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MC: Farewell to One of the Greatest

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MC: Farewell to One of the Greatest

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June 18th, 2015 22:12 GMT
At midnight on June 18th, 2015 Jang "MC" Min Chul announced his retirement on Twitter, ending his 5 year career as an SC2 progamer.




Personally, this was a hard article to write. MC has been one of the most successful and accomplished players, one of the great revolutionary players of his race, one of the greatest players overall, the player that has won the most prize money of any other and one of the few to have complete control over his image. Yet the hardest thing to grasp was the fact that MC was retiring at all. When the tweet came out, I stared blankly at the monitor hoping it was a joke, trying to will the tweet out of existence, refusing to believe the reality that was in front of my eyes.
The term "legend" has been abused so many times by casters in recent years, I have become extremely loathe to use it. But MC is one of the few who rightfully deserves that moniker. He was one of its greatest SC2 players ever, not only in terms of gameplay but as a stand-in for the dedicated passion of the community. He functioned as role-model, entertainer, icon, and pillar of consistency, alternating between roles on a regular basis. He appeared to be an eternal star in the night sky, poised to outlast all the competition.
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Every star burns out and on this night, MC’s finally ended. He walks away with one of the most successful SC2 careers in the history of the game, He is the only Protoss to have won 2 GSLs and the only member of his race to reach the finals three times. He has the most premier tournament podium placings of any player (26 in total). MC stayed a reliable force from his 2010 debut to the beginning of 2015, where he was still able to make it to the Ro16 of Code S. This is without touching upon his in-game influence and how MC’s ideas, strategies, compositions and builds persist to this day. In terms of pure achievements, only TaeJa, Life, and Mvp can be argued to be ahead of him. Additionally he has won the most prize money of any SC2 player with a grand total of $492,485.40.
What we will remember most will be his larger-than-life personality. No one put on a song and dance quite like MC, and his antics held us rapt in fascination and amusement. MC earned infamy with various hilarious displays such as his Murloc dance, his Teemo dance, walking onto the stage of OSL Group selections as the Undertaker and casually trash talking his opponents in multiple languages. He was one of the first Korean players to understand the importance of meeting his fans halfway, and he gladly engaged with his foreign followers in English. He has served as caster and analyst, created his own team house in Europe, and has adopted/made multiple nicknames for himself including Kratoss, BossToss and the Protoss President.
Looking back on his oeuvre, was it any surprise MC started his career as a BW player by menacingly slitting his throat at his opponent? He lost his match but it demonstrated a desire to break the mold. That fervor to be both an entertainer and a great player has subsequently driven the course of MC’s career. It was why he was one of the first professional BW players to switch to SC2, why his championship reigns resembled the theatricality of WWE wrestling more than the tight-lipped fortitude of his contemporaries. As befitting his grandiose airs he put on, MC started his SC2 career as royalty and never entirely left. He was one of the rare players to qualify for the first ever GSL Open. In that first season, he met an ignominious end at the hands of Polt in the first round (who used the first ever televised 1-1-1 build). Nearly 5 years later his career ends as a masterpiece. He leaves as one of the most storied and loved players ever, having accomplished nearly everything he had ever hoped for. Though MC’s star no longer shines, his brilliance will continue to illuminate the night and remind us of a time when a titan walked the earth.
WRITER: STUCHIU
EDITOR: CosmicSpiral
PHOTO CREDIT: KEVIN CHANG
GRAPHICS: v1
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 18 2015 22:15 GMT
#2
Farewell, MC.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
June 18 2015 22:15 GMT
#3
Thanks for this, amazing write-up of MC, although I think he will be back in LOTV, it is the Protoss expansion after all. We will need the BOSSTOSS then.
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echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 22:19:02
June 18 2015 22:18 GMT
#4
I hope he won't leave the community entirely.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
June 18 2015 22:18 GMT
#5
One of the funniest moments from MC that I can I remember:




Good luck in your future endeavors!
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
JamesT
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
United States681 Posts
June 18 2015 22:18 GMT
#6
That was a fast article!
How are you doing today?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 18 2015 22:19 GMT
#7
On June 19 2015 07:15 GGzerG wrote:
Thanks for this, amazing write-up of MC, although I think he will be back in LOTV, it is the Protoss expansion after all. We will need the BOSSTOSS then.


TL Writers curse don't fail me now.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
June 18 2015 22:24 GMT
#8
Where's the oGs flair when you need it?

RIP MC
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Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
June 18 2015 22:24 GMT
#9
MC deserved something like this, thanks for putting this together so quickly! Still can hardly believe this is happening.
"HSC casting is essentially an LR thread read aloud." -ThomasjServo
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Shtanjel
Profile Joined November 2014
Slovenia49 Posts
June 18 2015 22:27 GMT
#10
Great article in honor of a great player.
Farewell!
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 22:35:53
June 18 2015 22:32 GMT
#11
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.
duckTemplar
Profile Joined February 2011
United States153 Posts
June 18 2015 22:36 GMT
#12
GSL OPEN I or II, his army broken by Polt's 1,1,1

earliest memory of the BossToss, that was 2010.
The first word Kerrigan said to Raynor was "...You Pig!", to Raynor's response "What? ... oh you're a psychic"
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 18 2015 22:39 GMT
#13
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists
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Antonidas
Profile Joined August 2014
United States105 Posts
June 18 2015 22:41 GMT
#14
=[. Best wishes MC. I loved your games. And your antics.
as long as there is Starcraft, life is good *insert propaganda here*
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44317 Posts
June 18 2015 22:42 GMT
#15
Boss Toss!!! The premier Protoss. The President Toss. One of the best personalities and SC2 players of all time.

Will be missed <3
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
June 18 2015 22:45 GMT
#16
En taro MC.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 18 2015 22:46 GMT
#17
I was having such an awesome week and then this happens

Time to go join Mvp and Nestea T_T
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
June 18 2015 22:47 GMT
#18
On June 19 2015 07:39 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists


And yet, he's never beaten the best players in the universally regarded most competitive tournaments. Sorry, but you're going to roundly mocked for that list for a long, long time.

DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44317 Posts
June 18 2015 22:48 GMT
#19
On June 19 2015 07:47 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 07:39 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists


And yet, he's never beaten the best players in the universally regarded most competitive tournaments. Sorry, but you're going to roundly mocked for that list for a long, long time.



I think they're saying it to elicit the exact reaction that you're giving them TrollLiquid
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
wstubzi
Profile Joined February 2015
New Zealand224 Posts
June 18 2015 22:51 GMT
#20
TT so sad, what a legend. What a boss.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 18 2015 22:53 GMT
#21
Westu hal.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 18 2015 22:54 GMT
#22
Goodbye to the most iconic Protoss players in sc2, cant forget that sick run in the 3rd ever GSL Code S and first protoss to win it
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
June 18 2015 22:56 GMT
#23
Man, we're really going to miss you.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 22:58:34
June 18 2015 22:58 GMT
#24
On June 19 2015 07:47 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 07:39 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists


And yet, he's never beaten the best players in the universally regarded most competitive tournaments. Sorry, but you're going to roundly mocked for that list for a long, long time.



I didn't realize Blizzcon 2014 wasn't universally regarded as a competitive tournament.
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KyuuSC
Profile Joined March 2012
United States36 Posts
June 18 2015 23:01 GMT
#25
The best part about MC was his brashness.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
June 18 2015 23:02 GMT
#26
On June 19 2015 07:58 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 07:47 -_- wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:39 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists


And yet, he's never beaten the best players in the universally regarded most competitive tournaments. Sorry, but you're going to roundly mocked for that list for a long, long time.



I didn't realize Blizzcon 2014 wasn't universally regarded as a competitive tournament.


My mistake. I didn't realize he won it.
juleharen
Profile Joined November 2014
Norway298 Posts
June 18 2015 23:04 GMT
#27
Someone please make a best of MC vod-list.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 23:05:58
June 18 2015 23:05 GMT
#28
On June 19 2015 08:02 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 07:58 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:47 -_- wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:39 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists


And yet, he's never beaten the best players in the universally regarded most competitive tournaments. Sorry, but you're going to roundly mocked for that list for a long, long time.



I didn't realize Blizzcon 2014 wasn't universally regarded as a competitive tournament.


My mistake. I didn't realize he won it.


But that's not what you said. He beat Innovation and soO - the two most recent GSL finalists at the time, at Blizzcon. That means he beat the best players (or some of them) at the most highly regarded tournament of them all. Your argument falls there. If you only count when you win, I don't see the case you're making for MC being ahead of Taeja
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banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
June 18 2015 23:07 GMT
#29
On June 19 2015 08:05 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 08:02 -_- wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:58 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:47 -_- wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:39 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists


And yet, he's never beaten the best players in the universally regarded most competitive tournaments. Sorry, but you're going to roundly mocked for that list for a long, long time.



I didn't realize Blizzcon 2014 wasn't universally regarded as a competitive tournament.


My mistake. I didn't realize he won it.


But that's not what you said. He beat Innovation and soO - the two most recent GSL finalists at the time, at Blizzcon. That means he beat the best players (or some of them) at the most highly regarded tournament of them all. Your argument falls there. If you only count when you win, I don't see the case you're making for MC being ahead of Taeja

What's this logic bullshit? Liquid bias 100% you are clearly trying to subliminally grow support of the team and spite people with different opinions that are actually more objectively correct!
Writer#1 CJ fan | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/508947-wcs-dreamhack-austin-interviews
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
June 18 2015 23:11 GMT
#30
Call me an optimist, but given the revolving door of SC2 pro retirement, this article seems awkwardly premature.

Nice writeup, though.
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
June 18 2015 23:18 GMT
#31
On June 19 2015 08:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
Call me an optimist, but given the revolving door of SC2 pro retirement, this article seems awkwardly premature.

Nice writeup, though.

i think it reflects the general mood about where MC is at with his career. he made a few waves in korea, but struggled to really get anything done against current top koreans in 2015, and it doesn't seem likely imo that he's going to try to go back to EU or anything like that. compared to when taeja "started retiring" and he was still in good enough shape to destroy almost any player it just feels kinda different
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-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 23:23:03
June 18 2015 23:19 GMT
#32
On June 19 2015 08:05 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 08:02 -_- wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:58 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:47 -_- wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:39 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists


And yet, he's never beaten the best players in the universally regarded most competitive tournaments. Sorry, but you're going to roundly mocked for that list for a long, long time.



I didn't realize Blizzcon 2014 wasn't universally regarded as a competitive tournament.


My mistake. I didn't realize he won it.


But that's not what you said. He beat Innovation and soO - the two most recent GSL finalists at the time, at Blizzcon. That means he beat the best players (or some of them) at the most highly regarded tournament of them all. Your argument falls there. If you only count when you win, I don't see the case you're making for MC being ahead of Taeja



That is not my argument. I worded my post poorly. But your interpretation (and perhaps stuchiu's) of it is literally absurd. Which should've led you to be more generous in your reading.

Did you honestly think I was stating that a SC2 player can be counted among the greatest if they beat SOME of the best players in the world at ONE competitive tournament? Without winning said tournament? Even doing this multiple times doesn't even get you in the ball park. Look at the unofficial champion post. If that was what I meant, dozens of player could call themselves all time greats.

Give me some credit. Putting Taeja near the top of any all time list is silly because he's never WON the type of tournament I described above. MC has.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28477 Posts
June 18 2015 23:22 GMT
#33
Visit HSC pls MC

I Protoss winner, could it be?
banjoetheredskin
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States744 Posts
June 18 2015 23:25 GMT
#34
On June 19 2015 08:19 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 08:05 Zealously wrote:
On June 19 2015 08:02 -_- wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:58 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:47 -_- wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:39 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists


And yet, he's never beaten the best players in the universally regarded most competitive tournaments. Sorry, but you're going to roundly mocked for that list for a long, long time.



I didn't realize Blizzcon 2014 wasn't universally regarded as a competitive tournament.


My mistake. I didn't realize he won it.


But that's not what you said. He beat Innovation and soO - the two most recent GSL finalists at the time, at Blizzcon. That means he beat the best players (or some of them) at the most highly regarded tournament of them all. Your argument falls there. If you only count when you win, I don't see the case you're making for MC being ahead of Taeja



That is not my argument. I worded my post poorly. But your interpretation (and perhaps stuchiu's) of it is literally absurd. Which should've led you to be more generous in your reading.

Did you honestly think I was stating that a SC2 player can be counted among the greatest if they beat SOME of the best players in the world at ONE competitive tournament? Without winning said tournament? Even doing this multiple times doesn't even get you in the ball park. Look at the unofficial champion post. If that was what I meant, dozens of player could call themselves all time greats.

Give me some credit. Putting Taeja near the top of any all time list is silly because he's never WON the type of tournament I described above. MC has.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_DreamHack_Open/Winter
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_DreamHack_Open/Bucharest
I'm not taking a side, but I don't think you can say Taeja has never won "that type" of tournament
Writer#1 CJ fan | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/508947-wcs-dreamhack-austin-interviews
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24202 Posts
June 18 2015 23:25 GMT
#35
Thanks for that article. That retirement really brings a tear to my eye.
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
June 18 2015 23:28 GMT
#36
This and Jinro are the two retirements that actually get to me. MC was always one of my all-time favorite players. I don't really follow the game closely anymore but this still bums me out.

Thanks MC!
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
June 18 2015 23:29 GMT
#37
Farewell MC.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
June 18 2015 23:38 GMT
#38
On June 19 2015 07:18 tshi wrote:
One of the funniest moments from MC that I can I remember:

https://youtu.be/O1DUw0PKt6Y


Good luck in your future endeavors!

Retirement of MC is a loss to the game and scene themselves. I hope he will at least attend HomeStory Cup every now and then.
LightTemplar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland481 Posts
June 18 2015 23:38 GMT
#39
The pic at the top is so god damn fancy. GGs MC <3
"Thoughts are always there, the mind can't stop" - Grubby
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
June 18 2015 23:44 GMT
#40
Great job on the article, it does justice to his legacy
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 23:53:02
June 18 2015 23:52 GMT
#41
On June 19 2015 08:19 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 08:05 Zealously wrote:
On June 19 2015 08:02 -_- wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:58 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:47 -_- wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:39 stuchiu wrote:
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments_Medalists


And yet, he's never beaten the best players in the universally regarded most competitive tournaments. Sorry, but you're going to roundly mocked for that list for a long, long time.



I didn't realize Blizzcon 2014 wasn't universally regarded as a competitive tournament.


My mistake. I didn't realize he won it.


But that's not what you said. He beat Innovation and soO - the two most recent GSL finalists at the time, at Blizzcon. That means he beat the best players (or some of them) at the most highly regarded tournament of them all. Your argument falls there. If you only count when you win, I don't see the case you're making for MC being ahead of Taeja



That is not my argument. I worded my post poorly. But your interpretation (and perhaps stuchiu's) of it is literally absurd. Which should've led you to be more generous in your reading.

Did you honestly think I was stating that a SC2 player can be counted among the greatest if they beat SOME of the best players in the world at ONE competitive tournament? Without winning said tournament? Even doing this multiple times doesn't even get you in the ball park. Look at the unofficial champion post. If that was what I meant, dozens of player could call themselves all time greats.

Give me some credit. Putting Taeja near the top of any all time list is silly because he's never WON the type of tournament I described above. MC has.

What you need to realize is that far from everyone think that the list of greatest players of all time is just a list of the players with most GSL wins from most least.
A great player is much more than that, which for example this article also explains quite well. Read it, it doesn't say MC is one of the best players ever because he wins GSL. Thats not the reason, seriously if you don't get it re-read the article.

I don't understand people that think players that play in foreign countries can't be as great as players that play in korea, simply because they don't play in korea. It doesn't matter how often that they demolish koreans from korea or GSL champions. Because they don't play in GSL they obviously can't be as good. You are the one with absurd logic, where you play or that happen to not participate in a certain tournament doesn't make you worse than players that play there. Especially not if the player in question demolish them at blizzcon.
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2087 Posts
June 18 2015 23:52 GMT
#42
1 of my favorites from the biginning of sc2 when i started following the pro scene, what an awesome guy
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
June 19 2015 00:00 GMT
#43
thanks stuchiu
The Bomber boy
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
June 19 2015 00:03 GMT
#44
so sad to see him go

for me, MC is definitely on the same level as Mvp and Nestea in terms of legacy, one step above Life, Taeja, Polt.
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
June 19 2015 00:04 GMT
#45
So sad I love you MC! Obama toss
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
iViNtaGe
Profile Joined July 2012
United States254 Posts
June 19 2015 00:06 GMT
#46
Amazing writeup for an amazing player!

Farewell MC <3
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shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
June 19 2015 00:21 GMT
#47
Y eah.. i think he will be back in LotV if a good team offers him. He will still stream so I don' t think he is burned out playing sc2. Its just the current environment.
AKMU / IU
ANGELIAS1234
Profile Joined September 2011
United States46 Posts
June 19 2015 00:24 GMT
#48
T.T
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
June 19 2015 00:25 GMT
#49
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
June 19 2015 00:27 GMT
#50
One of the best, he will be missed.
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
neteX
Profile Joined April 2015
Sweden285 Posts
June 19 2015 00:29 GMT
#51
gl MC in ur future endeavors, rip!
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McNipsy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States33 Posts
June 19 2015 00:40 GMT
#52
goodbye MC ;_;7
The Fresh Prince of Jin Air
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
June 19 2015 00:52 GMT
#53
I'm with everyone who's saying he should go to HSC every now and again. A true legend and the one true ruler of Protoss
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 19 2015 01:02 GMT
#54
gl mc
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
June 19 2015 01:05 GMT
#55
One of the best protoss players imo. I remember back when he beat Innovation who I was rooting for and that made me mad haha. Always loved how he interacted with the community and tried to put himself out there, with things like casting, streaming, learning english etc... Good article overall.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
June 19 2015 01:10 GMT
#56
This is really sad. He was one of my favorite players in WOL. I hope he comes back one day.
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CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
June 19 2015 01:15 GMT
#57
Farewell MC, you were one of my StarCraft heroes. Good luck in whatever you do in life, and thank you for the memories. gg wp
4rChon
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
150 Posts
June 19 2015 01:26 GMT
#58
I still can't believe that I'll never see MC playing SC2 on-stage again. Always looked forward to his games, made me proud to be a Protoss. He carried the torch for so long. gg to one of the most well rounded player-personality the scene has ever experienced and probably ever will.
Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
June 19 2015 01:34 GMT
#59
I'm gonna miss him in the scene.
Hey man
shiroiusagi
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
June 19 2015 01:50 GMT
#60
I am gonna miss MC's presence. TT___TT

Also cool stuff if you click the photo of MC. Nice stuff V1!
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19235 Posts
June 19 2015 01:51 GMT
#61
Glhf oGsMC!!!!!
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grogburg
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
United States329 Posts
June 19 2015 02:11 GMT
#62
Great tribute article. I will miss the Boss Toss -- one of the first players whose style and storyline I was able to pick out of any given tournament, back when I watched more casually.
<3 BaseTradeTV <3
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 19 2015 02:13 GMT
#63
Thanks for the entertainment you gave us throughout your career. Good luck!
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RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
June 19 2015 02:32 GMT
#64
My first favourite player in sc2. Such a bosstoss!!
Rukis
Profile Joined April 2009
United States252 Posts
June 19 2015 02:42 GMT
#65
They probably were able to write this so quickly because they had "confidential" MC files lying around just in case. Kappa

User was warned for this post
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Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
June 19 2015 02:45 GMT
#66
MY all time favourite Sc2 player. Will be missed greatly in the scene, but I wish him the best from here on.

I don't think there will ever be a player to have the perfect combination of that brash in your face attitude mixed with the skill to be consistent throughout an entire career. It also wasn't just his brash out going personality, even with the ceremonies, swearing and dancing it never really seemed BM, maybe that is my bias but he always managed to walk the line of joking and showmanship perfectly.

The man had the aura and presence of a true legend, confident to a fault, bold and unrelenting. GG WP oGsMC, Thank you for the years of entertainment! I hope you still visit some fun tournaments like HSC and do some casting!!
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
June 19 2015 03:06 GMT
#67
I look forwards to seeing MC as president.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
phantomfive
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)404 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 03:27:03
June 19 2015 03:20 GMT
#68
On June 19 2015 07:45 Yorbon wrote:
En taro MC.

BLIZZARD NEEDS TO ADD THIS TO THEIR GAME.

Well said.
To ease another's heartache is to forget one's own - Lincoln
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
June 19 2015 03:33 GMT
#69
truly a boss.

Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
June 19 2015 03:35 GMT
#70
I don't want to sound like an MC fanboy because I'm most certainly not, but I think he accomplished much more than Taeja, who has never won anything in Korea. He's just won a multitude of 5k weekend tournaments against foreigners for the most part.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
evaunit01
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States512 Posts
June 19 2015 03:56 GMT
#71
MC NOOOOO!!!!!
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evaunit01
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States512 Posts
June 19 2015 03:57 GMT
#72
En taro MC.
Gamertag: William T. Riker - My life for Aiur!
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
June 19 2015 04:06 GMT
#73
Only Protoss to win a GSL for the first 2 years of WoL, and he won 2. What a fucking god. It's not just MC's successes that make him so impressive, it's the lack of success that every other Protoss (besides Vice President Huk) was having at the same time.
levelping
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore759 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 04:07:44
June 19 2015 04:07 GMT
#74
Sad day.

If Mvp was the mind and soul of starcraft, showing great strategic acumen and pure grit and tenacity, then MC was definitely the heart of sc2. Weep, for we have lost our heart.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
June 19 2015 04:08 GMT
#75
On June 19 2015 13:06 Cheren wrote:
Only Protoss to win a GSL for the first 2 years of WoL, and he won 2. What a fucking god. It's not just MC's successes that make him so impressive, it's the lack of success that every other Protoss (besides Vice President Huk) was having at the same time.


He didn't play macro.

He played to win.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 19 2015 04:12 GMT
#76
On June 19 2015 12:35 Shinespark wrote:
I don't want to sound like an MC fanboy because I'm most certainly not, but I think he accomplished much more than Taeja, who has never won anything in Korea. He's just won a multitude of 5k weekend tournaments against foreigners for the most part.


Should be used to articles making these statements about Taeja (I do agree with you though).
When I think of something else, something will go here
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 19 2015 04:18 GMT
#77
On June 19 2015 13:08 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 13:06 Cheren wrote:
Only Protoss to win a GSL for the first 2 years of WoL, and he won 2. What a fucking god. It's not just MC's successes that make him so impressive, it's the lack of success that every other Protoss (besides Vice President Huk) was having at the same time.


He didn't play macro.

He played to win.

the correct mindset
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IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
June 19 2015 04:49 GMT
#78
There are two ways to deal with such sad news: denial and humor. I guess, I'll choose the second one. So, what is MC's favourite language? C++? Delphi? Maybe Java?
Insert wise words here
nktiep
Profile Joined December 2010
Vietnam40 Posts
June 19 2015 05:30 GMT
#79
i hope, he can come back in lotv
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 06:00:43
June 19 2015 05:58 GMT
#80
T.T There was only one Bosstoss and now there is none.

He is one of the very few progamers if not the only one to understand the sport as entertainment and thoroughly execute it without being a pain in the ass.
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Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
June 19 2015 06:27 GMT
#81
TT forever the best Korean protoss!
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
June 19 2015 06:31 GMT
#82
On June 19 2015 07:32 -_- wrote:
"In terms of pure achievements, there are only 3 that could be even be argued to be ahead of him ever (Taeja, Life and Mvp)."

Who puts Taeja ahead MC?

And before anyone says anything, yes, I know. I'm just drawing attention to it.


People that thinks a DH is equal to a GSL and people that think money gain are nothing.

MC WAY AHEAD of TaeJa.

Hope to see hhim return someday.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Buddy168
Profile Joined June 2012
United States157 Posts
June 19 2015 06:32 GMT
#83
*MC retires*
*Streams LoL not 24 hours later*
I have never felt so betrayed.
"You're being a useless fucking asshole" - Day[9]
metric.system
Profile Joined May 2013
United States20 Posts
June 19 2015 06:44 GMT
#84
This hits me right in the feels. I'll never forget when he walked onto the stage at NASL wearing those slitted shades and doing the wrestler moves.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
June 19 2015 07:07 GMT
#85
Now that the holy trinity of legends has retired, MVP MC and Nestea it truly feels like the end of an era. Goodbye MC we are all gonna miss you.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 19 2015 07:12 GMT
#86
And the greatest entertainer, and one of the greatest players leaves the scene. MC is truly incredible to have thrived in so many different eras of Starcraft. When HotS was launched, he was the first player to play a style suitable for HotS, and not WoL + mothership core as all the other Protosses did. One of many great memories involving MC.

GL MC.
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
June 19 2015 07:17 GMT
#87
So sad to see MC go. I always got excited to see him in a tournament because he was one of the few players who really had the MVP factor- which is to say, randomly pulling off insane victories against players we thought he had no rights beating.
In Somnis Veritas
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
June 19 2015 07:18 GMT
#88
Thanks for entertaining us MC, with your skill and by sharing your personality with us. Your legend will live on!
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
Zaxon
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium209 Posts
June 19 2015 07:30 GMT
#89
He will be forever remembered...
NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
June 19 2015 07:43 GMT
#90
On June 19 2015 15:32 Buddy168 wrote:
*MC retires*
*Streams LoL not 24 hours later*
I have never felt so betrayed.

xD
Cowboy64
Profile Joined April 2015
115 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 08:26:56
June 19 2015 08:26 GMT
#91
"O Captain! my Captain! our fearful trip is done,
The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won,
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring;
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck my Captain lies,
Fallen cold and dead."

-Walt Whitman


While I was never a Protoss, I have always respected MC as a true warrior. Whatever he does in life, I hope he succeeds even half as well as he did in SC2.

We who remember, salute you!
Dekalinder
Profile Joined December 2012
Italy166 Posts
June 19 2015 08:37 GMT
#92
This is the lowest moment in my SC spectator life. Probably on par with when white-ra retired. There will be noone ever like those two anymore. The feeels man. It's a sad moment to be a fan.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
June 19 2015 09:07 GMT
#93
I like how the picture changes colour when your mouse is over it
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 19 2015 09:14 GMT
#94
oh, the hype I felt when an announcer/caster announced "oGs.. MC!" - I can still feel it
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
June 19 2015 09:19 GMT
#95
Yeah MC was/ is massive to this game...he was the one player in my opinion that seemed to win on will power alone. He could make builds work that no one else could, he would win games from positions that no one else would. He had worse mechanics than the best terrans, his micro was not as good as the best Tosses, he failed to spider macro like the best Zergs and yet he destroyed them all with his desire to overpower his opponents.

The BOSSTOSS was actually the NIETZCHEAN TOSS!!!
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
June 19 2015 10:21 GMT
#96
On June 19 2015 15:32 Buddy168 wrote:
*MC retires*
*Streams LoL not 24 hours later*
I have never felt so betrayed.

Why? Would you feel better if he streamed Heroes of the Storm? I don't see why when SC2 player plays Heroes it's just fine but when it's LoL people start to loose their minds. Blizzard-centrism or anti-LoLism?

imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 10:28:24
June 19 2015 10:28 GMT
#97
On June 19 2015 13:12 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 12:35 Shinespark wrote:
I don't want to sound like an MC fanboy because I'm most certainly not, but I think he accomplished much more than Taeja, who has never won anything in Korea. He's just won a multitude of 5k weekend tournaments against foreigners for the most part.


Should be used to articles making these statements about Taeja (I do agree with you though).


looked at TaeJa's wins. He sucked at preparing, not at playing vs top tier players.
Zest fanboy.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 19 2015 10:51 GMT
#98
On June 19 2015 18:14 marvellosity wrote:
oh, the hype I felt when an announcer/caster announced "oGs.. MC!" - I can still feel it

I agree. Nothing quite like the good old days, the golden age of Starcraft 2.
looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
June 19 2015 10:57 GMT
#99
You will be missed. But hopefully we'll see you streaming often and well into the future. Nobody knows what LotV will bring either! Until we meet again, Long live the Boss Toss!
"The kingdom of the heavens is buried treasure. Would you sell yourself to buy the one you've found?" - Jon Foreman ('Your Love Is Strong' - Spring EP)
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
June 19 2015 10:58 GMT
#100
On June 19 2015 19:21 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 15:32 Buddy168 wrote:
*MC retires*
*Streams LoL not 24 hours later*
I have never felt so betrayed.

Why? Would you feel better if he streamed Heroes of the Storm? I don't see why when SC2 player plays Heroes it's just fine but when it's LoL people start to loose their minds. Blizzard-centrism or anti-LoLism?


Yes
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
937 Posts
June 19 2015 11:02 GMT
#101
On June 19 2015 13:49 IAmWithStupid wrote:
There are two ways to deal with such sad news: denial and humor. I guess, I'll choose the second one. So, what is MC's favourite language? C++? Delphi? Maybe Java?


Wat
:3
NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
June 19 2015 11:12 GMT
#102
On June 19 2015 19:21 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 15:32 Buddy168 wrote:
*MC retires*
*Streams LoL not 24 hours later*
I have never felt so betrayed.

Why? Would you feel better if he streamed Heroes of the Storm? I don't see why when SC2 player plays Heroes it's just fine but when it's LoL people start to loose their minds. Blizzard-centrism or anti-LoLism?


Because everyone treats Heroes of the Storm like a joke that it is. Who cares if someone decides to waste time on that?
But when people play LoL you can actually feel bitter.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
June 19 2015 11:49 GMT
#103
I don't like this expression as I think it's used too often... but it feels truly like the end of an era.

Farewell, MC.
LiquipediaWanderer
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
June 19 2015 12:42 GMT
#104
On June 19 2015 20:12 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 19:21 nimdil wrote:
On June 19 2015 15:32 Buddy168 wrote:
*MC retires*
*Streams LoL not 24 hours later*
I have never felt so betrayed.

Why? Would you feel better if he streamed Heroes of the Storm? I don't see why when SC2 player plays Heroes it's just fine but when it's LoL people start to loose their minds. Blizzard-centrism or anti-LoLism?


Because everyone treats Heroes of the Storm like a joke that it is. Who cares if someone decides to waste time on that?
But when people play LoL you can actually feel bitter.

Would you feel bitter if he played Dota2 or Smite? What about Witcher3?
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
June 19 2015 12:55 GMT
#105
I've been always wondering how MC goes out, and this couldn't reflect him any better: spontaneous, quick and painless. Though I'm not so sure about the pain part... he was such a unique guy in this scene.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
June 19 2015 13:02 GMT
#106
Farewell MC. I never considered you as the best player out there. But you were successful, you won GSL and you played for the wins. You played macro games if that had to be. You were entertaining in the game and in the interview after. You will leave a scar on my heart the same way MVP did. I hope Parting will do his best to replace you, I haven't found the new "MVP" yet

I will miss you, this is a huge loss

Enjoy whatever you will do next Maybe singing contest? :-)
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
umelbumel
Profile Joined January 2011
2026 Posts
June 19 2015 13:14 GMT
#107
Byebye MC. You will be missed. One of my favourite players of all time.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
June 19 2015 13:32 GMT
#108
I'd dare to say that while MC wasn't the best SC2 player ever, he was the most important one.
SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France897 Posts
June 19 2015 13:36 GMT
#109
One of my best moment of MC!!!! Who the hell could did that? Expect him? <3 MC Bosstoss is a legend!

Stephano and Clem enjoyer
Desplice
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany14 Posts
June 19 2015 14:45 GMT
#110
Sad to see him go. Always enjoyed watching his games.

Off Topic:
I never bothered to look at the figures before but it was convenient to do so right now. The most successful player in SC2 history (in terms of income) made just short of 100 000 USD a year. Most other progamers very likely make a lot less. The hours they have to put in to stay on top likely exceed those in most common jobs by far. Going to university and getting a "real job" still looks like the easier path to making a living, even for those with enough talent for a gaming career.
tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
June 19 2015 14:51 GMT
#111
On June 19 2015 19:28 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 13:12 blade55555 wrote:
On June 19 2015 12:35 Shinespark wrote:
I don't want to sound like an MC fanboy because I'm most certainly not, but I think he accomplished much more than Taeja, who has never won anything in Korea. He's just won a multitude of 5k weekend tournaments against foreigners for the most part.


Should be used to articles making these statements about Taeja (I do agree with you though).


looked at TaeJa's wins. He sucked at preparing, not at playing vs top tier players.

There are plenty of other threads where it broke down to taeja hating/taeja defending/taeja comparing ect. Let's keep this one to just appreciating MC's career without rehashing an argument that has been had way to many times and never comes to a conclusion because it is very subjective.
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 14:53:32
June 19 2015 14:53 GMT
#112
On June 19 2015 15:32 Buddy168 wrote:
*MC retires*
*Streams LoL not 24 hours later*
I have never felt so betrayed.


MC has always played LoL

Liquipedia"Expert"
dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
June 19 2015 14:59 GMT
#113
On June 19 2015 07:18 tshi wrote:
One of the funniest moments from MC that I can I remember:

https://youtu.be/O1DUw0PKt6Y


Good luck in your future endeavors!


Hahahaha yes
Potassium Gang
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
June 19 2015 15:19 GMT
#114
On June 19 2015 23:45 Desplice wrote:
Sad to see him go. Always enjoyed watching his games.

Off Topic:
I never bothered to look at the figures before but it was convenient to do so right now. The most successful player in SC2 history (in terms of income) made just short of 100 000 USD a year. Most other progamers very likely make a lot less. The hours they have to put in to stay on top likely exceed those in most common jobs by far. Going to university and getting a "real job" still looks like the easier path to making a living, even for those with enough talent for a gaming career.


Of course. I recall Kuro (Dota2) elaborated on this that i.e. Na'Vi salary while maybe respectable in Ukraine, was definitely not respectable in Germany and generally in the long term it would be more profitable to just study, get a degree and start cracking.

There are also some middle ground cases - i.e. Nerchio (currently sitting just under 130k$) is studying as well, currently on 2nd year of Computer Engineering. Similarly qxc - I believe - has a degree in Computer Science. I have no idea what Polt is studying but he is doing s.t. Then there's Stephano etc.

Also there are other questions. Are these players smart enough to pursue professional non-esport related career with good earning potential? I'd say that for some of them - no. Smart SC2 player doesn't necessarily mean smart engineer.

Other aspects - where are you living. Obviously some people are living in rich countries - i.e. Norway - but if you live in i.e. Ukraine the situation is different. On average people in Ukraine earn 20 times less than in Norway so the opportunities that esport is generating are also different. 100$ weekly is not really that big of a deal in the Norway, but on Ukraine it's over half of monthly average wage.
To put it into perspective - White-Ra earned just under 50k$ in SC2. That's - by Ukraine's average - just over 25 years of working.
Snute - on the other hand - earned just under 150k$ in SC2. That's - by Norway average - worth just under 4 years of working.

Then there are other advantages. For example if you make a big enough splash on the scene and get a contract with good team, you have opportunity to travel a lot and see how entertainment looks like and works from behind the scenes. This might or might not be helpful in the future. Also you can potentially transition into working position like ToD with the industry. Generally if you are not promising progamer by the end of high school, you can stop dreaming and start studying. And if you delay your studies for ~3 years it's not the end of the world, especially if you earn some money in the mean time. I read some time ago that it's popular in some countries to take a break from education between high school and studies anyway, so esport is decent proposition for such period.

There are probably other factors as well but even this should show that's a bit more complicated than simple comparison of numbers.

TemujinGK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States483 Posts
June 19 2015 15:35 GMT
#115
An unceremonious exit there MC. Thanks for bringing variety to the PvX matchups, even if it meant the rise of the 2 base allins.
"Pikachu and Protoss are both yellow, Coincidence?" ~apexMorroW
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
June 19 2015 15:43 GMT
#116
I wish him the best luck for whatever he is doing next. He is a legend for StarCraft.
Myrddraal
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia937 Posts
June 19 2015 15:53 GMT
#117
I haven't watched much Starcraft for ages but this still makes me sad to hear, so many good memories. Good luck in the future MC.
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Lappen.464
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany42 Posts
June 19 2015 16:02 GMT
#118
Goodbye MC.
I remember the time, when he put a forcefield between the main and the natural. Other players did that too, but noone played it like MC.
Or when he casted Homestorycup.
Or his agressive games in the early GSL.
Or his dt's against naniwas dancing army

And hell, he knows how to do a show. He plays like a top korean and makes a show like a WWC wrestler.

Its really sad to see him go. Unfortunately this is just how sc2 is going these days.

I would like to read a "best of MC" article or something. With his best games an most important moments.
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain880 Posts
June 19 2015 16:26 GMT
#119
On June 19 2015 22:32 nimdil wrote:
I'd dare to say that while MC wasn't the best SC2 player ever, he was the most important one.

So true
My life for Aiur. You got a piece of me, baby. IIIIIIiiiiiii.
absinthfee
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany718 Posts
June 19 2015 17:04 GMT
#120
On June 20 2015 01:26 Xamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 22:32 nimdil wrote:
I'd dare to say that while MC wasn't the best SC2 player ever, he was the most important one.

So true

I am torn between MC and MVP.

Farewell MC.
shadowy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria305 Posts
June 19 2015 17:11 GMT
#121
Farewell, Min Chul. It certainly was a journey.
[Fear the leather Gracket!] // ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ // Liquid'Hero hwaiting!
LA_Morello
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil143 Posts
June 19 2015 18:28 GMT
#122
I created this video almost 3 years ago. I'm speechless.
UnReaLVali
Profile Joined October 2011
10 Posts
June 19 2015 18:34 GMT
#123
Because of MC, I started watching professional starcraft competitions. His style was incomparable. I loved his aggression, and I loved him as a person on and off the stage. He knew what entertaining was all about. And if this game wants to grow needs more players like him! He was true champion wining much, much more then some starcraft tournaments and money. At least he won my heart! So thank you MC! And God bless your future!
MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
June 19 2015 18:42 GMT
#124
Damn! Best of luck, MC! You will be missed.
BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
June 19 2015 18:58 GMT
#125
goodbye and goodluck MC thanks for all the amazing games!
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
June 19 2015 19:37 GMT
#126
Sad news, but I wish him the very best for the future.
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 19:44:56
June 19 2015 19:42 GMT
#127


my most vivid memory of mc ;p

also this crowd compared to the 2-3 guys clapping and doing weird noises during wcs matches makes me sad
ESPORTS ILLUMINATI
BernabusStarcraft2
Profile Joined September 2012
Scotland112 Posts
June 19 2015 20:03 GMT
#128
baller
Bling. MC. DeMusliM. EG.
NET
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States703 Posts
June 19 2015 20:39 GMT
#129
BossToss will come back, at the very least as a dragoon. Thanks for the greats memories MC!
"Dark Templar are the saviors of the Protoss Race." -Artosis
NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
June 19 2015 20:40 GMT
#130
On June 19 2015 23:45 Desplice wrote:
Sad to see him go. Always enjoyed watching his games.

Off Topic:
I never bothered to look at the figures before but it was convenient to do so right now. The most successful player in SC2 history (in terms of income) made just short of 100 000 USD a year. Most other progamers very likely make a lot less. The hours they have to put in to stay on top likely exceed those in most common jobs by far. Going to university and getting a "real job" still looks like the easier path to making a living, even for those with enough talent for a gaming career.


They also get paid salary and they get money from streaming. Also you really should not be comparing the money you get from competing to what you get from working. Be it sports or esports people do it for the passion, not the money. Nobody should ever start competing in anything just for the money.
MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-19 21:26:27
June 19 2015 21:24 GMT
#131
One of the smartest and all-rounded progamers around retires with lots of cash and lots of money.
Never been a particular fan of his playstyle, but I never wrote him out as a candidate for 1st place in any tournament he stepped into, either.

I'll always remember GSL season 3, when he was supposed to sweep it all out to be then stopped by Jinro, unexpectedly.
Four years later he retires after having achieved like basically no one else in Sc2 except for a few selected superhumans.


Random memories that went through my mind just before clicking on the "post" button:
-MC eating something disgusting (iirc Nutella-based) at Homestory Cup
-Various attics like smashing some kind of dojo board at the old GOM studio, the Murloc suit and he saying "bitch please" (which didn't struck me that much since Fruitdealer had done something similar at an IEM, iirc)
-The brief moment when he and Huk were actually tied in PvP prowess
-MC vs Idra on Metalopolis at some of the early MLGs... on a retrospect I feel that Idra had all the rights to be pissed off with the Protoss race during that time.
-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsXdjSj7jbc
-MC catching a thief in France
-More experienced users will correct me if I'm wrong, but if I recall correctly some progamer had said that MC was actually a real bro and went to give money to someone in need. Maybe during his stay at the oGs house?
-His cute girlfriend

...man, I've written that I'm not that much of a fan of his play, but the longer I write, the longer I realise how he was influential in my personal Sc2 fanboyish experience.
Godspeed, Jang Min Chul, the Starcraft scene won't be the same without you and your wagons of money/trophies.
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
June 19 2015 22:01 GMT
#132
I was also surprised by the lackluster farewell, which felt not only a bit untypical. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of MC, although I doubt he'll do a Taeja and call it quits a regular basis.

Was it MC who called Goody "Supply block terran"? We could do with more of that kind of creativity in the scene.

Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
June 19 2015 22:08 GMT
#133
On June 20 2015 03:28 LA_Morello wrote:
I created this video almost 3 years ago. I'm speechless.


Oh god, how have I never seen this before, I would have posted it every time MC won a series.
In Somnis Veritas
MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
June 19 2015 22:36 GMT
#134
On June 20 2015 07:08 Pursuit_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2015 03:28 LA_Morello wrote:
I created this video almost 3 years ago. I'm speechless.


Oh god, how have I never seen this before, I would have posted it every time MC won a series.

Oh God, I can't believe I had forgot MC's pelvic trust at HSC!
I hadn't see the video as well, btw... nice job, LA_Morello
Your Opinion has been counted. Only 3 more Opinions needed for a reddit thread.
zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States455 Posts
June 19 2015 23:02 GMT
#135
My favorite mc moment was when he crumpled up and ate a photograph of cj hero before playing against him. The guy is a legend and I hope he will continue to be active in the community as a commentator or coach or anything. Such a sad thing to see him go...
robice
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Germany114 Posts
June 19 2015 23:13 GMT
#136
Believe your eyes, this is reality. Unfortunately Starcraft2 is close to dead. Although it is a very good game, it couldnt come close to Starcraft1 relative to E-Sports.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 20 2015 01:01 GMT
#137
Truly a titan.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-20 01:08:57
June 20 2015 01:08 GMT
#138
Here to pay my respects to the actual embodiment of protoss aggression. When this guy makes his mind up to attack, you just feel sorry for whoever it is he is playing against.

Best of luck from here on out, Min Chul
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Demosthenes13
Profile Joined December 2011
United States22 Posts
June 20 2015 02:24 GMT
#139
My favorite player, I know it's selfish, but I really don't wanna see him leave
Don't let school get in the way of your education ~Twain
Pegas
Profile Joined April 2012
Romania211 Posts
June 20 2015 08:24 GMT
#140
Bye Iron, gonna miss ya - times change is only natural .

Will always remember this as one of my favourite moments:

[image loading]
As a rule, men worry more about what they can't see than about what they can
Mallidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Scotland557 Posts
June 20 2015 10:14 GMT
#141
MC no
Bleh.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
June 20 2015 12:59 GMT
#142
I think, given his English skills, MC would make a great addition to the casting team for GSL. I'm not sure if he'd be well received by the Proleague or SSL management - he's always lived his life on the edge and they seem more conservative.

No matter what, I don't think MC will completely disappear from the community - like all past Presidents, he needs to see to his library and support a worthy cause. And of course, there are no term limits... he could return to run again.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-20 13:38:03
June 20 2015 13:34 GMT
#143
On June 20 2015 08:13 robice wrote:
Believe your eyes, this is reality. Unfortunately Starcraft2 is close to dead. Although it is a very good game, it couldnt come close to Starcraft1 relative to E-Sports.



screenshot from his afreeca stream today
http://play.afreeca.com/jmc06170
[image loading]
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-20 13:37:48
June 20 2015 13:37 GMT
#144
double post sry
OpTiKAiTech
Profile Joined April 2012
United States65 Posts
June 20 2015 14:17 GMT
#145
MC was fun to watch.
Reason is the natural order of truth; but imagination is the organ of meaning.
FraNKzZ
Profile Joined May 2010
Spain41 Posts
June 20 2015 15:33 GMT
#146
Good luck MC, will miss you in tournaments..
MattRz
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile1680 Posts
June 20 2015 16:37 GMT
#147
sad, but good luck BossToss.
Thanks for everything
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ♞
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
June 20 2015 16:50 GMT
#148
Damn, GG BOSSTOSS. Remember watching him play in several tournaments. Shame he is retiring. Wondering if he will be back for the LoTV
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
June 20 2015 17:53 GMT
#149
No one will ever replace MC- I wish him all the best in the future!
The universe created an audience for itself.
trumpetarn
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden32 Posts
June 20 2015 18:38 GMT
#150
GG Bosstoss. You Will be missed
skylinefan
Profile Joined November 2014
Malaysia53 Posts
June 20 2015 21:24 GMT
#151
Bye bye mc...thanx for the memories~~!
HerO l JaeDong l Flash
Fran_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1024 Posts
June 20 2015 21:56 GMT
#152
Best of luck, BossToss.
DaFoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States68 Posts
June 20 2015 21:59 GMT
#153
Thank you for the games MC, we will miss you from the SC2 competitive scene. Hope to see what the next chapter in his life is. Good luck!!
Hanna
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany43 Posts
June 20 2015 22:03 GMT
#154
He could at least fill it up to 500.000$
WCS is like allowing Premier League football teams in the Korean football league... only, the other way around!
Matte3D
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden26 Posts
June 20 2015 22:49 GMT
#155
My life for the bosstoss to be back :'(
Oroch
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium143 Posts
June 20 2015 23:53 GMT
#156
Nice article.

Best of luck, thanks for the games!
fireforce7
Profile Joined June 2010
United States334 Posts
June 21 2015 02:15 GMT
#157
farewell to the boss toss...i didn't realize he made that much prize winnings! Good luck to him and his future.
I'm terranfying
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
June 21 2015 03:16 GMT
#158
This is some really sad news. Maybe I missed it, but why did he retire?
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Drock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States305 Posts
June 21 2015 04:00 GMT
#159
MC, what a legacy. You can be extremely proud.
I kinda miss Idra...
Hularuns
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom37 Posts
June 21 2015 08:25 GMT
#160
wow.
k
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
June 21 2015 08:29 GMT
#161
Wasn't MC pretty much terrible in BW? (compared to other kespa guys of course) I wonder how he's going to do in BW now.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
June 21 2015 08:54 GMT
#162
I'm not exactly a big fan of MC, but this feels weird. He's been a staple part of the scene since beta even, if I'm not mistaken. He will definitely be missed!
JCoto
Profile Joined October 2014
Spain574 Posts
June 21 2015 09:31 GMT
#163
MC taught us about being dirty protoss. The master will be missed
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
June 21 2015 12:34 GMT
#164
Haven't gotten to check TL in awhile and this is what I find . Good luck MC!
ArtistenSc2
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden53 Posts
June 21 2015 18:35 GMT
#165
ohh this is hard, such a strong character and fun to watch,
a crowd-pleaser and always up for a challenge!
Thanks for all, MC !!
best foreigner ever, Naniwa, WB!!
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-21 18:53:30
June 21 2015 18:53 GMT
#166


LoL career now?
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
June 21 2015 19:09 GMT
#167
Sad to see MC go, but I wish the best for him.

He was one of the most entertaining SC personalities.
Nihn'kas Neehn
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
June 21 2015 20:21 GMT
#168
On June 22 2015 03:53 darkness wrote:
https://twitter.com/streamerMC/status/611751551799984128

LoL career now?

I think he is just streaming shit for fun now and to make a little bit more $$ I highly doubt he will switch to LoL or any other E-sport.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 21 2015 23:10 GMT
#169
On June 22 2015 03:53 darkness wrote:
https://twitter.com/streamerMC/status/611751551799984128

LoL career now?

Almost certainly not. He seems to have retired due to a lack of confidence + no team, so he probably isn't switching.
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yellowdrug
Profile Joined June 2013
Korea (South)33 Posts
June 22 2015 02:13 GMT
#170
MC was One of Best Protoss
Good Bye & See you Another
do terran-Park "TT" sung hoon
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
June 22 2015 07:14 GMT
#171
Another sad defeat for Starcraft.
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
June 22 2015 07:46 GMT
#172
No one can be argued to be ahead of him in terms of achievements, he is number one in prize money.
So sad to see him leave T_T :`(
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
June 22 2015 11:53 GMT
#173
god is dead
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Lappen.464
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany42 Posts
June 22 2015 13:33 GMT
#174
Soon he is out of the top news... It is a cruel world...
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
June 22 2015 15:24 GMT
#175
Gnight!
the farm ends here
orllyfools
Profile Joined May 2012
United States153 Posts
June 22 2015 23:18 GMT
#176
Damn Boss toss we will miss you!
Squitle-MC-Parting-Major-Polt
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
June 23 2015 01:44 GMT
#177
On June 22 2015 08:10 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2015 03:53 darkness wrote:
https://twitter.com/streamerMC/status/611751551799984128

LoL career now?

Almost certainly not. He seems to have retired due to a lack of confidence + no team, so he probably isn't switching.


lets get him on hearthstone then
WackaAlpaca
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada208 Posts
June 23 2015 22:52 GMT
#178
MC good luck, always been a fan. Always will be.

MC HWAITING!
"
e4e5nf3
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada599 Posts
June 25 2015 00:15 GMT
#179
It saddens me that we are seeing careers start and end before SC2 is even complete (there is one more expansion to go). Has it been 5 years already?
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