EPTKorean forum opinions on Afreeca's reply to KeSPA - Page 3
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pzlama333
United States277 Posts
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r_gg
141 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:28 jinyung2 wrote: I just wanted to point out this is pretty much flat out wrong lol the translators own biased opinions regarding afreeca are oozing out all over his post and his social justice attitude is not helping. If you join an afreeca stream you are shown this image: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AAij2Jy.png) rough translation: chatting/advertising about illegal betting will result in your ID and personal information being automatically notified to the cyber crime investigation unit. now this hasn't always been there of course, and for a while the relay rooms that afreeca has were plagued with bots advertising illegal betting sites. but that doesn't mean afreeca hasn't tried to prevent it for a while, even like 3 years ago when I would try to watch baseball streamers on afreeca who were also advertising illegal gambling, admins would constantly crack down on and shut down these streams only to have more and more pop up nonstop. of course it's hard to prevent and maybe afreeca is not trying their best to stop it, but OP makes it sound like afreeca just turns a blind eye to it. I can't believe this biased bullshit of a post is on the front page of community news lol That part is coming directly from the article he linked, which has nothing to with the forum he is coming from. It's a condensed translation and not a one-to-one, but he still retains the original message. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:36 stuchiu wrote: I thought the only matchfixer left streaming on Afreeca was Hwasin? go.go did too, but honestly after this I doubt they'll be streaming again anytime soon. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:34 BisuDagger wrote: I think the OP has offered some good content and discussion in other threads. :D advertisers pandering to the taste of their audience, thats new On October 21 2015 11:36 stuchiu wrote: I thought the only matchfixer left streaming on Afreeca was Hwasin? hardly active these days. savior and gogo no longer streams | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:18 Probemicro wrote: lol no its not arbritrary, there are labour/employment laws that put down definitions on what actually constitutes a "job" or "employment". Yes they are earning money but i highly doubt being a "streamer" is considered a "job" or lets you fall under protection of labour laws by any legal or technical means Well you're partially right i guess, if we talk semantics. No, it doesn't count as "employment", you're right. It counts as a business, you're self employed. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
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Apoteosis
Chile820 Posts
These guys were already condemned by the society (Courts). We do not need further punishment. Remember that justice is not the same as vengeance. | ||
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:40 Probemicro wrote: advertisers pandering to the taste of their audience, thats new hardly active these days. savior and gogo no longer streams Hwasin actually streamed yesterday whining about how people are trying to stop him from making money on streams...? Savior now drives cars for people so they don't get DUIed. Talked on stream about how he makes a good 5 grand a month by driving rich ladies since he was so handsome, if anyone is interested. go.go had a job in lotte but he quit and begin streaming. stopped following him after that so idk what he is doing now. oh this is DCStarcraftGall btw I made this account because I wanted to say my own opinions. Have to go to SGall for feedback every time with the other acc  | ||
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kr5467
5 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:28 jinyung2 wrote: I just wanted to point out this is pretty much flat out wrong lol the translators own biased opinions regarding afreeca are oozing out all over his post and his social justice attitude is not helping. If you join an afreeca stream you are shown this image: rough translation: chatting/advertising about illegal betting will result in your ID and personal information being automatically notified to the cyber crime investigation unit. now this hasn't always been there of course, and for a while the relay rooms that afreeca has were plagued with bots advertising illegal betting sites. but that doesn't mean afreeca hasn't tried to prevent it for a while, even like 3 years ago when I would try to watch baseball streamers on afreeca who were also advertising illegal gambling, admins would constantly crack down on and shut down these streams only to have more and more pop up nonstop. of course it's hard to prevent and maybe afreeca is not trying their best to stop it, but OP makes it sound like afreeca just turns a blind eye to it. also regarding GSL, im pretty sure (not 100% correct me if im wrong) GOM was the one paying afreeca to have their stream there in HQ quality and advertisements about it plastered all over the front. If you launch their stream player when there was a GSL event on, guess what's the first promoted stream you see on the menu? GSL. that's up to who ever is running the tournament to stay away from afreeca. and if there are individual streamers trying to broadcast the game even though afreeca doesn't have the license too than admins try their best to crack down and shutdown these illegal streams. I can't believe this biased bullshit of a post is on the front page of community news lol Yes they do have warnings on the streams but there are still a bunch of illegal betting rooms being streamed. It seems AfreecaTV doenst really care about it | ||
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OrangeGarage
Korea (South)319 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:22 Djzapz wrote: Did Afreeca partake in the match fixing or something? Or did it fall victim to match fixing happening under its banner, which it has no control over? And twitch hasn't crushed match fixing or anything like that, what has Twitch done? I'm not familiar with the story.... I know that Swag, Steel, Dazed and other CSGO players were accused of matchfixing, they were banned from attending some events by Valve, but those players still get to stream on twitch.tv. Twitch KR has replied to Kespa requests positively and will stop any match fixing gamers from streaming. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:42 ArvickHero wrote: cmon lets be realistic here, it's not like Yoda or B4 are actually going to make any real money from streaming sc2 on Afreeca. They aren't popular personalities and the game they play isn't even popular on Afreeca lol Seems like this has bugged Kespa for awhile and the recent scandal gives them more leverage to try to get this done? | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:49 RCCar wrote: Twitch KR has replied to Kespa requests positively and will stop any match fixing gamers from streaming. Well I guess there's a cultural clash then. I don't think Twitch KR should've done that. But then again who am I to go against the will of Our Great Overlord KESPA. | ||
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kr5467
5 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:37 pzlama333 wrote: As long as those match-fixers do not make money directly from streaming, I think it should not be a big problem. They are actually making a lot of money from the streaming. Can anyone plz explain how AfreecaTV system works? | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:51 stuchiu wrote: Seems like this has bugged Kespa for awhile and the recent scandal gives them more leverage to try to get this done? I suppose so. It really seems more symbolic than anything else, but in reality it doesn't really have a practical impact. Cuz honestly, who's gonna tune in to watch Yoda/B4 and donate balloons? As for BW players, it'd only affect Hwasin, who is okay-ish (I guess. meh.). Savior was really the only problem, and he's seemed to quit completely so yay. Bottom line is that Afreeca is a business, and they want the $$$. They could make more money off of idiots who donate to matchfixers, or ban them and ... not. There's not really much incentive at all to ban them lol. | ||
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
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Zibit
United States9 Posts
I know this probably won't be a popular opinion, and I agree with most that B4 and Yoda definitely should have known better... But, I find it kind of sickening the way that when these things happen, people are so ready to jump on the bandwagon of hurting them even more. I'm specifically addressing those who think they shouldn't make money in any way off StarCraft because they hurt the mystical, magical, super-pure "e-sports" scene. These guys are kids, and grossly underpaid kids at that. I find it a huge contradiction that while people rally to try to ban them from possibly streaming to make money in future, no one writes articles asking about the fundamental reasons this happens. People want to talk about image and integrity of having things shown on the same service as GSL. But no one wants to talk integrity of the institutions that let people like Gerrard not pay salaries and use his role to facilitate match fixing to begin with. I feel like everyone rushes to hate on these match fixers, who did do something wrong. But if this is a problem people really want to address, maybe we should be less quick to judge these players and a little more understanding and interested in why and how it's happening. After all, you don't stop it from happening by nabbing a few players who barely made enough to feed themselves, and then try to block them making money on the main skill they have. You do it by rooting out the Gerrards and the facilitators and the blackmailers and the people who threaten them... you know... THE FREAKING MOB that is implicated in the prosecutor's report. I understand that people are angry. But I specifically don't understand trying to limit their ability to go make money outside of KeSPA organized esports. I just want to know what people like Gerrard, who are supposed to be shepherds to these young kids, have to say for themselves. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On October 21 2015 12:32 Zibit wrote: So I hope this isn't too off topic to the original article, but I want to say something about the responses and the outrage. I know this probably won't be a popular opinion, and I agree with most that B4 and Yoda definitely should have known better... But, I find it kind of sickening the way that when these things happen, people are so ready to jump on the bandwagon of hurting them even more. I'm specifically addressing those who think they shouldn't make money in any way off StarCraft because they hurt the mystical, magical, super-pure "e-sports" scene. These guys are kids, and grossly underpaid kids at that. I find it a huge contradiction that while people rally to try to ban them from possibly streaming to make money in future, no one writes articles asking about the fundamental reasons this happens. People want to talk about image and integrity of having things shown on the same service as GSL. But no one wants to talk integrity of the institutions that let people like Gerrard not pay salaries and use his role to facilitate match fixing to begin with. I feel like everyone rushes to hate on these match fixers, who did do something wrong. But if this is a problem people really want to address, maybe we should be less quick to judge these players and a little more understanding and interested in why and how it's happening. After all, you don't stop it from happening by nabbing a few players who barely made enough to feed themselves, and then try to block them making money on the main skill they have. You do it by rooting out the Gerrards and the facilitators and the blackmailers and the people who threaten them... you know... THE FREAKING MOB that is implicated in the prosecutor's report. I understand that people are angry. But I specifically don't understand trying to limit their ability to go make money outside of KeSPA organized esports. I just want to know what people like Gerrard, who are supposed to be shepherds to these young kids, have to say for themselves. Live in the Utopian land much? | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:52 Djzapz wrote: Well I guess there's a cultural clash then. I don't think Twitch KR should've done that. But then again who am I to go against the will of Our Great Overlord KESPA. Sarcasm comes from inner sense of superiority. Huh. | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On October 21 2015 11:05 m4ini wrote: TIL matchfixers = rapist and/or pedophile. Some people are just beyond stupid. lol, do you even analogy bro? And you call people stupid. His analogy was perfectly viable because it deals with the same topic of moral grounds for legal punishment, only in more dramatic situations so that the point is obvious to anyone. | ||
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
If they were streaming something entirely different like mok-bang (eating show) then it would be a different story or they've moved onto a completely different job away from the pro gaming scene. Edit - In Afreeca TV, you make money by people donating you these things called balloon stars. Each one costs some real life $. They can donate this anytime they want. Your a girl and do a sexy dance, youll see all these males start throwing all these balloons at you. From my knowledge, some well known streamers make ALOT of money like in the 6 digits for some for doing all sorts of weird shit. Now for most ex-BW players and people involved in the match fixing, they often play BW or talk about the pro scene etc. Its viewers are interested to see them play again. They want to hear more about their side of the story. They want to see guests on the stream insult them etc etc all of it generates interests and in the end people donating money. | ||
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