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Bisutopia19316 Posts
On October 22 2015 16:37 Chuddinater wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 15:47 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Likely this was some sort of move pushed by someone outside Afreeca, considering the odd change of position
Korean fans reaction to Afreeca refusing to ban match fixers was pretty intense. TL users didn't see the backlash the Korean community had against Afreeca and when your customers riot against you a company will change their stance pretty quickly.
Yeah. While I think they had the right to not get involved, this is the right move because they are host to the GSL tournament and now play a bigger role in the sc2 community.
How would you say korean reactions and responses to this are compared to last time when it happened in BW?
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Most Korean esports fans were outrageous on afreeca's decision to let match fixers keep streaming on SC.
And the opinion was led by casters, ex-progamers, journalists. Even the current progamers were showing their fury by trying to boycott GSL.
Well, we Korean fans had a victory over afreeca this time. I'm sure afreeca underestimated what would happen if they refused, they made the right decision now, but too late. Their name is already tilted now. They should have accepted in the first place.
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Many people say that money rules the Afreeca World and that they changed opinion after the outrage.
I want to point out however that kespa themselves admit to fault since they did not offically reach out to Afreeca but just posted a "manifesto". To be honet I think just posting something like that without first contacting Afreeca is very bad manners and I totally understand Afreecas initial reaction in that situation.
Thus the wrongdoing is at least 50% on kespa and there's no foundation at all for it being the money of the public outrage that made Afreeca change their minds. Maybe kespa making contact and talking with them about it was all that was needed.
My point is that we don't know.
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My mind = blown at this point.
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Byebye drama. Good that way, no need to hurt this games reputation before LotV.
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Glad the situation is resolved with AfreecaTV taking a strong stance as a major player in the pro SC2 scene.
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Good move Afreeca. We needed that.
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Sounds like Afreeca said they didn't want kespa dictating things, then as soon as magnitude/full context/backlash became apparent changed. I agree with them on both counts.
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I guess we couldn't really expect anything else since KeSPA doesn't lose very often. Still, it's sad.
One thing that continuously irritates me about being a SC2 fan is that everything gets decided in Korea, based on their incomprehensible "culture" (which seems to be the general excuse for any weird behaviour east of Istanbul). I am not really sure that it would be much better in today's US for that matter, but still. While I watch mostly only Korean SC2, because the games are just better, the out-of-the-game stuff there annoys me more and more.
If they are gonna continue with it, there may come a day when I will become a fan of WCS Welfare.
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There should be clemency for the BW guys at this point imo. I don't watch any of their streams or even know if any of them do stream, but if they still do, it has been a long time since their crime. Forgive and forget.
I understand that banning the new match fixers and keeping the old is inconsistent though, so what can you do.
Bummer about the whole scandal and I'm glad Kespa and all parties involved are serious about shutting it out.
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On October 22 2015 18:04 opisska wrote:
I guess we couldn't really expect anything else since KeSPA doesn't lose very often. Still, it's sad.
One thing that continuously irritates me about being a SC2 fan is that everything gets decided in Korea, based on their incomprehensible "culture" (which seems to be the general excuse for any weird behaviour east of Istanbul). I am not really sure that it would be much better in today's US for that matter, but still. While I watch mostly only Korean SC2, because the games are just better, the out-of-the-game stuff there annoys me more and more.
If they are gonna continue with it, there may come a day when I will become a fan of WCS Welfare.
Stop bringing "culture" things to this issue. Both KeSPA and Afreeca did what they can do, not crossing their line.
You shouldn’t be biased against Asians, implying wrong stereotypes that Asians are just irrational.
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Finally. It was about time they took the sound course of action. I don't even understand how they thought they could ignore the issue as if they are not part of it.
On October 22 2015 18:04 opisska wrote:
I guess we couldn't really expect anything else since KeSPA doesn't lose very often. Still, it's sad.
One thing that continuously irritates me about being a SC2 fan is that everything gets decided in Korea, based on their incomprehensible "culture" (which seems to be the general excuse for any weird behaviour east of Istanbul). I am not really sure that it would be much better in today's US for that matter, but still. While I watch mostly only Korean SC2, because the games are just better, the out-of-the-game stuff there annoys me more and more.
If they are gonna continue with it, there may come a day when I will become a fan of WCS Welfare.
What is so incomprehensible? Your company hosts game competitions, you openly allow former/current criminals to operate and earn money on your service on these games whose scene they deeply damaged. Who would publicly support that? What sponsors in their right mind would go "it's ok, I'll help them anyway"? They made a huge miscalculation and public reaction/backlash showed how wrong they are. They yielded. That's all there is to it.
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Happy to hear it. I agree with KeSPA and Korean fans 100% on this, and plus we don't need any more squabbling heading into LotV.
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I think a KeSPA threat to unallow every KeSPA player to participate to GSL may have weighted the balance a little bit on one side.
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Well that was fast. I figured it'd take Afreeca a bit longer, but apparently the rumour about kespa players pulling out of GSL was enough. Or maybe Blizzard acted like a proper company for once and actually told Afreeca to ban them. Either way these are amazing news! Given what 2010's scandal did to eSports I really don't believe that any of them deserve to ever touch the game again.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 22 2015 18:04 opisska wrote:
I guess we couldn't really expect anything else since KeSPA doesn't lose very often. Still, it's sad.
One thing that continuously irritates me about being a SC2 fan is that everything gets decided in Korea, based on their incomprehensible "culture" (which seems to be the general excuse for any weird behaviour east of Istanbul). I am not really sure that it would be much better in today's US for that matter, but still. While I watch mostly only Korean SC2, because the games are just better, the out-of-the-game stuff there annoys me more and more.
If they are gonna continue with it, there may come a day when I will become a fan of WCS Welfare.
Exactly my thoughts, well since I am watching at work it's time to stop watching S*L and Proleague for a while(when they start, obv.).
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That was quick.
On October 22 2015 16:37 Chuddinater wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 15:47 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Likely this was some sort of move pushed by someone outside Afreeca, considering the odd change of position
Korean fans reaction to Afreeca refusing to ban match fixers was pretty intense. TL users didn't see the backlash the Korean community had against Afreeca and when your customers riot against you a company will change their stance pretty quickly.
I witnessed the reactions to a bullying case in K-pop group T-ARA. Intense indeed (completely ridiculous)
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On October 22 2015 18:34 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 18:04 opisska wrote:
I guess we couldn't really expect anything else since KeSPA doesn't lose very often. Still, it's sad.
One thing that continuously irritates me about being a SC2 fan is that everything gets decided in Korea, based on their incomprehensible "culture" (which seems to be the general excuse for any weird behaviour east of Istanbul). I am not really sure that it would be much better in today's US for that matter, but still. While I watch mostly only Korean SC2, because the games are just better, the out-of-the-game stuff there annoys me more and more.
If they are gonna continue with it, there may come a day when I will become a fan of WCS Welfare. Exactly my thoughts, well since I am watching at work it's time to stop watching S*L and Proleague for a while(when they start, obv.).
why? do you want the company thats hosting GSL to allow matchfixers to stream on their site? meanwhile theyre banning people for using alternative streaming websites... Dont get any ideas about afreeca being this super liberal "everyone get to do whatever they want" streaming platform. Because they arent, and they never were.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 22 2015 18:37 NEEDZMOAR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 18:34 deacon.frost wrote:On October 22 2015 18:04 opisska wrote:
I guess we couldn't really expect anything else since KeSPA doesn't lose very often. Still, it's sad.
One thing that continuously irritates me about being a SC2 fan is that everything gets decided in Korea, based on their incomprehensible "culture" (which seems to be the general excuse for any weird behaviour east of Istanbul). I am not really sure that it would be much better in today's US for that matter, but still. While I watch mostly only Korean SC2, because the games are just better, the out-of-the-game stuff there annoys me more and more.
If they are gonna continue with it, there may come a day when I will become a fan of WCS Welfare. Exactly my thoughts, well since I am watching at work it's time to stop watching S*L and Proleague for a while(when they start, obv.). why? do you want the company thats hosting GSL to allow matchfixers to stream on their site? meanwhile theyre banning people for using alternative streaming websites... Dont get any ideas about afreeca being this super liberal "everyone get to do whatever they want" streaming platform. Because they arent, and they never were.
I am risking my job by having broadcast on my background and I won't do it for KeSPA anymore. Reasons are all over these threads, search for them.
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