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DCStarcraftGall
Profile Joined October 2015
102 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 22:47:35
October 21 2015 01:12 GMT
#1
Basically Everything SGall has to offer on this issue. So, just translating thanks for reading in advance! Encourage you to read through the Inven article, because no TLDR, and there is TLDR at bottom for article 2(Daily Esports)
- 눈부신이메리칸
http://gall.dcinside.com/board/lists/?id=starcraft_new

+) Hearing that my post is biased. I just translated the article the way it was on Daily E-Sports. Also, it is definitely true that much of the Korean fandom hates matchfixers. If there is any of my opinion inside this post, it is probably because the news was basically summarizing mine.

New Article (translated October 22 6:27 AM as of KST)
http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=145068 (inven webzine written by former prime member Classic) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Classic_(Kim_Hong_Jae)

Prime and Passion, Matchfixing and a Second Scar


A dark office, a "friend of a friend" introduced by a "friend", expensive wine bottles that are mystical to players that are in their early - mid 20s, and a speaker to wheedle them over. The stage is set, and only the actual event is left. Most brokers start their act over the SNS.

Usually, most progamers do not reply to shady SNS messages, but its a different story offline. When progamers who have spent the "good times" on gaming see people they know, the expensive booze and people who ooze out luxury, their caution is blown away by the party.

The real "job" happens when the party's at its peak and booze starts messing with the head. The brokers begin to show off their riches. They are all things a person in his 20s have dreamed of like expensive watches, luxurious cars, combined with boasts of how much they earn each month.

The job is already halfway successful if the gamers show interest in the material. They start to incorporate matchfixing officially now to bribe the gamers. Offers are usually constituted by assurance that they will receive more than annual salary with just one or two fixed games, and they will continue to work with them even if the scandal pops. Of course, all this is a big lie, and if the players are sold, they have just crossed a river impossible to return.

I have lived with the Prime team from 2011 to 2013. The dream of being a SCBW progamer that I had no courage to follow persisted after military and despite my age, I jumped into the SC2 scene with passion alone. Those years were the most financially difficult, but they were also my best years because I lived with friends who shared my dreams and passion, aiming for the same spot.

Gerrard and BBoong BBoong were the among those people I was closest to during the years, so I was doubly shocked at this match fixing scandal. During my time as a progamer, the conditions were worse than today and we didn't even have a sponsor but passion overcame all.

Its been said enough already, but people all around me said, "passion doesn't make money." Even so, I had no regret. I was actually happy, because although I was in a difficult financial situation, I was still doing something I wanted to do as a job. I had believed that this thought was shared by all of us. I'm not trying to defend them, but I still believe that the two (Gerrard and B4) were filled with the passion for the game. What has made them to fall this far?

Teams that start from individual effort usually come to the E- Sports scene because this is what they wanted to do all their lives. They start with the simple belief that although the start will be difficult, but it will all be rewarded in the end.

However, the situation only gets worse a lot of times. As they get tired and lose match after match, they start to cave in to these offers of matchfixing and the sweet smell of money. While the amount they gain seems unreal to them, they began to calculate the pros and cons.

The salaries players get outside of Code A and Code S are very little. Even if the salary is reasonable, the progamers have a fear for their future since they have a short job life. While matchfixing is something nobody should do in any circumstance, it might be hard to resist for players who consider themselves over the entire scene.

However, matchfixing is a crime, and it can never be justified.

People make mistakes, and there should be second chances. However, did their motive for matchfixing really come from a whimsical mistake? They are people who threw away The belief of the ESports staff, players, and fans after comparing it with a fine, probation, and 100 hours of community service and thought it was worth it due to the easy money they got.

Lets consider what we lost after the 2010 Match Fixing Scandal. After the scandal, people started to say "rigged, how much did he get paid for THIS" for every little strange thing, and for every game where there was an epic win from behind. Just like that, the attempts of many people who invested into ESports since the late 90s, believing that one day, gaming could be considered a culture, a type of sports, were summarized into one word. "RIGGED"

Its fundamentally impossible to uproot matchfixing entirely. The only practical solution to it will be to have a minimum salary that will at least allow players to live off of. Also, there should be some kind of job that progamers should be able to go into after they retire. When the fear for the present and future decreases, the incentive for players to matchfix will also decrease.

However, SC2 has less viewers and is in a worse situation when compared to LoL, and big companies have trouble deciding whether to invest money just to nuture the scene. And this will probably not be fixed soon, even with the LOTV release and its potential success. It is just that much time consuming to remake a scene that has been battered down so hard.

Matchfixing can still occur, even if things get better. This is observed even in popular sports such as baseball, basketball, and football/soccer, where popular players get caught for drug abuse or match fixing, although rare. There will always be people who give in to temptations, no matter how much money they receive legally.

So the best, and the only real thing we can do is to have efficient prevention and inflexible punishments over and over again.

ESports is a different kind, but there are still cases. MLB or Korean Baseball, football, basketball can all be consulted as to how they deal with match fixers and drug users.

It is very helpful to have another sports that have similar events happen. Luckily, I want to thank Kespa for their response this time around.

There can never be a 100% in one's life. There will always be loopholes, and crimes that abuse it. But we should continue to attempt to stop crimes, so we can overcome wounds like these and keep going forward. MLB and Korean pro baseball also have deep scars from matchfixing, but they have overcome it.

We also need love from fans who are passionate about SC2. It is sad that this scandal had to happen while SC2 was slowly increasing in viewership, but the scene must, especially in times like these, still uproot players and related people who have matchfixed. Support from fans are needed dearly in order to protect our players from matchfixing.

The minds of players also need to be changed. The title of "pro" is an extremely heavy weight to uphold and players must realize this. In starcraft bw, there were Courage matches to get semi- pro certificates, and pro drafting, etc. Now, both SC2 and LoL just pick players privately and give the title "pro". Therefore, Kespa and the Teams have to tell the players about the weight of this proud title, and just why matchfixing is so wrong.

Therefore, we must be filled with determination, especially in times like this. (He adds some baseball analogy, I didn't really get it)

ESports has already suffered a hard blow in 2010, and has suffered another 5 years after, when the wound from 2010 still hasn't been healed. Perhaps this is a deeper one than 5 years ago for that reason.

However, having a scar means that we lasted through it Its still not too late. This can be a chance to be a clean and fair SC scene before LOTV once more. Let us never forget. And struggle and remember. This event can be another development for the love you all send to SC2.



Article 1
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015102108211001039 (Daily E- Sports)

Afreeca TV's Strange Logic


Afreeca TV has refused Kespa's request to stop former match fixers from streaming by saying that the former players have already recieved judgement and are now free to do as they please.

- Its a Bigger Sin to Stream in Another Platform than to Matchfix?
(Afreeca TV has permabanned some famous streamers because they moved to another streaming site called Koo TV)
Afreeca TV has used the term "natural person" to define the match fixers. A "natural person" means that the designated man has right to be protected under law. Matchfixers are indeed "natural people", and their streaming Starcraft isn't illegal.

However, these same players have been revoked of their rights as pro gamers under the order of court as well as Kespa, where they were former members. It is immoral for them to continue to make money off of StarCraft: Brood War. Above the law, there are certain unspoken rules that are so obvious that the law does not need to designate them one by one, an this us a violation of it.

Lets look at the recent KOO TV scandal. The streamers Afreeca permabanned were also "natural people", who just decided to stream from another site.

This pretty much sums up Afreeca TV. Matchfixers can continue to stream so long as they obey Afreeca TV's operating rules, but streamers who stream at a competing companies will be banned. In Afreeca TV's eyes, the former gamers who matchfixed an landed a critical blow to the E-Sports scene must be respected since they make money for them, but streamers on different platforms can take away their income so they must be banned. Afreeca TV clearly shows that it values money before everything else and cares about its Terms over moral issues. It feels uncomfortable to watch a streaming platform where injustice is tolerated for income.


We are Just an Individual Streaming Platform?

This is the thought that is in between the lines of Afreeca's reply to Kespa. The small group of fans who support afreeca tv also advocate the opinion. However, Afreeca currently streams various E Sports events for Korea and will stream GSL, an official SC2 league, in 2016. Now, Afreeca has expanded beyond the point of an individual streaming platform. Also, the former progamer YoDa was found matchfixing on GSL, the league Afreeca is to host. Afreeca TV's reply means that there could be a comedic scene where a banned progamer could be making money by streaming the league he matchfixed on. If Afreeca continues to maintain its "Individual platform" status, it should be questioned whether it has a right to host GSL. A platform that only considers money with all morality out the window as a host cannot be expected to run a legitimate league.


Not Just About ESports

To people in all sports industries, Afreeca TV is known as the "hotspot of illegal bets". Afreeca TV allows many streams to be used as staging grounds for hosts of illegal betting sites. Would Afreeca TV have been oblivious to thi problem? Of course not. They have just followed their logic, "natural people" are allowed to stream without warning nor restriction. It will be easy to see, unless Afreeca TV fixes this age old mess, that future GSLs will continuously be corrupted.


Time for Blizzard to Take Action

Riot Games makes sure to stop a person from ever using LoL in any way once he/ she has been convicted of illegal activities in LoL. If a LoL player has been removed for matchfixing, Riot would have made sure he does not stream LoL, even if Afreeca allows it.

However, Blizzard continues to maintain a hands- off attitude, and didn't do anything even when matchfixing players left for a Chinese tournament. They are just letting the name of their game be dragged through mud.

It is likely Afreeca TV took advantage of Blizzard's leniency with their own game this time as well. It is questionable whether Afreeca TV would have said the same thing if Blizzard put its foot down and forbid partnership with platforms that sponsor match fixers.

Its time for Blizzard to do something. They should not allow match fixing players to broadcast on the same platform that they allow an officially sponsored game to be played on.



Summary 2(Daily E -Sports)
1. Afreeca TV has refused Kespa's request under the logic "The law did its job, we only follow the law"
2. Afreeca TV has recently banned prominent streamers from Afreeca because they tried to move on to a different platform. Those streamers have not broken any contract regulations nor have broken any laws.
3. GSL 2016 will be hosted by Afreeca on its platform, and many BW leagues have been on Afreeca. Having match fixing players stream the same content right next to the league they match fixed on is black comedy.
4. Afreeca TV has been a market for illegal betters for a long time. It's not right allowing GSL to stream right in the heart of darkness.
5. Blizzard must intervene at this point.

Misconceptions:
1. Community doesn't care about ruining matchfixers' lives. they can get a job somewhere else, just not streaming the game they matchfixed on. We know they spent most of their lives trying to get a stable footing on the scene, doesn't give them any right to ruin it and then try to use it again for a living. Really?
2. Afreeca TV's attitude toward things has been boiling for a long time. It just popped with this + GSL 2016
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DCStarcraftGall
Profile Joined October 2015
102 Posts
October 21 2015 01:16 GMT
#2
hmm I guess I can't change topic name once I post...
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 21 2015 01:19 GMT
#3
On October 21 2015 10:16 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
hmm I guess I can't change topic name once I post...


you can PM a mod or admin if you want the topic name changed. or just ask me here
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DCStarcraftGall
Profile Joined October 2015
102 Posts
October 21 2015 01:20 GMT
#4
On October 21 2015 10:19 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 10:16 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
hmm I guess I can't change topic name once I post...


you can PM a mod or admin if you want the topic name changed. or just ask me here

I want topic name changed! --> Blizz Plz- an Article on Afreeca TV's Reply to Kespa
so it can match reddit post! thank you
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 01:22:44
October 21 2015 01:22 GMT
#5
I think that's ridiculous. There's a disconnect between professional games and streaming. Should Lance Armstrong be banned from buying broccoli at the supermarket? If the privately owned enterprise decides to let people continue something that arguably has nothing to do with competitive play, it's their choice.

It's funny how people have this mentality that someone caught doing something bad should be automatically shunned or even shamed in every area of life. He's banned from competitive play, if he wants to stream, let him stream, what even is the link...

And FYI I was extremely critical of YoDa and Gerrard in previous posts of mine, but there's no need to fucking hang them, how much blood do you need?
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 01:24:24
October 21 2015 01:23 GMT
#6
Don't watch the stream if you don't want to. Streaming is not progaming. Koreans take their discipline and "morals" way too far.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
October 21 2015 01:27 GMT
#7
Should they also be banned from buying groceries at the store? Because they fixed matches?

Let them stream if they want to. Don't watch it. I won't.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
October 21 2015 01:28 GMT
#8
On October 21 2015 10:27 DinoMight wrote:
Should they also be banned from buying groceries at the store? Because they fixed matches?

Let them stream if they want to. Don't watch it. I won't.

I take it my analogy was not very original 2 post above yours.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 21 2015 01:29 GMT
#9
On October 21 2015 10:20 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 10:19 lichter wrote:
On October 21 2015 10:16 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
hmm I guess I can't change topic name once I post...


you can PM a mod or admin if you want the topic name changed. or just ask me here

I want topic name changed! --> Blizz Plz- an Article on Afreeca TV's Reply to Kespa
so it can match reddit post! thank you


I will change it to "Korean forum opinions on Afreeca's reply to KeSPA" which sounds more accurate
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r_gg
Profile Joined August 2015
141 Posts
October 21 2015 01:31 GMT
#10
On October 21 2015 10:29 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 10:20 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
On October 21 2015 10:19 lichter wrote:
On October 21 2015 10:16 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
hmm I guess I can't change topic name once I post...


you can PM a mod or admin if you want the topic name changed. or just ask me here

I want topic name changed! --> Blizz Plz- an Article on Afreeca TV's Reply to Kespa
so it can match reddit post! thank you


I will change it to "Korean forum opinions on Afreeca's reply to KeSPA" which sounds more accurate


actually he just translated an article by Daily E-Sports, which do reflect the sentiment of the community.
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DCStarcraftGall
Profile Joined October 2015
102 Posts
October 21 2015 01:32 GMT
#11
On October 21 2015 10:22 Djzapz wrote:
I think that's ridiculous. There's a disconnect between professional games and streaming. Should Lance Armstrong be banned from buying broccoli at the supermarket? If the privately owned enterprise decides to let people continue something that arguably has nothing to do with competitive play, it's their choice.

It's funny how people have this mentality that someone caught doing something bad should be automatically shunned or even shamed in every area of life. He's banned from competitive play, if he wants to stream, let him stream, what even is the link...

And FYI I was extremely critical of YoDa and Gerrard in previous posts of mine, but there's no need to fucking hang them, how much blood do you need?


No blood. YoDa has commited one of the worst sins a player can do and this time, unlike BW, there has been a harsh precedent. He knew what was coming. He wasn't too young. It is sad that he committed so much to ESports only to match fix all his records away, but that was his choice and now he must live with it. He should find some other job, that is not streaming on Afreeca. Have you thought about it? GSL, a premier class tournament being held right next to "YoDa's livestream- 10$ or more donation gets a funky dance from me"? Do you think a clean GSL can be held on a platform that allows every stream go online, even ones that promote matchfixing? This should have been a long time coming, in our opinion.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19320 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 01:35:23
October 21 2015 01:32 GMT
#12
AfreecaTV has been allowing banned BW players to play for some time. They have the approach where let the law do it's justice and let afreeca users do their streaming. It's not afreecas job to deal punishment and they have every right to just stay out of it. Social justice warriors are bad for society. I may not be happy with Savior, but if the man was earning a living off afreeca in BW then that's his prerogative. After the law has done it's part, the sentencing is over.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 01:48:29
October 21 2015 01:40 GMT
#13
On October 21 2015 10:32 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 10:22 Djzapz wrote:
I think that's ridiculous. There's a disconnect between professional games and streaming. Should Lance Armstrong be banned from buying broccoli at the supermarket? If the privately owned enterprise decides to let people continue something that arguably has nothing to do with competitive play, it's their choice.

It's funny how people have this mentality that someone caught doing something bad should be automatically shunned or even shamed in every area of life. He's banned from competitive play, if he wants to stream, let him stream, what even is the link...

And FYI I was extremely critical of YoDa and Gerrard in previous posts of mine, but there's no need to fucking hang them, how much blood do you need?


No blood. YoDa has commited one of the worst sins a player can do and this time, unlike BW, there has been a harsh precedent. He knew what was coming. He wasn't too young. It is sad that he committed so much to ESports only to match fix all his records away, but that was his choice and now he must live with it. He should find some other job, that is not streaming on Afreeca. Have you thought about it? GSL, a premier class tournament being held right next to "YoDa's livestream- 10$ or more donation gets a funky dance from me"? Do you think a clean GSL can be held on a platform that allows every stream go online, even ones that promote matchfixing? This should have been a long time coming, in our opinion.

None of that means anything. Let justice do its thing, let them pay for what they did. None of that means that they should be prevented from doing other random things.

Like what else, you don't like YoDa because did something immoral around competitive play, so he should be forbidden from streaming, a platform which has nothing to do with competitive play or gambling, where he can't match fix? What else do you want for him, he shouldn't be able to have his own youtube channel either because that's bad. What about Twitch.tv? And what if the fucking guy wants a coffee or something, should we warn the coffee shops that we want this guy to be as miserable as possible?

This is double jeopardy if I've ever seen it. People want revenge, not justice. It's childish and an emotional reaction.



And what's that about GSL going on a "platform that promotes matchfixing". When did Afreeca promote matchfixing? By not jumping on the bandwagon that demonizes people? What's the problem with using the platform anyway? Like TV is a platform that has pornography and sexual violence on it, as well as other distasteful things. Should you be weary of that too because it's unclean? Get real, it's a platform.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50712 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 01:50:38
October 21 2015 01:47 GMT
#14
On October 21 2015 10:32 BisuDagger wrote:
AfreecaTV has been allowing banned BW players to play for some time. They have the approach where let the law do it's justice and let afreeca users do their streaming. It's not afreecas job to deal punishment and they have every right to just stay out of it. Social justice warriors are bad for society. I may not be happy with Savior, but if the man was earning a living off afreeca in BW then that's his prerogative. After the law has done it's part, the sentencing is over.


I've also held the same opinion up until the fact that afreeca themselves now not only host but run the GSL and that it hurts their integrity by allowing matchfixers to use their streaming service.

that being said even if they do stream on afreeca, they should never be allowed to make money off of it.
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Jjjinyong
Profile Joined April 2015
9 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 01:52:51
October 21 2015 01:50 GMT
#15
On October 21 2015 10:40 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2015 10:32 DCStarcraftGall wrote:
On October 21 2015 10:22 Djzapz wrote:
I think that's ridiculous. There's a disconnect between professional games and streaming. Should Lance Armstrong be banned from buying broccoli at the supermarket? If the privately owned enterprise decides to let people continue something that arguably has nothing to do with competitive play, it's their choice.

It's funny how people have this mentality that someone caught doing something bad should be automatically shunned or even shamed in every area of life. He's banned from competitive play, if he wants to stream, let him stream, what even is the link...

And FYI I was extremely critical of YoDa and Gerrard in previous posts of mine, but there's no need to fucking hang them, how much blood do you need?


No blood. YoDa has commited one of the worst sins a player can do and this time, unlike BW, there has been a harsh precedent. He knew what was coming. He wasn't too young. It is sad that he committed so much to ESports only to match fix all his records away, but that was his choice and now he must live with it. He should find some other job, that is not streaming on Afreeca. Have you thought about it? GSL, a premier class tournament being held right next to "YoDa's livestream- 10$ or more donation gets a funky dance from me"? Do you think a clean GSL can be held on a platform that allows every stream go online, even ones that promote matchfixing? This should have been a long time coming, in our opinion.

None of that means anything. Let justice do its thing, let them pay for what they did. None of that means that they should be prevented from doing other random things.

Like what else, you don't like YoDa because did something immoral around competitive play, so he should be forbidden from streaming, a platform which has nothing to do with competitive play or gambling, where he can't match fix? What else do you want for him, he shouldn't be able to have his own youtube channel either because that's bad. What about Twitch.tv? And what if the fucking guy wants a coffee or something, should we warn the coffee shops that we want this guy to be as miserable as possible?

This is double jeopardy if I've ever seen it. People want revenge, not justice. It's childish and an emotional reaction.



And what's that about GSL going on a "platform that promotes matchfixing". When did Afreeca promote matchfixing? By not jumping on the bandwagon that demonizes people? What's the problem with using the platform anyway? Like TV is a platform that has pornography and sexual violence on it, as well as other distasteful times. Should you be weary of that too because it's unclean? Get real, it's a platform.


Did you even read the article? It says that Afreeca TV has made match fixing streams (Live matchfixing going on and people betting in chat) for a long time now. It's not a recent thing and has been a problem that Afreeca has been refusing to fix. The community also doesn't care about matchfixers living life, they just have problems with them using the game they tarnished as a tool. There are more things that are possible to do in life than gaming. Grow up. YoDa can get coffee anytime he wants. His life. So long as he doesn't come back to the scene, which Afreeca is now a scene because it hosts GSL. Twitch, a scene, saw the implications to allowing match fixers stream, hence banning match fixing streamers. Twitch has taken on the role of a hosting platform, whilst Afreeca still hides behind its curtain of "individual stream". If you host the GSL, its not individual anymore...
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
October 21 2015 01:54 GMT
#16
On October 21 2015 10:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On October 21 2015 10:32 BisuDagger wrote:
AfreecaTV has been allowing banned BW players to play for some time. They have the approach where let the law do it's justice and let afreeca users do their streaming. It's not afreecas job to deal punishment and they have every right to just stay out of it. Social justice warriors are bad for society. I may not be happy with Savior, but if the man was earning a living off afreeca in BW then that's his prerogative. After the law has done it's part, the sentencing is over.


I've also held the same opinion up until the fact that afreeca themselves now not only host but run the GSL and that it hurts their integrity by allowing matchfixers to use their streaming service.

that being said even if they do stream on afreeca, they should never be allowed to make money off of it.


ex-matchfixers, not matchfixers

its good to see Afreeca do not demonize ex-convicts like all the online keyboard warriors and many employers IRL and let them do their streams. Savior and ilk have not participated in any more major korean tournaments and thats good enough.
kchany2
Profile Joined May 2015
Korea (South)5 Posts
October 21 2015 02:00 GMT
#17
You foreigners just dont care because you dont really care about starcraft.

Should these criminals be banned from buying groceries? Definetely not. Should these match fixers be ever banned from starcraft? Definetely so, u retards.

Let's take a look at other sports. If a soccer player is caught match fixing, he is not allowed to get jobs related to soccer ever again. He should find another job.

And these match fix streamers should at least not stream on starcraft. I hope all of you would be happy if a guy who commited a sexual crime stream playing around with teenage girls.

You get my point? It's not like we should kill match fixers. But they should at least be stopped from getting profits with starcraft, the very game he damaged so heavily.

You guys just don't care the fuck about this issue because you are living thousands of miles away and are not really related to all this stuff. Korean esports scene almost went on destruction the last time match fixing happened, and lot of hard-working people lost their job. It's totally fair for innocent people to be banned from the scene and criminals to stay on this scene to earn money, right???? I see your point^^

And don't tell me esports and streaming is different issue. I'll be pissed off to hell. They're fucking playing the same game and getting profits out of it. Like I've said, ex-soccer player caught match fixing is even banned from teaching soccer to kids or in anyway earn money with soccer. Oh, you really dont consider esports as sports, right? So be it. We Koreans DO want esports to be sports and wont allow it.

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Jjjinyong
Profile Joined April 2015
9 Posts
October 21 2015 02:03 GMT
#18
On October 21 2015 11:00 kchany2 wrote:
You foreigners just dont care because you dont really care about starcraft.

Should these criminals be banned from buying groceries? Definetely not. Should these match fixers be ever banned from starcraft? Definetely so, u retards.

Let's take a look at other sports. If a soccer player is caught match fixing, he is not allowed to get jobs related to soccer ever again. He should find another job.

And these match fix streamers should at least not stream on starcraft. I hope all of you would be happy if a guy who commited a sexual crime stream playing around with teenage girls.

You get my point? It's not like we should kill match fixers. But they should at least be stopped from getting profits with starcraft, the very game he damaged so heavily.

You guys just don't care the fuck about this issue because you are living thousands of miles away and are not really related to all this stuff. Korean esports scene almost went on destruction the last time match fixing happened, and lot of hard-working people lost their job. It's totally fair for innocent people to be banned from the scene and criminals to stay on this scene to earn money, right???? I see your point^^

And don't tell me esports and streaming is different issue. I'll be pissed off to hell. They're fucking playing the same game and getting profits out of it. Like I've said, ex-soccer player caught match fixing is even banned from teaching soccer to kids or in anyway earn money with soccer. Oh, you really dont consider esports as sports, right? So be it. We Koreans DO want esports to be sports and wont allow it.


lets calm down though
r_gg
Profile Joined August 2015
141 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-21 02:05:39
October 21 2015 02:04 GMT
#19
On October 21 2015 11:00 kchany2 wrote:
You foreigners just dont care because you dont really care about starcraft.

Should these criminals be banned from buying groceries? Definetely not. Should these match fixers be ever banned from starcraft? Definetely so, u retards.

Let's take a look at other sports. If a soccer player is caught match fixing, he is not allowed to get jobs related to soccer ever again. He should find another job.

And these match fix streamers should at least not stream on starcraft. I hope all of you would be happy if a guy who commited a sexual crime stream playing around with teenage girls.

You get my point? It's not like we should kill match fixers. But they should at least be stopped from getting profits with starcraft, the very game he damaged so heavily.

You guys just don't care the fuck about this issue because you are living thousands of miles away and are not really related to all this stuff. Korean esports scene almost went on destruction the last time match fixing happened, and lot of hard-working people lost their job. It's totally fair for innocent people to be banned from the scene and criminals to stay on this scene to earn money, right???? I see your point^^

And don't tell me esports and streaming is different issue. I'll be pissed off to hell. They're fucking playing the same game and getting profits out of it. Like I've said, ex-soccer player caught match fixing is even banned from teaching soccer to kids or in anyway earn money with soccer. Oh, you really dont consider esports as sports, right? So be it. We Koreans DO want esports to be sports and wont allow it.


Honestly, many people doesn't seem to know how much impact match-fixing scandal back in Brood War had in destroying the esports scene.

I've even seen people saying let's accept YoDa / B4 with open arms if they decide to join foreign teams and play in foreign tournaments.
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
October 21 2015 02:05 GMT
#20
TIL matchfixers = rapist and/or pedophile.

Some people are just beyond stupid.
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