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On October 21 2015 21:09 ThePacifist wrote:
But the problem is the other normal players can be effected on it. Some younger players or players in slump have more possibilities to do. Seed said he just made only about 10,000,000 won(=$10000) during 14-15 seasons and of course, there must be the other players in monetary problem.
Where you read that? Because this was considered to be a Korean->English translation error and he actually said instead, that he made 10k during the 2014/2015 season. (so 10k in one season, not in 15 seasons) But then again you are Korean so you shouldnt suffer from that mistake. Or you are just using 3rd hand sources.
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On October 21 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
The idea that you can become popular through gaming and then throw matches and still use that same popularity and fanbase to continue to earn money does not set a good precedent, as it basically mitigates a lot of the risk of throwing matches. In order to properly motivate people to make the right life decisions getting caught for throwing matches should put people in a lot worse of a situation than never throwing them at all. If these two widely different decisions are too close to each other in value there isn't enough deterrence. I'm really sorry but streaming Afreeca has everything to do with using the popularity gained as a progamer and nothing to do with doing groceries.
So we should ban these people from ANYTHING which is easier to do when having a fanbase.
Like anything which is in the public eye, "nope sorry you matchfixed in the past, you aren't allowed to write a book an publish it!"
Ridiculous
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To me the solution is simple. Just don't watch or support their stream and they will have to move on to other ventures.
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On October 21 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
The idea that you can become popular through gaming and then throw matches and still use that same popularity and fanbase to continue to earn money does not set a good precedent, as it basically mitigates a lot of the risk of throwing matches. In order to properly motivate people to make the right life decisions getting caught for throwing matches should put people in a lot worse of a situation than never throwing them at all. If these two widely different decisions are too close to each other in value there isn't enough deterrence. I'm really sorry but streaming Afreeca has everything to do with using the popularity gained as a progamer and nothing to do with doing groceries.
There's a whole world outside of StarCraft to consider. On what basis can one deny formerly convicted criminals to use products or services they abused in the past?
In this case there isn't any legal basis I presume. Only Afreeca can ban these former offenders. They are not doing this because they say they feel they shouldn't give out extra punishment on top of what they already got. One can agree or not but it is, and should be, only their prerogative.
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On October 21 2015 21:22 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 21:09 ThePacifist wrote:
But the problem is the other normal players can be effected on it. Some younger players or players in slump have more possibilities to do. Seed said he just made only about 10,000,000 won(=$10000) during 14-15 seasons and of course, there must be the other players in monetary problem.
Where you read that? Because this was considered to be a Korean->English translation error and he actually said instead, that he made 10k during the 2014/2015 season. (so 10k in one season, not in 15 seasons) But then again you are Korean so you shouldnt suffer from that mistake. Or you are just using 3rd hand sources.
I saw his twitter here
Original : 이왕에 확실하게 조사해서 다 잡아갔으면 좋겠다. 성실한 게이머들이 피해 더이상 피해 안 봤으면 좋겠다. 나는 14년 15년 총 수입이 1000정도밖에 안되지만 조작같은 생각은 단 한번도 해 본적이 없다... 솔직히 이해가 안된다...
Translation : I hope the prosecutor fully investigate it and catch all of them. And i hope no more innocent players get hurt on it. I totally earned 10,000,000(he wrote shortly in this twt with skipping write '만') in 2014 and 2015 but i never thought about match-fixing. I don't understand.
This is where i quoted. I'm sorry if i made mistake.
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On October 21 2015 21:46 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 21:36 ThePacifist wrote:On October 21 2015 21:09 ThePacifist wrote:
But the problem is the other normal players can be effected on it. Some younger players or players in slump have more possibilities to do. Seed said he just made only about 10,000,000 won(=$10000) during 14-15 seasons and of course, there must be the other players in monetary problem.
Where you read that? Because this was considered to be a Korean->English translation error and he actually said instead, that he made 10k during the 2014/2015 season. (so 10k in one season, not in 15 seasons) But then again you are Korean so you shouldnt suffer from that mistake. Or you are just using 3rd hand sources. I saw his twitter hereOriginal : 이왕에 확실하게 조사해서 다 잡아갔으면 좋겠다. 성실한 게이머들이 피해 더이상 피해 안 봤으면 좋겠다. 나는 14년 15년 총 수입이 1000정도밖에 안되지만 조작같은 생각은 단 한번도 해 본적이 없다... 솔직히 이해가 안된다... Translation : I hope the prosecutor fully investigate it and catch all of them. And i hope no more innocent players get hurt on it. I totally earned 10,000,000(he wrote shortly in this twt with skipping write '만') in 2014 and 2015 but i never thought about match-fixing. I don't understand. This is where i quoted. I'm sorry if i made mistake. When you write "made 10k in 14-15 seasons" it reads as he made 10k USD in 14 or 15 seasons. So a timespan of many years. But what he wrote was, that in one season he made that money  This is the same translation mistake that happened first on TL (to Seeker, I believe). Big difference.
Oh, i wasn't careful about that, Thank you for the advice 
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On October 21 2015 21:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
The idea that you can become popular through gaming and then throw matches and still use that same popularity and fanbase to continue to earn money does not set a good precedent, as it basically mitigates a lot of the risk of throwing matches. In order to properly motivate people to make the right life decisions getting caught for throwing matches should put people in a lot worse of a situation than never throwing them at all. If these two widely different decisions are too close to each other in value there isn't enough deterrence. I'm really sorry but streaming Afreeca has everything to do with using the popularity gained as a progamer and nothing to do with doing groceries. So we should ban these people from ANYTHING which is easier to do when having a fanbase. Like anything which is in the public eye, "nope sorry you matchfixed in the past, you aren't allowed to write a book an publish it!" Ridiculous
That's of course not the case and not realistic. But at leasting banning them from the related space, in this case the esports and streaming sector, should be the minimum.
Should they just be banned from GSL and that's it? That would be ridiculous and show any lower level GSL player or Proleague player, that risking match fixing is worth it. They won't be in a much worse position in case they get caught anyway. If anything the drama around them could make them more famous and increase their stream viewership. Providing a medium for matchfixers, to keep making a living of the scene, that they spit on and damaged, is wrong.
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On October 21 2015 21:36 ThePacifist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 21:09 ThePacifist wrote:
But the problem is the other normal players can be effected on it. Some younger players or players in slump have more possibilities to do. Seed said he just made only about 10,000,000 won(=$10000) during 14-15 seasons and of course, there must be the other players in monetary problem.
Where you read that? Because this was considered to be a Korean->English translation error and he actually said instead, that he made 10k during the 2014/2015 season. (so 10k in one season, not in 15 seasons) But then again you are Korean so you shouldnt suffer from that mistake. Or you are just using 3rd hand sources. I saw his twitter hereOriginal : 이왕에 확실하게 조사해서 다 잡아갔으면 좋겠다. 성실한 게이머들이 피해 더이상 피해 안 봤으면 좋겠다. 나는 14년 15년 총 수입이 1000정도밖에 안되지만 조작같은 생각은 단 한번도 해 본적이 없다... 솔직히 이해가 안된다... Translation : I hope the prosecutor fully investigate it and catch all of them. And i hope no more innocent players get hurt on it. I totally earned 10,000,000(he wrote shortly in this twt with skipping write '만') in 2014 and 2015 but i never thought about match-fixing. I don't understand. This is where i quoted. I'm sorry if i made mistake.
When you write "made 10k in 14-15 seasons" it reads as he made 10k USD in 14 or 15 seasons. So a timespan of many years. But what he wrote was, that in one season he made that money This is the same translation mistake that happened first on TL (to Seeker, I believe).
Big difference.
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On October 21 2015 21:37 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 21:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 21 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
The idea that you can become popular through gaming and then throw matches and still use that same popularity and fanbase to continue to earn money does not set a good precedent, as it basically mitigates a lot of the risk of throwing matches. In order to properly motivate people to make the right life decisions getting caught for throwing matches should put people in a lot worse of a situation than never throwing them at all. If these two widely different decisions are too close to each other in value there isn't enough deterrence. I'm really sorry but streaming Afreeca has everything to do with using the popularity gained as a progamer and nothing to do with doing groceries. So we should ban these people from ANYTHING which is easier to do when having a fanbase. Like anything which is in the public eye, "nope sorry you matchfixed in the past, you aren't allowed to write a book an publish it!" Ridiculous That's of course not the case and not realistic. But at leasting banning them from the related space, in this case the esports and streaming sector, should be the minimum. Should they just be banned from GSL and that's it? That would be ridiculous and show any lower level GSL player or Proleague player, that risking match fixing is worth it. They won't be in a much worse position in case they get caught anyway. If anything the drama around them could make them more famous and increase their stream viewership. Providing a medium for matchfixers, to keep making a living of the scene, that they spit on and damaged, is wrong.
Banning them from the whole esports and streaming sector? Really? Why? They will be banned from playing competitive StarCraft II. That's what they deserve for having matchfixed StarCraft II matches. Why shouldn't they be allowed to play LoL or DotA or CSGO if they want to? Why shouldn't they be allowed to stream things?
I have the feeling that there's this conception that many people share that because they matchfixed, they are somehow evil persons that were born evil. That's just ridiculous. The decision they took to matchfix was specific to a context and a state of mind, and the very vast majority of people who are shaming them right now would have done just like them in the same situation.
And the argument that preventing them from streaming and shit is here to discourage people from matchfixing is ridiculous. These people are going to jail. To JAIL. They'll be judged in front of a court. They'll receive hate from the community. They'll most likely receive hatemail, mockery, threats, maybe even deaththreats. Can you imagine how psychologically affecting this is?
Do you think the guy who matchfixes thinks about all that when he does it?
Do you think the guy who matchfixes will be discouraged when he knows he won't be allowed to stream if he gets caught, considering he did it while knowing he risked prison, hate, psychological trauma?
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That would be ridiculous and show any lower level GSL player or Proleague player, that risking match fixing is worth it.
It is worth it because the esports environment in korea is fucking ridiculous. Say you are a "lower lvl gsl player", you train every single day countless hours and probably don't make ANY salary. You make very poor money in tournaments because the prize pool is stupidly top heavy. You basically would get more money by working a low end job elsewhere.
At the same time you help your teammates (the 'good ones') to make one trophy after another.
I wonder why these guys would be easy targets for illegal gambling, hmmmmm.
If the scene cannot sustain salaried players, then it probably isn't a worthwhile scene to begin with. It's pretty simple actually, the players don't have enough rights and this is the main problem here. (from the esport side of things, the gambling side is another topic entirely)
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I really think people are too much attach to the second chance thing. I'm kinda tired of this. Do a mistake, pay the price. It's not like we gonna kill them on public place. You want to screw up the game? Well you get punish for this. As much as I loved Yoda, I really think he shouldnt be allowed to do anything which is related to starcraft anymore. Not saying EVERY game, if he streams dota, lol or cs go no problem for me. But when you screw up with somehting you love you will lost it. It's a damn lesson thats will make grow. It will not kill you.
So not allowing them to stream AT ALL is not fair. But not allowing them to stream starcraft is needed! You can't mess up that bad and dont have a REAL punishment.
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On October 21 2015 22:03 SinO[Ob] wrote:
I really think people are too much attach to the second chance thing. I'm kinda tired of this. Do a mistake, pay the price. It's not like we gonna kill them on public place. You want to screw up the game? Well you get punish for this. As much as I loved Yoda, I really think he shouldnt be allowed to do anything which is related to starcraft anymore. Not saying EVERY game, if he streams dota, lol or cs go no problem for me. But when you screw up with somehting you love you will lost it. It's a damn lesson thats will make grow. It will not kill you.
So not allowing them to stream AT ALL is not fair. But not allowing them to stream starcraft is needed! You can't mess up that bad and dont have a REAL punishment.
Aren't they getting a real punishment by the law already?
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On October 21 2015 22:08 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 22:03 SinO[Ob] wrote:
I really think people are too much attach to the second chance thing. I'm kinda tired of this. Do a mistake, pay the price. It's not like we gonna kill them on public place. You want to screw up the game? Well you get punish for this. As much as I loved Yoda, I really think he shouldnt be allowed to do anything which is related to starcraft anymore. Not saying EVERY game, if he streams dota, lol or cs go no problem for me. But when you screw up with somehting you love you will lost it. It's a damn lesson thats will make grow. It will not kill you.
So not allowing them to stream AT ALL is not fair. But not allowing them to stream starcraft is needed! You can't mess up that bad and dont have a REAL punishment. Aren't they getting a real punishment by the law already?
For me the real punishment do not comes with money involved. It comes with you cant do what you love anymore. It will be way more frustrating, at least for me. I'm pretty sure SC2 is something they love even with matchfixing stories. So yea they are punish by the law, but Imo, they need to understand that you cant screw up that bad and come again on the game.
You want to play risky, you get caught, you lost it. It a lesson that money can't give.
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On October 21 2015 22:12 SinO[Ob] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 22:08 mderg wrote:On October 21 2015 22:03 SinO[Ob] wrote:
I really think people are too much attach to the second chance thing. I'm kinda tired of this. Do a mistake, pay the price. It's not like we gonna kill them on public place. You want to screw up the game? Well you get punish for this. As much as I loved Yoda, I really think he shouldnt be allowed to do anything which is related to starcraft anymore. Not saying EVERY game, if he streams dota, lol or cs go no problem for me. But when you screw up with somehting you love you will lost it. It's a damn lesson thats will make grow. It will not kill you.
So not allowing them to stream AT ALL is not fair. But not allowing them to stream starcraft is needed! You can't mess up that bad and dont have a REAL punishment. Aren't they getting a real punishment by the law already? For me the real punishment do not comes with money involved. It comes with you cant do what you love anymore. It will be way more frustrating, at least for me. I'm pretty sure SC2 is something they love even with matchfixing stories. So yea they are punish by the law, bur Imo, they need to understand that you cant screw up that bad and come again on the game. You want to play risky, you get caught, you lost it. It a lesson that money can give.
Sry quote instead of edit again :'( Delete it please, TL sama.
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On October 21 2015 22:12 SinO[Ob] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 22:08 mderg wrote:On October 21 2015 22:03 SinO[Ob] wrote:
I really think people are too much attach to the second chance thing. I'm kinda tired of this. Do a mistake, pay the price. It's not like we gonna kill them on public place. You want to screw up the game? Well you get punish for this. As much as I loved Yoda, I really think he shouldnt be allowed to do anything which is related to starcraft anymore. Not saying EVERY game, if he streams dota, lol or cs go no problem for me. But when you screw up with somehting you love you will lost it. It's a damn lesson thats will make grow. It will not kill you.
So not allowing them to stream AT ALL is not fair. But not allowing them to stream starcraft is needed! You can't mess up that bad and dont have a REAL punishment. Aren't they getting a real punishment by the law already? For me the real punishment do not comes with money involved. It comes with you cant do what you love anymore. It will be way more frustrating, at least for me. I'm pretty sure SC2 is something they love even with matchfixing stories. So yea they are punish by the law, bur Imo, they need to understand that you cant screw up that bad and come again on the game. You want to play risky, you get caught, you lost it. It a lesson that money can't give.
But they can't come back to the game? They lost their progamer license and won't get it back. You want to prevent them from playing the game for fun, for themselves?
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On October 21 2015 21:36 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
The idea that you can become popular through gaming and then throw matches and still use that same popularity and fanbase to continue to earn money does not set a good precedent, as it basically mitigates a lot of the risk of throwing matches. In order to properly motivate people to make the right life decisions getting caught for throwing matches should put people in a lot worse of a situation than never throwing them at all. If these two widely different decisions are too close to each other in value there isn't enough deterrence. I'm really sorry but streaming Afreeca has everything to do with using the popularity gained as a progamer and nothing to do with doing groceries. There's a whole world outside of StarCraft to consider. On what basis can one deny formerly convicted criminals to use products or services they abused in the past? In this case there isn't any legal basis I presume. Only Afreeca can ban these former offenders. They are not doing this because they say they feel they shouldn't give out extra punishment on top of what they already got. One can agree or not but it is, and should be, only their prerogative.
Right it is up to Afreeca to decide whether they want to comply with a sports associations request and figure out whether they want to fall within the sports confines or outside of it. However make no mistake the law is one thing, but sports federations oftentimes, and rightfully so, have their own regulation that trumps it. In this case KeSPA is hoping that Afreeca feels they are part of the sports ecosystem instead of outside of it. Afreeca is in their full right to decline this, but IMO it would be nice if they had complied, as I do think streaming services are a huge part of the esports ecosystem.
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On October 21 2015 22:14 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 22:12 SinO[Ob] wrote:On October 21 2015 22:08 mderg wrote:On October 21 2015 22:03 SinO[Ob] wrote:
I really think people are too much attach to the second chance thing. I'm kinda tired of this. Do a mistake, pay the price. It's not like we gonna kill them on public place. You want to screw up the game? Well you get punish for this. As much as I loved Yoda, I really think he shouldnt be allowed to do anything which is related to starcraft anymore. Not saying EVERY game, if he streams dota, lol or cs go no problem for me. But when you screw up with somehting you love you will lost it. It's a damn lesson thats will make grow. It will not kill you.
So not allowing them to stream AT ALL is not fair. But not allowing them to stream starcraft is needed! You can't mess up that bad and dont have a REAL punishment. Aren't they getting a real punishment by the law already? For me the real punishment do not comes with money involved. It comes with you cant do what you love anymore. It will be way more frustrating, at least for me. I'm pretty sure SC2 is something they love even with matchfixing stories. So yea they are punish by the law, bur Imo, they need to understand that you cant screw up that bad and come again on the game. You want to play risky, you get caught, you lost it. It a lesson that money can't give. But they can't come back to the game? They lost their progamer license and won't get it back. You want to prevent them from playing the game for fun, for themselves?
I thnk you misunderstood my point. If they want to play SC2 let them do it. But if they want to stream well, it will not be possible.
If they really want to play for fun or themsleves streaming is not needed.
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On October 21 2015 22:16 SinO[Ob] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 22:14 OtherWorld wrote:On October 21 2015 22:12 SinO[Ob] wrote:On October 21 2015 22:08 mderg wrote:On October 21 2015 22:03 SinO[Ob] wrote:
I really think people are too much attach to the second chance thing. I'm kinda tired of this. Do a mistake, pay the price. It's not like we gonna kill them on public place. You want to screw up the game? Well you get punish for this. As much as I loved Yoda, I really think he shouldnt be allowed to do anything which is related to starcraft anymore. Not saying EVERY game, if he streams dota, lol or cs go no problem for me. But when you screw up with somehting you love you will lost it. It's a damn lesson thats will make grow. It will not kill you.
So not allowing them to stream AT ALL is not fair. But not allowing them to stream starcraft is needed! You can't mess up that bad and dont have a REAL punishment. Aren't they getting a real punishment by the law already? For me the real punishment do not comes with money involved. It comes with you cant do what you love anymore. It will be way more frustrating, at least for me. I'm pretty sure SC2 is something they love even with matchfixing stories. So yea they are punish by the law, bur Imo, they need to understand that you cant screw up that bad and come again on the game. You want to play risky, you get caught, you lost it. It a lesson that money can't give. But they can't come back to the game? They lost their progamer license and won't get it back. You want to prevent them from playing the game for fun, for themselves? I thnk you misunderstood my point. If they want to play SC2 let them do it. But if they want to stream well, it will not be possible. If they really want to play for fun or themsleves streaming is not needed.
Hmm ok I get it. Though I don't how you can practically prevent them from streaming SC2 but not another game. And preventing them from using streaming platforms prevents them from streaming any game.
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On October 21 2015 22:16 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 21:36 Penev wrote:On October 21 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
The idea that you can become popular through gaming and then throw matches and still use that same popularity and fanbase to continue to earn money does not set a good precedent, as it basically mitigates a lot of the risk of throwing matches. In order to properly motivate people to make the right life decisions getting caught for throwing matches should put people in a lot worse of a situation than never throwing them at all. If these two widely different decisions are too close to each other in value there isn't enough deterrence. I'm really sorry but streaming Afreeca has everything to do with using the popularity gained as a progamer and nothing to do with doing groceries. There's a whole world outside of StarCraft to consider. On what basis can one deny formerly convicted criminals to use products or services they abused in the past? In this case there isn't any legal basis I presume. Only Afreeca can ban these former offenders. They are not doing this because they say they feel they shouldn't give out extra punishment on top of what they already got. One can agree or not but it is, and should be, only their prerogative. Right it is up to Afreeca to decide whether they want to comply with a sports associations request and figure out whether they want to fall within the sports confines or outside of it. However make no mistake the law is one thing, but sports federations oftentimes, and rightfully so, have their own regulation that trumps it. In this case KeSPA is hoping that Afreeca feels they are part of the sports ecosystem instead of outside of it. Afreeca is in their full right to decline this, but IMO it would be nice if they had complied, as I do think streaming services are a huge part of the esports ecosystem.
Though I think it would be better if the community agreed on not watching them so they have no revenue from their streams(I mean matchfixers, not Afreeca ) than doing this.
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On October 21 2015 22:16 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 21:36 Penev wrote:On October 21 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
The idea that you can become popular through gaming and then throw matches and still use that same popularity and fanbase to continue to earn money does not set a good precedent, as it basically mitigates a lot of the risk of throwing matches. In order to properly motivate people to make the right life decisions getting caught for throwing matches should put people in a lot worse of a situation than never throwing them at all. If these two widely different decisions are too close to each other in value there isn't enough deterrence. I'm really sorry but streaming Afreeca has everything to do with using the popularity gained as a progamer and nothing to do with doing groceries. There's a whole world outside of StarCraft to consider. On what basis can one deny formerly convicted criminals to use products or services they abused in the past? In this case there isn't any legal basis I presume. Only Afreeca can ban these former offenders. They are not doing this because they say they feel they shouldn't give out extra punishment on top of what they already got. One can agree or not but it is, and should be, only their prerogative. Right it is up to Afreeca to decide whether they want to comply with a sports associations request and figure out whether they want to fall within the sports confines or outside of it. However make no mistake the law is one thing, but sports federations oftentimes, and rightfully so, have their own regulation that trumps it. In this case KeSPA is hoping that Afreeca feels they are part of the sports ecosystem instead of outside of it. Afreeca is in their full right to decline this, but IMO it would be nice if they had complied, as I do think streaming services are a huge part of the esports ecosystem.
Fair enough. Personally I find it troublesome though, to ban people for doing something they previously were allowed to. Because others recently committed the same crime they did in another game. Doesn't feel right to me.
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On October 21 2015 22:19 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2015 22:16 SinO[Ob] wrote:On October 21 2015 22:14 OtherWorld wrote:On October 21 2015 22:12 SinO[Ob] wrote:On October 21 2015 22:08 mderg wrote:On October 21 2015 22:03 SinO[Ob] wrote:
I really think people are too much attach to the second chance thing. I'm kinda tired of this. Do a mistake, pay the price. It's not like we gonna kill them on public place. You want to screw up the game? Well you get punish for this. As much as I loved Yoda, I really think he shouldnt be allowed to do anything which is related to starcraft anymore. Not saying EVERY game, if he streams dota, lol or cs go no problem for me. But when you screw up with somehting you love you will lost it. It's a damn lesson thats will make grow. It will not kill you.
So not allowing them to stream AT ALL is not fair. But not allowing them to stream starcraft is needed! You can't mess up that bad and dont have a REAL punishment. Aren't they getting a real punishment by the law already? For me the real punishment do not comes with money involved. It comes with you cant do what you love anymore. It will be way more frustrating, at least for me. I'm pretty sure SC2 is something they love even with matchfixing stories. So yea they are punish by the law, bur Imo, they need to understand that you cant screw up that bad and come again on the game. You want to play risky, you get caught, you lost it. It a lesson that money can't give. But they can't come back to the game? They lost their progamer license and won't get it back. You want to prevent them from playing the game for fun, for themselves? I thnk you misunderstood my point. If they want to play SC2 let them do it. But if they want to stream well, it will not be possible. If they really want to play for fun or themsleves streaming is not needed. Hmm ok I get it. Though I don't how you can practically prevent them from streaming SC2 but not another game. And preventing them from using streaming platforms prevents them from streaming any game.
Yep it can be hard to do, I agree with you. Don't know if it's even possible. But I really hope there will be something like this appearing.
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