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On December 15 2014 07:37 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 07:32 Dingodile wrote:On December 15 2014 07:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former. TCM begun with "EU-centric" sc2, ofcourse Yoda and First are the best solution for this. They lived in EU, participated EU tournaments etc. Now, TCM changed their sc2-view from EU to worldwide, Soulkey is definitely the better player for this. I am sure, Yoda and First werent kicked or whatever, their contracts haven't been extended. So they only had like a 4-month contract? The point is as everyone is pointing out there is no difference between YoDa/First on one hand and Soulkey on the other except potentially for skill level. They're all Koreans only eligible to play in Korea. So the only reasonable explanation for TCM's actions is they just think Soulkey is better than YoDa and First. Now that's a legitimate decision and may turn out well, but their statement in effect blaming the region lock was obviously BS and doesn't make me feel good about the team's transparency.
They had a contract for this season I assume and it would most likely have been extended if they could've played WCS Premiere next year. Since they can not, they are forced to play in Korea and if they have to be in Korea anyway, my guess is they'd rather be on a Korean team and have the possibility to play Proleague too. Now Soulkey on the other hand seems to have enough of Proleague and team houses and wants to do a Jaedong instead.
That doesn't change the fact that if WCS had not been changed, Yoda and First would still play WCS EU and most likely still be on TCM.
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Okay, okay.. I like this. The brits!
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Jordan141 Posts
I hoped TL would pick him up 
Good luck in your new team man!
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On December 15 2014 07:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former.
Why is it bullshit? It would have been bullshit if they had been kicked, but nowhere was it mentioned that they were. They just mutually agreed to end the contract, which could as well have come from Yoda/First saying "we want to compete in proleague if we have to compete in Korea anyway, let's part ways".
Why do you automatically assume TCM decided to kick them and lie about the reasons instead of the much more logical reason that this was a mutual thing. Occam's Razor and all.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On December 15 2014 07:39 Yakikorosu wrote:Why do you say that? That's a serious question--is there something that's known about TCM that makes them more legit than Invasion, or say, D.Pix? To me they're all teams that very little is known about but they've had Koreans on their roster for at least a few months and have legitimately sent them to foreign events, which is more than you can say for truly "shady" teams like LYGF and its ilk.
TCM is way bigger team than Invasion/DeadPixels, lol.
It's not like they're some newfags either, so in case someone comes from other scenes, they would have recognise name and follow it closely.
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On December 15 2014 06:57 KatatoniK wrote:
This is intriguing more than anything. TCM just got rid of Yoda and First because of the new region lock, now they sign Soulkey? I'm not entirely sure what the difference in circumstance is here.
Glad to see him on a legit team at least.
Quite weird indeed. Hard to think of a player forfeiting WCS but it seems that's exactly the case.
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France9034 Posts
That's a nice pickup by TCM.
Also, funny Aeromi. 
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On December 15 2014 07:44 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 07:37 Yakikorosu wrote:On December 15 2014 07:32 Dingodile wrote:On December 15 2014 07:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former. TCM begun with "EU-centric" sc2, ofcourse Yoda and First are the best solution for this. They lived in EU, participated EU tournaments etc. Now, TCM changed their sc2-view from EU to worldwide, Soulkey is definitely the better player for this. I am sure, Yoda and First werent kicked or whatever, their contracts haven't been extended. So they only had like a 4-month contract? The point is as everyone is pointing out there is no difference between YoDa/First on one hand and Soulkey on the other except potentially for skill level. They're all Koreans only eligible to play in Korea. So the only reasonable explanation for TCM's actions is they just think Soulkey is better than YoDa and First. Now that's a legitimate decision and may turn out well, but their statement in effect blaming the region lock was obviously BS and doesn't make me feel good about the team's transparency. They had a contract for this season I assume and it would most likely have been extended if they could've played WCS Premiere next year. Since they can not, they are forced to play in Korea and if they have to be in Korea anyway, my guess is they'd rather be on a Korean team and have the possibility to play Proleague too. Now Soulkey on the other hand seems to have enough of Proleague and team houses and wants to do a Jaedong instead. That doesn't change the fact that if WCS had not been changed, Yoda and First would still play WCS EU and most likely still be on TCM.
I guess this can be debated forever since we just don't know but somehow I doubt that First and YoDa chose to stop going to international tournaments and instead go back to SPL. Maybe if they had an offer from one of the top SPL teams, but Prime? And First doesn't even have a team (yet) that we know of. To me it feels like a TCM statement of "you guys didn't do as well as we expectd, let's try someone else."
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On December 15 2014 07:54 FrodoAntheSlobSticks wrote:
Turner Classic Movies!!
I had the same thought. I bet Robert Osborne would play mass swarm hosts. Ben? Probably Protoss and nonstop cheese.
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On December 15 2014 07:39 Yakikorosu wrote:Why do you say that? That's a serious question--is there something that's known about TCM that makes them more legit than Invasion, or say, D.Pix? To me they're all teams that very little is known about but they've had Koreans on their roster for at least a few months and have legitimately sent them to foreign events, which is more than you can say for truly "shady" teams like LYGF and its ilk.
TCM is a very well known organization in the european scene. If I'm not wrong they have one of the best european Call Of Duty teams and they are in the scene for long time, that's why lots of people know that they are a good organization.
Dpixels are in close relation with mYinsanity, and mYi staff confirms that Dpixels is a good organization, and I personal belive in mYi. And thay have already worked with Axiom paying to TRUE the gaming house, and TB confirmed that there were no problems with them.
Invasion. Mh. Nobody really know them
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On December 15 2014 07:37 Yakikorosu wrote:
So they only had like a 4-month contract?
The point is as everyone is pointing out there is no difference between YoDa/First on one hand and Soulkey on the other except potentially for skill level. They're all Koreans only eligible to play in Korea. So the only reasonable explanation for TCM's actions is they just think Soulkey is better than YoDa and First. Now that's a legitimate decision and may turn out well, but their statement in effect blaming the region lock was obviously BS and doesn't make me feel good about the team's transparency.
The thing is that YoDa and First are not good enough to make good result appart from WCS. If TCM wants result it can't count on those two.
Soulkey can't play WCS BUT he is good enough to do well in any tournament he goes.
So the decision to take a better player is an effect of the region lock, not because this player will be able to play in WCS but because he will be able to make good result in europe and NA.
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On December 15 2014 07:39 Yakikorosu wrote:Why do you say that? That's a serious question--is there something that's known about TCM that makes them more legit than Invasion, or say, D.Pix? To me they're all teams that very little is known about but they've had Koreans on their roster for at least a few months and have legitimately sent them to foreign events, which is more than you can say for truly "shady" teams like LYGF and its ilk.
They had the best CoD team in Europe for a while, have teams for Halo/Fifa/WoT and used to be involved in LoL, CS, Dota 2 and TF2. TCM are a pretty well known team, have been around for a long time and they have a good reputation. Redeye even worked for them in the past and had nothing but nice things to say about them when they first got involved with sc2.
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What, Soulkey going to Europe?
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So, they traded in a couplee of mid to low-tier koreans and they got an actual champion. Very understandable imho. I think if you add just the plane tickets and hotels of all the places TCM has sent those two, around EU and the world and if you compare to how much prize money they've made at said events, the balance would be negative. And i don't even talk about what salary they probably had. As many people above put it, Soulkey is a champion plain and simple and he is much more likely to win your random DH-RedBull-IEM etc and prove himself economically viable, while bringing himself the glory that he deserves and the traveling and exploring that he wants.
GL Soulkey and TCM, great pickup great choice
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Grats to Soulkey.
This is still weird by TCM
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On December 15 2014 07:55 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 07:44 Musicus wrote:On December 15 2014 07:37 Yakikorosu wrote:On December 15 2014 07:32 Dingodile wrote:On December 15 2014 07:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former. TCM begun with "EU-centric" sc2, ofcourse Yoda and First are the best solution for this. They lived in EU, participated EU tournaments etc. Now, TCM changed their sc2-view from EU to worldwide, Soulkey is definitely the better player for this. I am sure, Yoda and First werent kicked or whatever, their contracts haven't been extended. So they only had like a 4-month contract? The point is as everyone is pointing out there is no difference between YoDa/First on one hand and Soulkey on the other except potentially for skill level. They're all Koreans only eligible to play in Korea. So the only reasonable explanation for TCM's actions is they just think Soulkey is better than YoDa and First. Now that's a legitimate decision and may turn out well, but their statement in effect blaming the region lock was obviously BS and doesn't make me feel good about the team's transparency. They had a contract for this season I assume and it would most likely have been extended if they could've played WCS Premiere next year. Since they can not, they are forced to play in Korea and if they have to be in Korea anyway, my guess is they'd rather be on a Korean team and have the possibility to play Proleague too. Now Soulkey on the other hand seems to have enough of Proleague and team houses and wants to do a Jaedong instead. That doesn't change the fact that if WCS had not been changed, Yoda and First would still play WCS EU and most likely still be on TCM. I guess this can be debated forever since we just don't know but somehow I doubt that First and YoDa chose to stop going to international tournaments and instead go back to SPL. Maybe if they had an offer from one of the top SPL teams, but Prime? And First doesn't even have a team (yet) that we know of. To me it feels like a TCM statement of "you guys didn't do as well as we expectd, let's try someone else."
It's just that Yoda seemed happy to me on twitter and thanked TCM for everything, no complains at all. So I think they decided things together and it was a mutual agreement.
But you are right, we can't really know and it would make sense for them to offer Soulkey more than they did Yoda/First. It's really expensive to fly a player out of Korea and chances are high that Soulkey will do much better. It still does not mean that they wouldn't have kept First/Yoda if thy could've kept competing in WCS EU from Germany. The costs would've been way lower to send them to tournaments and they would've done well in WCS. Now the risks is too high and the return too low to keep them. Either way TCM seems cool to me and the main reason for Yoda/First leaving/being kicked is still the WCS changes.
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No PartinG, Soulkey, Rain, Fantasy in proleague T_T
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