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Chameleon
United States604 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3754 Posts
On July 07 2014 16:35 Chameleon wrote: Savior was so good in the rest of that msl and so oblivious during the finals, given that he was such a massive favorite--makes me wonder whether that was a series he threw... screw savior LoL - look at the careers of Bisu and sAviOr after the final. It was obviously not a throw. sAviOr career more or less collapsed after Bisu's revolution while Bisu skyrocketed to fame and was forever known as the best PvZ player of all time and probably the best Protoss as well - he is the only protoss to win more than 2 starcraft leagues (and only three protosses won 2: GARIMTO, Nal_ra and JangBi). I can't imagine what amount of money would have sAviOr to get in order to sacrifice his career for it. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12027 Posts
On July 07 2014 16:53 nimdil wrote: LoL - look at the careers of Bisu and sAviOr after the final. It was obviously not a throw. sAviOr career more or less collapsed after Bisu's revolution while Bisu skyrocketed to fame and was forever known as the best PvZ player of all time and probably the best Protoss as well - he is the only protoss to win more than 2 starcraft leagues (and only three protosses won 2: GARIMTO, Nal_ra and JangBi). I can't imagine what amount of money would have sAviOr to get in order to sacrifice his career for it. He didn't need any money. He just saw Bisu's face and he knew that was it. He converted to the church of BSports. The entire purpose of his career was from then on to give Bisu a true rise to power that he deserved. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On July 07 2014 05:13 Daeno wrote: 2007 Daum OSL: Had Flash vs Bisu on Monty Hall. And perhaps one of the BEST 5 game finals ever. With an absolutely incredible game 5 from GGPlay over Iris to win it. Edit: Also had the manliest OSL intro moment @ 18s: The exposure in the opening video, of course, was a result of this being Reach's return to OSL after a long hiatus thanks to the extraordinary exhibition of manliness that was Reach vs. Sea on Hitchhiker. Also featured Reach cruising through his group 3-0 only to lose a heartbreaker to Stork 1-2 in the Ro8. Sick opening video + lots of Reach + the first OSL I watched = probably my favorite OSL, although there were certainly others with better games and it always annoyed me that GGplay won instead of Iris. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3754 Posts
On July 07 2014 18:10 Qikz wrote: He didn't need any money. He just saw Bisu's face and he knew that was it. He converted to the church of BSports. The entire purpose of his career was from then on to give Bisu a true rise to power that he deserved. It's funny how god of crushing terrans sacrificed himself to give power to someone whose ability to fight top terrans was always in question  | ||
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hitthat
Poland2340 Posts
On July 07 2014 19:26 nimdil wrote: It's funny how god of crushing terrans* sacrificed himself to give power to someone whose ability to fight top terrans was always in question * rule does not contain firebats and terrans with wacky celebrations | ||
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~chut~
France1317 Posts
Best players? Best Finals? Around the same numbers of T/P/Z ? Best maps? Best storyline? It's hard to tell really. Let's try : MSLs : I personnally enjoyed a lot the You are the golf king MSL, not only for its stupid name, but also its storyline, the comeback of the spoiled kid Gorush who showed his immense skill at the game. The Bo7 final against Nada was great. Not a lot of Protoss though. On other sides, i loved LG Cyon MSL and GOM season 1 because of the Savior rise and fall. I know he already won Uzoo before and he didn't even win LG Cyon, but it was in that MSL that he managed to go 5-0 against Oov, totally setting new standards for ZvT. The game on Ride of Valkyries is one of my favourites ever with the 2 big armies facing each other on high ground... One of the best ever for sure, it was noted by someone in the "best game" thread btw. Also, it was a great time to be on TL, the atmosphere was just great, and Chojja winning wasn't a bad thing, after all his crushing defeats, it also allowed some fun on tl since tfeign could pretend Chojja was the best player of the moment, which was very much debatable  Also contained in this msl, beginning of the Ra vs Savior rivalry.Gom Season 1 was the fall, after so much domination, trouble maintaining his dominance over terrans (the semi final against Hwasin was awesome, never saw a zerg preventing dropships this well), Savior, just like Oov before him, lost to a promising newcomer who set new standards for PvZ, letting the old king wondering. Games, especially the finals, were not that great to be honest, but the story is great and the fact that the "03-03" thread is revived every single year shows how influencial it was. The one i hate most is probably KPGA 2nd tour, Yellow was up 2-0 and still managed to lose. Damn it. About OSLs, i still need to think about it, i started watching those during Coca Cola OSL.. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
1) Coca Cola OGN StarLeague: The birthplace of the epic rivalry between BoxeR and YellOw, but really man, considering how heavily OGN "tweaked" things just to put BoxeR on a pedestal, it delegitimizes the entire tournament for me. 2) 2002 SKY OGN StarLeague: The origin of the "Legend of the Fall", and the rise of a new hero for the protoss race. The finals had more than 25,000 people attending live, probably the most fondly remembered league for protoss fans in Korea. 3) Gillette OGN StarLeague: There's a saying in Korea, which roughly translates into, "did you only start watching OGN since Gillette OGN StarLeague you newb?", the duo-viewer magnets of BoxeR and YellOw both failed to qualify, but this league kind of signified a new era, with great games to go along with the ride. My personal favourite by far. 4) 2004 EVER StarLeague: The most fondly remembered league by many, due to 7 out of the 8 quarter-finalists having been previous OGN StarLeague/MSL winners (the odd man out being YellOw). Probably the go to choice for many. If I'm to be honest, I'm a little tired of any half decent league with BoxeR doing well in it being praised as the greatest ever. 6) YATGK MSL: One of the most thoroughly planned league, that sacrificed commercially successful elements to ensure the best players were rewarded. Some really classic match-ups, and the birth of the "Tim-Dal-Rok", the best rivalry going when the triumvirate of July, NaDa, and GoRush ruled supreme. 5) So1 OGN StarLeague: The most commercially successful league. I remember hating the horrid map pool with a vengeance, but people always wanted to see BoxeR do well, and boy did he deliver in spades. Personally, the rise of the neo-triumvirate of the protoss race (PuSan, Anytime, and Stork) was noteworthy. 6) UZOO MSL: In the same vein as YATGK MSL, one of the most highly concentrated leagues in terms of game quality, with the rise of one incredibly talented IPXZerg, some fantastic games from the legend Reach, and a back-up cast of some of the most talented players from the era. I personally think despite the commercial success of the GomTV leagues (due to the ease of access from the viewers), the vintage MSL from the days when double-elimination were the real deal, MBCGame actually brought a fresh angle that OGN StarLeague repeatidly failed to give (Jesus Christ, we get it, you want BoxeR to do well, just stop making it so goddamned obvious OGN). To be honest, I loved them all. Even when OGN did their weird decisions just to appease the BoxeR fetish, even when MSL tried to go in a direction that I disliked just to stay afloat business-wise. But if I had to choose, I personally prefer the individual leagues that happened before the rise of the ProLeague (which took away the limelight from the individual leagues both in terms of viewership and progamer priorities), the leagues that didn't go out of their way just to cling on to the blockbuster stars of the time just to succeed commercially, and had the confidence in the participating players to create new and exciting storylines. And in the height of Starcraft's success in Korea, circa 2004~2005, when the old guard were still there, and the new blood were hungry to get the limelight the likes of BoxeR enjoyed, it was simply a pleasure to watch. But that's just me. We all have our favourites. I mean, there's magic to be found in each and every one. | ||
Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On July 07 2014 16:53 nimdil wrote: LoL - look at the careers of Bisu and sAviOr after the final. It was obviously not a throw. sAviOr career more or less collapsed after Bisu's revolution while Bisu skyrocketed to fame and was forever known as the best PvZ player of all time and probably the best Protoss as well - he is the only protoss to win more than 2 starcraft leagues (and only three protosses won 2: GARIMTO, Nal_ra and JangBi). I can't imagine what amount of money would have sAviOr to get in order to sacrifice his career for it. I agree with your main point, but sAviOr's career didn't collapse after that final; he was still the indisputable best zerg player in the world and consistently top 5 for at least another 6 months after that final. | ||
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appletree
Denmark109 Posts
"EVER 2008 OSL - First OSL to introduce the 36-man format. July comes out of nowhere and acquires the second Golden Mouse. Incruit OSL - After two second-place finishes, Stork finally wins an OSL. Fantasy revolutionizes TvZ with his mech build. Batoo OSL - Fantasy loses his second consecutive OSL final. Bacchus 2009 OSL - Jaedong acquires the third Golden Mouse and is the first back-to-back champion since Boxer in 2001." Can someone help me clarify this. 1st. July wins Golden Mouse (2) 2nd. Stork wins OSL. Fantasy 2nd place 3rd. Fantasy 2nd place. 4th. Jaedong wins Golden Mouse (3) - But also back to back champion, winning over Fantasy in Batoo OSL. My question is Who did Jaedong play in the finals @ Bacchus '09 OSL finals ?? | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On July 07 2014 23:52 appletree wrote: Can someone help me clarify this. 1st. July wins Golden Mouse (2) 2nd. Stork wins OSL. Fantasy 2nd place 3rd. Fantasy 2nd place. 4th. Jaedong wins Golden Mouse (3) - But also back to back champion, winning over Fantasy in Batoo OSL. My question is Who did Jaedong play in the finals @ Bacchus '09 OSL finals ?? Yarnc | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 07 2014 23:52 appletree wrote: Can someone help me clarify this. 1st. July wins Golden Mouse (2) 2nd. Stork wins OSL. Fantasy 2nd place 3rd. Fantasy 2nd place. 4th. Jaedong wins Golden Mouse (3) - But also back to back champion, winning over Fantasy in Batoo OSL. My question is Who did Jaedong play in the finals @ Bacchus '09 OSL finals ?? Yellow[arnc] Luxury's bro. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
On July 07 2014 04:16 Plexa wrote: So1 is the correct answer. EVER04 also acceptable. Shinhan S3 not bad either. Yup it's So1 for me too. I can't remember the quality of the games but as a Boxer fan his fight for the golden mouse was so exiting. The Ro8 also had some of my all time favorite players in it with BoxeR, Reach, Goodfriend, Pusan, oov, July, XellOs and Anytime. | ||
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rift
1819 Posts
On July 07 2014 22:45 Letmelose wrote: My personal list, with token leagues often remembered by the general populus, 1) Coca Cola OGN StarLeague: The birthplace of the epic rivalry between BoxeR and YellOw, but really man, considering how heavily OGN "tweaked" things just to put BoxeR on a pedestal, it delegitimizes the entire tournament for me. 2) 2002 SKY OGN StarLeague: The origin of the "Legend of the Fall", and the rise of a new hero for the protoss race. The finals had more than 25,000 people attending live, probably the most fondly remembered league for protoss fans in Korea. 3) Gillette OGN StarLeague: There's a saying in Korea, which roughly translates into, "did you only start watching OGN since Gillette OGN StarLeague you newb?", the duo-viewer magnets of BoxeR and YellOw both failed to qualify, but this league kind of signified a new era, with great games to go along with the ride. My personal favourite by far. 4) 2004 EVER StarLeague: The most fondly remembered league by many, due to 7 out of the 8 quarter-finalists having been previous OGN StarLeague/MSL winners (the odd man out being YellOw). Probably the go to choice for many. If I'm to be honest, I'm a little tired of any half decent league with BoxeR doing well in it being praised as the greatest ever. 6) YATGK MSL: One of the most thoroughly planned league, that sacrificed commercially successful elements to ensure the best players were rewarded. Some really classic match-ups, and the birth of the "Tim-Dal-Rok", the best rivalry going when the triumvirate of July, NaDa, and GoRush ruled supreme. 5) So1 OGN StarLeague: The most commercially successful league. I remember hating the horrid map pool with a vengeance, but people always wanted to see BoxeR do well, and boy did he deliver in spades. Personally, the rise of the neo-triumvirate of the protoss race (PuSan, Anytime, and Stork) was noteworthy. 6) UZOO MSL: In the same vein as YATGK MSL, one of the most highly concentrated leagues in terms of game quality, with the rise of one incredibly talented IPXZerg, some fantastic games from the legend Reach, and a back-up cast of some of the most talented players from the era. I personally think despite the commercial success of the GomTV leagues (due to the ease of access from the viewers), the vintage MSL from the days when double-elimination were the real deal, MBCGame actually brought a fresh angle that OGN StarLeague repeatidly failed to give (Jesus Christ, we get it, you want BoxeR to do well, just stop making it so goddamned obvious OGN). To be honest, I loved them all. Even when OGN did their weird decisions just to appease the BoxeR fetish, even when MSL tried to go in a direction that I disliked just to stay afloat business-wise. But if I had to choose, I personally prefer the individual leagues that happened before the rise of the ProLeague (which took away the limelight from the individual leagues both in terms of viewership and progamer priorities), the leagues that didn't go out of their way just to cling on to the blockbuster stars of the time just to succeed commercially, and had the confidence in the participating players to create new and exciting storylines. And in the height of Starcraft's success in Korea, circa 2004~2005, when the old guard were still there, and the new blood were hungry to get the limelight the likes of BoxeR enjoyed, it was simply a pleasure to watch. But that's just me. We all have our favourites. I mean, there's magic to be found in each and every one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjyRQNlaams can you expand on how ogn tweaked the coca cola osl in boxer's favor? and other starleagues? i'm really curious | ||
Brobe
United States75 Posts
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GTR
51576 Posts
On July 08 2014 14:30 rift wrote: can you expand on how ogn tweaked the coca cola osl in boxer's favor? and other starleagues? i'm really curious - finals map order was heavily in favour of boxer (for coca-cola), neo hall of valhalla was going to be played twice which was awful for yellow. - rumors floated around that the golden mouse was created solely just for boxer to 'win' to help cement his place in starcraft history (all the so1 hype was literally 'can boxer win the golden mouse?) - when the osl shifted to a 24 man format for shinhan 2006 season 1, many speculated it was only because they wanted boxer in the league as he failed to qualify for the initial 16 man tournament. honestly though you can't really blame the ogn pd's for their decisions, boxer was starcraft's golden boy and they (ogn) had to try and keep him relevant as much as possible without looking too suspicious. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3754 Posts
On July 08 2014 15:42 GTR wrote: - finals map order was heavily in favour of boxer (for coca-cola), neo hall of valhalla was going to be played twice which was awful for yellow. - rumors floated around that the golden mouse was created solely just for boxer to 'win' to help cement his place in starcraft history (all the so1 hype was literally 'can boxer win the golden mouse?) - when the osl shifted to a 24 man format for shinhan 2006 season 1, many speculated it was only because they wanted boxer in the league as he failed to qualify for the initial 16 man tournament. honestly though you can't really blame the ogn pd's for their decisions, boxer was starcraft's golden boy and they (ogn) had to try and keep him relevant as much as possible without looking too suspicious. Oh wow. You really should write down the history of professional SC:BW: from start-ups into KeSPA to the Hybrid Proleague sad finale. And you still missed eVERLAST as first foreign progamer in OSL unless he is 0th progamer, being in PKO etc. | ||
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