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Proleague with Archon Mode?

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Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
November 17 2015 04:05 GMT
#1
What are the chances of implementing Archon Mode in the next Proleague session?

I mean, like back in the day where it was 2v2...
What do you think about that?
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
November 17 2015 04:11 GMT
#2
If they shift proleague back to a best of 7 then sure. I don't want to "waste" 1 of the matches in a bo5 to archon mode
SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
November 17 2015 04:20 GMT
#3
Its possible, although back in BW they had team melee and didn't use it. Personally I would love to see bo7 come back with archon mode and perhaps even 2v2.
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1207 Posts
November 17 2015 04:33 GMT
#4
I think the problem would be that the players would have to unlearn certain mechanics that they use when they play single player so that they can work with another person. But the problem is that while they are unlearning these mechanics for archon mode, they are hindering themselves for 1v1. We'd probably not see the highest level pros doing archon mode and would probably have their lower-tier players doing archon mode.

Aside from that, I think it would amazing if all of the matches were archon mode because the skill level would be so much higher.

Actually, imagine if all the matches in GSL, WCS, and all the premier tournaments implemented archon mode. Aside from the lag, the highest level would be insane because of the ability to macro and micro near-perfectly.
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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
November 17 2015 04:46 GMT
#5
Hm, imo it wouldn't happen unless Blizzard pressed them to do it (highlight new feature of their product). I would watch a separate 2v2 or Archon tournament.
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crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1181 Posts
November 17 2015 05:48 GMT
#6
ace match archond mode, you read it here first
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
November 17 2015 05:50 GMT
#7
IMO it would not happen even if PL goes bo7
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 17 2015 06:02 GMT
#8
Do you know what I miss? Those Proleague All-star showmatches that they used to have every once in a while where they did cool stuff like 2v2s, relay matches, and off-race shenanigans. That would be a perfect event to hold one or two archon mode games, especially with the community voting for the pairings.
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LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
November 17 2015 07:03 GMT
#9
It would be pretty awful
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BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-17 07:14:41
November 17 2015 07:13 GMT
#10
On November 17 2015 16:03 LongShot27 wrote:
It would be pretty awful


Why? Nobody is, or ever will be, close to the skill ceiling for micro in sc2
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Not that it would look anything like that, but archon mode would raise the amount of cool micro we see.

My only concern would be for balance, because if one race has little potential for micro they might be comparatively worse in archon mode.
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Liquid`Zephyr
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States996 Posts
November 17 2015 07:54 GMT
#11
i think regularly seeing archon mode games in the proleague lineup would devalue the experience of watching the rest of the 1v1 matches so it probably wont ever, and shouldnt ever, happen.

i think 2s could be cool though
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Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
November 17 2015 08:06 GMT
#12
I think it will happen in special showmatch rounds, but apart from that no.
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4236 Posts
November 17 2015 09:53 GMT
#13
It'd be cute, but I wouldn't want those players' 1v1 game to be any less strong, because star players had to practice archon mode, just in case.
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EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
November 17 2015 09:54 GMT
#14
It would be pretty great, progamers playing at the highest level working as an archon, should be really good.
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1979 Posts
November 17 2015 10:05 GMT
#15
shouldn't happen; archon mode (- team melee) is a gimmick that should be reserved for showmatches.
TheoMikkelsen
Profile Joined June 2013
Denmark196 Posts
November 17 2015 13:10 GMT
#16
That would be interesting!
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
November 17 2015 13:47 GMT
#17
On November 17 2015 13:33 FrkFrJss wrote:
I think the problem would be that the players would have to unlearn certain mechanics that they use when they play single player so that they can work with another person. But the problem is that while they are unlearning these mechanics for archon mode, they are hindering themselves for 1v1. We'd probably not see the highest level pros doing archon mode and would probably have their lower-tier players doing archon mode.

Aside from that, I think it would amazing if all of the matches were archon mode because the skill level would be so much higher.

Actually, imagine if all the matches in GSL, WCS, and all the premier tournaments implemented archon mode. Aside from the lag, the highest level would be insane because of the ability to macro and micro near-perfectly.

That would turn me off bigtime. I enjoy attempting to emulate fights, but I can barely copy a real pro in 5 attempts - copying 2? ggnore
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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
November 18 2015 15:59 GMT
#18
On November 17 2015 16:54 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
i think regularly seeing archon mode games in the proleague lineup would devalue the experience of watching the rest of the 1v1 matches so it probably wont ever, and shouldnt ever, happen.

i think 2s could be cool though


If archon mode would devalue 1v1 then archon mode matches are more valuable. Maybe its the way SC2 is supposed to be played after all?

If you follow that train of thought (archon mode taking over 1v1) then maybe this will even spawn a new RTS genre, just like DotA did.
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ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-18 17:29:46
November 18 2015 17:24 GMT
#19
On November 19 2015 00:59 clickrush wrote:
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On November 17 2015 16:54 Liquid`Zephyr wrote:
i think regularly seeing archon mode games in the proleague lineup would devalue the experience of watching the rest of the 1v1 matches so it probably wont ever, and shouldnt ever, happen.

i think 2s could be cool though


If archon mode would devalue 1v1 then archon mode matches are more valuable. Maybe its the way SC2 is supposed to be played after all?

If you follow that train of thought (archon mode taking over 1v1) then maybe this will even spawn a new RTS genre, just like DotA did.

I doubt it, this mode was in SC/BW since the beginning and people only played it quite rarely for laugh, I think the only two reasons there is some focus on this in SC2 right now are 1]lots of advertisement for it as a "new feature" (an important sales argument for a second expansion) and 2]you can potentially be stronger in SC2 in archon mode because the most important thing in the game is focusing in the right place at the right time.
In SC1/BW generally I think in Team melee you are less efficient than in 1v1 because it is too difficult to coordinate or play creatively. I'd be curious to know what happens for pros though, I saw was it Bisu I think play Team melee on his stream the other day? But yeah it's a mode that doesn't really promote strategy because there are so many ways to do every thing but to play really well you need that all this every thing to coincide with your style and specific view of the game. So I think, at "equal" level one player will generally win vs 2 team melee players.
So what would that make SC2 "archon mode" ? The mode where you can be stronger with 2 players instead of 1 player in the same game because you can always have someone to react/focus anywhere. It can increase the rythm of the game a bit but it won't promote strategy. Is that enough to make it a lot more popular or competitive than "team melee" in the long term ? Personally I doubt it.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10836 Posts
November 18 2015 17:29 GMT
#20
This could be really interesting actually!
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