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Xinzoe
Profile Joined January 2014
Korea (South)2373 Posts
December 14 2014 21:58 GMT
#21
wtf? 2 Koreans out. 1 Korean in
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 21:58:54
December 14 2014 21:58 GMT
#22
I'm pretty sure the announcement didn't say they released Yoda and First, so maybe Yoda and First decided they wanted to leave because of the region lock. That would make sense, if they have to compete in Korea they might as well join a team that plays proleague.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 14 2014 21:58 GMT
#23
On December 15 2014 06:58 Xinzoe wrote:
wtf? 2 Koreans out. 1 Korean in


2 for 1 bargain deal
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 22:07:27
December 14 2014 22:01 GMT
#24
On December 15 2014 06:58 Mikau wrote:
I'm pretty sure the announcement didn't say they released Yoda and First, so maybe Yoda and First decided they wanted to leave because of the region lock. That would make sense, if they have to compete in Korea they might as well join a team that plays proleague.


Yep, I guess they wanted to play proleague and Soulkey does not. He'd rather travel to foreign tournaments.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
December 14 2014 22:01 GMT
#25
On December 15 2014 06:47 swissman777 wrote:
Then why Yoda and First leave??? What's so different with them and Soulkey?

Curious about this as well. I'm guessing YoDa was already looking to rejoin a KR team. Either way nice to see that TCM is indeed staying in SC2.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 14 2014 22:04 GMT
#26
YoDa joint Prime just a Day after TCM. I think both want to play PL and thus left TCM which will nowhere let their player(s) play PL.
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oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 22:09:11
December 14 2014 22:08 GMT
#27
Soulkey is just way more marketable than First and YoDa, even Gumba forgave him already probably :>
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Halii
Profile Joined March 2013
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 22:11:44
December 14 2014 22:10 GMT
#28
Well now most koreans can't compet in WCS, so YoDa and First aren't usefull, but Soulkey is much stronger so he'll probably have good result in tournament, probably even a win or two so even if he doesn't compete in WCS he can still be a good player for the team.
I hope he'll finaly learn english, i'm waiting since WCS season 1 final 2013 !
KIM MIN CHUL FIGHTING ! <3
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
December 14 2014 22:10 GMT
#29
Good to see Soulkey's going to be in an environment where he'll be valued as an individual. We could use more of that.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 22:17:28
December 14 2014 22:17 GMT
#30
I don't understand it, but more Soulkey more fun?

On December 15 2014 07:04 Clonester wrote:
YoDa joint Prime just a Day after TCM. I think both want to play PL and thus left TCM which will nowhere let their player(s) play PL.

nu-uh,
The announcement of Yoda leaving TCM came a day before the announcement of Yoda joining Prime.
I want to make sure you are not thinking they signed a contract within 24 hours, obviously, all parties knew what was going on
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4137 Posts
December 14 2014 22:18 GMT
#31
Grats!

I think TCM noticed that Yoda and First are only strong in EU but not "worldwide", but now.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
December 14 2014 22:25 GMT
#32
WHAT! So much for a EU/International focus!

Hopefully we will see more of Soulkey at foreign events!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-14 22:26:30
December 14 2014 22:26 GMT
#33
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former.
Mamba
Profile Joined September 2014
Switzerland39 Posts
December 14 2014 22:28 GMT
#34
On December 15 2014 06:54 Nazca wrote:
I kinda dislike this. He sure said he wanted to attend more international tourneys, but really I'll miss him in Proleague

Looks like he has enogh losing to Shine in proleague lol
Romandy Gaming
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4137 Posts
December 14 2014 22:32 GMT
#35
On December 15 2014 07:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former.

TCM begun with "EU-centric" sc2, ofcourse Yoda and First are the best solution for this. They lived in EU, participated EU tournaments etc. Now, TCM changed their sc2-view from EU to worldwide, Soulkey is definitely the better player for this.

I am sure, Yoda and First werent kicked or whatever, their contracts haven't been extended.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
December 14 2014 22:35 GMT
#36
for sure better than Invasion
Vasacast always in my <3
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
December 14 2014 22:37 GMT
#37
On December 15 2014 07:32 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 07:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former.

TCM begun with "EU-centric" sc2, ofcourse Yoda and First are the best solution for this. They lived in EU, participated EU tournaments etc. Now, TCM changed their sc2-view from EU to worldwide, Soulkey is definitely the better player for this.

I am sure, Yoda and First werent kicked or whatever, their contracts haven't been extended.


So they only had like a 4-month contract?

The point is as everyone is pointing out there is no difference between YoDa/First on one hand and Soulkey on the other except potentially for skill level. They're all Koreans only eligible to play in Korea. So the only reasonable explanation for TCM's actions is they just think Soulkey is better than YoDa and First. Now that's a legitimate decision and may turn out well, but their statement in effect blaming the region lock was obviously BS and doesn't make me feel good about the team's transparency.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8635 Posts
December 14 2014 22:39 GMT
#38
On December 15 2014 06:57 KatatoniK wrote:
This is intriguing more than anything. TCM just got rid of Yoda and First because of the new region lock, now they sign Soulkey? I'm not entirely sure what the difference in circumstance is here.

Glad to see him on a legit team at least.


apparently they only like Zerg players.

hope it works out for them
in the age of "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" leadership.
Yakikorosu
Profile Joined March 2013
1203 Posts
December 14 2014 22:39 GMT
#39
On December 15 2014 07:35 SuperHofmann wrote:
for sure better than Invasion


Why do you say that? That's a serious question--is there something that's known about TCM that makes them more legit than Invasion, or say, D.Pix? To me they're all teams that very little is known about but they've had Koreans on their roster for at least a few months and have legitimately sent them to foreign events, which is more than you can say for truly "shady" teams like LYGF and its ilk.
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
December 14 2014 22:39 GMT
#40
On December 15 2014 07:37 Yakikorosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2014 07:32 Dingodile wrote:
On December 15 2014 07:26 Yakikorosu wrote:
Well as everyone is pointing out obviously the "can't compete in Europe" reason for First/YoDa leaving was BS. Which means YoDa/First left because they weren't doing well enough at European events (only finals appearance in a major tournament between the two of them was YoDa's loss in WCS EU finals). Only thing we don't know is if TCM kicked them out or they wanted to leave because they'd rather go to a Proleague team. I'm guessing the former.

TCM begun with "EU-centric" sc2, ofcourse Yoda and First are the best solution for this. They lived in EU, participated EU tournaments etc. Now, TCM changed their sc2-view from EU to worldwide, Soulkey is definitely the better player for this.

I am sure, Yoda and First werent kicked or whatever, their contracts haven't been extended.


So they only had like a 4-month contract?

The point is as everyone is pointing out there is no difference between YoDa/First on one hand and Soulkey on the other except potentially for skill level. They're all Koreans only eligible to play in Korea. So the only reasonable explanation for TCM's actions is they just think Soulkey is better than YoDa and First. Now that's a legitimate decision and may turn out well, but their statement in effect blaming the region lock was obviously BS and doesn't make me feel good about the team's transparency.

I think Soulkey doesn't mind to being stable in Korea. So he is free to travel, thing that First and YoDa have done but he didn't.
Vasacast always in my <3
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