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On October 22 2015 17:17 kchany2 wrote:
Most Korean esports fans were outrageous on afreeca's decision to let match fixers keep streaming on SC.
And the opinion was led by casters, ex-progamers, journalists. Even the current progamers were showing their fury by trying to boycott GSL.
Well, we Korean fans had a victory over afreeca this time. I'm sure afreeca underestimated what would happen if they refused, they made the right decision now, but too late. Their name is already tilted now. They should have accepted in the first place.
Are there any Korean fans who recognize the hand of KeSPA in this? Would there have been such an uproar if KeSPA never made the public request?
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Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing.
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Great, best way to solve this matter.
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On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing.
Afreeca is not the venue for match fixers to relax and have a gay old time with their fans. Not now that it's responsible for the competitive integrity of the most competitive league in SC2.
There's always Youtube!
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On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing.
People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated.
Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused.
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On October 22 2015 18:04 opisska wrote:
One thing that continuously irritates me about being a SC2 fan is that everything gets decided in Korea, based on their incomprehensible "culture" (which seems to be the general excuse for any weird behaviour east of Istanbul)
Yeah, as a Korean I've never ever encountered any weird 'cultural' happenings in the west. [/SARCASM]
This has very little to do with culture and very much to do with corporate business.
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On October 22 2015 19:16 nachtkap wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing. People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated. Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused.
Exactly this. They're free to do what they want, hell, let them play the damn game if they paid for it, but don't let them make money from it ever again.
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Poland3753 Posts
On October 22 2015 19:26 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 19:16 nachtkap wrote:On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing. People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated. Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused. Exactly this. They're free to do what they want, hell, let them play the damn game if they paid for it, but don't let them make money from it ever again.
Streaming and progaming is not the same thing. I think banning them from streaming platforms is just going overboard with social justice.
I wonder if they could challenge this in court
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On October 22 2015 19:29 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 19:26 Elentos wrote:On October 22 2015 19:16 nachtkap wrote:On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing. People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated. Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused. Exactly this. They're free to do what they want, hell, let them play the damn game if they paid for it, but don't let them make money from it ever again. Streaming and progaming is not the same thing. I think banning them from streaming platforms is just going overboard with social justice. I wonder if they could challenge this in court
I don't know about the laws of South Korea, but I think in most European country it could be challenged, since it would be basically discrimination, right? (the reason they're banned is because they have a specific criminal record)
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50749 Posts
On October 22 2015 19:29 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 19:26 Elentos wrote:On October 22 2015 19:16 nachtkap wrote:On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing. People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated. Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused. Exactly this. They're free to do what they want, hell, let them play the damn game if they paid for it, but don't let them make money from it ever again. Streaming and progaming is not the same thing. I think banning them from streaming platforms is just going overboard with social justice. I wonder if they could challenge this in court
highly unlikely that anyone would go to court over this, honestly if they really wanted to stream that badly they could just go over to KOO and Longzhu because china don't give a fuck, considering how much they loved inviting savior to their tournaments.
also they are still allowed to stream everything but Starcraft and LoL.
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On October 22 2015 19:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 19:29 nimdil wrote:On October 22 2015 19:26 Elentos wrote:On October 22 2015 19:16 nachtkap wrote:On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing. People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated. Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused. Exactly this. They're free to do what they want, hell, let them play the damn game if they paid for it, but don't let them make money from it ever again. Streaming and progaming is not the same thing. I think banning them from streaming platforms is just going overboard with social justice. I wonder if they could challenge this in court highly unlikely that anyone would go to court over this, honestly if they really wanted to stream that badly they could just go over to KOO and Longzhu because china don't give a fuck, considering how much they loved inviting savior to their tournaments. also they are still allowed to stream everything but Starcraft and LoL.
If someone would challange this infront of a court, he would win.
And yeah, but they stream SC Broodwar, a game kespa has given up...
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On October 22 2015 19:42 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 19:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 22 2015 19:29 nimdil wrote:On October 22 2015 19:26 Elentos wrote:On October 22 2015 19:16 nachtkap wrote:On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing. People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated. Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused. Exactly this. They're free to do what they want, hell, let them play the damn game if they paid for it, but don't let them make money from it ever again. Streaming and progaming is not the same thing. I think banning them from streaming platforms is just going overboard with social justice. I wonder if they could challenge this in court highly unlikely that anyone would go to court over this, honestly if they really wanted to stream that badly they could just go over to KOO and Longzhu because china don't give a fuck, considering how much they loved inviting savior to their tournaments. also they are still allowed to stream everything but Starcraft and LoL. If someone would challange this infront of a court, he would win. And yeah, but they stream SC Broodwar, a game kespa has given up...
I'm pretty sure every business is allowed to choose its own customers, even without giving a reason.
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On October 22 2015 19:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 19:42 Clonester wrote:On October 22 2015 19:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 22 2015 19:29 nimdil wrote:On October 22 2015 19:26 Elentos wrote:On October 22 2015 19:16 nachtkap wrote:On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing. People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated. Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused. Exactly this. They're free to do what they want, hell, let them play the damn game if they paid for it, but don't let them make money from it ever again. Streaming and progaming is not the same thing. I think banning them from streaming platforms is just going overboard with social justice. I wonder if they could challenge this in court highly unlikely that anyone would go to court over this, honestly if they really wanted to stream that badly they could just go over to KOO and Longzhu because china don't give a fuck, considering how much they loved inviting savior to their tournaments. also they are still allowed to stream everything but Starcraft and LoL. If someone would challange this infront of a court, he would win. And yeah, but they stream SC Broodwar, a game kespa has given up... I'm pretty sure every business is allowed to choose its own customers, even without giving a reason.
You get the problem, when you give a reason. And they give a reason "5 year ago matchfix." And thats will definitly hurt you.
Also he is not just a customer, as he makes Afreeca earn money as also earn money from Afreeca, he is more kind of buisnespartner.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50749 Posts
On October 22 2015 19:42 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 19:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 22 2015 19:29 nimdil wrote:On October 22 2015 19:26 Elentos wrote:On October 22 2015 19:16 nachtkap wrote:On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing. People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated. Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused. Exactly this. They're free to do what they want, hell, let them play the damn game if they paid for it, but don't let them make money from it ever again. Streaming and progaming is not the same thing. I think banning them from streaming platforms is just going overboard with social justice. I wonder if they could challenge this in court highly unlikely that anyone would go to court over this, honestly if they really wanted to stream that badly they could just go over to KOO and Longzhu because china don't give a fuck, considering how much they loved inviting savior to their tournaments. also they are still allowed to stream everything but Starcraft and LoL. If someone would challange this infront of a court, he would win. And yeah, but they stream SC Broodwar, a game kespa has given up...
yeah they most likely will win, still think they won't do it though.
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On October 22 2015 19:52 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 19:47 Elentos wrote:On October 22 2015 19:42 Clonester wrote:On October 22 2015 19:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 22 2015 19:29 nimdil wrote:On October 22 2015 19:26 Elentos wrote:On October 22 2015 19:16 nachtkap wrote:On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing. People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated. Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused. Exactly this. They're free to do what they want, hell, let them play the damn game if they paid for it, but don't let them make money from it ever again. Streaming and progaming is not the same thing. I think banning them from streaming platforms is just going overboard with social justice. I wonder if they could challenge this in court highly unlikely that anyone would go to court over this, honestly if they really wanted to stream that badly they could just go over to KOO and Longzhu because china don't give a fuck, considering how much they loved inviting savior to their tournaments. also they are still allowed to stream everything but Starcraft and LoL. If someone would challange this infront of a court, he would win. And yeah, but they stream SC Broodwar, a game kespa has given up... I'm pretty sure every business is allowed to choose its own customers, even without giving a reason. You get the problem, when you give a reason. And they give a reason "5 year ago matchfix." And thats will definitly hurt you. Also he is not just a customer, as he makes Afreeca earn money as also earn money from Afreeca, he is more kind of buisnespartner.
They can also freely choose their own business partners.
On October 22 2015 19:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:
also they are still allowed to stream everything but Starcraft and LoL.
This is fine, I don't care if they stream their eating habits on Afreeca.
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Thank you, Afreeca!
There is no place for match fixers in the Starcraft scene.
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Lel, they can just go on YT...
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On October 22 2015 19:52 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 19:47 Elentos wrote:On October 22 2015 19:42 Clonester wrote:On October 22 2015 19:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On October 22 2015 19:29 nimdil wrote:On October 22 2015 19:26 Elentos wrote:On October 22 2015 19:16 nachtkap wrote:On October 22 2015 18:52 DwD wrote:
Not a fan of this at all. People who have already been fined/banned/ostracized for matchfixing already had their punishment and dealt with it. People must be allowed to move on with their lives after a mistake. They aren't even streaming professional games but rather just playing for fun, which their fans appreciate a lot.
Afreeca caved to the pressure, very disappointing. People having a transgression (before the law) in a certain field precludes them from working in that field (for a loooong time). There are numerous examples for this in all industrialized nations. You arent allowed to make laws if you have a felony record, you arent allowed to practice law if u have been disbarred for misconduct or abuse of the legal system, you arent allowed to prescribe controlled substances (drugs) if you have been in conflict with laws covering them. Even traditional sports preclude you from earning money with your sport if you were found to have cheated. Nobody is saying that match fixers shouldnt be able to move on after being punished. They just shouldnt be able to make a living with the thing they abused. Exactly this. They're free to do what they want, hell, let them play the damn game if they paid for it, but don't let them make money from it ever again. Streaming and progaming is not the same thing. I think banning them from streaming platforms is just going overboard with social justice. I wonder if they could challenge this in court highly unlikely that anyone would go to court over this, honestly if they really wanted to stream that badly they could just go over to KOO and Longzhu because china don't give a fuck, considering how much they loved inviting savior to their tournaments. also they are still allowed to stream everything but Starcraft and LoL. If someone would challange this infront of a court, he would win. And yeah, but they stream SC Broodwar, a game kespa has given up... I'm pretty sure every business is allowed to choose its own customers, even without giving a reason. You get the problem, when you give a reason. And they give a reason "5 year ago matchfix." And thats will definitly hurt you. Also he is not just a customer, as he makes Afreeca earn money as also earn money from Afreeca, he is more kind of buisnespartner.
I'm pretty sure that the potential costumer being a criminal, in particular a criminal in a field related to yours, is a valid reason that no court is going to deny you. At least in most European countries.
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This is getting way out of hand....soon Kespa dont want them to go to their local corner store to get milk because a progamer is also going to there....like wtf
How it works for people who commits a crime (not all of them)
You commit a crime, you get caught, you go to jail, you payed for your crime, life goes on.
How Kespa wants it to be
You commit a crime, you get caught, you go to jail, you payed for your crime, we will destroy your life.
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Hahaha :D money makes the world go round!!!
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