EPTTop American player Brandon 'puCK' Qual has left IvD Gaming after a 14 month stay. While on the team, puCK was a staple of WCS America.
As a long time fan of puCK, I hope he's able to find a new team soon and wish him the best of luck in the future.
puCK leaves IvD Gaming
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Alphonsse
United States518 Posts
Top American player Brandon 'puCK' Qual has left IvD Gaming after a 14 month stay. While on the team, puCK was a staple of WCS America. As a long time fan of puCK, I hope he's able to find a new team soon and wish him the best of luck in the future.
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TelecoM
United States10673 Posts
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
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fingerwaggin
Russian Federation167 Posts
On January 02 2015 17:41 Alphonsse wrote: Top American player u wot m8 | ||
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Garemie
United States248 Posts
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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Friedobert
Germany38 Posts
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
He is one of the best US players? Who do you think is better? Probably only State due to his prolonged stay in Korea | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On January 02 2015 19:42 Grovbolle wrote: He is one of the best US players? Who do you think is better? Probably only State due to his prolonged stay in Korea He is the best US player next to qxc. | ||
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Gathorisx
United Kingdom27 Posts
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Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom551 Posts
On January 02 2015 19:42 Grovbolle wrote: He is one of the best US players? Who do you think is better? Probably only State due to his prolonged stay in Korea CAptain America ofcourse. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8516 Posts
HuK would like to have a word with y'all. Hope he finds a good team! | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On January 02 2015 20:33 Doublemint wrote: HuK would like to have a word with y'all. Hope he finds a good team! HuK is mainly considered a canadian in here, although somewhere it was said, that he has double citizenship. If we would consider him a us-american, he would be the clear nr.1. Now it's probably either puck or QXC. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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aeligos
United States172 Posts
Maybe he should consider casting games on twitch? Someone above compared him to QXC, who happens to be a great caster. Well, there ya go!? A casting duo! The QXC & Puck SC2 Show! That's got a nice ring to it. | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
On January 02 2015 21:55 aeligos wrote: Puck had zero results on the competitive level and I wouldn't call him a pro by any means. Maybe he should consider casting games on twitch? Someone above compared him to QXC, who happens to be a great caster. Well, there ya go!? A casting duo! The QXC & Puck SC2 Show! That's got a nice ring to it. 19,350 $ in tournament wins (2/3 of them in 2014 alone) "zero results" | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
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YurnerotheJuggernaut
Faroe Islands65 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + For those of you who don't speak Humor, allow me to assure you that I can think of no reason not to wish all the best for this fellow human being of mine. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8516 Posts
On January 02 2015 22:20 KingAlphard wrote: 19,350 $ in tournament wins (2/3 of them in 2014 alone) "zero results" yeah. by that logic every foreigner except for _maybe_ the top 5 or so should stop playing the game -_- | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 02 2015 23:10 Doublemint wrote: yeah. by that logic every foreigner except for _maybe_ the top 5 or so should stop playing the game -_- I've seen people out there say basically exactly that. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On January 02 2015 22:20 KingAlphard wrote: 19,350 $ in tournament wins (2/3 of them in 2014 alone) "zero results" You'd think he would check liquidpedia before shitting on his own countryman. | ||
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CamoPillbox
Czech Republic229 Posts
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DinosaurJones
United States1000 Posts
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Taari
Germany138 Posts
So i don't want to hate them unresonably here, but it would be a lie, if i wouldn't say, that i support the fact, that puCK left. Good luck in the future, hope he stays in the scene. Also: Happy new year, everyone. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8240 Posts
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Psychobabas
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 03 2015 01:17 geokilla wrote: Does America have any good players to begin with? There are so little... Huk, if we count him as American, is the best one. After that it's probably qxc and puck. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On January 03 2015 01:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Huk, if we count him as American, is the best one. After that it's probably qxc and puck. State... | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
What has State done if forever? He has no results to prove anything. | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
Also, kind sad that probably one of the top 10 NA players gets people saying "who?" when he leaves a team. Just because some of you don't follow NA players doesn't mean nobody does, puCK has a pretty decent stream following even. | ||
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PinoKotsBeer
Netherlands1385 Posts
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elfonse
416 Posts
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KrOmander
United Kingdom78 Posts
On January 03 2015 02:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: What has State done if forever? He has no results to prove anything. No but he trains in Korea, so that means he is better in some peoples minds even without having anything in competitive play to prove it. I don't know why exactly they think that, but whatever. Good luck to Puck, hope he stays in the scene, good player. | ||
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Nakoz
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On January 02 2015 21:55 aeligos wrote: Puck had zero results on the competitive level and I wouldn't call him a pro by any means. Maybe he should consider casting games on twitch? Someone above compared him to QXC, who happens to be a great caster. Well, there ya go!? A casting duo! The QXC & Puck SC2 Show! That's got a nice ring to it. I dont think they`ll get along that well  | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
Scarlett... | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
...is not American | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13974 Posts
but I am :D | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On January 03 2015 03:25 KrOmander wrote: No but he trains in Korea, so that means he is better in some peoples minds even without having anything in competitive play to prove it. I don't know why exactly they think that, but whatever. Good luck to Puck, hope he stays in the scene, good player. Don't really want to get into this too much, but if you ask any actual player in NA, even in korea too -- instead of arguing with forum posters -- they will tell you they have great respect for State as a player and dood. He is one of the few foreigners who genuinely wants to get good at the game instead of "winning all that he can" which is apparently your only basis for someone being good. State is without a doubt one of the best North Americans, and I'd easily say top 3 protoss. Imo it is kind of silly to argue who is "the best" as each player has their ups and downs over time. That said, good luck to puck! I hope he gets a great new home and that he does well in WCS this season. | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
If we count Huk, we count Scarlett. Anyway its off topic so wont get into it | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 03 2015 05:18 Dunmer wrote: If we count Huk, we count Scarlett. Anyway its off topic so wont get into it Huk counts cause he was born in America, and has dual citizenship. Scarlett is pure Canadian. | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
On January 03 2015 03:01 elfonse wrote: I have a feeling he will get picked up by flipsid3 tactics. They just said they are picking up some new players This actually makes a fair degree of sense. F3 is stable and has an all-NA roster. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
On January 03 2015 02:17 Pokebunny wrote: IvD is not disbanding but lost much of sponsorship and could no longer provide for players some things in their contracts (this was about two months ago). Hence the departure of intense, Phog, and puCK. Current active roster is me, Bones, Zan, NoRegreT, RuFF. We're hoping some of our players can get results in upcoming WCS season to regain sponsorship and maybe pick up a couple more upcoming talents. Also, kind sad that probably one of the top 10 NA players gets people saying "who?" when he leaves a team. Just because some of you don't follow NA players doesn't mean nobody does, puCK has a pretty decent stream following even. They are just being dicks. puCK is top US for sure, especially since it's US and not NA which would include a lot stronger canadian players. | ||
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KrOmander
United Kingdom78 Posts
On January 03 2015 05:12 -Kyo- wrote: Don't really want to get into this too much, but if you ask any actual player in NA, even in korea too -- instead of arguing with forum posters -- they will tell you they have great respect for State as a player and dood. He is one of the few foreigners who genuinely wants to get good at the game instead of "winning all that he can" which is apparently your only basis for someone being good. State is without a doubt one of the best North Americans, and I'd easily say top 3 protoss. Imo it is kind of silly to argue who is "the best" as each player has their ups and downs over time. That said, good luck to puck! I hope he gets a great new home and that he does well in WCS this season. Too many silly strawman styled arguments in your post. You make it sound like I have an agenda against State when in fact I am just looking at results/facts. If competition is not a way to judge someone's level and ability in a given sport/event then what is exactly? | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On January 03 2015 06:53 KrOmander wrote: Too many silly strawman styled arguments in your post. You make it sound like I have an agenda against State when in fact I am just looking at results/facts. If competition is not a way to judge someone's level and ability in a given sport/event then what is exactly? uh, throwing random philosophy words into a post and saying i somehow think you have an agenda in doesn't really change what i stated >.> ... my second sentence answered your last one @_@;; the "fact" is both him, puck, scarlett, qxc and many others are incredibly good, some of whom have "less tournament victories" than others. | ||
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KrOmander
United Kingdom78 Posts
On January 03 2015 07:08 -Kyo- wrote: uh, throwing random philosophy words into a post and saying i somehow think you have an agenda in doesn't really change what i stated >.> ... my second sentence answered your last one @_@;; the "fact" is both him, puck, scarlett, qxc and many others are incredibly good, some of whom have "less tournament victories" than others. Oh they are all good players for sure, but you misinterpret me again. Someone mentioned State as the best NA player and that was what I was replying to. You obviously do not rate achievements in tournaments as very important, which is just not the way any sport works at a professional level. Anyway I do not want to post about this again because I have nothing against the guy, only the people who have a boner over anything Korea and gaming related, like what happened with Sase, Last Shadow etc. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On January 03 2015 04:33 nakoz wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KneK3NwuKqg I dont think they`ll get along that well Can we plz make this a thing on the interwebz? LO(>ik,jmloasewqz12 | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On January 03 2015 07:08 -Kyo- wrote: uh, throwing random philosophy words into a post and saying i somehow think you have an agenda in doesn't really change what i stated >.> ... my second sentence answered your last one @_@;; the "fact" is both him, puck, scarlett, qxc and many others are incredibly good, some of whom have "less tournament victories" than others. It's not neccesarily about tournament victories. It's about in results in general. Take a look at his match history: In the last 3 months the only notable player, he defeated is Arthur (twice). The other guys are people, you see in the early rounds of qualifiers sometime, but not really near pro level. Now take a look at his losses: I can't blame him for losing against the koreans or GungufuBanda, because in the context we are talking about (best US player), there is noone, who would be favored against any of those guys. But losing to Drunkenboi, Schnitzel, Trace and Bails without getting a few wins against notable NA players inbetween is a bit worrying and thus it is a valid argument to just see QXC, puck and maybe even Bails a bit ahead of him, because they have the factual results, he currently does not have. That doesn't mean, he can't get them: MajOr spend a lot of time in korea and didn't achieve anything for a while, getting overhyped before every tourney and then getting eliminated by JazBas in the first round of the LB. Eventually though, he finally improved and is currently one of the best terrans outside of korea and the undisputed best terrans in the americas (Excluding koreans). Maybe State can do the same in the future, but he isn't doing it at this moment. We could have said "Boxer and Yellow are both incredibly good, one of them has just less tournament victories than the other" in the beginning of bw. That didn't happen. People established Boxer as the best player of that era. I think, that we should be honest with ourselves here as well and give puck and QXC the title of "current best US-americans, who are not canadian as well" instead of including more and more people and just say, that they are all great. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 04 2015 01:11 Xoronius wrote: It's not neccesarily about tournament victories. It's about in results in general. Take a look at his match history: In the last 3 months the only notable player, he defeated is Arthur (twice). The other guys are people, you see in the early rounds of qualifiers sometime, but not really near pro level. Now take a look at his losses: I can't blame him for losing against the koreans or GungufuBanda, because in the context we are talking about (best US player), there is noone, who would be favored against any of those guys. But losing to Drunkenboi, Schnitzel, Trace and Bails without getting a few wins against notable NA players inbetween is a bit worrying and thus it is a valid argument to just see QXC, puck and maybe even Bails a bit ahead of him, because they have the factual results, he currently does not have. That doesn't mean, he can't get them: MajOr spend a lot of time in korea and didn't achieve anything for a while, getting overhyped before every tourney and then getting eliminated by JazBas in the first round of the LB. Eventually though, he finally improved and is currently one of the best terrans outside of korea and the undisputed best terrans in the americas (Excluding koreans). Maybe State can do the same in the future, but he isn't doing it at this moment. We could have said "Boxer and Yellow are both incredibly good, one of them has just less tournament victories than the other" in the beginning of bw. That didn't happen. People established Boxer as the best player of that era. I think, that we should be honest with ourselves here as well and give puck and QXC the title of "current best US-americans, who are not canadian as well" instead of including more and more people and just say, that they are all great. Boxer is the most overrated player in the history of anything. I think Boxer is a reason for why people should be more reluctant to call anyone " the best." As for State, I looked at his matchup stats the other day, and he has been atrocious versus Terran. Unfortunately or rightly so, even if you're vastly superior to others in a broad sense, as long as you have a matchup that lags behind, you're boned in tournaments, without bracket luck. Hitman is ahead of Puck, atm, on ladder. Who talks about Hitman? A guy who plays like maxblack, but with slightly different strats, is doing the best on NA ladder. People already know what the guy is going to do... NA players are obviously deeply flawed and there can't be a big enough difference between players to even suggest that one player is the best. Saying who the best in the NA is little more than saying "hey, this is my favorite player between players at an indistinguishable level." | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On January 04 2015 01:28 playa wrote: Boxer is the most overrated player in the history of anything. I think Boxer is a reason for why people should be more reluctant to call anyone " the best." As for State, I looked at his matchup stats the other day, and he has been atrocious versus Terran. Unfortunately or rightly so, even if you're vastly superior to others in a broad sense, as long as you have a matchup that lags behind, you're boned in tournaments, without bracket luck. Hitman is ahead of Puck, atm, on ladder. Who talks about Hitman? A guy who plays like maxblack, but with slightly different strats, is doing the best on NA ladder. People already know what the guy is going to do... NA players are obviously deeply flawed and there can't be a big enough difference between players to even suggest that one player is the best. Saying who the best in the NA is little more than saying "hey, this is my favorite player between players at an indistinguishable level." Hitman can be talked about as well, I just forgot about him while writing the post. Yes, you're right about US players being hard to judge, because of the relatively small sample size. But trying to analyze data with a small sample size is probably still better than having none at all. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On January 04 2015 01:39 Xoronius wrote: Hitman can be talked about as well, I just forgot about him while writing the post. Yes, you're right about US players being hard to judge, because of the relatively small sample size. But trying to analyze data with a small sample size is probably still better than having none at all. I think you have to quantify things by saying "best tournament player." State could be top 50 GM on Korea, but he wouldn't win any NA tournaments unless he improved his P vs T. Meanwhile, Puck could be 110th on the ladder, yet win all of them. Would that necessarily make Puck the better player? I don't think so. Even if did, there's so many players who play at such a similar level that who is to say someone else wouldn't become better tomorrow? Until there is a big discrepancy/gap, it's just not a meaningful title even if accurate. | ||
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pigmanbear
Angola2010 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 04 2015 04:19 pigmanbear wrote: Good luck finding another team pucK! Anyone else think pucK played a lot better when he was LeiYa (which Liquipedia strangely omits from his alts list)? He already found another team, not sure why it isn't in news if him leaving one is. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/474492-puck-and-silky-join-flipsid3-tactics And liquipedia omits stuff that players don't want people to remember. | ||
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kaykoose
United States2302 Posts
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
On January 02 2015 21:55 aeligos wrote: Puck had zero results on the competitive level and I wouldn't call him a pro by any means. Maybe he should consider casting games on twitch? Someone above compared him to QXC, who happens to be a great caster. Well, there ya go!? A casting duo! The QXC & Puck SC2 Show! That's got a nice ring to it. well than usa has no pro players at all right? | ||
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FreedomSC2
Canada224 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Flipsid3_Tactics | ||
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FreedomSC2
Canada224 Posts
[QUOTE]On January 04 2015 04:19 pigmanbear wrote: Good luck finding another team pucK! Anyone else think pucK played a lot better when he was LeiYa (which Liquipedia strangely omits from his alts list)?[/QUOTE] He already found another team, not sure why it isn't in news if him leaving one is. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/474492-puck-and-silky-join-flipsid3-tactics]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/474492-puck-and-silky-join-flipsid3-tactics[/url] And liquipedia omits stuff that players don't want people to remember.[/QUOTE You beat me too it :D | ||
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