• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:39
CEST 16:39
KST 23:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202537Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced53BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Interview with Chris "ChanmanV" Chan Serral wins EWC 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ"
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Nobody gona talk about this year crazy qualifiers? BW General Discussion Scmdraft 2 - 0.9.0 Preview
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
9/11 Anniversary Possible Al Qaeda Attack on 9/11 US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 687 users

Soulkey joins TCM - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
102 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
December 14 2014 21:58 GMT
#21
wtf? 2 Koreans out. 1 Korean in
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 21:58:54
December 14 2014 21:58 GMT
#22
I'm pretty sure the announcement didn't say they released Yoda and First, so maybe Yoda and First decided they wanted to leave because of the region lock. That would make sense, if they have to compete in Korea they might as well join a team that plays proleague.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 14 2014 21:58 GMT
#23
On December 15 2014 06:58 Xinzoe wrote:
wtf? 2 Koreans out. 1 Korean in


2 for 1 bargain deal
Moderator
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 22:07:27
December 14 2014 22:01 GMT
#24
On December 15 2014 06:58 Mikau wrote:
I'm pretty sure the announcement didn't say they released Yoda and First, so maybe Yoda and First decided they wanted to leave because of the region lock. That would make sense, if they have to compete in Korea they might as well join a team that plays proleague.


Yep, I guess they wanted to play proleague and Soulkey does not. He'd rather travel to foreign tournaments.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
December 14 2014 22:01 GMT
#25
On December 15 2014 06:47 swissman777 wrote:
Then why Yoda and First leave??? What's so different with them and Soulkey?

Curious about this as well. I'm guessing YoDa was already looking to rejoin a KR team. Either way nice to see that TCM is indeed staying in SC2.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 14 2014 22:04 GMT
#26
YoDa joint Prime just a Day after TCM. I think both want to play PL and thus left TCM which will nowhere let their player(s) play PL.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 22:09:11
December 14 2014 22:08 GMT
#27
Soulkey is just way more marketable than First and YoDa, even Gumba forgave him already probably :>
Best wishes, Kim Min Chul, hope you succeed there. <3
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Halii
Profile Joined March 2013
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 22:11:44
December 14 2014 22:10 GMT
#28
Well now most koreans can't compet in WCS, so YoDa and First aren't usefull, but Soulkey is much stronger so he'll probably have good result in tournament, probably even a win or two so even if he doesn't compete in WCS he can still be a good player for the team.
I hope he'll finaly learn english, i'm waiting since WCS season 1 final 2013 !
KIM MIN CHUL FIGHTING ! <3
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
December 14 2014 22:10 GMT
#29
Good to see Soulkey's going to be in an environment where he'll be valued as an individual. We could use more of that.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 22:17:28
December 14 2014 22:17 GMT
#30
I don't understand it, but more Soulkey more fun?

On December 15 2014 07:04 Clonester wrote:
YoDa joint Prime just a Day after TCM. I think both want to play PL and thus left TCM which will nowhere let their player(s) play PL.

nu-uh,
The announcement of Yoda leaving TCM came a day before the announcement of Yoda joining Prime.
I want to make sure you are not thinking they signed a contract within 24 hours, obviously, all parties knew what was going on
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
December 14 2014 22:18 GMT
#31
Grats!

I think TCM noticed that Yoda and First are only strong in EU but not "worldwide", but now.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
December 14 2014 22:25 GMT
#32
WHAT! So much for a EU/International focus!

Hopefully we will see more of Soulkey at foreign events!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 22:26:30
December 14 2014 22:26 GMT
#33
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former.
Mamba
Profile Joined September 2014
Switzerland39 Posts
December 14 2014 22:28 GMT
#34
On December 15 2014 06:54 Nazca wrote:
I kinda dislike this. He sure said he wanted to attend more international tourneys, but really I'll miss him in Proleague

Looks like he has enogh losing to Shine in proleague lol
Romandy Gaming
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
December 14 2014 22:32 GMT
#35
On December 15 2014 07:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former.

TCM begun with "EU-centric" sc2, ofcourse Yoda and First are the best solution for this. They lived in EU, participated EU tournaments etc. Now, TCM changed their sc2-view from EU to worldwide, Soulkey is definitely the better player for this.

I am sure, Yoda and First werent kicked or whatever, their contracts haven't been extended.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
December 14 2014 22:35 GMT
#36
for sure better than Invasion
Vasacast always in my <3
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
December 14 2014 22:37 GMT
#37
On December 15 2014 07:32 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 07:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former.

TCM begun with "EU-centric" sc2, ofcourse Yoda and First are the best solution for this. They lived in EU, participated EU tournaments etc. Now, TCM changed their sc2-view from EU to worldwide, Soulkey is definitely the better player for this.

I am sure, Yoda and First werent kicked or whatever, their contracts haven't been extended.


So they only had like a 4-month contract?

The point is as everyone is pointing out there is no difference between YoDa/First on one hand and Soulkey on the other except potentially for skill level. They're all Koreans only eligible to play in Korea. So the only reasonable explanation for TCM's actions is they just think Soulkey is better than YoDa and First. Now that's a legitimate decision and may turn out well, but their statement in effect blaming the region lock was obviously BS and doesn't make me feel good about the team's transparency.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8516 Posts
December 14 2014 22:39 GMT
#38
On December 15 2014 06:57 KatatoniK wrote:
This is intriguing more than anything. TCM just got rid of Yoda and First because of the new region lock, now they sign Soulkey? I'm not entirely sure what the difference in circumstance is here.

Glad to see him on a legit team at least.


apparently they only like Zerg players.

hope it works out for them
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
December 14 2014 22:39 GMT
#39
On December 15 2014 07:35 SuperHofmann wrote:
for sure better than Invasion


Why do you say that? That's a serious question--is there something that's known about TCM that makes them more legit than Invasion, or say, D.Pix? To me they're all teams that very little is known about but they've had Koreans on their roster for at least a few months and have legitimately sent them to foreign events, which is more than you can say for truly "shady" teams like LYGF and its ilk.
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
December 14 2014 22:39 GMT
#40
On December 15 2014 07:37 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 07:32 Dingodile wrote:
On December 15 2014 07:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former.

TCM begun with "EU-centric" sc2, ofcourse Yoda and First are the best solution for this. They lived in EU, participated EU tournaments etc. Now, TCM changed their sc2-view from EU to worldwide, Soulkey is definitely the better player for this.

I am sure, Yoda and First werent kicked or whatever, their contracts haven't been extended.


So they only had like a 4-month contract?

The point is as everyone is pointing out there is no difference between YoDa/First on one hand and Soulkey on the other except potentially for skill level. They're all Koreans only eligible to play in Korea. So the only reasonable explanation for TCM's actions is they just think Soulkey is better than YoDa and First. Now that's a legitimate decision and may turn out well, but their statement in effect blaming the region lock was obviously BS and doesn't make me feel good about the team's transparency.

I think Soulkey doesn't mind to being stable in Korea. So he is free to travel, thing that First and YoDa have done but he didn't.
Vasacast always in my <3
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
14:00
Playoff - Day 2/2 - Final
Mihu vs FengziLIVE!
Dewalt vs BonythLIVE!
ZZZero.O180
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .291
mcanning 65
MindelVK 52
ProTech49
ForJumy 7
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 92969
Calm 5187
Mini 1117
Horang2 961
EffOrt 614
BeSt 605
Stork 481
ggaemo 474
firebathero 317
Hyuk 292
[ Show more ]
Mong 287
Larva 281
hero 251
ZZZero.O 180
Leta 113
Zeus 102
ToSsGirL 91
TY 85
Sea.KH 38
Sharp 14
Terrorterran 14
Noble 11
NaDa 6
Dota 2
qojqva3233
Gorgc2910
XcaliburYe387
420jenkins305
League of Legends
Reynor24
Counter-Strike
fl0m958
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor389
Liquid`Hasu313
Other Games
B2W.Neo965
DeMusliM700
Happy243
mouzStarbuck176
ArmadaUGS161
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV31
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Gemini_19 97
• Berry_CruncH53
• davetesta51
• Reevou 13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix9
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV788
League of Legends
• Jankos1563
Upcoming Events
WardiTV European League
1h 21m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
HeRoMaRinE vs MaxPax
Wardi Open
20h 21m
OSC
1d 9h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
HCC Europe
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.