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On December 18 2015 08:03 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:01 ClanWars wrote:On December 18 2015 07:59 Musicus wrote:On December 18 2015 07:57 ClanWars wrote:
FYI since some people seem to not be understanding this, this system does not provide 11 extra tournaments, those tournaments are repurposed IEMs/Dreamhacks with Blizzard support and bigger prizepools, but a region lock. But some DHs and IEMs will also be Global Events with 7500points which aren't region locked right? They can choose to be if they want to, but considering the huge amount of input those organisations had into this system, which is clearly favouring foreigners, I have to wonder if this is out of the belief that Koreans don't pull as much viewership. The requirements for a 7500 event incidently are stringent, WCS 5000 circuit events are easier to create. Be one of the only events apart from BlizzCon where fans can see foreigners vs Koreans? Seems very attractive to me tbh. I guess we'll see.
That's the real trick isn't it? Do these tournaments actually believe that would be worth their while? Considering how much input they had into this system, I'm going with no right now.
This will cause a wave of Korean retirements and richer teams will absolutely grab a Korean or two and a visa so they can get at some easier money. The prizepools for GSL/SSL are still far too top heavy, regardless of how much extra money has been put in.
If Axiom weren't already closed, I'd have closed it today.
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On December 18 2015 08:02 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:00 JabuSeika wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Elentos wrote:On December 18 2015 07:56 JabuSeika wrote:
Chances of seeing someone like Flash or any other big Korean players in an NA tournament for 2016 are now zero.
Thank you Blizz.
Chances of seeing Flash in an NA tournament in 2016 were already zero. Like Flash. The only players in SC2 actually like Flash are Jaedong and Stork. And Jaedong has a visa.
Like Flash, as in they play mostly in Korea and Proleague, and some times attended Global events...
herO, Innovation, Classic, Life, Zest, sOs, Maru, Trap, PartinG, soO, Solar, Taeja...
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On December 18 2015 08:01 Phredxor wrote:It's a joke that only 8 from Korea will make it to Blizzcon. And not a funny one 
Well to be fair it was only ever the ro8 that really played at blizzcon anyway
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On December 18 2015 08:01 ClanWars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 07:59 Musicus wrote:On December 18 2015 07:57 ClanWars wrote:
FYI since some people seem to not be understanding this, this system does not provide 11 extra tournaments, those tournaments are repurposed IEMs/Dreamhacks with Blizzard support and bigger prizepools, but a region lock. But some DHs and IEMs will also be Global Events with 7500points which aren't region locked right? They can choose to be if they want to, but considering the huge amount of input those organisations had into this system, which is clearly favouring foreigners, I have to wonder if this is out of the belief that Koreans don't pull as much viewership. The requirements for a 7500 event incidently are stringent, WCS 5000 circuit events are easier to create.
Can they actually base this belief on much? The biggest SC2 events viewer wise in the last few years were always Blizzcon and Katowice and those were almost full Korean. It has to be at least in part based on marketing. Korean events at "reasonable" times for EU/NA draw good views from what I can tell.
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On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them.
Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.
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On December 18 2015 08:04 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them. pretty sure WCS Global was pulling in way way more viewers than any DH did and maybe even more than some IEMs
Nonsense.
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On December 18 2015 08:06 ClanWars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:03 Musicus wrote:On December 18 2015 08:01 ClanWars wrote:On December 18 2015 07:59 Musicus wrote:On December 18 2015 07:57 ClanWars wrote:
FYI since some people seem to not be understanding this, this system does not provide 11 extra tournaments, those tournaments are repurposed IEMs/Dreamhacks with Blizzard support and bigger prizepools, but a region lock. But some DHs and IEMs will also be Global Events with 7500points which aren't region locked right? They can choose to be if they want to, but considering the huge amount of input those organisations had into this system, which is clearly favouring foreigners, I have to wonder if this is out of the belief that Koreans don't pull as much viewership. The requirements for a 7500 event incidently are stringent, WCS 5000 circuit events are easier to create. Be one of the only events apart from BlizzCon where fans can see foreigners vs Koreans? Seems very attractive to me tbh. I guess we'll see. That's the real trick isn't it? Do these tournaments actually believe that would be worth their while? Considering how much input they had into this system, I'm going with no right now. This will cause a wave of Korean retirements and richer teams will absolutely grab a Korean or two and a visa so they can get at some easier money. The prizepools for GSL/SSL are still far too top heavy, regardless of how much extra money has been put in. If Axiom weren't already closed, I'd have closed it today.
Thanks for the input, completely agree with the top heavy prize pool btw.
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On December 18 2015 08:06 JabuSeika wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:02 Elentos wrote:On December 18 2015 08:00 JabuSeika wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Elentos wrote:On December 18 2015 07:56 JabuSeika wrote:
Chances of seeing someone like Flash or any other big Korean players in an NA tournament for 2016 are now zero.
Thank you Blizz.
Chances of seeing Flash in an NA tournament in 2016 were already zero. Like Flash. The only players in SC2 actually like Flash are Jaedong and Stork. And Jaedong has a visa. Like Flash, as in they play mostly in Korea and Proleague, and some times attended Global events... herO, Innovation, Classic, Life, Zest, sOs, Maru, Trap, PartinG, soO, Solar, Taeja...
On December 18 2015 08:03 Elentos wrote:
Use a player who's great but not retired if you don't want replies like that.
This community some times...
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On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them. Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.
Or the whole thing will implode. One way or the other its a large risk. It could work out, or it could bomb horribly. I guess we'll see.
" for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners"
that's not what the data from my tournaments said. The all Korean SHOUTcraft events beat the American SHOUTcraft events in viewership.
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On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them. Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.
No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.
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On December 18 2015 08:08 JabuSeika wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:06 JabuSeika wrote:On December 18 2015 08:02 Elentos wrote:On December 18 2015 08:00 JabuSeika wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Elentos wrote:On December 18 2015 07:56 JabuSeika wrote:
Chances of seeing someone like Flash or any other big Korean players in an NA tournament for 2016 are now zero.
Thank you Blizz.
Chances of seeing Flash in an NA tournament in 2016 were already zero. Like Flash. The only players in SC2 actually like Flash are Jaedong and Stork. And Jaedong has a visa. Like Flash, as in they play mostly in Korea and Proleague, and some times attended Global events... herO, Innovation, Classic, Life, Zest, sOs, Maru, Trap, PartinG, soO, Solar, Taeja... Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:03 Elentos wrote:
Use a player who's great but not retired if you don't want replies like that. This community some times...
On December 18 2015 07:56 JabuSeika wrote:
Chances of seeing someone like Flash or any other big Korean players in an NA tournament for 2016 are now zero.
Thank you Blizz.
Is just asking for a joke response man. Don't take it so hard. Just come up with an example who doesn't have his retirement ceremony this weekend next time.
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On December 18 2015 08:08 JabuSeika wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:06 JabuSeika wrote:On December 18 2015 08:02 Elentos wrote:On December 18 2015 08:00 JabuSeika wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Elentos wrote:On December 18 2015 07:56 JabuSeika wrote:
Chances of seeing someone like Flash or any other big Korean players in an NA tournament for 2016 are now zero.
Thank you Blizz.
Chances of seeing Flash in an NA tournament in 2016 were already zero. Like Flash. The only players in SC2 actually like Flash are Jaedong and Stork. And Jaedong has a visa. Like Flash, as in they play mostly in Korea and Proleague, and some times attended Global events... herO, Innovation, Classic, Life, Zest, sOs, Maru, Trap, PartinG, soO, Solar, Taeja... Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:03 Elentos wrote:
Use a player who's great but not retired if you don't want replies like that. This community some times...
You are making a clown out of yourself, just saying 
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On December 18 2015 08:09 ClanWars wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them. Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen. Or the whole thing will implode. One way or the other its a large risk. It could work out, or it could bomb horribly. I guess we'll see. " for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners" that's not what the data from my tournaments said. The all Korean SHOUTcraft events beat the American SHOUTcraft events in viewership.
Making single tournaments is not going to bring the scene alive, it was already dead to begin with after being flooded with Koreans from perfect practice environment. I totally agree that Koreans play better and they deserve more but we need to give some room to breathe for foreigners too.
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On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them. Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen. No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.
But the whole idea behind this is that in the end the level of play will increase in nonkorean leagues because foreigners have more to look forward to now. So if level of play increases they could give more resistance to the koreans hopefully and the scene as a whole would balance out a little bit better.
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On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them. Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen. No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.
TBH I dont really want to see any foreigners unless they are in Korea competing with Koreans. Not a single foreigner right now is interesting to me.
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On December 18 2015 08:10 Elentos wrote:
Is just asking for a joke response man. Don't take it so hard. Just come up with an example who doesn't have his retirement ceremony this weekend next time.
No prob, it's like you know what I meant. 
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On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them. Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen. No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20.
How do you want to see foreigners beat Koreans when they get matched with the best players in the world from the perfect practice environment in the first round of every tournament? Don't tell me to go to Korea to practice there because I don't see Kespa welcoming me with open arms and saying "Come Nerchio, we need you to practice with Innovation and Life!!"
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On December 18 2015 08:08 Diabolique wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:04 sharkie wrote:On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them. pretty sure WCS Global was pulling in way way more viewers than any DH did and maybe even more than some IEMs Nonsense.
Nope, DH viewers were piss poor.
No one really cared for DHs, they were boring
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On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them. Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen.
Is that a joke or you have some data? Please share if so.
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On December 18 2015 08:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2015 08:10 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 08:07 Nerchio wrote:On December 18 2015 08:03 Diabolique wrote:On December 18 2015 07:58 Nerchio wrote:
I think it looks pretty good, makes me wanna practice but I am a little worried for EU region when there is Latin america etc. with lack of good players Good for you. You will have more money with less viewers. Great business for players, bad business for sponsors. But maybe, at the end of the year, Blizzard realizes how much money does this system cost them. Let's see what it looks like, for 1 person that wants to see Koreans there are 3 that wants to watch foreigners. Especially when a system for foreigners will motivate them to practice enough to put up a fight against koreas in global finals. Then the hype will be more than anything you've seen. No. We all want to see foreigners. But foreigners beating Koreans. Like Snute both GSL and SSL champions at IEM. Or ShowTime almost beating PartinG at DH. It might be interesting for someone to watch the "League of losers", but it is like to watch a Wimbledon, which is allowed only for players ranked lower than TOP20. But the whole idea behind this is that in the end the level of play will increase in nonkorean leagues because foreigners have more to look forward to now. So if level of play increases they could give more resistance to the koreans hopefully and the scene as a whole would balance out a little bit better.
The thing is that we now expect the level of play of foreigners to increase, but a) remove opportunities to prove it and b) ignore that Korea still has all infra-structure set up and is way ahead in terms of practice environment even with WCS and game changes.
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