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The Greatest Rivalry Never Told: Life vs Taeja

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November 19th, 2015 04:08 GMT


The Greatest Rivalry Never Told: Life vs Taeja



The Battle for the Throne


When KeSPA officially announced their massive transfer over from BW to SC2, one of the biggest stories was the rivalry of Flash vs Jaedong. It wasn't surprising. They were two of the greatest players of the BW era and their rivalry would decide who would become the greatest player to have ever touched BW. Unfortunately for SC2 fans, that rivalry never materialized in this new game. Jaedong left Korea to travel the world under EG and Flash was never able to get out of Korea in 2013. By the end of that year, they had completely missed their chance to play against each other at their peak levels in SC2. Due to circumstance and fluctuating skill, they have never played each other during their SC2 careers.

However for my money, SC2 always had that kind of rivalry. Even though it was perhaps not quite as monumental (as Flash and Jaedong all happened in the Korean leagues), its implications for the legacy and the history of the scene was just as large.


One of their many battles that would decide the strongest player in SC2


That rivalry was Life versus Taeja. It was a great loss for every casual fan that their various battles and series were among the most ignored of every major storyline.

To understand this rivalry, one must realize that both Life and Taeja started their careers learning SC2 through the ESV Weekly (2011 to 2012). It was an online weekly cup for non-GSL Koreans where they could play each other competitively for small amounts of money. It was a consortium of numerous Code B players, all of whom were extraordinarily stylistic, strange and weird. Here is a sampling of the list of players they played week in and week out during that one year where they competed in the league:

  • (T)GuMiho, the most stylistic terran player in SC2’s history;
  • (P)CranK, a player who debuted as a progamer with a warp prism cannon rush;
  • (P)GuineaPig, a player who created void ray/collosus and played random;
  • (P)InCa, the sovereign of DTs;
  • (T)PuMa, the master of the 1-1-1;
  • (T)ByuN, one of the most patient Korean terrans to have ever existed;
  • (T)jjakji, one of the stranger terrans to have graced the scene;
  • (Z)Seal, the first player to have understood the importance of creep tumors;
  • (Z)Symbol, the Nydus Worm;
  • (P)TaSSaDaR, a protoss who couldn’t count past 2 bases;
  • (Z)Revival, the winner of the biggest thrown game in SC2’s history;
  • (P)TAiLS, the MVP team league sniper and owner of SC2's most legendary haircut;
  • (T)Hack, another weird terran who used mech vs protoss;
  • (Z)CoCa another really weird zerg;
  • (T)aLive, the most standard of standard terrans;
  • and (P)Sage, another odd protoss.

These were the people they played over and over and over again from the beginning of 2011 to the end of 2012. In fact, the player list was larger, but these were just some of the players that won some of the weekly tournaments. Not just in random Bo1s behind barcodes on the ladder, but against each other in Bo3s and Bo5s across nearly an entire year. An important distinction must be made when you realize that many future tournament winning players that played in these weeklies were forced to think about series planning in a way a normal ladder player never could. In this strange hyperbolic time chamber, what came out were players with very strong playstyle identities. It is a strange contrast to the current era where more players are conforming to the standard now that there are no longer any non-premier events in Korea barring Olimoleague. But for now I’ll focus on two players in particular: Life and Taeja. In that time they played multiple times ending in Taeja’s favor 12-1. However, the real rewards for both players would only be witnessed once they ascended into Code S. By the time they had qualified for Korea's premier tournament, they had forged a style that was completely their own.

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Life left with a fundamental understanding of zerg which would eventually lead to the tactical revolution he would initiate during his rise to prominence. Most people simplify it as his run-by/counter-attack style, but it is more than that. It is a preternatural understanding of build orders both orthodox and unorthodox and knowing their push out timings and their exact weak points. It is an understanding of the exact moment when a player glances away from his army or glances away from his natural. It is knowing the exact moment when his opponent is preoccupied and striking without hesitation. In those individual seconds, where the mind goes from macro to micro to army control, Life attacks those transitions of thought to action and catches some of the best players off guard again and again and again. While others see luck, Life only sees opportunity. By the time Life had left ESV, he was armed with a multitude of weird builds, had incredible mechanics, was one of the best attackers in the world, had developed into one of the best series players in the world and the best counter attack player in ZvT (until ByuL rose to prominence in 2015). Life is a player who creates initiative; if his opponent resists, he takes it anyway be it through counterattack or deception. He learned all this through the gauntlet that was ESV.

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His complete opposite was Taeja. During his time playing in the weekly, Taeja won 9 ESV TV tournaments, 2 of which were ESV Finals. At the time, Taeja was an nonsalaried player on SlayerS who later went teamless. In order to make money and keep his skills up, he played these ESV TV Weeklies to win. And he did it by taking a completely different approach from Life. While Life was a tactical genius at reading the game and breaking his opponent, Taeja was a tactical genius at reading the game and denying all advantage from his opponent. For some, this is difficult to see because Taeja took generally passive positions in the game. Yet one must not mistake his passivity for inaction; he never just sat there. He would always poke and prod at the edges, reading and reacting to what his opponent was doing. When he saw the prime opportunity to attack, he’d strike fast and hard without leaving any openings. Taeja was the ultimate defensive player who could take anyone of any race to the late game and win, regardless of whether he was going against BL/infestor or if he was playing against endgame protoss from 2013-2014 (Fun fact: for nearly the entirety of that time Taeja was one of three players to never use the SCV pull along with Maru and Polt). And all of this was based solely on Taeja’s incredible game sense and decision making. With his game sense he seemed to know exactly what would happen, when it would happen and why it would happen and the exact answer to the problem before it ever happened. Taeja let his opponent play his game and then he’d swat it away with such utter and contemptuous ease that one would have wondered why the other player even bothered at all.

If Life was the strongest aggressive player in the world, then Taeja was the strongest passive player in the world. And in a strange twist of fate whenever the two of them played against lesser players, it almost always ended in terrible games. Life would instantly crush them before anything happened with what looked like simple attacks. Taeja would let them try, counter it and then end the game leaving the other player with no answer. If there was ever any proof to the strategic and tactical depth of SC2 it would be the existence of Life and Taeja. Both of them played in completely opposite styles and yet both would become two of the three greatest players to have ever played the game.



After the death of ESV weekly, it would not be until the first Summer of Taeja that the two would meet online again. In IPL TAC3, Life was slaughtered along with the rest of his team while Taeja carried his on his back. Yet Life didn’t let it end there. In his royal road run, Life defeated Taeja 3-0 on his way to his GSL title. Then, he did it twice again during his MLG Fall Championship winning 2-0 twice. At that point in time everyone thought the new age would be written by Life.

Yet in 2013, in two of the biggest LANs of the year with GSL level competition, Taeja met Life at IEM Bucharest and DH Winter. In both tournaments, Taeja destroyed Life 2-0 and then 2-0 and 4-2 again. Life at the time had a revival in skill where he had looked as good as his royal road run, but against the height of Taeja it was nothing. Like every other player in the world he was rolled over in Taeja’s march to the top. The Taeja victory train continued as he then destroyed Life at IEM WC 2014 and then again at IEM Shenzhen 2014 where he won 3-1 and 2-1 respectively.

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All of this led to Life’s resurrection to his second peak at the very end of 2014. There he destroyed BizzCon which would have been a forgettable event (in terms of game quality) if not for his series against Taeja. He just barely edged out the victory 3-2 in what was one of the best TvZs of the year. At the end of the year at DH Winter, he would again squeak out a victory against Taeja after knocking him into the lower bracket, winning 2-0 in the earlier series and then 3-2 in the decider—before losing to ForGG.

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In the overall context of their careers we can see a general trend. Most people rate Life as the second greatest player in SC2’s history. According to my criteria, I argued that Taeja was the third greatest player in SC2’s history. Now look at that head-to-head record in map score: it has been Taeja 27-20 Life. Take out the ESV TV matches and the score is 15-19 and 5-6 in series.

Now simplify that again to only include knock-out games and the score is 4-3 in Taeja's favor. The seven tournaments were seven of the largest and most competitive in SC2’s history: GSL Season 4 2012, DH Open Bucharest 2013, DH Winter 2013, IEM WC 2014, IEM Shenzhen 2014, BlizzCon 2014, DH Winter 2014. All seven tournaments were of the highest caliber possible with a majority of the best players during those time periods in attendance. The winner of their series went on to win 5 of the 7 tournaments, with Taeja winning 3 and Life claiming 2. In the two tournaments they didn't win, they placed 3rd/4th and 2nd. If Taeja had made it to the GSL Season 4 finals, he’d have been favored against Mvp (though technically anyone in the Ro8 should have been favored against Mvp given his wrist issues). If one of these two players had not existed, the other would have likely superseded Mvp as the greatest player of all time by winning 2-3 more of the greatest premier tournaments we've ever had.

This wasn’t just a rivalry of two of the best players in the game, it was a rivalry for the very legacy and history of SC2. At the very height of the game Life and Taeja battled for the very throne of the world and almost none of the casters or production noticed. While everyone was waiting futilely for the Flash vs Jaedong matchup, we saw the fate of SC2 be decided time and time again each time Taeja and Life met in some of the biggest tournaments in SC2’s history.


One of the last times the two would meet at the peak of their skills


Photo Credits: Brita Jonsson, Kevin "silverfire" Chang,
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atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1710 Posts
November 19 2015 04:15 GMT
#2
Fantastic read. I miss the ESV days, I thoroughly enjoyed those casts.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
November 19 2015 04:18 GMT
#3
I remember almost every week these two would hit in the KW. Every week I'd look at what matches we should cast and ask myself each time "Should we do Life vs TaeJa again????" I would go watch the replays (only ones I ever did this for) and every time was like "Wow this is the best series of this tournament, we HAVE to show this!"

It's amazing to see how far both players went later on, and amazing knowing I had a front row seat for the future.
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fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
November 19 2015 04:30 GMT
#4
10/10 would read again.
I remember those summers of Taeja with fondness, the countless hours spent staying late or waking early to watch these games. Thank you stuchiu for writing this article.
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PinheadXXXXXX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States897 Posts
November 19 2015 04:36 GMT
#5
The Life-Taeja series are among the best, most high-level series of all time. They were both players from an earlier age when all terrans and zergs didn't play so similarly, and when strategic prodigies like the two of them could get by with minimal series planning simply because they played so well and made such good decisions ingame. And because of this, because whenever they played, they tried to outmaneuver each other and outplay each other instead of countering each other's builds, their series were previews of the innovations in TvZ play that we would marvel over months later. The play from Dream that we all thought was so good in his series vs. Life and other zergs was stuff that Taeja had done against Life in 2013 and 2014. Byul's distinctive counterattack play? Yeah, we saw hints of that in Taeja vs. Life series. This was such a great rivalry not just because the two of them were so good but because they always pushed each other to the limit, every time, and had to use every single tool in their starcraft toolkit to win.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 04:37:06
November 19 2015 04:36 GMT
#6
great article.but the greatest unknown rivalry ever is Virus versus himself making stupid mistakes to lost games. first there was his game against Nestea where he threw game one by playing mech tvz like he played marine tank and having all his tanks moving unsieged at the front of the army. then there was the time in his last gsl series where he saved his expansion then never repaired it for the next minute and a half while it burned to the ground. good times.

seriously though great article as always, really fun nostaligic read.
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
November 19 2015 05:18 GMT
#7
One of those players is still relevant, the other one is not.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8303 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 05:31:19
November 19 2015 05:29 GMT
#8
God that top 8 of GSL Season 4 2012 was incredible:

Just look at this thing of beauty:

wiki.teamliquid.net

Like, I'll grant you that most 2012 GSLs had great top 8s, but Season 4 was the only one where I wanted pretty much every player to advance! [small]shakes fist angrily at Seed and Sniper... begins to glare at Oz and then remembers that was the "think PvP is a coin flip, just watch me" match and laughs[small]

Also, remember when Puzzle was hyped up like nobody's buisness?

Though now that I think about 2012 Season 4 again, I kept rooting against Life, not because I had anything against him personally but I really wanted MKP to win, and then I would have preferred Taeja to win, and then I really wanted MVP to win.

Anyway, great read. I'm also really glad Diamond got to post on the second post after OP. Adds to the legacy. You did fantastic work hosting those Diamond, they were always a treat to watch.

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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
November 19 2015 05:32 GMT
#9
On November 19 2015 14:29 TheDougler wrote:
Anyway, great read. I'm also really glad Diamond got to post on the second post after OP. Adds to the legacy. You did fantastic work hosting those Diamond, they were always a treat to watch.


Thank you for the kind words. I honestly miss that tournament SOOOO much. It was one of the hardest things I have ever done (since I did everything but make production and cast it) but it was just so rewarding.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 19 2015 06:16 GMT
#10
I'm glad we released this juuuuust before Flash vs Jaedong in GPL
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
November 19 2015 06:25 GMT
#11
What a great read. Makes me all nostalgic...
If only there weren't wrist issues, how much greater would starcraft be?
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
November 19 2015 06:33 GMT
#12
On November 19 2015 15:16 lichter wrote:
I'm glad we released this juuuuust before Flash vs Jaedong in GPL

"The lamest rivalry always told"

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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 10:34:26
November 19 2015 07:43 GMT
#13
Last year blizzcon semis, such a sick series
not as good as DRG INno GSL season 3 2013 but still
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 19 2015 07:44 GMT
#14
Beautiful. Further captures why I'd rank their encounter on KSS the best game of HotS.
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CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3330 Posts
November 19 2015 10:07 GMT
#15
...awesome article and great analysis!

...I remember seeing this rivalry develop through the months and what astounds me even now is that every single match between them was so close and nailbiting, with them always playing at the top and developing strategies and stuff from which every high-level player took inspiration for the months to follow... unfortunately TaeJa's wrists melted and he is not prominent anymore while Life continued to be top level but I'd like so much to see them playing again at that level!

...btw, their series at WCS Global Finals 2014 still is some of the best TvZ I've seen in hots...
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Lgnarrow
Profile Joined April 2015
104 Posts
November 19 2015 10:21 GMT
#16
Honestly, do you still think life is 2nd greatest player of all time, after his Global final run ?
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
November 19 2015 12:38 GMT
#17
My biggest wish right now is that TaeJa comes back to the top of the sc2 scene.
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
November 19 2015 13:02 GMT
#18
Great article; only bone to pick is CoCa being described as "another weird Zerg". He was so much more!
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 19 2015 13:03 GMT
#19
haha, finally !
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Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
November 19 2015 13:19 GMT
#20
On November 19 2015 14:18 usopsama wrote:
One of those players is still relevant, the other one is not.


Yes, that happens when you retire. MVP isn't exactly relevant anymore either. He's still one of the greatest ever.
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
November 19 2015 14:04 GMT
#21
On November 19 2015 22:19 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2015 14:18 usopsama wrote:
One of those players is still relevant, the other one is not.


Yes, that happens when you retire. MVP isn't exactly relevant anymore either. He's still one of the greatest ever.

Seriously. This article is historical, but that doesn't make it any less visceral or important.
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[Tek]Darktek
Profile Joined March 2013
United States28 Posts
November 19 2015 14:34 GMT
#22
Yes, definantaly 2 of the greatest players of their races. Taeja kept me playing terran after hots was released. Protoss was giving me alot of trouble then, zerg was a bit of a pain too. But taeja showed us that terran can still beat them in good fashion. 2014 was it? Hots was out for a year, and Taeja won so many tournaments. Both of these players show great games.

Another rivalry I'd like to see in a post like this. Bomber & Scarlette. Every time those 2 play. The games are always butt-clenchers. I guess its not an official rivalry but every time i see those 2 in the same tournament I hope to see them end up in the same brackette.
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Thomasmarkle
Profile Joined June 2011
United States85 Posts
November 19 2015 14:35 GMT
#23
I absolutely loved this article. Taeja has always been my favorite players since he was on NEX, and its nice seeing another TL article about him.

I feel this is being written ahead of the Power Ranks for HotS because Taeja is going to be placed "high" and TL is going to get a lot of backlash for it (because for some reason every time TL does it, everyone scream "TL bias")

I love Taeja and Life and I think they both very much deserve to be ranked highly as part of the greatest players of all time.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 19 2015 14:47 GMT
#24
My two favorite players based on skill. Those two have provided so many great series it's absurd. But I don't know if we can say that their rivalry was never talked about, I thought it was a pretty publicized one.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3345 Posts
November 19 2015 15:07 GMT
#25
and (P)Sage, another odd protoss.


Archon Drops yo!
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 19 2015 15:37 GMT
#26
Great article, but for a Taeja denier like me the overall conclusion

its implications for the legacy and the history of the scene was just as large.


just doesn't feel right. I don't see Taeja as the third greatest player in sc2, which makes the rivalry a lot less about the big picture.
I still like the article quite a bit because it still is a great sc2 history piece, i am probably one of the few readers who won't agree with your big statement though.
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 16:12:36
November 19 2015 16:12 GMT
#27
Good Article, but one who thinks that Taeja is on par with Life and one of top 2/3 players of All time is seriously deluded or knows nothing about SC...
The guy isn't even top 10 :/ Was a beast though on his prime thats for sure.
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
November 19 2015 16:24 GMT
#28
On November 20 2015 01:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Good Article, but one who thinks that Taeja is on par with Life and one of top 2/3 players of All time is seriously deluded or knows nothing about SC...
The guy isn't even top 10 :/ Was a beast though on his prime thats for sure.

he literally wasn't beaten by anyone except the hottest of the hottest current gsl pros when he was at his peaks. ffs he has an even-ish record against life post life becoming the monster he is known as today. he has positive winrecords vs probably more than 80% of the players that people would commonly place high in these rankings.
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
November 19 2015 16:32 GMT
#29
Taeja's dead, let him RIP Team Liquid
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
November 19 2015 16:34 GMT
#30
On November 20 2015 01:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Good Article, but one who thinks that Taeja is on par with Life and one of top 2/3 players of All time is seriously deluded or knows nothing about SC...
The guy isn't even top 10 :/ Was a beast though on his prime thats for sure.

Haha i wouldn't go that far :D
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rehnen
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden10 Posts
November 19 2015 16:34 GMT
#31
Feels so strange yo read about taeja in terms of rivalry. The guy shows no emotions, there is passion involved in rivalries.
phantomfive
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)404 Posts
November 19 2015 16:47 GMT
#32
On November 19 2015 21:38 Charoisaur wrote:
My biggest wish right now is that TaeJa comes back to the top of the sc2 scene.

It really depends on his wrists. When his wrists are good, no one can beat him.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3345 Posts
November 19 2015 17:15 GMT
#33
Life, Parting and Taeja are the players that have set the bar for how impressive you can play. Maru is showing great promise, but he's not there yet IMO though he has shown similar level.
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
November 19 2015 17:48 GMT
#34
On November 20 2015 02:15 ejozl wrote:
Life, Parting and Taeja are the players that have set the bar for how impressive you can play. Maru is showing great promise, but he's not there yet IMO though he has shown similar level.

I am sure sc2 dislikes Maru's playstyle.
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evolsiefil
Profile Joined October 2015
143 Posts
November 19 2015 18:02 GMT
#35
can somebody link me that game which was according to this article the biggest throw in sc2?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 18:18:10
November 19 2015 18:17 GMT
#36
On November 20 2015 03:02 evolsiefil wrote:
can somebody link me that game which was according to this article the biggest throw in sc2?

Stuchiu probably means Revival vs ByuL in WCS AM, but that wasn't really a throw. ByuL committed to mass muta and Revival eventually got to a hydra/roach/infestor army (even though he had no income compared to ByuL) and forced ByuL to suicide on 9 spore crawlers
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15914 Posts
November 19 2015 18:36 GMT
#37
On November 20 2015 03:17 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 03:02 evolsiefil wrote:
can somebody link me that game which was according to this article the biggest throw in sc2?

Stuchiu probably means Revival vs ByuL in WCS AM, but that wasn't really a throw. ByuL committed to mass muta and Revival eventually got to a hydra/roach/infestor army (even though he had no income compared to ByuL) and forced ByuL to suicide on 9 spore crawlers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01WQxBjAX0

it was a huge throw. Byul was so far ahead he could have just transitioned to roach hydra himself and stomp revival. but he just kept making mutas and suicided them.
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 19 2015 18:37 GMT
#38
Meh now I wanna see a Taeja Life Archon match. Really a great read, though it made me miss those ESV days ... Katrina showed me how retarded golds without rocks can be xD.
Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
November 19 2015 20:32 GMT
#39
Taeja pls comeback
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IronL
Profile Joined January 2012
United States34 Posts
November 19 2015 20:36 GMT
#40
Great article, thank you! I've always been a big fan of this match up along with Flash/Ryung
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-19 21:02:41
November 19 2015 20:58 GMT
#41
On November 20 2015 03:36 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 03:17 Ej_ wrote:
On November 20 2015 03:02 evolsiefil wrote:
can somebody link me that game which was according to this article the biggest throw in sc2?

Stuchiu probably means Revival vs ByuL in WCS AM, but that wasn't really a throw. ByuL committed to mass muta and Revival eventually got to a hydra/roach/infestor army (even though he had no income compared to ByuL) and forced ByuL to suicide on 9 spore crawlers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01WQxBjAX0

it was a huge throw. Byul was so far ahead he could have just transitioned to roach hydra himself and stomp revival. but he just kept making mutas and suicided them.


Yes, definitely the biggest throw ever. Bigger than anything Nestea had ever done even when going full-Zergbong. An unbelievably frustrating game.

Hell, he was so far ahead he probably could've played it even safer and gone into SH/Muta. Especially considering he had a wall of spines around his two mining bases.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
November 19 2015 21:39 GMT
#42
I remember that game, I remember seeing that live and lol'ing. Good times.
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SeCReTT
Profile Joined November 2015
31 Posts
November 19 2015 22:35 GMT
#43
wow nice ¡
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
November 19 2015 23:00 GMT
#44
On November 19 2015 22:02 sparklyresidue wrote:
Great article; only bone to pick is CoCa being described as "another weird Zerg". He was so much more!


True, he was "the guy who was retired for somewhat fixing matches"
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
November 19 2015 23:22 GMT
#45
On November 19 2015 22:02 sparklyresidue wrote:
Great article; only bone to pick is CoCa being described as "another weird Zerg". He was so much more!

Agreed! Coca was the shit
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Blind Io
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom56 Posts
November 20 2015 02:03 GMT
#46
On November 20 2015 01:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Good Article, but one who thinks that Taeja is on par with Life and one of top 2/3 players of All time is seriously deluded or knows nothing about SC...
The guy isn't even top 10 :/ Was a beast though on his prime thats for sure.

When he retired he had won more premier titles than any other player in SC2 history. You are either seriously deluded or you know nothing about SC...
TaeJa GOAT
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
November 20 2015 02:07 GMT
#47
On November 20 2015 11:03 Blind Io wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 01:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Good Article, but one who thinks that Taeja is on par with Life and one of top 2/3 players of All time is seriously deluded or knows nothing about SC...
The guy isn't even top 10 :/ Was a beast though on his prime thats for sure.

When he retired he had won more premier titles than any other player in SC2 history. You are either seriously deluded or you know nothing about SC...


Losing record against Flash though. Clearly a scrub.
Blind Io
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom56 Posts
November 20 2015 02:11 GMT
#48
On November 20 2015 11:07 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 11:03 Blind Io wrote:
On November 20 2015 01:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Good Article, but one who thinks that Taeja is on par with Life and one of top 2/3 players of All time is seriously deluded or knows nothing about SC...
The guy isn't even top 10 :/ Was a beast though on his prime thats for sure.

When he retired he had won more premier titles than any other player in SC2 history. You are either seriously deluded or you know nothing about SC...


Losing record against Flash though. Clearly a scrub.


I think that statement says more about Flash's performance in SC2 than anything else.
TaeJa GOAT
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-20 03:40:59
November 20 2015 03:39 GMT
#49
Life and Taeja also were on the same clan, NEX

Also, Sage was the coolest protoss back in the day
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
erby
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
464 Posts
November 20 2015 03:45 GMT
#50
stuchiu stop, I can't handle all the feelings.

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ClaudeSc2
Profile Joined May 2014
United States73 Posts
November 20 2015 06:38 GMT
#51
The reason this rivalry isn't told...is because during Taejas height, and the times when he was able to best Life...Life wasn't playing full time because school and Taeja was...Taeja has also never won a tournament on Korean soil...so yeah...I will use more(...)now...
Nirel
Profile Joined September 2011
Israel1526 Posts
November 20 2015 06:47 GMT
#52
Where is my Taeja
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
November 20 2015 09:08 GMT
#53
Excellent work as always stuchiu.
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Falckon
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway30 Posts
November 20 2015 10:27 GMT
#54
Great read! And i definately could relate to beeing a bit too caught up in old storylines to be able to see great new ones...
Homunculus159
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria220 Posts
November 20 2015 13:38 GMT
#55
On November 19 2015 14:18 usopsama wrote:
One of those players is still relevant, the other one is not.



When you (semi) retire that is something that happens



Great article10/10
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
November 20 2015 14:07 GMT
#56
On November 20 2015 06:39 blade55555 wrote:
I remember that game, I remember seeing that live and lol'ing. Good times.

yes! it was amazing just seeing it happen.
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tokinho
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States792 Posts
November 20 2015 17:01 GMT
#57
lol the greatest rivalry never told I think is Parting vs Kespa. Parting single handedly changed the pvp and pvt meta. Stuchio I want a Parting article.
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Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
November 20 2015 18:28 GMT
#58
This honestly feels less like a real article and a more like a "TL is the greatest team hurr durr bias? never heard of it!".
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Stolker
Profile Joined March 2013
United States96 Posts
November 20 2015 20:50 GMT
#59
Taeja is great but still. Life is the best and the only rivalry i can think was life vs inno
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 20 2015 20:53 GMT
#60
On November 21 2015 03:28 Shinespark wrote:
This honestly feels less like a real article and a more like a "TL is the greatest team hurr durr bias? never heard of it!".


I don't understand what this post means
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 20 2015 20:58 GMT
#61
On November 21 2015 05:53 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2015 03:28 Shinespark wrote:
This honestly feels less like a real article and a more like a "TL is the greatest team hurr durr bias? never heard of it!".


I don't understand what this post means

I think he means it's an excuse to talk about how great TaeJa was.
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
November 21 2015 05:27 GMT
#62
It's pretty obvious just reading through this thread who's relatively new to SC2 and who's actually watched both of the players from the beginning lol. Those ESV Weeklies were the shit. The IPLTAC was going on the same time, but it was so obvious that the level of play in ESV was so much higher than even those of some of the best foreigner pros at the time.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
DonDomingo
Profile Joined October 2015
504 Posts
November 21 2015 12:00 GMT
#63
I miss the well-playing TaeJa once thought a welcome constant in an ever changing world.
DonDomingo
Profile Joined October 2015
504 Posts
November 21 2015 12:01 GMT
#64
On November 21 2015 05:58 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2015 05:53 Zealously wrote:
On November 21 2015 03:28 Shinespark wrote:
This honestly feels less like a real article and a more like a "TL is the greatest team hurr durr bias? never heard of it!".


I don't understand what this post means

I think he means it's an excuse to talk about how great TaeJa was.

Which really is just a sad reminder that he's no longer relevant
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
November 21 2015 20:14 GMT
#65
That game on Yeonsu is criminally underrated.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8971 Posts
November 21 2015 23:53 GMT
#66
I consider myself a good writer. But Stuchiu, you have a way with the keyboard. TaeJa vs Life or TaeJa vs Innovation. He plays the best players and gifts us with some of the best games SCII has seen. Is he irrelevant now? Sure, but his wrists are healing, he's enjoying those $10k checks. Maybe he will make an appearance at one of the GSL/SSL quals and surprise people.
Meckie
Profile Joined September 2012
18 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-22 13:12:59
November 22 2015 13:06 GMT
#67
He's the very reason I kept on playing SC2. Also his matches vs. Innovation are definitely among the best games of all time. I'm not a Terran-player and I'm generally not the biggest fan of mirror-matches but when those two faced eachother, it was one long orgasm.

Some moron in here claimed TaeJa wasn't even in top 10..... And the argument everyone with that retarded opinion uses is the fact that he never won anything on Korean soil - and obviously that's correct. But all of the "best" who won in Korea got stomped when they faced TaeJa at his peak. Just not in Korea. TaeJa travelled the world constantly and still managed to do that. Had he stayed permanently in Korea, he'd probably have about five times the amount of practice - and even a lot better practice - than he had. I'm pretty sure we have a lot of Koreans who appreciates the fact that he travelled a lot.
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
November 22 2015 15:39 GMT
#68
Life just became the best player in SC2 with that Blizzcon run. He just slowly tipped MVP over.
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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
November 22 2015 16:18 GMT
#69
For a second I thought it was Gorush and Nal_rA in the banner.
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sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
November 22 2015 22:34 GMT
#70
This article screams elitism. Basically name drops every known old school player to let us know that u watched korean weekly cups and every other caster just focused on flash and jaedong. There was no in depth look at the HUGE tournaments that u keep mentioning. Taeja vs life in gsl was the most anticipated match that season. If you're going to write about a rivalry you should insert more details about their rivalry. 5-4 20-12 etc etc numbers numbers. Amazing you can look up match scores. Omg they both had normal career startups with playing online cups. So when do we get to the part about their rivalry again?

This had a good start but lacked in anything substantial afterwards. 3/10 lazy writing more TL Taeja propaganda.
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Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
November 23 2015 01:45 GMT
#71
You go girlfriend, don't let know TL beetches mess with your alpha strut.

Enjoyed the story and the vids. Was also nice to read one of these in one sitting.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 04:58:30
November 23 2015 02:27 GMT
#72
nvm, not gonna get started against ignorant ppl who don't know their history...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
November 23 2015 03:56 GMT
#73
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Sjokola
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands800 Posts
November 23 2015 11:33 GMT
#74
On November 20 2015 11:07 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2015 11:03 Blind Io wrote:
On November 20 2015 01:12 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Good Article, but one who thinks that Taeja is on par with Life and one of top 2/3 players of All time is seriously deluded or knows nothing about SC...
The guy isn't even top 10 :/ Was a beast though on his prime thats for sure.

When he retired he had won more premier titles than any other player in SC2 history. You are either seriously deluded or you know nothing about SC...


Losing record against Flash though. Clearly a scrub.

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