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Kings of Silver

Text byZealously
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February 25th, 2015 22:56 GMT



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Artosis once said that all kings must die. The quote became somewhat infamous, though for its humor rather than its wisdom. After all, the fact hardly merits speaking out loud at all. Starcraft is a high-stakes stage where players square off in matches decided by the most minute details. Like all such competitive mediums, every king—even those considered untouchable during their respective ages—must eventually crumble and fade away from the spotlight. All that remains of those once-great kingdoms are the legacies, the leftover memories that sustain and direct the next generation of conquerors.

If the king is fortunate, he leaves behind a victorious legacy. A panoply of victories for his oeurve leave behind an almost palpable memory of success, and subsequently an arresting imago. We remember Boxer and Mvp for their seemingly superhuman abilities both when they were supposed to win and more so when they weren't. More than anything else we idolize these champions, the ones whose identities were defined by their preternatural ability to win.


No words are needed.


We raise high those who stand above their peers by virtue of their victories alone, their impossible successes and unlikely championships immortalized. These players are the greats of our game, defining each generation of players by driving the game — sometimes alone — the game into a new era.

This article is dedicated to the ones that were on the cusp, who laid the groundwork of kingdoms never finished, the ones that fell on the finish line just before they could create lasting legacies. This article is about the tragic almost-heroes of Starcraft, those whose legacies came to be tainted by their losses instead of defined by their victories. The perpetual kings of silver: the kongs.

Click on a player's portrait to read more about them

YellOw

The First King of Silver


On November 30th, 2003, Hong Jin Ho—better known by his ID YellOw—conceded the 2003 TriGem MSL to iloveoov. It was his fifth and last Starleague finals, none of which ended with him victoriously lifting the trophy. His nickname at that point was ”King of Silver”, provocative and affectionate in equal measure, and reflected his inability to win when it mattered most. A king without a crown, YellOw was a towering titan of Brood War everywhere but in the Starleague finals, where the eyes of the world were on him.

Most fans claim that YellOw had a mental block (the severity of said obstacle being disputed) that kept him from winning the title he so hotly desired. Off the Starleague finals stage he was a presence to rival BoxeR, the most dominant player in BW's formative years. He made Starleagues look easy, rarely challenged before the very latest stages of the playoffs. He was instrumental in establishing KTF as one of the greatest teams in history, and an opponent worthy of respect no matter who you were. As a competitor YellOw was certainly not an object of pity. But under the light of his defeats, YellOw is viewed in an entirely different way.

Did an abstract and ill-defined psychological block keep him from winning a single Starleague? I would argue no. With his career long finished and with all the facts on the table, I would argue that the most important factor in Yellow's long line of silvers was bad luck. He unfortunately ended up face to face with the players best equipped to beat him in the first place. XellOs, NaDa, iloveoov and particularly Boxer were all deadly ZvT opponents on their best of days, and they were the opponents Yellow was pitted against in his many ventures onto the finals stage. His rivalry with Boxer was career-defining, but he did not randomly play worse against Boxer when they were playing in a finals setting. Objectively speaking, it is quite clear that Boxer knew what he needed to do in order to win, and that Yellow could not handle it. An issue of strategy and wit, but not impotence in the face of pressure.



Boxer ends YellOw's Starleague run in the semifinals, barely giving his opponent time to sit down in the booth


YellOw was never alone at the top. He was always accompanied by Boxer and usually overshadowed by him. It is no stretch to say that they were the two players that were steps above their competition, and Boxer yet another step above YellOw. The Terran player that founded what would later become SK Telecom, Boxer introduced mental warfare into the game, utilizing psychological tricks and trash-talk to bring his opponents off their game. Boxer didn't simply play the game, he played the opponents by twisting their expectations and breaking their confidence. Three bunker rushes in a row was unthinkable given how low and unsportsmanlike it was at the time, but there was no question that when Boxer pulled it off against YellOw, it had been planned beforehand. It was the grasp of strategy and innovation that set Boxer apart from YellOw, and what allowed him to ultimately beat YellOw every time it mattered.

Rather than set a goal I just don’t want to let myself down. That's the most important thing. Even if I fail, I want to give a performance that won’t leave any regrets this season.
-YellOw, after winning the 2005 Snickers All-Star League


YellOw's mental block, if such a thing existed, did not encompass all finals. His issues did not lie in just the pressure of playing at the end of that stage. He won many special events in his career, ranging from the small GameBugs Supremacy Battle to the highly prestigious KT OnGameNet King of Kings tournament*. He was consistently one of the best Zergs—at several points [i]the best, period—and if you were to look at his career without the silver lining you would see a Zerg that left his mark upon competitive Brood War as one of the best, not simply a loser who kept falling to different players when championships were on the line. His persistence was far superior to that of any of his rivals, and he persevered and performed long after his rivals had retired.
*Even there, he lost to Boxer in the round robin section of the tournament.

And yet, this is the legacy YellOw has left behind: a memory of the man chasing Boxer's heels, crushing old records only to find that someone else had just crushed them even harder.

MK

Mvp's Victim

On the 13th of November, 2010, MarineKingPrime was narrowly edged out in the final game of GSL Open Season 2. After a nail-biting series from a player who cheekily borrowed BoxeR's name, MKP was overwhelmed by Nestea's zerglings and surrendered his dreams of a cinderella run. This loss would be the start of a long line of second places. Within a span of 7 months he made three more GSL finals—twice in Code S, once in Code A—and fell short all three times. An innovator of Terran who laid the foundation for all MM micro, a man of ample killer instinct...except when everything was on the line

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The new BoxeR, defeated.


Marineking has won three championships. This is a fact many tend to forget, not always on purpose. He was, for some time, the best Terran in the world during 2012 and arguably also the best player overall. In his consecutive MLG finals he would face DongRaeGu, the other competitor for that illustrious title, all three times and beat him twice. Three consecutive MLG finals, when the MLG circuit was nearing the height of its prestige, was and remains a monstrous achievement worthy of recognition. Few players had what it took to make it through the brackets of those events, facing the combined might of both Korea's finest and the best that the international scene had to offer: Marineking did it three times in a row, maintaining dominance against a wide field of players and playstyles. But even so, those days are not talked about. In common memory Marineking is the perennial choker of Starcraft II, a player to whom finals seem to be impassable hurdles.

Rather [than being sad], I’m proud of having 3 times of finals. The more I have finals matches, the more earnest to win I become. So, I become more and more enthusiastic. I want to be the best, but my goals are also to be popular and remain long in the memory of the fans.

When Mvp shut Marineking out 4-0 in the finals of GSL January, it was the ascension of the former Woongjin A-teamer that many people had seen coming. Mvp was on a different level from everyone and had asserted similar dominance in the Gainward SC2 Tournament that took place not long before. When Mvp entered the booth, he made it clear that he was in control, both of the match and of the meta he dictated. Mvp introduced macro-centric play into Starcraft II long before it would have gained similar traction on its own, and it put him two steps ahead of the competition. He set trends and broke records, even prompting Blizzard to step in to fix balance issues that seemed glaring when he exploited them. These were some of Mvp's strengths and undoubtedly those most clearly visible, but not all there was to him.


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It is logical to assume that the better player wins against someone of inferior prowess, but dedicated fans know that this is often not the case. While their match was a battle of pure mechanics, it also extended outside the game itself. Mvp's macro was superior to Marineking's, but Marineking's micro was easily just as good; in all likelihood, he was better at that point. This hardly mattered. Mvp didn't come to the finals prepared to face just another Terran, he came prepared to beat Marineking specifically. It was the start of a long and incredibly one-sided rivalry that offered Marineking no respite, even when he was at his peak. When Marineking was given the chance to compete overseas, away from the clinical beatdowns Mvp put him through, it was his opportunity to shine.





So why do we associate Marineking with helpless losses on the big stage? We remember him burying his face in his hands as Mvp walked over him, his heartbroken expression as he realized his third GSL final would end the same way as his previous two had. Despite championships and significant innovations, despite victories that would have been career-defining for nearly any other player, Marineking's identity is defined by his losses, not the moments when he stood on top.

soO

The Greatest Loser


It is the 19th of October, 2013. Eo Yoon Su doesn't know it yet, but he has just taken his first step on his path to becoming a legend. He stands on the stage and receives his 2nd place cheque after his 2-4 defeat to Dear and knows that he will return one day. He's good enough, and he has the competitive drive. He wants to leave a mark on Starcraft II in a way he couldn't in Brood War, and this placement is the first step. What he doesn't know is that he will break all records and make three additional GSL finals, all of them in a row. He will lose all of them, and in the process become infamous.

Similarly, it seems to be in the very nature of fans to worship the winners. It is the winners that embody the virtues of competition - dedication, purposefulness, passion - and therefore they are the ones most deserving of respect. Their achievements stand apart because they are the ones that went all the way, the ones that could muster the strength it took to lift the trophy in the end.

But their triumphs come at a cost. Every coin has two sides, and for each victor there is a loser. Some of the losers can take their losses with stride, convinced of their own ability, fully aware that their time will come. Their defeats whet their appetites for victory, and not rarely will they bounce back intent on fighting even harder.

On the whole, 2014 was characterized by two things: the prominence of Protoss, and the struggle of Zerg. While Protoss champions succeeded one another and competed for multiple championships over the course of the year, few stood out on the Zerg side of the field. Protoss had Zest, Rain, herO, Classic, Parting and a plethora of players racing each other for championships in Europe and America; for most of the year, Zerg had soO. Only towards the end of the year would soO be joined by others as Life and Solar rose to win titles. But while calling soO the lone defender of the Zerg race sounds like great praise, his year was a personal tragedy rather than a triumph.

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No player in the history of Starcraft has suffered in the way soO has. We speak of YellOw and Marineking and other players with tendencies to lose in finals, but none of them can claim six lost finals in the span of a year without a special event to serve as buffer. soO has nothing to redeem him. There is no one who would question his prowess throughout 2014, no one that could reasonably pinpoint a defining weakness, and I still cannot talk about soO without the image of a broken man appearing uninvited in my head. soO's losses succeeded one another so frequently that they almost merged into one chain of disappointment, broken up only by the ceremonial journey to the next part. One of those—the 13-14 Proleague Finals—came about due to his team mates more so than his own shortcomings, but this does not change the memories. The image of him, stumbling out of his booth in a daze with the thousand-yard stare past the crowd, is seared into the collective memory of Starcraft.





He keeps getting these insane placings, second over and over and over again, and it's made him successful. When I look into his eyes I just see this anger, this passion and determination for a big win, and it'll keep pushing him until he makes it all the way.
-Brendan Valdes, on soO

The Final Consequence


If one was to describe soO from a stylistic perspective, the most accurately descriptive word would be perfection. Unlike many of the players that sat on the Zerg throne before him, soO is not a very stylistic player. He exerts control and maintains a mechanical level close to perfection for the majority of his games. Not uncommonly referred to as "simply the master of injects, no more", soO's strengths lie in the ordinary and the plain, occasionally broken up by bouts of craziness. Had he been a champion, he would have been praised for his mastery of the game in its most basic form.

To an even greater extent than YellOw and Marineking, we will likely remember soO as a loser. The first loser, granted, and the unrivaled best loser, the Best by far among those who didn't win. He remains a giant among Zerg players, a consistent centerpiece on a board full of erratic and streaky players. But regardless of these facts, soO is less praised for his play and incredible achievements than pitied for the times when he could not make it all the way, because those times stand so clearly apart from the majority of his career as to be beacons of failure. For this, he is judged with a different measuring stick than his contemporaries, held to a standard that accepts only championships. Championships that were within his grasp that he may now never come to win.

He has made a name for himself, but not the name he set out to make when he started his progaming career, instead it's a name others are giving to him. The Silver Medalist. The Kong Line continues, very strongly carried by a player like soO.
-Tasteless and Artosis, on soO (after soO's loss to Classic)


Squirtle

The Fallen Star

Rivaled only by the aforementioned soO, Squirtle is considered one of the best players to have never won a championship. He stumbled on the finish line in Las Vegas after making a monstrous and exhausting bracket run, faltering after going up 3-2 in the finals. Although he considered not winning IPL4 a disappointment, he made his presence known when he returned to Korea and tore through the GSL playoffs bracket, making it to the finals as the overwhelming favorite to defeat the player would come to face him, three-time GSL champion IM.Mvp. The match is the most famous series ever played in Starcraft II, but for posterity's sake I will refresh your memory.

The series, from start to finish, was a battle of brains against brawn. Mvp was by no means weak and Squirtle by no means stupid, but Mvp nevertheless got an early and surprising 3-0 lead through a combination of metagame subversion and meticulous series planning. His play prior to the finals had been very aggressively oriented, but he turned the expectation of aggression on its head to catch Squirtle off guard, utilizing builds that were much more standard than what he had used to win against Parting and Naniwa. Squirtle bounced back in games 4, 5 and 6 as he tackled Mvp's variety and willingness to abuse map architecture with the same level of play that had nearly taken him all the way in Las Vegas. The famous split-map scenario on Atlantis Spaceship featuring mass BCs and a double Archon Toilet would have stood out, had it not been for the game that came immediately after.




Observe for a moment Squirtle's defeated slouch as he realizes that his overextension cost him not only the game, but his Royal Road championship and his chance at lasting greatness. Then consider the lingering effects of this match. In a stroke of genius, Mvp did the one thing no normal player would risk doing in the most important game of his career: he cheesed. Not only was it a cheese, it was a complete, no-coming-back-from-this all-in. With nearly impeccable micro, Squirtle held... and fell to the follow-up. He hammered in that there was one strategy that Squirtle could not stop, even at his best.

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Defeated by Mvp's wit and his own recklessness, Squirtle comes to terms with the end of his Royal Road.


It is hardly a secret that the following months were hard on Squirtle. Not only did he fail to reciprocrate the favor by defeating Mvp at a later date, he failed entirely to reproduce the run that made him the most terrifying opponent in the world just weeks prior. Consider his win rate during GSL Season 2. 68% in games, 77% in matches. In the three-month period thereafter? 58% in games, a disappointing 50% in matches.

It may seem like a dramatic and far-fetched conclusion to say that certain players take their losses so hard as to never regain their confidence and make the climb back to the place they fell from, but it is nonetheless true that many of the players whose streaks were abruptly cut short on the finals stage never regain their footing. The natural process in a highly competitive environment, or a phenomenon moreso psychological in nature? Squirtle's career, at least, would argue the latter.To be honest, I still have not watched game 7 of last season's finals. It scares me (laughs). I really tried to forget about getting bunkered and cheesed in the past but today's games just made me relive those moments. I could've blocked those rushes but I failed to do so. Last season's final game 7 was a traumatic experience for me.
-Squirtle, after losing two games in a row to Keen's bunker rushes.


To understand the identity of a kong we must first attempt to understand what creates the perception of the kong as something completely unique from other players.

It is in the very nature of competition to break the hearts of many competitors. Inevitably, every one of those who partake in the competition must eventually lose. If this were not the case, there would be no purpose to the competition. This is the essence that draws in those who would compete with others to prove their superiority and the reason that so many would give up thousands and thousands of hours in their quest for championships, and the reason that so many abandon their passion after coming to terms with the fact that they may never be the best.

Starcraft fans do not see results the same way fans of traditional sports do. Given the short lifespan of a game such as Starcraft, the even shorter careers of its players, and the lack of quantitative data besides placements, fans flock to champions and quickly move on when those players stop winning. Winners are easy to admire and require no effort to understand. They win, therefore they are worthy of respect. There are many examples of players that won a single championship and maintained a strong presence thereafter; however, they were discarded and forgotten once the novelty wore off. Conversely, there are precious few players that garnered significant fan followings without making multiple finals.

This isn't to say that fair-weather fans don't exist in traditional sports, but their persistence is greater in comparison. Streaks of dominance often span years instead of months (the Pep Guardiola era of FC Barcelona is roughly comparable to a Summer of Taeja). When periods of dominance end fans do migrate and seek the next big thing, but they do not do so before having suffered at least a fair share of defeats. In Starcraft, only the players that win championships are paid the respect given to those who play well in traditional sports. In Stacraft, the players that play well but do so away from the very biggest championship stages receive cult followings at best and suffer premature retirements at worst, never having been given the opportunity to prove that they could rank among the game's best. There is not enough room for all these players to get by simply by playing well. More is demanded.


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Forever immortalized: Fruitdealer


This obsession with trophies and championships, more than anything, is what creates our kongs and silver surfers. Complete U-turns in fan approval are not rare, so the players that do not follow up on their successes can be discarded at flukes at a whim. It is much easier, and far more comfortable, to label a player either a fluke or a kong than it is to appreciate the difficulty of producing such a fluke in the first place. The ubiquitous demand for championships tells the players that unless they win, they are inconsequential and forgettable. For some this might be a motivator, but for most it threatens to break them.




Those who fully dedicate their lives to competition take their losses the hardest. 200 Butterfly is "just a race" to Michael Phelps about as much as a nuclear firestorm is "just a spark" and Phelps' loss to Le Clos at the 2012 Olympics was, as he himself later admitted, a much bigger disappointment than it "should be". Second best in the world, leaving behind the greatest legacy of any athlete in the history of the sport, yet not nearly enough.


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The difference between victory and defeat.


This is the mindset of a true competitor, and it is the driving force behind both history's greatest competitive leaps forward and the most devastating collapses in sports. It brings with it the pressure to perform, which brought up as the primary reason behind disappointing losses and surprising slumps. When you both expect to win and are expected to win, second feels pitiful and weak. This builds an expectation, a personal demand that cannot always be met. Players push on, partly driven by the pressure, but very rarely fully embracing it. Usain Bolt may thrive in the spotlight and feed off the pressure ("I got no nerves, no nerves!"), but he is an anomaly who stands apart rather than the norm. To the vast majority, pressure is an obstacle that limits their ability to perform. This is why many players* are rumored to perform better in practice, where they are out of reach from the demands placed upon them.
*Known in Starcraft as "practice bonjwas", many players have been pegged as future champions by their more succesful teammates due to their prowess in practice. Frequently, these expectations are not met until much later, if ever.




What can be said about the kong that has not already been talked and written about in-depth? Every competition must have its first loser, and even the best players will sometimes fall short of the mark. But these players hardly seem worthy of the same admiration, crushed as they are beneath the expectations and the pressures of competition.

I offer an alternative view. I invite you to consider the immense significance of the kongs and try to envision Starcraft without them. Their stories may be few, but they are both powerful and distinctive. In a manner identical to that of the greatest champions, the kongs define their eras and provide us with the stories that keep us interested. After all, would Boxer really be the same without YellOw? What would you remember most clearly about GSL 2014 without soO's dominance and subsequent failures? What jokes could you make about aLive if his crowning achievement had not been taking one of the most dominant bracket runs of all time away from an exhausted Squirtle?

It is easy to flock to the champions, to identify with their successes and simply go along. It is much harder to support a player defined by his adversities, more comfortable to simply pity them than to identify with their humanity. That is the essence of the kong: the humanity. They are not the revered champions standing above the competition, seemingly unbeatable. They are those we can identify with on a more basic level, the players we can truly understand. We see their struggles and follow them, every step of the way, fully conscious that a big break may not ever come.

Without YellOw, Boxer loses many of the moments that defined his career. Without Squirtle, Mvp no longer stands alone in the world as the most cold-blooded and calculated player in Starcraft II. Without soO, there is no centerpiece to hold 2014 together, no consistency in an otherwise chaotic story. That is the role the kongs have had to fill. They strove for greatness and in their drive to take the gold, they fell again and again and again. But it is in their struggle that their legacies have grown. They are the unsung heroes, the shadows that give depth to the Winners' light. The players who became the final sacrifices to the glory of the Champions

WRITER(S): Zealously
GRAPHIC DESIGNER(S): Meru, ReD
PHOTO CREDIT: Dailygame, ESL, ThisIsGame, Ghostclaw, eSports Digest, GomTV, Dreamhack, Swedish Olympic Committee
EDITOR(S): Zealously, CosmicSpiral, stuchiu
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
February 25 2015 22:58 GMT
#2
NICE
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-25 23:00:03
February 25 2015 22:59 GMT
#3
First!

Edit: Darn, maybe I belong in this article
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Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
February 25 2015 23:00 GMT
#4
how come JaeKong doesnt feature in this list?
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3097 Posts
February 25 2015 23:08 GMT
#5
Okay, I haven't finished reading this, but clearly Stork is the best Kong of all time. OF ALL TIME!
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
February 25 2015 23:18 GMT
#6
On February 26 2015 08:00 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
how come JaeKong doesnt feature in this list?

Presumably because of his victories in BW/ acquiring a few titles post-Blizzcon.
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kc2siq
Profile Joined April 2012
United States319 Posts
February 25 2015 23:23 GMT
#7
Great stuff!

soO sure is failing nowadays as I haven't seen him around at all. Let's see if he still thinks fail is better than 2nd.
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
February 25 2015 23:29 GMT
#8
On February 26 2015 07:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
First!

Edit: Darn, maybe I belong in this article


Failing at "First"ing is just shameful, consider yourself warned
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 25 2015 23:34 GMT
#9
Great article, well worth the time to wait for it (your tweet back then )
Let's wait and see who will be the next big kong :D
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
February 25 2015 23:45 GMT
#10
Wonderful writing. It's nice to get more background on the SC2 scene and the players. Keep up the good work!

How did the term "Kong" get attributed to "second-best" players? A play on the word "King Kong"?
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
February 25 2015 23:45 GMT
#11
On February 26 2015 08:00 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
how come JaeKong doesnt feature in this list?

Cuz he got 2nd in easy tournaments, Kevin .
UberNuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
February 25 2015 23:47 GMT
#12
Never would have considered Squirtle even a contender for a Kong; otherwise cool article.

2013 JD was definitely a lot more Kong worthy, imo.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 00:01:20
February 25 2015 23:49 GMT
#13
haha this is great

squirtles fall from grace was by far the most heart wrenching for me though...
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KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
February 25 2015 23:51 GMT
#14
Amazing read TL excellent work!
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Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
February 25 2015 23:53 GMT
#15
Sick! Keep em' coming!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 00:09:36
February 25 2015 23:57 GMT
#16
On February 26 2015 08:45 DSK wrote:
Wonderful writing. It's nice to get more background on the SC2 scene and the players. Keep up the good work!

How did the term "Kong" get attributed to "second-best" players? A play on the word "King Kong"?

That's what I thought as well, but the BW historians tell me it's a mockery (wordplay) of YellOw - his name is Hong Jin Ho, and the line of second places made him Kong Jin Ho.
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Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
February 25 2015 23:58 GMT
#17
On February 26 2015 08:45 DSK wrote:
Wonderful writing. It's nice to get more background on the SC2 scene and the players. Keep up the good work!

How did the term "Kong" get attributed to "second-best" players? A play on the word "King Kong"?

Kong (콩), which means bean, is a play on YellOw's surname Hong (홍).
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Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
February 26 2015 00:10 GMT
#18
Articles like this one are the reason why I keep visiting this site. Well written, visually pleasing.
Thank you!
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Bastinian
Profile Joined October 2014
Serbia177 Posts
February 26 2015 00:12 GMT
#19
Is that Cavic vs Phelps picture with swimmers? :D
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Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
February 26 2015 00:13 GMT
#20
Very very nice, gg Zealously.
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Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 26 2015 00:15 GMT
#21
On February 26 2015 09:12 Bastinian wrote:
Is that Cavic vs Phelps picture with swimmers? :D

Le Clos vs Phelps
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33296 Posts
February 26 2015 00:17 GMT
#22
should I abuse admin power to steal the second comment>?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 26 2015 00:21 GMT
#23
On February 26 2015 09:17 Waxangel wrote:
should I abuse admin power to steal the second comment>?

Hell no, I got that fair and square.
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Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
February 26 2015 00:22 GMT
#24
Awesome article. Thanks Zealously! Also, the feels when reading Squirtle's part...
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ukiya2004
Profile Joined March 2014
199 Posts
February 26 2015 00:24 GMT
#25
I pity Soo. I really do.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
February 26 2015 00:30 GMT
#26
soO pls win something
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 26 2015 00:39 GMT
#27
Glad zealously snuck swimming in there
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England1110 Posts
February 26 2015 00:40 GMT
#28
On February 26 2015 08:57 Zealously wrote:
That's what I thought as well, but the BW historians tell me it's a mockery (wordplay) of YellOw - his name is Hong Jin Ho, and the line of second places made him Kong Jin Ho.

On February 26 2015 08:58 Lazare1969 wrote:
Kong (콩), which means bean, is a play on YellOw's surname Hong (홍).


Thanks for the info you two
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Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
February 26 2015 00:45 GMT
#29
poor squirtle it breaks my heart
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Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
February 26 2015 00:46 GMT
#30
I'd like to nominate KiWiKaKi for honorable Kong mention for foreigners.

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Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
February 26 2015 01:00 GMT
#31
The players who became the final sacrifices to the glory of the Champions


God damn it, this sentence is too powerful.
Wonderful article, those 4 are legendary anyway, who cares about championships when you have legacy which is glued to only few chosen ones.
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Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
February 26 2015 01:07 GMT
#32
Nice to see Squirtle getting some attention!
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Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 26 2015 01:08 GMT
#33
On February 26 2015 10:00 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
The players who became the final sacrifices to the glory of the Champions


God damn it, this sentence is too powerful.
Wonderful article, those 4 are legendary anyway, who cares about championships when you have legacy which is glued to only few chosen ones.

Yeah, nobody can take away the glory of MKP²'s tears. It's legendary
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
February 26 2015 01:12 GMT
#34
you skipped stork and fantasy
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Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
February 26 2015 01:14 GMT
#35
I'm one of the best in my silver league. Why am I not on this list?
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Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
February 26 2015 01:20 GMT
#36
Awesome article, thanks
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Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
February 26 2015 01:21 GMT
#37
This article seemed to be largely focused around the idea and image of the term "kong" than it was a list of so-called kong's. Certainly some individuals may be deserving of the title, but I think that is besides the term. From what I gather each member recognized here represents certain aspects of the idea of a kong, be it a rising star (squirtle) falling to a legend, two icons of a time (BoxeR)(Yell0w) and their competitive relationship, Marineking and his trademark emotional breakdowns, and soO, the "perfect" player who cannot get beyond a mental block.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 26 2015 01:30 GMT
#38
On February 26 2015 09:15 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 09:12 Bastinian wrote:
Is that Cavic vs Phelps picture with swimmers? :D

Le Clos vs Phelps

If Phelps's lane was a half meter longer he woulda won. Same thing happened to him that happened to Cavic in 2008 haha
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
February 26 2015 01:33 GMT
#39
Really great read, soO was the only one I really was around to see, but his style being "perfection" really stuck out to me, and sometimes I always think about when I think of him. 6 finals in one year and not winning any of them while showing the best mechanics, army control, and arguably even decision making of 2014, it's incredible to think about. Thanks for the writeup Zealously!
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Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
February 26 2015 01:38 GMT
#40
In order of sadness

Squirtle>soO>anyone that is left
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
February 26 2015 01:40 GMT
#41
wp kongs
agsub
Profile Joined May 2012
Singapore368 Posts
February 26 2015 01:43 GMT
#42
Great article~
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
February 26 2015 02:10 GMT
#43
these kongs need to do the kong dance more often
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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
February 26 2015 02:45 GMT
#44
This question is more directed at the Brood War guys: were there any other notable multiple second place finishers in BW besides Yellow? All the Sc2 Kong candidates are recent enough to remember clearly, but it seems like Yellow being the first and most prominent Kong in Brood War might have overshadowed some other near-champions. Did all the other second place finishers either die out quickly leaving behind no legacy or instead go on to win championships and break the Kong curse?
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
February 26 2015 02:50 GMT
#45
this was resolved at the end of bw since the later-era silver kings (stork, jangbi, fantasy) all took finals off each other
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Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
February 26 2015 03:16 GMT
#46
I'd forgotten that Squirtle had lost several titles in the finals, and not just one. But really that loss alone against Mvp would probably have cemented him as a kong in our minds nonetheless.
FlyingSteaks
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil433 Posts
February 26 2015 03:49 GMT
#47
Missed Stork but nice article anyway!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 26 2015 04:02 GMT
#48
Don't forget Symbol

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Symbol

He's probably the most overlooked Kong given the timing of his gsl final, the matchup, and people stupidly labeling him as a patchzerg.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 06:45:05
February 26 2015 06:41 GMT
#49
On February 26 2015 11:45 jubil wrote:
This question is more directed at the Brood War guys: were there any other notable multiple second place finishers in BW besides Yellow? All the Sc2 Kong candidates are recent enough to remember clearly, but it seems like Yellow being the first and most prominent Kong in Brood War might have overshadowed some other near-champions. Did all the other second place finishers either die out quickly leaving behind no legacy or instead go on to win championships and break the Kong curse?

(Wiki)Stork was a kong just fine, but he eventually broke through with an OSL win.

Here's a couple interesting posts regarding Yellow's losses to Boxer from the BW subforum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/461193-the-greatest-season-of-osl-msl-ever?page=3#58
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/461193-the-greatest-season-of-osl-msl-ever?page=4#61
(it's mostly about Boxer though)
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 26 2015 07:07 GMT
#50
Excellent article, thanks for it.
(and soO will win something one day, I believe in him !)
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WickedCestus
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada25 Posts
February 26 2015 07:23 GMT
#51
Great article. I remember jumping on the Squirtle train really hard after IPL4 and that GSL finals, and the next few months absolutely broke my heart. Squirtle was a great player but he had glaring weaknesses that he never could quit overcome, such as his complete inability to defend against bunker rushes and mid-game roach-hydra aggression. Really a sad career. (I assume he's retired?) I still think so0 will be able to bounce back and continue to be a top-tier player.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 08:08:24
February 26 2015 08:05 GMT
#52
On February 26 2015 11:45 jubil wrote:
This question is more directed at the Brood War guys: were there any other notable multiple second place finishers in BW besides Yellow? All the Sc2 Kong candidates are recent enough to remember clearly, but it seems like Yellow being the first and most prominent Kong in Brood War might have overshadowed some other near-champions. Did all the other second place finishers either die out quickly leaving behind no legacy or instead go on to win championships and break the Kong curse?


Stork's nickname was the "Silver Surfer". He won an OSL, but immediately afterwards he proceeded to secure more 2nd places.
stevethemacguy
Profile Joined September 2008
United States137 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 08:18:40
February 26 2015 08:17 GMT
#53
On February 26 2015 08:00 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
how come JaeKong doesnt feature in this list?


How DARE you!!!

Stork should have made the list! He broke my heart many, many times.
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2213 Posts
February 26 2015 08:54 GMT
#54
Nice writeup, thanks.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
February 26 2015 11:45 GMT
#55
On February 26 2015 13:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Don't forget Symbol

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Symbol

He's probably the most overlooked Kong given the timing of his gsl final, the matchup, and people stupidly labeling him as a patchzerg.

Yeah him and Alicia too.
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France1317 Posts
February 26 2015 13:41 GMT
#56
On February 26 2015 15:41 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 11:45 jubil wrote:
This question is more directed at the Brood War guys: were there any other notable multiple second place finishers in BW besides Yellow? All the Sc2 Kong candidates are recent enough to remember clearly, but it seems like Yellow being the first and most prominent Kong in Brood War might have overshadowed some other near-champions. Did all the other second place finishers either die out quickly leaving behind no legacy or instead go on to win championships and break the Kong curse?

(Wiki)Stork was a kong just fine, but he eventually broke through with an OSL win.

Here's a couple interesting posts regarding Yellow's losses to Boxer from the BW subforum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/461193-the-greatest-season-of-osl-msl-ever?page=3#58
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/461193-the-greatest-season-of-osl-msl-ever?page=4#61
(it's mostly about Boxer though)


Fantasy and Jangbi were also part of the Kong line at a point. It's funny to think that those 3 players (Stork, Fantasy, Jangbi) only broke free of that line by playing each other in finals

And thanks for that great article, very well done. For me as a fan, Yellow winning Sneakers against Nada coming back from 1-2 down is still as good as winning an OSL
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Profile Joined October 2014
France7 Posts
February 26 2015 14:05 GMT
#57
Fruitdealer <3
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MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
February 26 2015 14:29 GMT
#58
Nice article, you raise a lot of valid points about Squirtle that I didn't consider.
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Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1413 Posts
February 26 2015 14:32 GMT
#59
On February 26 2015 17:17 stevethemacguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 08:00 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
how come JaeKong doesnt feature in this list?


How DARE you!!!

Stork should have made the list! He broke my heart many, many times.

in terms of sc2, jadong is a kong. though i wouldn't list him because he is mostly remembered for being the tyrant in broodwar.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3343 Posts
February 26 2015 15:14 GMT
#60
An awesome article of probably the best storyline of Starcraft.
I'm glad JaeDong wasn't one of the Kongs as he overcame it at the end of the year, making it a perfect finish.
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Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
February 26 2015 15:24 GMT
#61
Thanks for an awesome article! Well written and very graphically pleasing.
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mythandier
Profile Joined January 2011
United States828 Posts
February 26 2015 15:27 GMT
#62
Great article; however, I feel like there's a slight against the artist formerly known as FoxeR in the final paragraph:
Without YellOw, Boxer loses many of the moments that defined his career. Without Squirtle, Mvp no longer stands alone in the world as the most cold-blooded and calculated player in Starcraft II. Without soO, there is no centerpiece to hold 2014 together, no consistency in an otherwise chaotic story. That is the role the kongs have had to fill. That is the role the kongs have had to fill. They strove for greatness and in their drive to take the gold, they fell again and again and again. But it is in their struggle that their legacies have grown. They are the unsung heroes, the shadows that give depth to the Winners' light. The players who became the final sacrifices to the glory of the Champions

You mention the other 3 Kongs alluded to earlier in the article but either purposely/accidentally leave out MK. If nothing else, I feel like it removes some of the overall consistency of the article....nevermind the fact that MK is awesome and should always be mentioned in such settings ^_^. I'd go so far to say that MKP helped define Mvp's career as well (being defeated in 2nd place by him twice in 2011)...or various other iconic moments.
skylinefan
Profile Joined November 2014
Malaysia53 Posts
February 26 2015 16:30 GMT
#63
"That is the role the kongs have had to fill " repeated twice. Extremely nice article btw TL!!^^
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Jeremy Reimer
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada968 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-26 17:55:28
February 26 2015 17:53 GMT
#64
(P)Alicia was a pretty big Kong, getting three silvers and three 3rd/4th finishes from 2011-2014.

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fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
February 26 2015 17:54 GMT
#65
remember back when Gom held a tournament for this? hahaha

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Arena_of_Legends/The_King_of_Kongs
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BigBang7000
Profile Joined December 2013
Germany14 Posts
February 26 2015 18:37 GMT
#66
MVP and Nestea retired right?
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
February 26 2015 19:08 GMT
#67
Ah Yellow. The 5th game of him vs Xellos in the Olympus Starleague finals still hearts more than Flash's loss vs Parting in HSC
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
February 26 2015 19:38 GMT
#68
nice
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spoonmaster
Profile Joined May 2012
United States347 Posts
February 26 2015 20:28 GMT
#69
It's always sad to me that Squirtle never recovered from that almost Royal Road run. Heartbreaking.
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
February 26 2015 20:30 GMT
#70
On February 27 2015 03:37 BigBang7000 wrote:
MVP and Nestea retired right?

Mvp probably.

Nestea not yet. He lost 2-1 vs Trap in GSL qualifier and lost 2-0 vs Yonghwa in SSL qualifier
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
February 26 2015 20:37 GMT
#71
k, now make an article about the one and only mantoss, original macro monster, and god knows what other titles. i demand it!
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 26 2015 20:42 GMT
#72
On February 27 2015 05:30 AWalker9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2015 03:37 BigBang7000 wrote:
MVP and Nestea retired right?

Mvp probably.

Nestea not yet. He lost 2-1 vs Trap in GSL qualifier and lost 2-0 vs Yonghwa in SSL qualifier

Wolf always says we might see Mvp again, but in another context than sc2.
Considering Wolf is into HOTS as well, i think Mvp might be playing it.
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Holloworb
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway345 Posts
February 26 2015 21:33 GMT
#73
Great articles like these keeps me coming back to check out TL regurarly even tho i dont have much time to watch the games anymore, thanks for that
lunafraga
Profile Joined February 2012
United States35 Posts
February 27 2015 03:34 GMT
#74
Soo consider him as a runner up but believe me being in the final on 4th consecutive time is a miracle and only he can be that person.MKP yet the undisputed one terran player who earned every prestige final set of game makes the ups and downs of a gameplay yet we always shout whenever he make his tricks.Squirtle...wooooooow....did i see fast toss on my base and ..kabooom...he got his...throphy!..love them all....But the one I could consider to be the fourth among them is the...Raging Idra......wow he made an exact tactics agains that slayer MMA and gave him a free win!....
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10668 Posts
February 27 2015 03:38 GMT
#75
Amazing article. No one can take Kong's throne.
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Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
February 27 2015 14:01 GMT
#76
Great write up. I feel so much better about the world and my place in it having read this.
justnny
Profile Joined October 2010
United States171 Posts
February 27 2015 18:11 GMT
#77
Love the article. Thank you!
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 27 2015 18:12 GMT
#78
Thorin talked about this on one of his youtube videos. Worth a look!

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soiii
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany266 Posts
February 27 2015 21:32 GMT
#79
Great read, I enjoyed every sentence of it.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 28 2015 02:02 GMT
#80
fantasy where
stork where
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Emerson_H
Profile Joined March 2014
United States460 Posts
February 28 2015 04:57 GMT
#81
Godspeed squirtle T_T
Liliputin
Profile Joined January 2012
Czech Republic458 Posts
February 28 2015 13:29 GMT
#82
Dat MKP hair is bringing me all those good memories..
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AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
February 28 2015 20:15 GMT
#83
Throin's put out a video on this and it's really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXbiww8gx5w
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
_Sargas
Profile Joined November 2014
Italy5 Posts
March 21 2015 16:42 GMT
#84
lol

User was warned for this post
Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
March 29 2015 04:17 GMT
#85
nice piece, thanks
I still remember watching boxer-yellow live. I was rooting hard for Boxer, but man the way he did it was so disappointing back then. I was happy he was through but sad for Yellow haha. To make it worse it became incredibly annoying to play ZvT online as nearly every terran would bunker rush with all their scv
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 04:32:09
March 29 2015 04:30 GMT
#86
If you think Yellow is cool, just watch The Genius (Korean show). Hands down the coolest and most charismatic character.

And as for MarineKing, well, I don't know, I've got mixed feelings right now, for obvious reasons :D
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
March 31 2015 10:31 GMT
#87
On February 26 2015 13:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Don't forget Symbol

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Symbol

He's probably the most overlooked Kong given the timing of his gsl final, the matchup, and people stupidly labeling him as a patchzerg.

4 silvers and no gold. Interestingly he went second in all regions: twice in europe, once in na, once in korea. Sole holder of silver (Wiki)Triple Crown
sSz.HunTer
Profile Joined April 2015
1 Post
April 30 2015 12:42 GMT
#88
Hard Gamer Liquid o_O
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 17:56:07
April 30 2015 13:07 GMT
#89
On February 28 2015 11:02 oneofthem wrote:
fantasy where
stork where


Here and here.

And to the people who expected Jaedong to be on this list.... do you not see the massive irony in including both YellOw (the OG Kong) and Jaedong (pretty much the most successful Zerg player of all time) on this list?

3 Starleagues, 2 MSLs, WCG and GOM Classic.... what more do you want? I love sAviOr better but no Zerg has accomplished more than Jaedong... >_>
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
July 16 2015 16:18 GMT
#90
On April 30 2015 22:07 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2015 11:02 oneofthem wrote:
fantasy where
stork where


Here and here.

And to the people who expected Jaedong to be on this list.... do you not see the massive irony in including both YellOw (the OG Kong) and Jaedong (pretty much the most successful Zerg player of all time) on this list?

3 Starleagues, 2 MSLs, WCG and GOM Classic.... what more do you want? I love sAviOr better but no Zerg has accomplished more than Jaedong... >_>

Well - sAviOr won rivalry with contemporary terrans so there's something Jaedong ultimately was unable to replicate.

I think soO officially graduated and left the company.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
July 16 2015 17:59 GMT
#91
On July 17 2015 01:18 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2015 22:07 207aicila wrote:
On February 28 2015 11:02 oneofthem wrote:
fantasy where
stork where


Here and here.

And to the people who expected Jaedong to be on this list.... do you not see the massive irony in including both YellOw (the OG Kong) and Jaedong (pretty much the most successful Zerg player of all time) on this list?

3 Starleagues, 2 MSLs, WCG and GOM Classic.... what more do you want? I love sAviOr better but no Zerg has accomplished more than Jaedong... >_>

Well - sAviOr won rivalry with contemporary terrans so there's something Jaedong ultimately was unable to replicate.

I think soO officially graduated and left the company.


Yeah sAviOr's dominance was something else entirely, that's a big part of why I will forever love him... but Jaedong has him beat in terms of tournament titles, lifetime winrate (by something crazy like 10% I think?) and probably some ProLeague statistics that don't immediately come to mind.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
July 16 2015 18:07 GMT
#92
KeSPA cup is nice, but soO can only really redeem himself by winning a GSL or S2SL.
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
July 16 2015 18:32 GMT
#93
On July 17 2015 02:59 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 01:18 nimdil wrote:
On April 30 2015 22:07 207aicila wrote:
On February 28 2015 11:02 oneofthem wrote:
fantasy where
stork where


Here and here.

And to the people who expected Jaedong to be on this list.... do you not see the massive irony in including both YellOw (the OG Kong) and Jaedong (pretty much the most successful Zerg player of all time) on this list?

3 Starleagues, 2 MSLs, WCG and GOM Classic.... what more do you want? I love sAviOr better but no Zerg has accomplished more than Jaedong... >_>

Well - sAviOr won rivalry with contemporary terrans so there's something Jaedong ultimately was unable to replicate.

I think soO officially graduated and left the company.


Yeah sAviOr's dominance was something else entirely, that's a big part of why I will forever love him... but Jaedong has him beat in terms of tournament titles, lifetime winrate (by something crazy like 10% I think?) and probably some ProLeague statistics that don't immediately come to mind.

Yeah but that's also not fair as sAviOr played through his decline, while Jaedong outlasted the game. So when sAviOr reduced his lifetime winrate by playing bad when his form finally declined, Jaedong never entered this period (granted, by the end of BW he wasn't a beast he was before but it was fairly short period and he never was really bad). Not fair to compare these two values.

On July 17 2015 03:07 The_Templar wrote:
KeSPA cup is nice, but soO can only really redeem himself by winning a GSL or S2SL.

This isn't BW - Starleagues is not all that's important
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2624 Posts
October 04 2015 14:54 GMT
#94
Saw this as a featured article and I think it's appropriate to bump this thread again. We've got a new Kong on our hands.
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BazookaBenji1
Profile Joined February 2016
15 Posts
May 02 2016 16:10 GMT
#95
This is an article about HairCuts that are 2nd Place to The Beiber?

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