EPT2015 Season of Proleague may award WCS points. - Page 9
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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negativedge
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On September 15 2014 19:48 SatedSC2 wrote: This would be terrible. WCS points are part of the build up to Blizzard's premier individual competition. They shouldn't be given out in a team competition. The only rebuttal necessary for this argument is that under the current WCS structure Jaedong is scheduled to attend. That's all. The current system is very flawed. It is in dire need of adjustment. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On September 16 2014 13:22 Vindicare605 wrote: The only rebuttal necessary for this argument is that under the current WCS structure Jaedong is scheduled to attend. That's all. The current system is very flawed. It is in dire need of adjustment. JD won 2 tournaments and three 3/4 finishes in 2014. That seems pretty good to me. What kind of ridiculous standards are you going by? | ||
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
For those of you who think this will ruin Proleague because certain players will be favored, you are wrong. Proleague isn't based on all-kills like GSTL was AND Proleague is an institution that will not be messed with. Consider how OSL and MSL have died but Proleague still lives on for that organization. | ||
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
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eskashaborn
United States177 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27368 Posts
On September 16 2014 13:53 Zenbrez wrote: JD won 2 tournaments and three 3/4 finishes in 2014. That seems pretty good to me. What kind of ridiculous standards are you going by? If you attend every tournament going and are pretty good you'll pick up points here and there. HerO has had a monster slump, by far the worst shape I remember him in and he's sitting around in 20th I can't believe so many people being against the 'unfairness' of WCS points for PL when people are picking up points by getting invited to tournaments and dropping out early. Both are pretty wonky in ways, but at least in the case of PL WCS point allocation it's to mitigate a problem for those players. Yes it'd be nice to have more tournaments IN Korea, the Kespa cup was pretty sick. I feel Kespa should have let their players go to WEC or whatever it was called in China so they're not blameless but you can't expect them to find a ton of tournies out of their own pocket to make up for the WCS points issues. Personally I'm ok with PL points, as it helps those players out even if not an ideal solution at all. | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On September 16 2014 12:52 ninjamyst wrote: I thought one big aspect of Blizzcon was to bring top players from different regions together. If it was about the best 16 skilled players, then go watch GSL or Proleague. The current system is fair because Kespa is not limited to just GSL and Proleague. They have the resource to send players to foreign events just as TL, Axiom, other teams with Korean players sent their players to foreign events. All this bullshit about Proleague taking more preparation are just lame excuses. Why should Blizzard cater to Kespa? Why do they get special treatment? Because as it is now the system is fucked. Arguably the three best players in the world arent in top 16 (if you go by the power rank). This is a huge problem both for kespa and blizzard. Its a problem for blizzard because their tournament is in no way going to be the most competitive and interesting of the year and its a problem for kespa since they get less exposure for the sponsors. Now why does blizzard care about kespa? Because sc2 needs the korean scene. If kespa and their infrastructure goes down, sc2 most pobably is going to disappear with it along with a big chunk of foreign fans of korean sc2. | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On September 16 2014 16:11 Skynx wrote: This is no solution to prevent the likes of Hyun from topping the table. and why should it? if they give proleague players a fair shot at earning points through domestic play but still leave the field open for popular international players to travel around making a name for themselves and winning their way into the finals then i think that's a perfect setup. your MCs and Hyuns will still get the rightful place they deserve for being marketable, but the glut of talent in proleague won't be pigeonholed into the dilemma of proleague vs wcs points anymore. | ||
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DeG3n
Germany130 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3548 Posts
There does need to be more emphasis on teamleagues in SC2, so this move would help legitimize it and make it more possible for future team leagues to make the cut and possibly become point worthy, thus making team rolsters more important. Also Korea needs more tournaments that give points as a whole. | ||
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orllyfools
United States153 Posts
On September 16 2014 10:36 Ingenero wrote: Yes! This is what I've been waiting for. I understand why everyone is so against Proleague giving out WCS points, but honestly have you guys watched the games? Many of the Proleague matches have been, from my perspective, the most entertaining to watch of any SC2 event. The league contains a high concentration of by far the best players on the planet, and I genuinely feel like it's a win for everyone involved. The best players in the world get rewarded for their hard work, Blizzard gets to have the best players in the world as a part of the WCS finals, KeSPA gets more exposure of their players, and the fans get the most entertaining matches from the most high-level players. The only downside is getting over the moral technicality that this is a "team league". That may be true, but it still depends on individual performances, and I'm sure the points will be awarded on such a basis (with possible small additional incentives for team success). I sincerely hope they give WCS points for Proleague--who knows, it may actually provide enough incentive for a foreign team to join and actually take it seriously. Yes. I never even watched Proleague til it became strictly SC2. Great games and moments came out this year and with all the lack of events in Korea, it only makes sense to give them WCS Points. A ton more Koreans will be able to get points when they normally only have GSL to hope for. Maybe have a weekly online tourney that gave out points in Korea would be nice too. We wouldn't even be worrying about WCS points if it wasn't for Blizzard's hostile take over of the scene. It's such a broken system and they're doing everything to keep whats left together and "working". It's WCS points that we don't have two premier individual leagues in Korea. Korea was where the best played and if you won GSL you were considered the best Korean/Player in the world. Why would you take months to crown a champion, to only push him out the next week with another long dragged out tournament. Blizzard should study NASCAR and The Chase. Actually, I think all of eSports should be looking to NASCAR and emulate what they did. Fast growing sport in America. | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On September 16 2014 16:31 ejozl wrote: Pretty much all depends on how you distribute the points. We never want a situation, where a team specifically sends out one player, to get that player enough points to go to BlizzCon. 1) they'd still have to win to get the points. what's the difference between a team sending out a player to get wins and someone like MC or Hyun farming foreigners across Europe? 2)anyone in korea who is going to have enough or near enough points to go to blizzcon will be a regular proleague player anyway. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On September 16 2014 16:52 negativedge wrote: 1) they'd still have to win to get the points. what's the difference between a team sending out a player to get wins and someone like MC or Hyun farming foreigners across Europe? 2)anyone in korea who is going to have enough or near enough points to go to blizzcon will be a regular proleague player anyway. Just to add onto point 1: proleague teams already send out their best players, because even without WCS point incentive, they do everything they can to win. | ||
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Honner
United Kingdom65 Posts
top 4 proleague performers. top 4 korean region on WCS points. top 4 EU region on WCS points. top 4 US region on WCS points. If there is any overlap, just trickle down the invite spots to further down the respective regions (e.g. GSL/proleague overlap). | ||
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