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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 08 2014 02:00 GMT
#981
On November 08 2014 10:56 royalroadweed wrote:
Are the stasis units immune to damage like in brood war? Because stasis + storm is terrifying.


They are, it says so in the video
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Startyr
Profile Joined November 2011
Scotland188 Posts
November 08 2014 02:01 GMT
#982
I am wondering how hellion/cyclone matches up to the equivalents
It look s like 1 cyclone beats 1 stalker but blink stalkers might beat them? of course numbers matter.

Also does the disrupter cause friendly fire and how many fit inside a warp prism. For example 1 disrupter and 2 sentries although I am guessing it will be gas heavy.

A new mineral heavy unit could be useful for protoss but not sure what that could be.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19218 Posts
November 08 2014 02:03 GMT
#983
On November 08 2014 06:44 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 06:30 BisuDagger wrote:
This is pretty fucking awesome. I'm all in!

Esports confirmed saved, BisuDagger is back.

Hell yeah. I'm really pumped to invest energy into SC2. I really hope beta doesn't eliminate anything.
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Disciple7seveN
Profile Joined December 2009
France28 Posts
November 08 2014 02:06 GMT
#984
I feel like Protoss is in the same boat as Terran was at the release of HotS: basically the same as the previous expansion... Also, I believe there are some fundamental things that need to be addressed as long as blizz has their radical-change pencil out. There's no good reason why T should continue to be the only race that has to deal with friendly damage... :/ but I'm glad they're shaking things up! We'll have to wait to see where all the pieces fall!
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washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
November 08 2014 02:13 GMT
#985
Seems cool/ I like the cyclone it seems like it will fill the role of a Goliath for mech Terran finally a small mobile mech unit that can deal with mid range units and air. I think the economy change will be interesting it means players can start building units allot sooner which may improve the pace of the game and let people be much more aggressive. I know alot of people will whine about it but I'm in favor of it. For most pro games you can just ff for 2 minutes I like the fact that they are being bold and making bold changes.

Also people quite whining Bliz gives us radical changes that will reshape the game and what do we as a community do? We whine on the forums?

Appreciate the fact that they are willing to really try to fix the game and improve variety. Also they fulfilled so many community request. Changes to warpins, a way to deal with force fields, more viable mech. Just be happy = ) .
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Omegatemplar
Profile Joined November 2014
Japan4 Posts
November 08 2014 02:14 GMT
#986
On November 08 2014 10:56 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 10:51 Omegatemplar wrote:
On November 08 2014 10:05 Satan Battles wrote:
On November 08 2014 08:57 Omegatemplar wrote:
Of course the game will be balanced and nothing is final yet. But toss need more attention from Blizzard. I think they are not giving The Power of Protoss to the game. So many changes that affect the game. Terran has much more tech than Protoss or Zerg at multiplayer. And at the history toss get thousands of years ahead of Terran in tech. Please, Blizzard, show us the True Power of Protoss.


Toss got the most out of HoTS without a doubt. MSC makes Toss safe from ANY early cheese (At least for its duration), void rays get bonus dmg instantly, oracle is an amazing unit, and tempests are good as well. Terran got Hellbats and Mines, which only affect ZvT. Zerg got SH and Viper, SH can be abused in ZvP, but in general are so immobile that outplaying them is just a matter of moving faster than them (not hard). Viper is good, but how many games do Zergs even get to Hive? It only affects the lategame. I for one am glad to see Zerg getting more useful early/midgame options, Protoss already has such a well rounded group of units that trade extremely well.



Thanks for the reply.

I understand they are trying to do the best, but I think they have to do more love to the Protoss in His expo. Terran and Zerg seems not so powerfull than Protoss at the early beta of HotS. And they change toss.

Maybe a cool and Powerfull new unit.

If we see, Toss get nerfed at Nexus Photon overcharge, that only attacks ground units now. By now.
Tempest has not been nerfed, but i like that she works before, Tempest really are a imponent ship.
Maybe even Immortal have been nerfed. Before, we can tank a planetary fortress. Now I think we will need more immortals to do that.

AND, not buff another protoss units but buff Terran units and Zerg units it's like a Protoss nerf.

But like I said, the game will be balanced with time, for sure. But now looks like IMBA.


The big problem for me is that there's little to be added for Protoss. They have great harrassment with warp prism and great air units, great power units like the colossi/immortal/tempest, great micro opportunities with multiple spellcasters, great strategic possibilities overall. Adding to that could easily make the race way too good.

For Zerg and Terran, strategies are much more boring and the new units could change that by a lot!



But now Tempest will not attack air units, it will have a air attack but is a dot and not splash damage. I mean, the unit will continue at the battleground until his death, but will do damage in the meantime. By air toss are in trouble. Carriers are very expensive unit. I think this changes at carriers are not so good that seems.

Well, again, the game will change for sure, its a few news yet. But what I' saying is the toss needs more love
jojos11
Profile Joined March 2014
Korea (North)314 Posts
November 08 2014 02:22 GMT
#987
lmao tempest cant hit air units means broodlord + swarmhost free win vs protoss

User was warned for this post
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
November 08 2014 02:24 GMT
#988
On November 08 2014 11:22 jojos11 wrote:
lmao tempest cant hit air units means broodlord + swarmhost free win vs protoss

Tempests now have the DoT.
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CyDe
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1010 Posts
November 08 2014 02:25 GMT
#989
On November 08 2014 11:06 Disciple7seveN wrote:
I feel like Protoss is in the same boat as Terran was at the release of HotS: basically the same as the previous expansion... Also, I believe there are some fundamental things that need to be addressed as long as blizz has their radical-change pencil out. There's no good reason why T should continue to be the only race that has to deal with friendly damage... :/ but I'm glad they're shaking things up! We'll have to wait to see where all the pieces fall!

I think the Disruptor should deal friendly damage. With an AoE unit like that I feel like friendly fire would force the Protoss to control the unit more.
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CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
November 08 2014 02:26 GMT
#990
On November 08 2014 11:22 jojos11 wrote:
lmao tempest cant hit air units means broodlord + swarmhost free win vs protoss


They said mass swarmhost would no longer be viable due to the increased delay on locust waves.
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
November 08 2014 02:26 GMT
#991
lurkerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

please let the other P unit be ribo
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 02:32:43
November 08 2014 02:27 GMT
#992
On November 08 2014 11:13 washikie wrote:
Seems cool/ I like the cyclone it seems like it will fill the role of a Goliath for mech Terran finally a small mobile mech unit that can deal with mid range units and air. I think the economy change will be interesting it means players can start building units allot sooner which may improve the pace of the game and let people be much more aggressive. I know alot of people will whine about it but I'm in favor of it. For most pro games you can just ff for 2 minutes I like the fact that they are being bold and making bold changes.

Also people quite whining Bliz gives us radical changes that will reshape the game and what do we as a community do? We whine on the forums?

Appreciate the fact that they are willing to really try to fix the game and improve variety. Also they fulfilled so many community request. Changes to warpins, a way to deal with force fields, more viable mech. Just be happy = ) .


I still think this could have been accomplished by redesigning the Thor. Right now the Thor is an unmicroable slow unit, and it has two modes. Why not just buff its mobility a bit and create more focus on its transformation mechanics? What if you had to transform back and fourth between the two modes durin an engagmeent in order to optimize your play?

I think this could be really fun and I think the Cyclone has a huge overlop with other terarn units. I don't see how this has any unique role at all.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 08 2014 02:29 GMT
#993
On November 08 2014 10:44 Ljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 10:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
The cyclone is a terrible unit that hopefully doesnt make it into the game....

Reasoning please.

Being able to shoot while moving without requiring any player input, is the opposite of micro.
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unpurposed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States3 Posts
November 08 2014 02:29 GMT
#994
So does this mean that we shouldn't expect any swarmhost changes before LOTV?
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
November 08 2014 02:31 GMT
#995
On November 08 2014 11:29 unpurposed wrote:
So does this mean that we shouldn't expect any swarmhost changes before LOTV?

I believe so, I don't know if they'll bother to patch HOTS until LOTV. Similar to the era of WinfesterBroodlord, where they waited until HOTS to nerf it instead of patching it out in WOL.
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NexT_SC2
Profile Joined May 2013
United States117 Posts
November 08 2014 02:31 GMT
#996
I think Blizzard was trying to make the game easier to watch for newer players by making units with more micro potential, eg; Herc, dissruptor, siege tanks, ravenger, etc.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13388 Posts
November 08 2014 02:32 GMT
#997
On November 08 2014 11:25 CyDe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 11:06 Disciple7seveN wrote:
I feel like Protoss is in the same boat as Terran was at the release of HotS: basically the same as the previous expansion... Also, I believe there are some fundamental things that need to be addressed as long as blizz has their radical-change pencil out. There's no good reason why T should continue to be the only race that has to deal with friendly damage... :/ but I'm glad they're shaking things up! We'll have to wait to see where all the pieces fall!

I think the Disruptor should deal friendly damage. With an AoE unit like that I feel like friendly fire would force the Protoss to control the unit more.


I think they've reworked a lot of our units, pretty substantially ... the oracle is basically a new unit. The immortal is seeing major changes. The photon overcharge hits ground only the warp in changes, protoss has seen a huge change. HUGE. I wouldn't be surprised to see even more in the coming months.

Would I like a new unit? Yes.

Have they basically just added a unit and done nothing for else for us? Far from it.
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Zanzabarr
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada217 Posts
November 08 2014 02:33 GMT
#998
From the current information about Lotv changes, I think Protoss are going to be in for a world of hurt. I like the eco changes, but this will require players to expand to more bases more often. Protoss has the least mobile army that also happens to generally fair the worst when split up into many chunks. Hots addressed this weakness with band-aids (the mothership core's photon overcharge and recall, and competitive maps having accessible expo's / 3rd's with decent choke points/ramps etc). Increase the basecount from 3 to like 5 or more, and suddenly the mothership core can no longer act as the band-aid for defense against multi-pronged harass (overcharging a base against harass while the rest of the army fends off a second force....... recall one army to bases under attack instead of pre-splitting across many bases, due to such an army being substantially weaker when split up).

Like Hots beta, I'm sure a lot of these proposed Lotv changes will be looked at and tweaked. I like that blizzard is aiming to make some big changes in their final installment, but unless they are willing to take the extra step and fully commit to the changes (which will no doubt require even more fundamental game design modifications), I fear they will simply discover that certain things like the economy rehash won't fly balance wise, and end up scrapping them.
Ljas
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland725 Posts
November 08 2014 02:34 GMT
#999
On November 08 2014 11:29 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 10:44 Ljas wrote:
On November 08 2014 10:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
The cyclone is a terrible unit that hopefully doesnt make it into the game....

Reasoning please.

Being able to shoot while moving without requiring any player input, is the opposite of micro.

But, it does require player input. You can clearly see that it doesn't automatically target anything with it's moving shot ability. The only time we saw it open fire after it's target became invalid was when it was stationary, and with a much slower rate of fire. This really screams to me that moving shot is an activated ability like seeker missiles.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 02:38:14
November 08 2014 02:35 GMT
#1000
On November 08 2014 11:29 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 10:44 Ljas wrote:
On November 08 2014 10:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
The cyclone is a terrible unit that hopefully doesnt make it into the game....

Reasoning please.

Being able to shoot while moving without requiring any player input, is the opposite of micro.


In agreement with Jinro. It's not really moving shot if the unit has to stop and "lock on" to a target every single time before it can move-shoot.

My bets is the cyclone's attack is an ability or a weapon that shoots automatically once it is "locked on" -- without requiring further player input. The Cyclone will continue shooting either until the target is dead or is out of range. Once that happens, the cyclone has to stop, lock on to a new target, and can then start "move-shooting" again once it is locked on to a new target.

It's a cheap Blizzard™ way of doing moving shot.
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