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[S2SL] Ro8 Day 2: The Unusual Suspects - S2 2015

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[S2SL] Ro8 Day 2: The Unusual Suspects - S2 2015

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May 27th, 2015 22:28 GMT
2014 WCS

SBENU SC2 Starleague 2015 Season 2



S2SL Ro8
Classic vs ByuL
Stats vs Zest

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Starcraft II Starleague

Classic vs ByuL

Thursday, May 14 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)
by Destructicon

The clash between ByuL and Classic is that of two players who haven't been in a final for a very, long time, and while the ultimate goal for both of them is the championship, a win has different meanings for them. And so it should for this is a classic clash between two players with totally different origin stories, struggles and challenges, but who somehow seemed to have ended up in a very similar place.

(Z)ByuL is the long standing veteran heading into his match, yet he hasn't a single gold to his name. His story is that of a Sisyphean struggle, one that many Korean pro gamers endure. Since 2012 on Fnatic he grinded, season after hard season, to try and make a name for himself. He was recognized as a promising individual that was held back by nerves. When Fnatic pulled the plug on their Korean division ByuL switched to IM, the team that had produced many champions before. Slowly he started shedding his nerves, becoming a regular for the team in GSTL and making deeper runs each season. His switch to WCS NA was quite successful, making a final appearance in Season 2 of 2013. When IM announced they'd be joining PL, ByuL sacrificed his personal success to aid his team by returning to Korea. He was IM's strongest player for that season, getting a respectable 18-11 record. Still it wasn't enough for IM to produce the miracle it needed and its SC2 division closed. However ByuL's talents had not gone unnoticed and he was picked up by CJ. Now after months of training and playing for them, the results he had craved for so long are finally showing, qualifying for both GSL and S2SL and making deep runs in both. This is the first playoff stage he has been in years, and while he has proven to be competent in Bo1's and group stages, he is relatively inexperienced in BO5, at least compared to his opponent.

While (P)Classic has been a BW pro for many years, in SC2 he is the newcomer. He switched over with his former team STX Soul in 2013 and initially as a Terran. However as time went on Classic struggled, and he realized that SC2 Protoss was much more similar to BW Terran in terms of play style, so he made the switch. After his switch the results started coming in too, and Classic became a key player in STX's Proleague run, which they eventually won. However with STX going under, Classic was briefly left teamless. SKT1 however saw his potential and snapped him up before anyone else could. On SKT1 Classic's situation changed, no longer was he a key player as the star studded team was having trouble fielding all their top players. Unable to make himself stand out in the team league, Classic did it the only way he could, by doing well in individual leagues. He made a Ro16 in the first GSL of 2014, falling victim to a vicious PvP group that included his team mates Rain and PartinG. However Classic's fortunes would change next season as he faced Paralyze in the Ro8, narrowly defeated Maru in the Ro4 and then took down his team mate soO in the grand final. However, Classic had the misfortune of winning during the Blink era, and as soon as he fell in the Ro32 of next season's GSL, people were quick to dismiss his results. Classic remained consistent in other areas, making a Ro4 in the first KeSPA Cup and then a Ro4 at Blizzcon. His 2015 results have in no way been bad, with a Ro16 in the NSSL and RO8 at IEM Taipei, but they aren't up to the standards of a GSL Champion. Still Classic has shown he is exceptionally clever on top of being good at planning for Bo5s and Bo7s, and he'll need to bring that skill to bear here and now.

Overall thoughts and predictions.

Both players have been through a lot and both have many reasons to want this victory. For ByuL a RO4 and eventually a GSL finals or even win would bring validation for all his years as a pro gamer, for Classic it would be a reaffirmation of his skill, a statement that his GSL win wasn't predicated solely on the balance of the time. Skill wise both should be pretty evenly matched, they have both defeated pretty good players of the opposing race, but lost to the upper echelon players of Protoss and Zerg respectively. In the end it comes down to ByuL's current streak and form vs Classic's experience and I'm going to go with the safe bet.

(Z)ByuL 2 - 3 (P)Classic

Stats vs Zest


by The_Templar

The second match of the evening puts together two long-standing competitors from KT with radically different results. While one was a well-known veteran in Brood War who had a slow restart after the switch, the other had no attention in his moderately long Starcraft career until 2014, where he exploded into GSL and became one of the first royal roaders. Although the two have both been around for years, they currently find themselves at different points in their careers; the champion has fallen sharply since his stunning 2014 year, and it’s almost a surprise that he made it back into Starleague playoffs so quickly, while the longer-standing pro is finally getting long-overdue attention from recent accomplishments.

In the 2014 era of improving Protoss players, (P)Stats, the seasoned pro from Brood War, was left behind. Dear and Zest led the race to their first GSLs since MC was in contention, and other players quickly did their best to follow their example. PartinG made the Grand Finals of the subsequent Global Championship, losing out only to fellow Protoss Zest. Internationally, herO and sOs conquered IEM, while lesser Protoss players made strong runs in WCS. Even Classic managed to surprise everyone with his GSL win the next season. By the time Stats finally came to make a mark on SC2 history, more than enough rising players had been recognized and he was constantly overlooked as a normal pro without a title despite his Proleague and BW accomplishments. The first sign that Stats was becoming a force to be reckoned with was his patient and well-played victory over Soulkey in a macro game to start off the Proleague finals, a promising set that was largely ignored in favor of KT’s eventual victory. It wasn’t until the end of the year that Stats finally drew attention to himself by reaching his first playoffs, where he lost to soO in the quarterfinals. This impressive performance could have easily been overlooked, but he took it a step further last season by reaching the round of 4. Although a title is unlikely, a repeat semifinals appearance, an accomplishment that few have ever mirrored, would earn him the recognition he deserves at last.

The other KT Protoss in this match, (P)Zest, has maintained an extraordinarily different career. Instead of being left behind, he led the Protoss race and became the undisputed champion out of all of them for a year. His play, the embodiment of theoretical perfection, was an inspiration for other safe players when the blink era reached its bitter end. Even the staunchest anti-fan could hardly downplay his achievements over the year, either, as he took three Korean titles and nearly accomplished a fourth at IEM Toronto. While he remained the model of his race for longer than almost any man could have claimed to, he had to fall eventually. His descent came against Life at the WCS World Championship, and the end came quickly. Somehow, this one failure pervaded every part of his victories, and the best Protoss of the year disappeared for over three months after failing to qualify for either Starleague. His redemption came from an unlikely source. Even though his accomplishments had originated in Korea, it took an IEM seed to bring Zest back. Even there, Zest looked like some disfigured shadow of himself from last year as he made uncharacteristic, horrific mistakes, particularly against INnoVation, on his way to an unexpected title. Additionally, he has somehow crawled back from his loss to TANGTANG in the GSL qualifiers to defeat relatively decent players and make it here, Zest’s only other result since his downfall. A semifinals result here would suggest that the IEM championship wasn’t a surprise from a failing champion, but the beginning of a comeback.

Overall thoughts and predictions.

Zest is the dark horse left in this tournament. With the remaining players having a somewhat known form at the moment, he’s the only one left with conflicting results, and his play has been both poor and enough to win a championship recently. His PvP record, muddled with losses to herO, who was off form in PvP, and Creator, don’t help to clear these conflicting results up. As his teammate and opponent has cleared two PvP groups in the last two seasons of the S2SL, Zest clearly needs to be capable of playing a longer series against a rising player who likely knows him well. This is a factor which does not favor the former champion and his previously perfect, as well as exploitable, play.

(P)Stats 3-1 (P)Zest

Writers: Destructicon, The_Templar.
Graphics: shiroiusagi.
Editors: DarkLordOlli.
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 27 2015 22:52 GMT
#2
I believe if Stats beats Zest in a Bo5 he is a real competitor, and a real man.

I doubt it though.
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
May 27 2015 22:53 GMT
#3
Zest 3-0 Stats. Stats is overrated and his bubble will pop soon.

Classic 3-2 Byul. I don't like both. They are both overrated but Classic is a GSL champion and he knows how to win against Zergs that the public overrates at that specific moment, which was soO.
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 27 2015 22:55 GMT
#4
On May 28 2015 07:53 swag_bro wrote:
Zest 3-0 Stats. Stats is overrated and his bubble will pop soon.

Classic 3-2 Byul. I don't like both. They are both overrated but Classic is a GSL champion and he knows how to win against Zergs that the public overrates at that specific moment, which was soO.



are you just quoting me or trolling me? I'm not sure if I like you anymore :s
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
May 27 2015 22:55 GMT
#5
On May 28 2015 07:53 swag_bro wrote:
Zest 3-0 Stats. Stats is overrated and his bubble will pop soon.

So, he's referred to as underrated so often he's overrated?
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 27 2015 22:56 GMT
#6
Awesome, ByuL has obtained the TL blessing.

(P)Classic 0-3 (Z)ByuL
(P)Zest 3-2 (P)Stats
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-27 23:05:24
May 27 2015 23:05 GMT
#7
Here's my predictions anyway:

(P)Zest 3-1 (P)Stats
(P)Classic 3-2 (Z)ByuL

Classic is a pretty underrated, crafty player with big stage experience. I'm taking a risk on that one. Zest should win handily if Stats is the player I think he still is.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 27 2015 23:08 GMT
#8
On May 28 2015 07:52 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I believe if Stats beats Zest in a Bo5 he is a real competitor, and a real man.

I doubt it though.

Stats's PL record makes him a real man.
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
May 27 2015 23:10 GMT
#9
On May 28 2015 08:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 07:52 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I believe if Stats beats Zest in a Bo5 he is a real competitor, and a real man.

I doubt it though.

Stats's PL record makes him a real man.

They'll always share one thing in common:
Being equally useless against Maru.
Writermaru pls
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 27 2015 23:11 GMT
#10
On May 28 2015 08:10 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 08:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
On May 28 2015 07:52 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I believe if Stats beats Zest in a Bo5 he is a real competitor, and a real man.

I doubt it though.

Stats's PL record makes him a real man.

They'll always share one thing in common:
Being equally useless against Maru.


I think Zest is pretty good against Maru, even if he's lost quite a bit. He is very close.

But obviously Stats do not reflect that, it's only my opinion
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
May 27 2015 23:14 GMT
#11
On May 28 2015 08:10 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 08:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
On May 28 2015 07:52 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I believe if Stats beats Zest in a Bo5 he is a real competitor, and a real man.

I doubt it though.

Stats's PL record makes him a real man.

They'll always share one thing in common:
Being equally useless against Maru.

"Useless against Maru" is a pretty broad term.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 27 2015 23:15 GMT
#12
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Byul is going to do dirty things to Classic. Stats will probably beat Zest I guess
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
May 27 2015 23:15 GMT
#13
On May 28 2015 08:11 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 08:10 Soularion wrote:
On May 28 2015 08:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
On May 28 2015 07:52 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I believe if Stats beats Zest in a Bo5 he is a real competitor, and a real man.

I doubt it though.

Stats's PL record makes him a real man.

They'll always share one thing in common:
Being equally useless against Maru.


I think Zest is pretty good against Maru, even if he's lost quite a bit. He is very close.

But obviously Stats do not reflect that, it's only my opinion

Fun fact - Zest vs Maru is actually equally one sided as PartinG vs Maru. They're both 8-3 favoring the stomper all-time, albeit Maru is 3-2 in the past 5 while Zest is 0-5 in the past 5. [Two losses for Maru are also in WoL, while Zest is 1-1 with Maru before becoming good :p]
Writermaru pls
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
May 27 2015 23:18 GMT
#14
On May 28 2015 08:15 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 08:11 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On May 28 2015 08:10 Soularion wrote:
On May 28 2015 08:08 IntoTheheart wrote:
On May 28 2015 07:52 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I believe if Stats beats Zest in a Bo5 he is a real competitor, and a real man.

I doubt it though.

Stats's PL record makes him a real man.

They'll always share one thing in common:
Being equally useless against Maru.


I think Zest is pretty good against Maru, even if he's lost quite a bit. He is very close.

But obviously Stats do not reflect that, it's only my opinion

Fun fact - Zest vs Maru is actually equally one sided as PartinG vs Maru. They're both 8-3 favoring the stomper all-time, albeit Maru is 3-2 in the past 5 while Zest is 0-5 in the past 5. [Two losses for Maru are also in WoL, while Zest is 1-1 with Maru before becoming good :p]


Yeah, its certainly fair enough to point out. I believe Zest's PvT only gets better, and someday maybe he will be back to his form in 2014.

It's also true that people tend to judge the merit of someone only by their results, and not the content of their play. If you pay attention to Zest's PvT and his play against Maru, he shows tremendous improvement and their is real ability underneath his unimpressive results.

I'm just a hated forum troll now, but I wish people would at least recognize this
grogburg
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
United States329 Posts
May 27 2015 23:38 GMT
#15
"Although a title is unlikely [for Stats]..."

If herO beats Dream in the semis I think Stats will take the whole thing.
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Ja.Y.
Profile Joined February 2015
United States253 Posts
May 27 2015 23:43 GMT
#16
I honestly believe Classic can be one of the best Protoss in the world if he can keep his nerves in check. He has shown, in my opinion, amazing play when he has his nerves in check and doing well in the practice house and results are showing. ByuL is ByuL, I'm not a big fan of him.

While I never like team kills, if Zest is in form, I think his 2014 dominance is a lot better than Stats will ever be. I'm not saying that Stats will never amount to what Zest was, but I don't think Stats has reached that peak yet.
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1919 Posts
May 28 2015 01:05 GMT
#17
To me stats is the most solid well-rounded player since 2013-14 soO. By that I mean he doesn't do anything too extreme or flashy, but he has a wide variety of builds he can execute in a bo1/3/5 etc. Stats doesn't seem to get shaken by the big stage and his proleague results are beyond impressive. I think Zest is on the upswing again and his best days may not be behind him, but I think Stats will win this one 3-1 with the kind of solid, reliable, unremarkable play we have come to expect from him.
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swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
May 28 2015 02:34 GMT
#18
On May 28 2015 07:55 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 07:53 swag_bro wrote:
Zest 3-0 Stats. Stats is overrated and his bubble will pop soon.

So, he's referred to as underrated so often he's overrated?


Severely overrated. Ever since that lucky all kill, he thinks he's the best player in the world with sly passive-aggressive remarks towards his own skill level. Casters and community members also treat him like he's the Life or Maru of Protoss or something. I thought Parting was overrated but this kid? lol just lol
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kidleaderr
Profile Joined April 2013
366 Posts
May 28 2015 02:40 GMT
#19
classic is going to get destroyed

Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
May 28 2015 02:46 GMT
#20
Classic and Zest
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yellowdrug
Profile Joined June 2013
Korea (South)33 Posts
May 28 2015 02:56 GMT
#21
my expections is

(P)Classic 2-3 (Z)ByuL
(P)Zest 3-2 (P)Stats

Stats hadn't been Overrated,Please Refer SPL statistics
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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3467 Posts
May 28 2015 07:24 GMT
#22
I like Classic s play but byul s from CJ so I have to cheer for him!
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
May 28 2015 07:36 GMT
#23
3-2 Stats
3-1Classic
I will give classic this much, he has solid PvZ
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Damnitmynameistaken
Profile Joined May 2015
United States187 Posts
May 28 2015 07:36 GMT
#24
Better put your money on Byul and Zest guys, TL cursed Classic and Stats. #TheCurseIsReal
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 28 2015 07:43 GMT
#25
I'm going with Classic 3-2 -> I was extremely impressed with Classic's PvZ. He plays exactly how I think protoss should play PvZ at the moment. I think Byul will try some crazy stuff but if Classic lives through it, he should win the longer games.

Also Zest 3-1 Stats. Simply because I think Zest is the better PvPer. Then again any prediction in a teamkill PvP is like throwing darts at the moon.
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EvilSusan
Profile Joined June 2013
South Africa73 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-28 08:33:42
May 28 2015 08:23 GMT
#26
On May 28 2015 16:43 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Then again any prediction in a teamkill PvP is like throwing darts at the moon.

THIS :D

I'm thinking (P)Classic 3 - 1 (Z)ByuL and (P)Stats 3 - 2 (P)Zest

But honestly, that PvP prediction is just because I'd love Stats to win something huge.
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2217 Posts
May 28 2015 08:32 GMT
#27
ByuL and Zest I think, probably both 3-1
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TsogiMaster
Profile Joined October 2014
191 Posts
May 28 2015 08:33 GMT
#28
Cant believe how many people here saying Zest will win. Stats vs Zest is the easiest to predict matchup in this Ro8. Stats will win with ease. Stats is PvP monster. I see there no chance for Zest. 3-0 probably.
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Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
May 28 2015 09:19 GMT
#29
ByuL made the WCS Na finals in Season 3. Season 2 was Jaedong
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stuzH
Profile Joined September 2011
United States56 Posts
May 28 2015 22:36 GMT
#30
Stats and Byul will win. Classic is a scrub and a one time wonder like sniper
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
May 28 2015 23:28 GMT
#31
On May 29 2015 07:36 stuzH wrote:
Stats and Byul will win. Classic is a scrub and a one time wonder like sniper

The games were already played. The VODs can be found here and the results are here.
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ThorPool
Profile Joined February 2014
Panama145 Posts
May 28 2015 23:42 GMT
#32
On May 28 2015 17:33 TsogiMaster wrote:
Cant believe how many people here saying Zest will win. Stats vs Zest is the easiest to predict matchup in this Ro8. Stats will win with ease. Stats is PvP monster. I see there no chance for Zest. 3-0 probably.



Stats is not the only PvP monster. Look at the Kespa cup,Zest won and look who he had to walk through.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_KeSPA_Cup
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ThorPool
Profile Joined February 2014
Panama145 Posts
May 28 2015 23:43 GMT
#33
On May 29 2015 08:28 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2015 07:36 stuzH wrote:
Stats and Byul will win. Classic is a scrub and a one time wonder like sniper

The games were already played. The VODs can be found here and the results are here.



Upps. did not knew that. Thanks :D
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TsogiMaster
Profile Joined October 2014
191 Posts
May 29 2015 22:41 GMT
#34
On May 29 2015 08:42 ThorPool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2015 17:33 TsogiMaster wrote:
Cant believe how many people here saying Zest will win. Stats vs Zest is the easiest to predict matchup in this Ro8. Stats will win with ease. Stats is PvP monster. I see there no chance for Zest. 3-0 probably.



Stats is not the only PvP monster. Look at the Kespa cup,Zest won and look who he had to walk through.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_KeSPA_Cup


You cant compare Zest from 2014 with Stats 2015, Zest isnt good as he was in 2014. There he was the best Protoss of the year. Now Stats is much better than Zest.
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