EPTLegacy of the Void Announced - Page 49
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On November 08 2014 10:41 VArsovskiSC wrote: Could I create my own thread to explain why I like all the changes, or have to "float" here in the ocean of stuff that almost no-one notices ?:D If you make a thread it'll probably be locked. You can make a blog though. | ||
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Estancia
Korea (South)335 Posts
- NO REAVER DDDD::::: What is the point of having extra micro potential with warp prism if NO REAVER - Cyclone looks like the a-move unit which makes micro brain dead. At least make it require some skill to use. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
The Herc is a cool idea but I just don't think it's gonna have enough of an impact to work in a game this large scale... but I could be wrong. Love tank change, thor change, banshee change is crazy but will have to see how it works. The BC change is insane/awesome  Disruptor seems awesome, I think the stasis ward is PERFECT for protoss, it's gonna make non-colossus PvT more viable. No clue what to think about the carrier change. I like the economy change, but I'm curious what the exact reasoning behind the 12 worker start is... Intuitively I feel as if it will weaken some of terrans 2 rax proxy bullshit because even tho you can probably still do something like it, I think terran wont have as big of an edge since you wont be at that super low worker count where mules are like 25% of the economy ;d | ||
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Cassalina
United States65 Posts
awesome ideas to the swarm host btw! | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
A complete overhaul, and that's exactly what we received. Cannot complain one bit. Obviously balance will suck for the first few months, but it'll all work out in the end. | ||
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Ljas
Finland725 Posts
On November 08 2014 10:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The cyclone is a terrible unit that hopefully doesnt make it into the game.... Reasoning please. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
On November 08 2014 10:42 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I like the economy change, but I'm curious what the exact reasoning behind the 12 worker start is... Intuitively I feel as if it will weaken some of terrans 2 rax proxy bullshit because even tho you can probably still do something like it, I think terran wont have as big of an edge since you wont be at that super low worker count where mules are like 25% of the economy ;d It's a slight nerf to Z too since they were the race to get 12 workers first in a normal game. Also, 4 Mules will completely mine out a mineral patch on their own now. Scary stuff. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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marconi
Croatia220 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On November 08 2014 10:41 Estancia wrote: - Cyclone looks like the a-move unit which makes micro brain dead. At least make it require some skill to use. A-move unit? Its designed to be constantly kiting so it will require constant babysitting, its the opposite of a a-move unit. Sure the micro involved is pretty simple but its still there. | ||
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Ljas
Finland725 Posts
On November 08 2014 10:48 Bagi wrote: A-move unit? Its designed to be constantly kiting so it will require constant babysitting, its the opposite of a a-move unit. It's moving shot ability doesn't even autocast, it looks like. You have to target it like seeker missiles. | ||
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Omegatemplar
Japan4 Posts
On November 08 2014 10:05 Satan Battles wrote: Toss got the most out of HoTS without a doubt. MSC makes Toss safe from ANY early cheese (At least for its duration), void rays get bonus dmg instantly, oracle is an amazing unit, and tempests are good as well. Terran got Hellbats and Mines, which only affect ZvT. Zerg got SH and Viper, SH can be abused in ZvP, but in general are so immobile that outplaying them is just a matter of moving faster than them (not hard). Viper is good, but how many games do Zergs even get to Hive? It only affects the lategame. I for one am glad to see Zerg getting more useful early/midgame options, Protoss already has such a well rounded group of units that trade extremely well. Thanks for the reply. I understand they are trying to do the best, but I think they have to do more love to the Protoss in His expo. Terran and Zerg seems not so powerfull than Protoss at the early beta of HotS. And they change toss. Maybe a cool and Powerfull new unit. If we see, Toss get nerfed at Nexus Photon overcharge, that only attacks ground units now. By now. Tempest has not been nerfed, but i like that she works before, Tempest really are a imponent ship. Maybe even Immortal have been nerfed. Before, we can tank a planetary fortress. Now I think we will need more immortals to do that. AND, not buff another protoss units but buff Terran units and Zerg units it's like a Protoss nerf. But like I said, the game will be balanced with time, for sure. But now looks like IMBA. | ||
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Ljas
Finland725 Posts
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
I think the new eco will make the game even faster paced. At the moment, a lot of games don't kick into action untill 12 minutes have past, and players tend to only need 3-4 bases maximum. The first problem could be fixed by reducing those extreme defensive options, but the fact that 3 bases is plenty can't be fixed that easily. And only needing 3 bases really encourages deathball play. Who needs a mobile, harass based army if all you need is 3 easily defended bases into an unbeatable army that will kill everything on its path. If you really need more bases, I think deathballs are going to be less viable since you almost have to split up your army. Also, agressive options like drops, blinkstalkers and even nydus (not even taking the insanely broken buff to it into account) will probably become much more viable when there are more bases. Also, I really like some of the new units. The herc looks like an amazing unit, I can already see myself hooking into mineral lines for some epic high skills harassment options. The moving shooting unit seems kinda...warhound-like OP atm. But a unit that can shoot while moving is always cool in my opinion. It seems like the unit that should make mech viable against protoss (also, the cool way of buffing the immortal should help a big deal with that aswell). Battlecruiser warp seems crazy at first, but well if it's a very high mana cost you can't really use it to harass anyways. So it's probably giving battlecruisers just slightly more mobility, which they really need anyways, plus it fits with the lore of the battlecruisers. The lurker is just amazing, The ravager seems cool. Kinda allows for micro instead of the wonderful amove roaches. The swarm host upgrade seems kinda weird at first, but I think the idea is cool. Swarm host because a light harassment option, rather than a turtle option. The flying locust isn't as insane as it seems at first I guess, because they still have to land to attack (ground to ground attack). Could be reaaaly imba against siege tanks though. Nydus worms are insane, nydus all ins would be unstoppable like that. Though I guess symbol is a happy man now. Probably won't make it into the final game. Protoss really got meh stuff. The disruptor could either be really cool, or the most gimmicky unit ever (I'm afraid it will be). I really hope protoss get another something, maybe even a warp gate unit with the nerf to warpgates. But I guess Protoss are the most all around race right now. Their reliable harassment options are really limited though, they still don't have the medivac drops or the zergling runbyes or the mutas, so maybe give them a new unit that can do something like that. Though, if the carriers end up being seriously viable and fun to use (which it seems like they'll be) then you could technically count that as a new unit aswell. Overall really happy though, but also sad that there are so many people still complaining. Especially the people complaining about balance, I mean we can't say much, if anything, about how the balance will end up. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On November 08 2014 10:51 Omegatemplar wrote: Thanks for the reply. I understand they are trying to do the best, but I think they have to do more love to the Protoss in His expo. Terran and Zerg seems not so powerfull than Protoss at the early beta of HotS. And they change toss. Maybe a cool and Powerfull new unit. If we see, Toss get nerfed at Nexus Photon overcharge, that only attacks ground units now. By now. Tempest has not been nerfed, but i like that she works before, Tempest really are a imponent ship. Maybe even Immortal have been nerfed. Before, we can tank a planetary fortress. Now I think we will need more immortals to do that. AND, not buff another protoss units but buff Terran units and Zerg units it's like a Protoss nerf. But like I said, the game will be balanced with time, for sure. But now looks like IMBA. The big problem for me is that there's little to be added for Protoss. They have great harrassment with warp prism and great air units, great power units like the colossi/immortal/tempest, great micro opportunities with multiple spellcasters, great strategic possibilities overall. Adding to that could easily make the race way too good. For Zerg and Terran, strategies are much more boring and the new units could change that by a lot! | ||
royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
WHERE IS MY REAVER, BLIZZARD | ||
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