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OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
October 22 2015 01:26 GMT
#201
I don't know why people try to say matchfixers are trying to make amends by streaming. They are just trying to make money off of a content they ruined because that's the only thing they think they can do. Afreeca knows that allowing matchfixers to stream on their platform is wrong when they are about to host GSL because if you look at the reasons they say that "we have no power to ban natural people." That is a complete lie. They pretty much ban anybody they want (numerous cases of banning streamers because of petty reasons), and they know former match fixing streamers bring in money. If they really wanted to say that they don't give a fuck about matchfixers, they should have said "we don't care about matchfixing people streaming on us" like a lot of you guys are doing right now. Afreeca just basically released a statement saying "We know its unethical... but we like money over ethics"
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Jjjinyong
Profile Joined April 2015
9 Posts
October 22 2015 01:31 GMT
#202
Chicago Black Sox Scandal from wikipedia:

The Black Sox Scandal took place during the play of the 1919 World Series. The Chicago White Sox lost the series to the Cincinnati Reds, and eight White Sox players were later accused of intentionally losing games in exchange for money from gamblers. The players were acquitted in court, but nevertheless, they were all banned for life from baseball.

....

After being banned, Risberg and several other members of the Black Sox tried to organize a three-state barnstorming tour. However, they were forced to cancel those plans after Landis let it be known that anyone who played with or against them would also be banned from baseball for life. They then announced plans to play a regular exhibition game every Sunday in Chicago, but the Chicago City Council threatened to cancel the license of any ballpark that hosted them.

From r_gg's post.
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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
October 22 2015 02:45 GMT
#203
On October 22 2015 10:20 RCCar wrote:
3. Vimeo, Google, and Dailymotion don't host the next World Cup.


I was literally about to post this exact thing after seeing that guy's post.

His analogy is terrible, its nothing like what KeSPA is pushing for.
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ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
October 22 2015 02:50 GMT
#204
On October 22 2015 11:45 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2015 10:20 RCCar wrote:
3. Vimeo, Google, and Dailymotion don't host the next World Cup.


I was literally about to post this exact thing after seeing that guy's post.

His analogy is terrible, its nothing like what KeSPA is pushing for.


Not trying to side with anyone here, but Vimeo, Google, and Dailymotion would have to pay tens to hundreds of millions of dollars to host the next world cup.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-22 03:07:15
October 22 2015 03:07 GMT
#205
Honestly, unless Blizzard decides to intervene, Afreeca has the right to not ban matchfixers from their platform. It's their decision.

But players and viewers also have the right to not watch/play in GSL if they didn't like Afreeca's actions. It's their decision.

Simple.
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Zibit
Profile Joined February 2014
United States9 Posts
October 22 2015 03:58 GMT
#206
On October 22 2015 05:21 pure.Wasted wrote:
One of the fundamental issues in this thread is legal precedent. Specifically, setting precedent for discriminating against match-fixers. I've demonstrated that legal precedent exists for discriminating against criminals on the basis of their having no integrity on top of the crime they committed. The army isn't even the only place this happens, it was only the first that came to mind.

If you're convicted of a felony in the US, you can't ever get a job as a police officer. In what world is that fair?! The felony you committed had nothing to do with being a police officer! Well, in the eyes of the law, you are now legally a shitstain of a human being, so... too bad, so sad.


Okay, just want to point out that I don't think you understand what the term "legal precedent" means. Apologies if you do actually know this and are actually citing a specific ruling which you just didn't happen to actually quote. It doesn't mean that something similar somewhere has happened. It specifically refers to case law where there is a precedent handed down as a ruling. This precedent is then referred to in other cases later.

Funny thing is, it isn't even similar. It the case of the Army and the US Post Office, you're talking about the SAME EMPLOYER. It's the US Government. Reducto ad absurdum: There's precedent because being fired from a company, you couldn't be hired by the exact same company anymore. Being fired by an employer and not being hired back by the same exact employer doesn't equate to this issue.

What about a progamer's previous job equates to any precedent to not be able to use a service owned by a different company?... One which does not consider him an employee or a representative?

As for police work, I think this one is a bit closer to a true analogy but it still fails to represent this argument. As a felon you broke certain laws, and now we do not hold you to the standard of being the arbiters of said laws.

What about a progamer's previous infractions/crimes would ban him from using a service on which he will neither be a member of KeSPA nor be involved in crime? Does society dictate someone who breaks the law now shouldn't be the arbiters of streaming personal, legal content? Do you see how streaming isn't the same as being a cop?

When it comes to the legal side [ie the only think I'm arguing here] I don't think there's precedent at all. I could be wrong though, there could be some Korean case that applies. Regardless, the analogies are just wrong and having nothing to do with precedent, legal or otherwise.

Phew... time to catch up on SSL 11 vods I missed. Good thread!
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 22 2015 05:49 GMT
#207
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Kyir
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1047 Posts
October 22 2015 06:57 GMT
#208
Gotta love mob rule.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
October 22 2015 07:48 GMT
#209
On October 22 2015 15:57 Kyir wrote:
Gotta love mob rule.


Reasonable or not, Afreeca based their business decision based on how many potential costumers they would lose from the bad PR it would generate. Afreeca doesn't give two shits about principles.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
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