgo sold enough. Maybe it's the csgo community that is too small to support this kind of ambitious show. Because every ogaming sc2 offline show was sold out pretty easily
2nd and 3rd of January are when the passport qualifiers for Dreamhack are happening. Hopefully as the year continues the Blizzard Calendar will ensure overlaps like this one won't happen as often as it's been in the past.
I was hoping the consolidation of tournaments would create a better organized, global calendar.
On December 23 2015 10:42 SirRobin wrote: 2nd and 3rd of January are when the passport qualifiers for Dreamhack are happening. Hopefully as the year continues the Blizzard Calendar will ensure overlaps like this one won't happen as often as it's been in the past.
I was hoping the consolidation of tournaments would create a better organized, global calendar.
Who knows, maybe it still will.
Best of luck.
It has been settled thanks to based gods Adebisi and Aeromi.
On December 23 2015 09:28 oGoZenob wrote: Dont forget that this thing can only work if both sc2 and csgo sold enough. Maybe it's the csgo community that is too small to support this kind of ambitious show. Because every ogaming sc2 offline show was sold out pretty easily
I don't think it has anything to do with any of the games' community (and I do think CS has many more people behind it than SC2 in France, dunno though about how well OG can appeal to these, compared to SC2 where they have a dominant position in France).
When you look at the high price, the fact it's in the middle of the week (and not even in the evening), not during holidays, that alone explains reasonably why it didn't sell that well, regardless of the emergency state.
Sad I think there is several factor that put this event down, but i really think that the terrorism is the minor one. 1 - Price of the places 2 - Not in the best position in the week (not even during french holiday) 3 - Coupled with CS was a gamble in my opinion. I cant really know if it encourage people to come, or to not come. 4 - maaaaybe terrorism. ... but you still know all of this.
Anyway, it was a big gamble, you bet it, and pros know it's always better to say "fold" before to be allin (particulary when your hand sucks^^). O'Gaming you're the only ones to dare thoose gambles, and we all respect you for that. Dont let this little fail shut you down. Keep calm and cary on. Love ♥
On December 23 2015 19:01 Khalimaroth wrote: 3 - Coupled with CS was a gamble in my opinion. I cant really know if it encourage people to come, or to not come.
What? How so? These weren't on the same day, and with different tickets...
Also, a gamble but you don't know if it actually impacts? So it might not have been one in fact.
EDIT: Actually I would see why it could be, that is, if those two audience do not overlap at all, they have to reach twice the amount of people to sell their tickets. And if they do overlap, then the price is really high and that might be an issue.
I think a number of basic errors were made with ticket sales. We do not know who will play in the semi's and final. There is perhaps a chance that more people would buy tickets if France would qualify for the event? The same applies to other nations. Perhaps quarterfinals should have been played earlier? Obviously people were waiting for quarterfinals to finish before buying tickets. Ticket prices are rather high and deter the possibility of buying them "just in case" Im not sure if presence of Korea actually improves ticket sales either. Organizing this at 2 pm on a Wednesday doesn't make things easier. Another matter is the "Donations toward prize pool" - then only 40% cut goes toward this goal and the rest goes towards what? Taxes?. This is a good way to reduce donations.. If you want more donations the goals have to be very clear. Like 30% goes for Casters, 30% for technical staff, 40% for players - that sounds much better.
On December 23 2015 22:51 Kafka777 wrote: I think a number of basic errors were made with ticket sales. We do not know who will play in the semi's and final. There is perhaps a chance that more people would buy tickets if France would qualify for the event? The same applies to other nations. Perhaps quarterfinals should have been played earlier? Obviously people were waiting for quarterfinals to finish before buying tickets. Ticket prices are rather high and deter the possibility of buying them "just in case" Im not sure if presence of Korea actually improves ticket sales either. Organizing this at 2 pm on a Wednesday doesn't make things easier. Another matter is the "Donations toward prize pool" - then only 40% cut goes toward this goal and the rest goes towards what? Taxes?. This is a good way to reduce donations.. If you want more donations the goals have to be very clear. Like 30% goes for Casters, 30% for technical staff, 40% for players - that sounds much better.
That's sweet, NW took your TL virginity^^
Stop pretending canada has a chance XD
I tend to disagree about tickets price 50 € seems high but it's not considering that Olympia is a big theater. For NW2, they manage to do it through crowndfunding and a savior (40k €) for the Trinaon (cheap olympia?^^). 1 day set up, 1 day esport. This time, they tried to have more people coming with CS which was a really good idea (1day setup, 2 day esport).
In my opinion, that's where it was a bad move. My boss can agree to give me a dayoff on monday or friday but not in the middle of the week^^ and also not just at the beginning of the year. Just after Xmas holidays, you dont have a lot of money because you have to travel to see your family, buy gifts etc. We should compile a list of reasons why pple didnt buy tickets. It could help to improve organization for next time.
The presence of koreans improves ticket sales because they're good at sc2 (guarantee of good games) and it's really hard to see them if you dont have a lot of money to travel (exclusivity).
Donations are the main income of streamer. To shift some of their income toward the prize pool is a way to improve the cash players can make. It's a good thing.
ps: i heard pple from the entertainement industry in France asked the governement to help them. Maybe ogaming can ask too.
Regarding the CS part of that event, Cnd (which organize it) mentioned that there's also the fact that the context of the terror attack also make showing terrorists and counter-terrorists battling quite hard and inappropriate in a french venue, and that it played also a part in it.
On December 24 2015 02:13 Ragnarork wrote: Regarding the CS part of that event, Cnd (which organize it) mentioned that there's also the fact that the context of the terror attack also make showing terrorists and counter-terrorists battling quite hard and inappropriate in a french venue, and that it played also a part in it.
For real ? ...i thought this nonsense was over a long time :S
On December 23 2015 03:37 shid0x wrote: I don't know what to think about this but somehow it doesn't feel right. I don't know i always saw o'gaming filling everything up with their sc2 events, i can't really believe that you can't fill the olympia.
Maybe the 2 games together wasn't such a great idea, maybe those 2 communities don't want to waste their time watching a game they don't care about.
Nevertheless its still a sad thing but as long as its still offline its cool i guess. If i got it right the players will be in the ogaming studio right ?
I think one of things you are missing is that with the recent events that happened in France there has been a drastic drop in the entertainment industry of people wanting to be in higher profile entertainment areas that are in a rather enclosed area.
This statement is both hard to believe but also understandable. Thanks for the detailed information and best of luck in 2016! I will be watching the online finals for sure!
On December 24 2015 02:13 Ragnarork wrote: Regarding the CS part of that event, Cnd (which organize it) mentioned that there's also the fact that the context of the terror attack also make showing terrorists and counter-terrorists battling quite hard and inappropriate in a french venue, and that it played also a part in it.
For real ? ...i thought this nonsense was over a long time :S
Not that early after the attack, and apparently not in the eye of the potential sponsors they were negotiating with.
This is understandable to some degree. As a gamer myself, I can clearly say I wasn't in the mood to see guns and shoot people in a game right after that. It kind of felt really bad. The game wasn't the issue though, the context was. Now, that lasted a few days, I think notably because none of my friends died there. Might be (and for some I know it has been) different if you've been affected that way by the events.
Then, when you take the larger picture, sponsors might get cautious with that and especially with their image.
On December 24 2015 02:13 Ragnarork wrote: Regarding the CS part of that event, Cnd (which organize it) mentioned that there's also the fact that the context of the terror attack also make showing terrorists and counter-terrorists battling quite hard and inappropriate in a french venue, and that it played also a part in it.
For real ? ...i thought this nonsense was over a long time :S
Not that early after the attack, and apparently not in the eye of the potential sponsors they were negotiating with.
This is understandable to some degree. As a gamer myself, I can clearly say I wasn't in the mood to see guns and shoot people in a game right after that. It kind of felt really bad. The game wasn't the issue though, the context was. Now, that lasted a few days, I think notably because none of my friends died there. Might be (and for some I know it has been) different if you've been affected that way by the events.
Then, when you take the larger picture, sponsors might get cautious with that and especially with their image.
:S arf, indeed, it's always hard to convince sponsors when they have an idea in mind especially in esport.
In my eyes, there are few obvious reasons, and price is not one of them as it is totally worth a whole day of great show.
1) it takes place on a week day, it is hard for french people to attend the show and even more for foreigners as they have to plan the trip (hotel night and such) so it is more than one day off work.
2) the CS event is probably not selling places at all. Too few good teams and Ogaming_CS is still growing and has no big fanbase yet.
3) The choice of a prestigious venue, only avalaible during the week and right after chritsmas and new years eve was just unrealistic. Worst time regarding money you can spend. Good dream but bad move in the end.
4) French crowd does not even know if France will qualify and was probably waiting to buy tickets.
As for me, I would have definitely gone if it was not on a week day and so close to new years eve
Will watch online anyway. I hope Ogaming will not loose too much money in the end as they have probably already paid the venue and few logistic stuff.
Every french people are already shoken by the november terrorist episode. Even in towns far from Paris, cinemas,pubs and stores are not as frequented as usual. Time will cure us all.
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sqEXHa3.jpg)
Closest SC2 event ever was in Valencia iirc.
