That's pretty cool. I figured she just ended up going in some other direction after NASL ended up dissolving, but I never really did get to hear what happened to her. Her interview with Rifkin is definitely worth checking out for anyone that hasn't seen it.
On August 14 2014 06:42 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: That's pretty cool. I figured she just ended up going in some other direction after NASL ended up dissolving, but I never really did get to hear what happened to her. Her interview with Rifkin is definitely worth checking out for anyone that hasn't seen it.
She is an actress, got some roles in independent films, and some host stuff for playboy (she was at montreal grand prix this summer). She seem pretty busy and overall a nice girl.
On August 14 2014 08:27 KalWarkov wrote: you can watch very ... interesting... vids of her if you google :O
First thing I did after reading your comment... well you already know. Apparantly she also did a (pretty hawt) shooting for a famous "magazine". *cough*
Anyways, hot chic. Don´t know her though, still best of luck whatever she´s doing!
when lauren started I had a hard time taking her serious but she actually proved me completely wrong. She really did her best to understand our scene, took her job serious and played a loooooooooot of starcraft and as far as I could tell genuinely enjoyed it. Long story short, lauren is really cool, didn't know about this but I wish her the best. She's also worth following on instagram kappa.
i need to stop opening posts like this. come on. everyones thinking it, noones saying it . . . really fit girl with very limited knowledge(going off what i knew before) and very inactive within sc2 against shows like unfiltered, meta and the other shows . . looks like this showis banking on one thing. sorry people, needed to be said. i hope it does well, cos im not going to say no to more sc2 content
On August 14 2014 08:42 dAPhREAk wrote: oooh, the porn star.
she was a model or something not a pornstar.
so i guess this means she was hungry for rooster? she is a softcore pornstar.
Anyone can name any video anything, don't be that easily fooled.
there are multiple videos of her if you google lauren elise porn. i was told not to link them so i wont. she does softcore porn. not sure why people are denying it. its not like it even matters, she isnt the first porn star to associate with starcraft.
On August 14 2014 08:42 dAPhREAk wrote: oooh, the porn star.
she was a model or something not a pornstar.
so i guess this means she was hungry for rooster? she is a softcore pornstar.
Anyone can name any video anything, don't be that easily fooled.
there are multiple videos of her if you google lauren elise porn. i was told not to link them so i wont. she does softcore porn. not sure why people are denying it. its not like it even matters, she isnt the first porn star to associate with starcraft.
You responded to someone saying she was a nude model with a video of her being nude, so it's pretty clear all you want to do is argue the semantics of whether that counts as porn.
She was awesome at NASL. I am glad she is back into the sc2 scene. If you followed her throughout her sc2 career, you would know she took her job seriously. I'm looking forward to watching her new show. She's funny, engaging, and affectionate. Nice to have someone like her in the scene.
On August 14 2014 09:35 ptbl wrote: She was awesome at NASL. I am glad she is back into the sc2 scene. If you followed her throughout her sc2 career, you would know she took her job seriously. I'm looking forward to watching her new show. She's funny, engaging, and affectionate. Nice to have someone like her in the scene.
Sweet. Lauren was not a great analyst, nor was she ever a great player - but she enjoys games, and really put some effort into learning about the game and trying to improve her knowledge. (Her streaming while getting coached by Gretorp was pretty nice - and actually had good advice for very low league players.)
What she lacks in knowledge, she makes up for with enthusiasm. She doesn't pretend to know everything about the game, and she did well as a host.
Also, Lichter, where would you rate Stephano accidentally kicking her in the face during the dance party end of one of the tournaments? (She was still smiling afterwards.)
On August 14 2014 08:53 Xiphos wrote: She is still selling her looks for cash.
Thats intelligent behaviour.
No, it's pure sociology. Everything in your life from before you're even born influences the development of your behavior. If you're used to being treated positively because you are pretty, and can use that to an advantage, you're going to naturally fall into a pattern of behavior where you do that because it tends to work more often than not. That's not 'intelligence', it's a no-brainer. Developing intelligence requires a conscious approach of time and practice in regards to developing your mind, not simply following a routine and being stagnant in your development. I'm not trying to imply that Lauren Elise is somehow stupid or is not intelligent, but rather that the concept of using your looks to earn money does not show any particular kind of above-average intelligence.
Isn't Lauren an actress as well? Says so on her Twitter. As for all the haters... She works hard to get to where she is at. Take her body for example, it didn't come out of nowhere. She seems to hit the gym and dedicates herself to looking good, unlike the most of us who just lazy the day away
On August 14 2014 12:08 Thrillz wrote: Despite the some of the hate, I hope she succeeds. Not like she's done anything malicious or has bad intentions.
I don't know if Lauren Elise could have bad intentions - she's just got a really positive personality from what I can tell. All in good fun.
Also, she's still hosting some World of Tanks events - I think she's teaming up with Clutch at Pax Prime for that.
You want to know who sells her body? Tara Babcock.
Sure, Lauren Elise applies her looks, but she at least illustrates enthusiasm and willingness to be a part of the SC2 community, even though the community has reduced to a niche one.
I really hope that she succeeds, because I really can sense her positive attitude and desire to do some meaningful contributions!
i don't understand dudes who ravenously consume all the sexualized/pornographic content they can find and then act as if women who profit or succeed off of their sexuality are doing something unethical, unworthy of respect or manipulative of men. "hey baby, take off your clothes! ugh, look at her showing her body, what a stupid slut, she must want my dick"
anyway enough of that stupidity, it's great to see her back and good luck to her!
On August 14 2014 12:42 brickrd wrote: i don't understand dudes who ravenously consume all the sexualized/pornographic content they can find and then act as if women who profit or succeed off of their sexuality are doing something unethical, unworthy of respect or manipulative of men. "hey baby, take off your clothes! ugh, look at her showing her body, what a stupid slut, she must want my dick"
anyway enough of that stupidity, it's great to see her back and good luck to her!
I was so impressed earlier today when this almost got through page one without sexism. Alas! Some snuck in there and continued on... You can do better TL community!
I always liked Lauren Elise and was sad thinking we might never see her again after NASL died. I thought she fit in quite well back then...hopefully it can work again.
lauren elise is definitely intelligent. I remember in an episode in NASL, they mentioned that she's had a poetry book published, been an actress, and was at one point one of the best gymnast in the her region, which shows at least good discipline and more accomplishment than I can ever claim.
The reason people dismissed her at the beginning was because she was hired in as the token female host who had absolutely no starcraft knowledge. But as NASL progressed, she started involving herself in the scene, streaming, and showed genuine interest and enthusiasm, not to mention she did tons of interviews and reportings.
it'll be good to have her back! she's a good host, but will probably need to work alongside someone with deeper knowledge of the game to appeal to the hardcore gamer.
I never heard of her, I think I missed her during the 1.5 year that I took a break from and didn't follow the SC2 scene so much. I read all the initial sexist shit at the start of the thread but when reading through the pages it really shows that there are tons more people saying they really liked her and are glad to have her back. For the SC2 community to be so positive over a female host really tells me she must have been doing a really great job!
Looking forward to seeing her and the energy she brings that makes so many people appreciate her work. Good luck Lauren!
Fantastic for SC2. She brings in promotion for the game to non-geeks. You should be grateful that she is hosting this tournament.
Also for every hater, she is the second most beautiful CyberGirl for Playboy (Leanna ftw). Go get some chill in watching her vids, but stop bashing a girl actually REALLY liking the game (at least it seems so), unlike other beforehand mentioned girls in this thread..
On August 14 2014 14:42 ed21x wrote: lauren elise is definitely intelligent. I remember in an episode in NASL, they mentioned that she's had a poetry book published, been an actress, and was at one point one of the best gymnast in the her region, which shows at least good discipline and more accomplishment than I can ever claim.
The reason people dismissed her at the beginning was because she was hired in as the token female host who had absolutely no starcraft knowledge. But as NASL progressed, she started involving herself in the scene, streaming, and showed genuine interest and enthusiasm, not to mention she did tons of interviews and reportings.
it'll be good to have her back! she's a good host, but will probably need to work alongside someone with deeper knowledge of the game to appeal to the hardcore gamer.
On August 14 2014 16:09 Shuffleblade wrote: I never heard of her, I think I missed her during the 1.5 year that I took a break from and didn't follow the SC2 scene so much. I read all the initial sexist shit at the start of the thread but when reading through the pages it really shows that there are tons more people saying they really liked her and are glad to have her back. For the SC2 community to be so positive over a female host really tells me she must have been doing a really great job!
Looking forward to seeing her and the energy she brings that makes so many people appreciate her work. Good luck Lauren!
Go read the reddit thread Anyway, shes so positive that you cant hate her.
Quite funny to see how they greatly hype the return or Lauren to Starcraft like she's gonna save it or something. Didn't watch much NASL (well, only watched the matches and not the fuss in between as I didn't like it) but was she, like, that much popular?
On August 14 2014 12:12 hansonslee wrote: You want to know who sells her body? Tara Babcock.
Sure, Lauren Elise applies her looks, but she at least illustrates enthusiasm and willingness to be a part of the SC2 community, even though the community has reduced to a niche one.
I really hope that she succeeds, because I really can sense her positive attitude and desire to do some meaningful contributions!
Actually, she was pretty likeable on "The Pulse" back in the NASL days. A bit goofy sometimes, but still far from being the stereotypic blonde chick with boobs.
On August 14 2014 08:53 Xiphos wrote: She is still selling her looks for cash.
And there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.
Happy to see her back. She was one of the most entertaining hosts.
I agree in principle, but it depends on the context too, what kind of image you are trying to project. You run the risk of appearing less serious and a little juvenile if you rely on having a hot chick on stage as par for the course.
Also, I have no idea who this person is, nor do I care, so I have no dog in this particular fight either way.
On August 14 2014 08:53 Xiphos wrote: She is still selling her looks for cash.
And there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.
Happy to see her back. She was one of the most entertaining hosts.
I agree in principle, but it depends on the context too, what kind of image you are trying to project. You run the risk of appearing less serious and a little juvenile if you rely on having a hot chick on stage as par for the course.
Also, I have no idea who this person is, nor do I care, so I have no dog in this particular fight either way.
To be fair, she actually did more to get involved and get into the actual game and playing it than say Rachel or Anna (who are more connected and established in other areas so they received less flack)
I'm not typically a fan of companies bringing pretty girls with no knowledge of the game for ratings and views, but Lauren Elise would be cool to have back, much prefer her over the obviously fake models that want casting jobs like Tara babcock and all the other fake models that don't really like Esports or starcraft 2. Every since 2012, you have more and more non Esport loving X cam girls, porn stars or models trying to get that Esport money by pretending and trying to cast or host games they don't have knowledge about.
Hope she brings something positive to the scene though. She was pretty good in NASL.
On August 14 2014 19:18 LingBlingBling wrote: I'm not typically a fan of companies bringing pretty girls with no knowledge of the game for ratings and views, but Lauren Elise would be cool to have back, much prefer her over the obviously fake models that want casting jobs like Tara babcock and all the other fake models that don't really like Esports or starcraft 2.
Hope she brings something positive to the scene though.
Not that it really matters but Babcock is way more of a gamer than Elise. Also would beat her easily in sc2. :D Elise is 10 times cuter though.
On August 14 2014 08:53 Xiphos wrote: She is still selling her looks for cash.
And there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that.
Happy to see her back. She was one of the most entertaining hosts.
I agree in principle, but it depends on the context too, what kind of image you are trying to project. You run the risk of appearing less serious and a little juvenile if you rely on having a hot chick on stage as par for the course.
Also, I have no idea who this person is, nor do I care, so I have no dog in this particular fight either way.
To be fair, she actually did more to get involved and get into the actual game and playing it than say Rachel or Anna (who are more connected and established in other areas so they received less flack)
Entirely possible, as I said, I know nothing about this person. I meant more as a general MO.
On August 14 2014 19:18 LingBlingBling wrote: I'm not typically a fan of companies bringing pretty girls with no knowledge of the game for ratings and views, but Lauren Elise would be cool to have back, much prefer her over the obviously fake models that want casting jobs like Tara babcock and all the other fake models that don't really like Esports or starcraft 2.
Hope she brings something positive to the scene though.
Not that it really matters but Babcock is way more of a gamer than Elise. Also would beat her easily in sc2. :D Elise is 10 times cuter though.
....Everyone loves and plays video games for a source of entertainment, there is a big difference between someone who is into Esports and takes a game seriously and tries to understand it, vs a some bimbo looking for easy money being incredibly fake to grab some casting jobs about a game she has no knowledge about.
At least Lauren Elise does a lot of work and tries to learn the game as best as she could, not mention she has a insane education background compared to your random model.
I was pretty sure the white knighting in this thread would be good, I'm not disappointed Glad she comes back but I didn't even notice her absence, I hope she'll provide great entertainment to the show and competitions she might host in the futur
On August 14 2014 12:12 hansonslee wrote: You want to know who sells her body? Tara Babcock.
Sure, Lauren Elise applies her looks, but she at least illustrates enthusiasm and willingness to be a part of the SC2 community, even though the community has reduced to a niche one.
I really hope that she succeeds, because I really can sense her positive attitude and desire to do some meaningful contributions!
Why is that other girl selling her body? o-o
She a SC2 host too?
Im soo bad with names, sorry >.<
Because having a dude malaxing your boobs on stream while playing heartstone is kind of "selling your body". I stopped watching her after that happened.
people like to slam totalbiscuit for not knowing the game. guess what's going to happen to lauren elise. the community should embrace the few personalities it can still attract.
On August 14 2014 21:10 Terranist wrote: people like to slam totalbiscuit for not knowing the game. guess what's going to happen to lauren elise. the community should embrace the few personalities it can still attract.
i'd embrace lauren more than tb if i had to choose
On August 14 2014 21:10 Terranist wrote: people like to slam totalbiscuit for not knowing the game. guess what's going to happen to lauren elise. the community should embrace the few personalities it can still attract.
i'd embrace lauren more than tb if i had to choose
that cuddly accent though
You know you would cuddle the british accent. He might punch you though
On August 14 2014 21:10 Terranist wrote: people like to slam totalbiscuit for not knowing the game. guess what's going to happen to lauren elise. the community should embrace the few personalities it can still attract.
i'd embrace lauren more than tb if i had to choose
that cuddly accent though
You know you would cuddle the british accent. He might punch you though
On August 14 2014 21:10 Terranist wrote: people like to slam totalbiscuit for not knowing the game. guess what's going to happen to lauren elise. the community should embrace the few personalities it can still attract.
i'd embrace lauren more than tb if i had to choose
that cuddly accent though
You know you would cuddle the british accent. He might punch you though
Hmm, there are few girls I can take seriously in sc2 scene. Obviously im not talking about well established gamers or commentators like scarlett, livebee, or that girl that Root recruited some time ago, and Soe.. i think, the one that drew so well.
Sorry for not knowing names, I dont keep up with SC2 scene that much anymore.
Its not that I dont like the girls, or that I think they are not capable of doings their job, but they always feel out of place in eSports. Every time they ask questions to the players in interviews... the questions feel very, very generic. Every time they try to hype something, it feels artificial... em... ofc this is my view on it. That beeing said, They do look better than every caster out there so.... there's that :D.
On August 14 2014 23:11 iloveav wrote: Hmm, there are few girls I can take seriously in sc2 scene. Obviously im not talking about well established gamers or commentators like scarlett, livebee, or that girl that Root recruited some time ago, and Soe.. i think, the one that drew so well.
Sorry for not knowing names, I dont keep up with SC2 scene that much anymore.
Its not that I dont like the girls, or that I think they are not capable of doings their job, but they always feel out of place in eSports. Every time they ask questions to the players in interviews... the questions feel very, very generic. Every time they try to hype something, it feels artificial... em... ofc this is my view on it. That beeing said, They do look better than every caster out there so.... there's that :D.
the reason it seems that way is because organizations have an incentive to put pretty faces on camera to get the young male audience talking and watching. so your complaint should not be directed at "girls in the scene" but at the marketing strategy of favoring aesthetics over substance. the girls you "can't take seriously" are just people taking jobs like anyone else
On August 14 2014 23:11 iloveav wrote: Hmm, there are few girls I can take seriously in sc2 scene. Obviously im not talking about well established gamers or commentators like scarlett, livebee, or that girl that Root recruited some time ago, and Soe.. i think, the one that drew so well.
Sorry for not knowing names, I dont keep up with SC2 scene that much anymore.
Its not that I dont like the girls, or that I think they are not capable of doings their job, but they always feel out of place in eSports. Every time they ask questions to the players in interviews... the questions feel very, very generic. Every time they try to hype something, it feels artificial... em... ofc this is my view on it. That beeing said, They do look better than every caster out there so.... there's that :D.
That girl in ROOT is ZombieGrub i think. Casted WCS and was known in BW i think (dunno why but i'm sure i have saw her name pop when i played icCup back then). Or maybe that's MsSpyte ?
And even when casters asks question to players it's very generic They are not eSport commentators but hosts. Hosts ask and say generic thing : "Next game, sponsors shoutout". And sometimes they drop stuff on the ground :p
On August 14 2014 23:11 iloveav wrote: Hmm, there are few girls I can take seriously in sc2 scene. Obviously im not talking about well established gamers or commentators like scarlett, livebee, or that girl that Root recruited some time ago, and Soe.. i think, the one that drew so well.
Sorry for not knowing names, I dont keep up with SC2 scene that much anymore.
Its not that I dont like the girls, or that I think they are not capable of doings their job, but they always feel out of place in eSports. Every time they ask questions to the players in interviews... the questions feel very, very generic. Every time they try to hype something, it feels artificial... em... ofc this is my view on it. That beeing said, They do look better than every caster out there so.... there's that :D.
That girl in ROOT is ZombieGrub i think. Casted WCS and was known in BW i think (dunno why but i'm sure i have saw her name pop when i played icCup back then). Or maybe that's MsSpyte ?
And even when casters asks question to players it's very generic They are not eSport commentators but hosts. Hosts ask and say generic thing : "Next game, sponsors shoutout". And sometimes they drop stuff on the ground :p
Spyte was recruited by ROOT. I don't think ZombieGrub is part of ROOT, but I might be wrong. However, Spyte is a player, not a commentator/host.
Brickrd, I dont take them seriously because even if they are there because of their pretty face, that does not stop them from being good commentators or learning more about the game/scene. Yes, you are right that the marketing system is the one that chooses that strategy, but Ive met many great looking girls who archived a lot by working hard. Those, I take seriously.
Thats kinda what i mean, that no one expects them to do better, and I love when they prove everyone wrong. Sadly, does not happen that often.
On August 14 2014 23:11 iloveav wrote: Hmm, there are few girls I can take seriously in sc2 scene. Obviously im not talking about well established gamers or commentators like scarlett, livebee, or that girl that Root recruited some time ago, and Soe.. i think, the one that drew so well.
Sorry for not knowing names, I dont keep up with SC2 scene that much anymore.
Its not that I dont like the girls, or that I think they are not capable of doings their job, but they always feel out of place in eSports. Every time they ask questions to the players in interviews... the questions feel very, very generic. Every time they try to hype something, it feels artificial... em... ofc this is my view on it. That beeing said, They do look better than every caster out there so.... there's that :D.
Interviews in SC2 are hilariously bad regardless of the gender of the person asking the question. Problem is progamers don't give good interviews and it limits what can be asked. Some of it is language barrier, some is just they have trouble with more than 1 word ansers for whatever reason. Kind of unfair singling out the female interviewers in my opinion. You can have a male interviewer ask Jaedong if he likes hamburgers in an interview and it would be all fine. A female interviewer asks if he felt confident with his preperation for the tournament or any number of other things and all of a sudden people are like "interviewer was only hired for their looks".
Lauren always does a good job. You can tell she does research etc on whatever she's doing. Plus she's a perfect 10. Can't believe they put playboy footage in that video lol
On August 14 2014 23:41 iloveav wrote: Yeah Spyte. Yep i know she is a gamer.
Brickrd, I dont take them seriously because even if they are there because of their pretty face, that does not stop them from being good commentators or learning more about the game/scene. Yes, you are right that the marketing system is the one that chooses that strategy, but Ive met many great looking girls who archived a lot by working hard. Those, I take seriously.
Thats kinda what i mean, that no one expects them to do better, and I love when they prove everyone wrong. Sadly, does not happen that often.
you mentioned pretty much every woman in the scene in the list of women you accept tho, except maybe ones no one would doubt their knowledge like lilsusie or smix. who are you talking about?
On August 14 2014 23:41 iloveav wrote: Yeah Spyte. Yep i know she is a gamer.
Brickrd, I dont take them seriously because even if they are there because of their pretty face, that does not stop them from being good commentators or learning more about the game/scene. Yes, you are right that the marketing system is the one that chooses that strategy, but Ive met many great looking girls who archived a lot by working hard. Those, I take seriously.
Thats kinda what i mean, that no one expects them to do better, and I love when they prove everyone wrong. Sadly, does not happen that often.
you mentioned pretty much every woman in the scene in the list of women you accept tho, except maybe ones no one would doubt their knowledge like lilsusie or smix. who are you talking about?
On August 14 2014 23:41 iloveav wrote: Yeah Spyte. Yep i know she is a gamer.
Brickrd, I dont take them seriously because even if they are there because of their pretty face, that does not stop them from being good commentators or learning more about the game/scene. Yes, you are right that the marketing system is the one that chooses that strategy, but Ive met many great looking girls who archived a lot by working hard. Those, I take seriously.
Thats kinda what i mean, that no one expects them to do better, and I love when they prove everyone wrong. Sadly, does not happen that often.
you mentioned pretty much every woman in the scene in the list of women you accept tho, except maybe ones no one would doubt their knowledge like lilsusie or smix. who are you talking about?
lindsey sporrer, anna prosser, lauren elise.
just sayin i can think of a lot more than 3 guys that fit your description better than those people
On August 15 2014 04:33 iloveav wrote: Oh and please, dont take an idiot like me too serious, its just an opinion of one guy, getting upset about that makes no sense at all
Everyone on TL needs to adopt this as their quote like right now.
On August 15 2014 04:33 iloveav wrote: Oh and please, dont take an idiot like me too serious, its just an opinion of one guy, getting upset about that makes no sense at all
Everyone on TL needs to adopt this as their quote like right now.
On August 15 2014 06:37 Wombat_NI wrote: Best of luck, couldn't be bothered saying anything even vaguely critical because like, that'd be sexist and stuff right?
I don't think so, my sweet Wombat. I've harshly criticized male and female figures of SC2 alike and usually it goes through smoothly if it's fair and constructive. However as you accurately point out, you'll occasionally be accused of sexism. But that's because frankly, there's a lot of sexism going around and that's hard to deny, and people get confused about who's sexist and who's not among all the noise. You can just look at this thread. It's not always easy to tell who's a dick and who's not.
Luckily I'm not afraid of the flak so I'll speak my mind when/if I have something to say but I don't recall ever seeing anything of this girl so I'll wait and see. We've had some really good female hosts though and she seems to have been appreciated by many. Rachel Quirico (was it?) was good, Smix is always excellent and professional, and we've had many others.
On August 15 2014 06:37 Wombat_NI wrote: Best of luck, couldn't be bothered saying anything even vaguely critical because like, that'd be sexist and stuff right?
I don't think so, my sweet Wombat. I've harshly criticized male and female figures of SC2 alike and usually it goes through smoothly if it's fair and constructive. However as you accurately point out, you'll occasionally be accused of sexism. But that's because frankly, there's a lot of sexism going around and that's hard to deny, and people get confused about who's sexist and who's not among all the noise. You can just look at this thread. It's not always easy to tell who's a dick and who's not.
Luckily I'm not afraid of the flak so I'll speak my mind when/if I have something to say but I don't recall ever seeing anything of this girl so I'll wait and see. We've had some really good female hosts though and she seems to have been appreciated by many. Rachel Quirico (was it?) was good, Smix is always excellent and professional, and we've had many others.
So let's wait and see.
yea i dont think theres anything confusing or unfair about it
for example: the guy who said he has trouble taking female figures seriously because some of them are brought in for looks rather than game knowledge? i don't think he was sexist, maybe misguided in his criticism, but he was making a valid point about how he feels it affects the quality of productions, and he made an effort to be respectful
the people bringing up the morality of "selling your body" or implying that she's stupid/unethical because being pretty helps her make money? yes, i think that's dumb and deserves to be called out. personally i dont like using the word "sexist" because words like "sexist" and "racist" carry a heavily charged connotation of "PC policing" and tend to set people off. i prefer to just call dumb posts dumb and wrong ideas wrong
On August 15 2014 06:37 Wombat_NI wrote: Best of luck, couldn't be bothered saying anything even vaguely critical because like, that'd be sexist and stuff right?
I don't think so, my sweet Wombat. I've harshly criticized male and female figures of SC2 alike and usually it goes through smoothly if it's fair and constructive. However as you accurately point out, you'll occasionally be accused of sexism. But that's because frankly, there's a lot of sexism going around and that's hard to deny, and people get confused about who's sexist and who's not among all the noise. You can just look at this thread. It's not always easy to tell who's a dick and who's not.
Luckily I'm not afraid of the flak so I'll speak my mind when/if I have something to say but I don't recall ever seeing anything of this girl so I'll wait and see. We've had some really good female hosts though and she seems to have been appreciated by many. Rachel Quirico (was it?) was good, Smix is always excellent and professional, and we've had many others.
So let's wait and see.
yea i dont think theres anything confusing or unfair about it
for example: the guy who said he has trouble taking female figures seriously because some of them are brought in for looks rather than game knowledge? i don't think he was sexist, maybe misguided in his criticism, but he was making a valid point about how he feels it affects the quality of productions, and he made an effort to be respectful
the people bringing up the morality of "selling your body" or implying that she's stupid/unethical because being pretty helps her make money? yes, i think that's dumb and deserves to be called out. personally i dont like using the word "sexist" because words like "sexist" and "racist" carry a heavily charged connotation of "PC policing" and tend to set people off. i prefer to just call dumb posts dumb and wrong ideas wrong
You gotta call a spade a spade. It's not hard to spot the pubescent confused teenagers in these forums and calling them out will hopefully help them in life. Either you grow out of it and end up a happy person capable of good relationships with both sexes or you end up a miserable old lonely coot with a silicon doll.
I don't want to argue the finer points of what is or what isn't sexism but give me a fucking break if you can't see how grossly inappropriate some of these comments have been. People get banned for posting benign stuff like "protoss OP lol" and yet people saying things that would get you a sued for harassment or discrimination in a court of law is OK because we're a bunch of young men.
Why don't we as a community grow the fuck up and not stand for this? We're a marginalized group ourselves and yet the first chance we get to judge someone based on looks, sex, gender etc we jump at.
On August 15 2014 06:37 Wombat_NI wrote: Best of luck, couldn't be bothered saying anything even vaguely critical because like, that'd be sexist and stuff right?
I don't think so, my sweet Wombat. I've harshly criticized male and female figures of SC2 alike and usually it goes through smoothly if it's fair and constructive. However as you accurately point out, you'll occasionally be accused of sexism. But that's because frankly, there's a lot of sexism going around and that's hard to deny, and people get confused about who's sexist and who's not among all the noise. You can just look at this thread. It's not always easy to tell who's a dick and who's not.
Luckily I'm not afraid of the flak so I'll speak my mind when/if I have something to say but I don't recall ever seeing anything of this girl so I'll wait and see. We've had some really good female hosts though and she seems to have been appreciated by many. Rachel Quirico (was it?) was good, Smix is always excellent and professional, and we've had many others.
So let's wait and see.
yea i dont think theres anything confusing or unfair about it
for example: the guy who said he has trouble taking female figures seriously because some of them are brought in for looks rather than game knowledge? i don't think he was sexist, maybe misguided in his criticism, but he was making a valid point about how he feels it affects the quality of productions, and he made an effort to be respectful
the people bringing up the morality of "selling your body" or implying that she's stupid/unethical because being pretty helps her make money? yes, i think that's dumb and deserves to be called out. personally i dont like using the word "sexist" because words like "sexist" and "racist" carry a heavily charged connotation of "PC policing" and tend to set people off. i prefer to just call dumb posts dumb and wrong ideas wrong
You gotta call a spade a spade. It's not hard to spot the pubescent confused teenagers in these forums and calling them out will hopefully help them in life. Either you grow out of it and end up a happy person capable of good relationships with both sexes or you end up a miserable old lonely coot with a silicon doll.
I don't want to argue the finer points of what is or what isn't sexism but give me a fucking break if you can't see how grossly inappropriate some of these comments have been. People get banned for posting benign stuff like "protoss OP lol" and yet people saying things that would get you a sued for harassment or discrimination in a court of law is OK because we're a bunch of young men.
Why don't we as a community grow the fuck up and not stand for this? We're a marginalized group ourselves and yet the first chance we get to judge someone based on looks, sex, gender etc we jump at.
im curious which posts would get you "sued for harassment or discrimination in a court of law" since the thread has seemed pretty mild so far.
Sorry Djapzter, should have phrased it to 'I couldn't be fucked arguing my positions on this at this time'
To me the point of distinction is not that she personally is unethical to utilise her looks to get ahead in life, but that such a pathway exemplifies that sexism and objectification exist. To deny that these kind of gigs aren't due in some way to a certain cultural framework is silly IMO.
There's also no doubt a bunch of pseudo psych behind it, namely a bitterness among people who were ostracised by pretty girls at school or w/e for being nerds taking that angst from their youth at current incarnations of those same girls into their niche space.
On August 15 2014 06:37 Wombat_NI wrote: Best of luck, couldn't be bothered saying anything even vaguely critical because like, that'd be sexist and stuff right?
I don't think so, my sweet Wombat. I've harshly criticized male and female figures of SC2 alike and usually it goes through smoothly if it's fair and constructive. However as you accurately point out, you'll occasionally be accused of sexism. But that's because frankly, there's a lot of sexism going around and that's hard to deny, and people get confused about who's sexist and who's not among all the noise. You can just look at this thread. It's not always easy to tell who's a dick and who's not.
Luckily I'm not afraid of the flak so I'll speak my mind when/if I have something to say but I don't recall ever seeing anything of this girl so I'll wait and see. We've had some really good female hosts though and she seems to have been appreciated by many. Rachel Quirico (was it?) was good, Smix is always excellent and professional, and we've had many others.
So let's wait and see.
yea i dont think theres anything confusing or unfair about it
for example: the guy who said he has trouble taking female figures seriously because some of them are brought in for looks rather than game knowledge? i don't think he was sexist, maybe misguided in his criticism, but he was making a valid point about how he feels it affects the quality of productions, and he made an effort to be respectful
the people bringing up the morality of "selling your body" or implying that she's stupid/unethical because being pretty helps her make money? yes, i think that's dumb and deserves to be called out. personally i dont like using the word "sexist" because words like "sexist" and "racist" carry a heavily charged connotation of "PC policing" and tend to set people off. i prefer to just call dumb posts dumb and wrong ideas wrong
You gotta call a spade a spade. It's not hard to spot the pubescent confused teenagers in these forums and calling them out will hopefully help them in life. Either you grow out of it and end up a happy person capable of good relationships with both sexes or you end up a miserable old lonely coot with a silicon doll.
I don't want to argue the finer points of what is or what isn't sexism but give me a fucking break if you can't see how grossly inappropriate some of these comments have been. People get banned for posting benign stuff like "protoss OP lol" and yet people saying things that would get you a sued for harassment or discrimination in a court of law is OK because we're a bunch of young men.
Why don't we as a community grow the fuck up and not stand for this? We're a marginalized group ourselves and yet the first chance we get to judge someone based on looks, sex, gender etc we jump at.
Marginalized groups are always the quickest to use discrimination. They have great investment in their self-image and will try to dictate their entry barrier with the silliest criteria. The "fake geek girl" meme didn't come out of nowhere.
On August 15 2014 04:15 TigerKarl wrote: i'd prefer watching her nude Videos if she was hot.
guys like you.. shes stunningly hot, live ur nerd dream of perfect girls that dont exist oO
that's a matter of taste though. just because you think she's hot and he apparently doesn't doesn't mean he dreams of perfect girls 24/7. then again, who doesn't in some sense.
after reading this thread i want Soe back because Soe
Meh, here's the litmus test, if this person were a male or an unattractive female, would this even be newsworthy at all? There are usually two camps in this type of thread. One are the dudes who get excited that there's a hot female involved in gaming. The other camp are dudes who don't care that she's female and that she's attractive and make fun of the first camp. How are people in the latter group sexist when they disregard her gender and looks and focus solely on what actual value she brings to the scene?
This is basically what happened in the lindsey spoorer (sp?) thread, a girl that was only briefly involved in sc2 before leaving.
On August 15 2014 08:38 fishjie wrote: Meh, here's the litmus test, if this person were a male or an unattractive female, would this even be newsworthy at all? There are usually two camps in this type of thread. One are the dudes who get excited that there's a hot female involved in gaming. The other camp are dudes who don't care that she's female and that she's attractive and make fun of the first camp. How are people in the latter group sexist when they disregard her gender and looks and focus solely on what actual value she brings to the scene?
This is basically what happened in the lindsey spoorer (sp?) thread, a girl that was only briefly involved in sc2 before leaving.
Then there's the other other camp: dudes who care that she's female and assume she brings no "real" value because she's conventionally pretty.
On August 15 2014 08:38 fishjie wrote: How are people in the latter group sexist when they disregard her gender and looks and focus solely on what actual value she brings to the scene?
thats not at all the issue tho... the issue is people who immediately make every thread about how "women in starcraft are just there to look pretty". no one is claiming that its sexist to say "i dont like lauren elise because she doesnt know much about starcraft". if that were the only criticism there would be literally no problem ever
This would be newsworthy if only because a fairly well liked personality that was a part of NASL during some of it's best times has come back to StarCraft 2 in a role that they performed fairly well in.
I'm pretty sure most of the criticism is strongest online - if you saw her at a live event, you'd see the real enthusiasm and interest she shows. Can all of our personalities be High Master/GM? Nope - but they need to have interest, enthusiasm, and passion for the games. Does it matter to me that TotalBiscuit could take me out TvT, but I'm pretty sure I could take down Lauren TvT? Not at all, because that's not what they do - TB isn't likely to go heavy on analysis during commentary, and Lauren isn't going to cast at all - her job is to talk to people.
On August 15 2014 08:38 fishjie wrote: Meh, here's the litmus test, if this person were a male or an unattractive female, would this even be newsworthy at all?
yeah we had a thread for bitter leaving nasl and stuff, happens all the time, way more often then with women
There are usually two camps in this type of thread. One are the dudes who get excited that there's a hot female involved in gaming. The other camp are dudes who don't care that she's female and that she's attractive and make fun of the first camp.
seems like your rooting for the bullies as opposed to the heterosexual gamers that enjoy a little eye candy. how come? Also there are many more groups like the people that don't like her and aren't rude for no reason, the people that like her as a person, possibly her fans from before her starcraft career, people that can't take women in esports seriously, people that are jealous makes up a big portion too
How are people in the latter group sexist when they disregard her gender and looks and focus solely on what actual value she brings to the scene?
How does Bitter = Lauren Elise exactly ComaDose, different roles entirely, I had assumed Fish was referring to equivalent positions/SC know-how etc.
I see the levels of backlash being pretty unrelated to gender tbh and more to do with a sense of nerd elitism and defending their own arbitrary ideals of what you should have when entering the scene.
On August 16 2014 02:18 Wombat_NI wrote: How does Bitter = Lauren Elise exactly ComaDose, different roles entirely, I had assumed Fish was referring to equivalent positions/SC know-how etc.
I see the levels of backlash being pretty unrelated to gender tbh and more to do with a sense of nerd elitism and defending their own arbitrary ideals of what you should have when entering the scene.
It's more a sense of relevance to the topic than misogyny, yeah. Either you are someone with credibility and knowledge of the scene, or you aren't. You could be smoking hot or butt-ugly either way. The feeling that someone got to a position with the sole qualification of being hot can raise some hackles. "Hot" being entirely arbitrary of course, but still.
It can also come a cross as slightly insulting to ones' intelligence when you get the impression that a company is trying to appeal to your dick instead of your brain. I tend to steer clear of games that go that route for this very reason.
Will this help professional gaming grow/legitimizing the competition?
I would like to point out Kaci from The International actually took her time to study the game and learn about the community while being decent looking host. Did Lauren Elise put in the effort/time needed to understand the game and learn about the history of its community? Because there are literally 3 other female that I can list on the top of my head that have a good understanding of the game, they are Smix, Suzie Kim, and Anna Prosser.
If she acts completely stupid and make stupid judgement and make stupid comments about the game, she should be totally fired and get outraged by the community.
But then again, what does it say about the community? Are we all just a bunch of horny teenagers that are pussy whipped? Or are we do have a certain standard for girls to have not only presentable looks but also intelligent enough to talk about the game?
On August 16 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote: I would like to point out Kaci from The International actually took her time to study the game and learn about the community while being decent looking host. Did Lauren Elise put in the effort/time needed to understand the game and learn about the history of its community? Because there are literally 3 other female that I can list on the top of my head that have a good understanding of the game, they are Smix, Suzie Kim, and Anna Prosser.
Pretty sure Lauren Elise has played more SC2 (at least 1v1s on stream) than any of the other women you mentioned. (Dota 2 in Kaci's case)
On August 16 2014 02:18 Wombat_NI wrote: How does Bitter = Lauren Elise exactly ComaDose, different roles entirely, I had assumed Fish was referring to equivalent positions/SC know-how etc.
I see the levels of backlash being pretty unrelated to gender tbh and more to do with a sense of nerd elitism and defending their own arbitrary ideals of what you should have when entering the scene.
alright then clutch going to nasl or w.e. that thread was. I wish there was that relation but there is a reason that girl has been said ~40 times in this thread. and we had comments talking about how they can't take women seriously. everyone has different reasons and opinions of course. too many of those (i.e. > 0) are applied to entire genders unfortunately.
On August 16 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote: Because there are literally 3 other female that I can list on the top of my head that have a good understanding of the game, they are Smix, Suzie Kim, and Anna Prosser.
in addition to what was said about lauren playing a tonne on stream there's probably at least 100 women that have a good understanding and play in diamond and masters....
On August 14 2014 23:11 iloveav wrote: Hmm, there are few girls I can take seriously in sc2 scene. Obviously im not talking about well established gamers or commentators like scarlett, livebee, or that girl that Root recruited some time ago, and Soe.. i think, the one that drew so well.
Sorry for not knowing names, I dont keep up with SC2 scene that much anymore.
Its not that I dont like the girls, or that I think they are not capable of doings their job, but they always feel out of place in eSports. Every time they ask questions to the players in interviews... the questions feel very, very generic. Every time they try to hype something, it feels artificial... em... ofc this is my view on it. That beeing said, They do look better than every caster out there so.... there's that :D.
Interviews in SC2 are hilariously bad regardless of the gender of the person asking the question. Problem is progamers don't give good interviews and it limits what can be asked. Some of it is language barrier, some is just they have trouble with more than 1 word ansers for whatever reason. Kind of unfair singling out the female interviewers in my opinion. You can have a male interviewer ask Jaedong if he likes hamburgers in an interview and it would be all fine. A female interviewer asks if he felt confident with his preperation for the tournament or any number of other things and all of a sudden people are like "interviewer was only hired for their looks".
You bring up a very strong point. Cant argue with that.
in addition to what was said about lauren playing a tonne on stream there's probably at least 100 women that have a good understanding and play in diamond and masters....
How many of those have the personality and inclination to stand on stage in a skimpy dress and smile incessantly and generally be a hostess though? It takes a combination of attributes, game knowledge by itself is not enough.
in addition to what was said about lauren playing a tonne on stream there's probably at least 100 women that have a good understanding and play in diamond and masters....
How many of those have the personality and inclination to stand on stage in a skimpy dress and smile incessantly and generally be a hostess though? It takes a combination of attributes, game knowledge by itself is not enough.
I agree, not enough, its great to have another one back.
in addition to what was said about lauren playing a tonne on stream there's probably at least 100 women that have a good understanding and play in diamond and masters....
How many of those have the personality and inclination to stand on stage in a skimpy dress and smile incessantly and generally be a hostess though? It takes a combination of attributes, game knowledge by itself is not enough.
I'm sure there are plenty, just that they aren't lauren elise. Anyways i don't get the "newsworthy" argument. Someone retires or returns to the scene always get a post here. Who she is or does, doesn't matter for you are basically arguing that 90% of such posts are not newsworthy.
On August 14 2014 23:11 iloveav wrote: Hmm, there are few girls I can take seriously in sc2 scene. Obviously im not talking about well established gamers or commentators like scarlett, livebee, or that girl that Root recruited some time ago, and Soe.. i think, the one that drew so well.
Sorry for not knowing names, I dont keep up with SC2 scene that much anymore.
Its not that I dont like the girls, or that I think they are not capable of doings their job, but they always feel out of place in eSports. Every time they ask questions to the players in interviews... the questions feel very, very generic. Every time they try to hype something, it feels artificial... em... ofc this is my view on it. That beeing said, They do look better than every caster out there so.... there's that :D.
Interviews in SC2 are hilariously bad regardless of the gender of the person asking the question. Problem is progamers don't give good interviews and it limits what can be asked. Some of it is language barrier, some is just they have trouble with more than 1 word ansers for whatever reason. Kind of unfair singling out the female interviewers in my opinion. You can have a male interviewer ask Jaedong if he likes hamburgers in an interview and it would be all fine. A female interviewer asks if he felt confident with his preperation for the tournament or any number of other things and all of a sudden people are like "interviewer was only hired for their looks".
You bring up a very strong point. Cant argue with that.
This isn't entirely true. A good journalist and interview can get answers out of progamers - look at hotbid and Kaci Atchison.
On August 16 2014 02:18 Wombat_NI wrote: I see the levels of backlash being pretty unrelated to gender tbh and more to do with a sense of nerd elitism and defending their own arbitrary ideals of what you should have when entering the scene.
On August 14 2014 08:42 dAPhREAk wrote: oooh, the porn star.
she was a model or something not a pornstar.
Regardless of it was there really isn't a reason to bring it up. It has little to do with her current job (or starcraft) nor was it illegal for her to do whatever she did. Now if she was a drunk driver that killed 62 orphans and stole a fire truck, that might be a strong point to make in how this can hurt the image of E-sports. She isn't those things so as far as I'm concerned she is someone who is interested in SC2 and I hope she does a great job.
On August 14 2014 08:42 dAPhREAk wrote: oooh, the porn star.
she was a model or something not a pornstar.
Regardless of it was there really isn't a reason to bring it up. It has little to do with her current job (or starcraft) nor was it illegal for her to do whatever she did. Now if she was a drunk driver that killed 62 orphans and stole a fire truck, that might be a strong point to make in how this can hurt the image of E-sports. She isn't those things so as far as I'm concerned she is someone who is interested in SC2 and I hope she does a great job.
The more attention for Starcraft the better. She should stream or something, just to learn more about the game - someone like this could bring in 1,000 viewers easy even if in silver.
On August 18 2014 04:43 CursOr wrote: The more attention for Starcraft the better. She should stream or something, just to learn more about the game - someone like this could bring in 1,000 viewers easy even if in silver.
GL!
She did stream quite a bit but hasn't done much streaming recently.
On August 16 2014 02:18 Wombat_NI wrote: I see the levels of backlash being pretty unrelated to gender tbh and more to do with a sense of nerd elitism and defending their own arbitrary ideals of what you should have when entering the scene.
Which has loads of built in sexism.
Sexism is what the world of gaming does best. If your community does have enough sexist, another community will let you borrower theirs.
This thread is beyond hilarious. I love the guys screaming "she's trying to trick me with her sexiness, and she's being totally overt about it!" I always liked Lauren and I'm not gunna freak out if she was naked in a few videos I will likely never level watch. If she can make a fun show, then who cares, really?
Personally, I worry that bringing in women into the gaming computer. As long as they are brought in on equal footing to men and to be well respected by everyone in the community, I would hate for women to be brought in just for the looks and for some entertainment for men or God forbid adult entertainment, that's just wrong.
On August 16 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote: I would like to point out Kaci from The International actually took her time to study the game and learn about the community while being decent looking host. Did Lauren Elise put in the effort/time needed to understand the game and learn about the history of its community? Because there are literally 3 other female that I can list on the top of my head that have a good understanding of the game, they are Smix, Suzie Kim, and Anna Prosser.
Pretty sure Lauren Elise has played more SC2 (at least 1v1s on stream) than any of the other women you mentioned. (Dota 2 in Kaci's case)
That's not even close to being true, MS Spyte 20x203030230 better than random models, x porn stars, cam girls that try to get jobs in esports. Large amounts of Asian women are in masters+ (gaming is everything over there, that dumb nerd stereotype does not exist in Asia like it does in USA.) (msSpyte put thousands of hours into streaming since WOL)
Lauren Elise is a good actress and entertainer but please don't compare her small knowledge to other females who have more knowledge than her.
On August 16 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote: I would like to point out Kaci from The International actually took her time to study the game and learn about the community while being decent looking host. Did Lauren Elise put in the effort/time needed to understand the game and learn about the history of its community? Because there are literally 3 other female that I can list on the top of my head that have a good understanding of the game, they are Smix, Suzie Kim, and Anna Prosser.
Pretty sure Lauren Elise has played more SC2 (at least 1v1s on stream) than any of the other women you mentioned. (Dota 2 in Kaci's case)
That's not even close to being True, MS Spyte 20x203030230 better than random models, x porn stars, cam girls that try to get jobs in esports. Large amounts of Asian women are in masters+ (gaming is everything over there, that dumb nerd stereotype does not exist in Asia like it does in USA.) (msSpyte put thousands of hours into streaming since WOL)
Lauren Elise is a good actress and entertainer but please don't compare her small knowledge to other females who have more knowledge than her.
I compared her to Smix and lilsusie and Anna Prosser, who have either never or barely ever streamed 1v1 ladder.
On August 19 2014 10:38 PiPoGevy wrote: Personally, I worry that bringing in women into the gaming computer. As long as they are brought in on equal footing to men and to be well respected by everyone in the community, I would hate for women to be brought in just for the looks and for some entertainment for men or God forbid adult entertainment, that's just wrong.
So, to clarify, bring women into E-sports because they're people who are interested in SC2 rather than bring in naked women for entertainment for people who like E-sports. I really don't see how anything your saying applies to this at all.
But the "well respected by everyone..." isn't going to happen, it would be great if it was but some people won't respect some people. A few don't respect Destiny, others don't respect InControl, Kespa, list goes on and on. For the most part though she is getting involved cause she wants to, no one is forcing her into this.
So this talk of "bringing women into SC2" isn't accurate. Scarlett entered into the scene and dominated (dominating is a better word). I think we can see that any worry that women find SC2 fun (Such a fucking weird thing to worry about) is already taken care of.
On August 16 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote: I would like to point out Kaci from The International actually took her time to study the game and learn about the community while being decent looking host. Did Lauren Elise put in the effort/time needed to understand the game and learn about the history of its community? Because there are literally 3 other female that I can list on the top of my head that have a good understanding of the game, they are Smix, Suzie Kim, and Anna Prosser.
Pretty sure Lauren Elise has played more SC2 (at least 1v1s on stream) than any of the other women you mentioned. (Dota 2 in Kaci's case)
That's not even close to being True, MS Spyte 20x203030230 better than random models, x porn stars, cam girls that try to get jobs in esports. Large amounts of Asian women are in masters+ (gaming is everything over there, that dumb nerd stereotype does not exist in Asia like it does in USA.) (msSpyte put thousands of hours into streaming since WOL)
Lauren Elise is a good actress and entertainer but please don't compare her small knowledge to other females who have more knowledge than her.
I compared her to Smix and lilsusie and Anna Prosser, who have either never or barely ever streamed 1v1 ladder.
You can't compare her to those 3.
Smix and Lilsusie are hired to host events. Lilsusie does translations and reporter work for many different games in South Korea, and AnnA Prosser is a Employee of EG that does management and other tasks for the company. Those 3 have long term legit Esport jobs and do a good job.
They work in sports, they don't do random stuff and just pop in like other females do. Can't compare them
On August 16 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote: I would like to point out Kaci from The International actually took her time to study the game and learn about the community while being decent looking host. Did Lauren Elise put in the effort/time needed to understand the game and learn about the history of its community? Because there are literally 3 other female that I can list on the top of my head that have a good understanding of the game, they are Smix, Suzie Kim, and Anna Prosser.
Pretty sure Lauren Elise has played more SC2 (at least 1v1s on stream) than any of the other women you mentioned. (Dota 2 in Kaci's case)
That's not even close to being True, MS Spyte 20x203030230 better than random models, x porn stars, cam girls that try to get jobs in esports. Large amounts of Asian women are in masters+ (gaming is everything over there, that dumb nerd stereotype does not exist in Asia like it does in USA.) (msSpyte put thousands of hours into streaming since WOL)
Lauren Elise is a good actress and entertainer but please don't compare her small knowledge to other females who have more knowledge than her.
I compared her to Smix and lilsusie and Anna Prosser, who have either never or barely ever streamed 1v1 ladder.
You can't compare her to those 3.
Smix and Lilsusie are hired to host events. Lilsusie does translations and reporter work for many different games in South Korea, and AnnA Prosser is a Employee of EG that does management and other tasks for the company. Those 3 have long term legit Esport jobs and do a good job.
They work in sports, they don't do random stuff and just pop in like other females do. Can't compare them
That's irrelevant to the discussion of who has played more SC2.
Point is there are plenty of talented girls playing and casting StarcCraft who should have been the preferred choice, Lauren was just blatant eye candy for the boys.
Still the girls have had Day9 for years so I guess Lauren was just balancing things up.
On August 16 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote: The question that went over everyone's head:
Will this help professional gaming grow/legitimizing the competition?
I would like to point out Kaci from The International actually took her time to study the game and learn about the community while being decent looking host. Did Lauren Elise put in the effort/time needed to understand the game and learn about the history of its community? Because there are literally 3 other female that I can list on the top of my head that have a good understanding of the game, they are Smix, Suzie Kim, and Anna Prosser.
Huh? Since when has Smix, Suzie, and Anna (lol of all people) mentioned have shown good understanding of the game? Suzie probably catches enough from her previous BW experience though. But we don't even know if they touched SC2 at all lmao. Anna especially has not shown great knowledge of the game, neither has Rachel. But they get less flack because they are more established I guess.
On August 19 2014 10:38 PiPoGevy wrote: Personally, I worry that bringing in women into the gaming computer. As long as they are brought in on equal footing to men and to be well respected by everyone in the community, I would hate for women to be brought in just for the looks and for some entertainment for men or God forbid adult entertainment, that's just wrong.
On August 20 2014 21:26 Aerwulf wrote: Point is there are plenty of talented girls playing and casting StarcCraft who should have been the preferred choice, Lauren was just blatant eye candy for the boys.
Still the girls have had Day9 for years so I guess Lauren was just balancing things up.
Fresh blood is always good, don't get why so many people bitch about her, don't like her contribution? Well that's easy just don't watch the event and the market will do the rest after some time.
On August 20 2014 23:48 AngryMag wrote: Fresh blood is always good, don't get why so many people bitch about her, don't like her contribution? Well that's easy just don't watch the event and the market will do the rest after some time.
from what i saw i was all playful, teasing kind of behaviour, look at me, fit girl, showing off to all u adolescent lads, drool over me plz and ill lead u on (internet sense) i mean the funniest thing i heard was when gretorp was teaching her terran and she lost a game and she was asking why she lost gretorp went into some mass coaching talk and she blurted "COS TERRAN OP" i thought that was funny, then gretorp started the defensive about the comment and she was having none of it. it was really good
On August 20 2014 21:26 Aerwulf wrote: Point is there are plenty of talented girls playing and casting StarcCraft who should have been the preferred choice, Lauren was just blatant eye candy for the boys.
Still the girls have had Day9 for years so I guess Lauren was just balancing things up.
both sexes have had tasteless and artosis though
This man speaks the truth. Why settle for day9 when you can have the security beast who is tasteless. He even comes attached to artists.
People are saying that there are "girl gamers" who are better at the game so they should get the job instead? I totally agree, since "girl gamers" won't make it anyway they should quit practice and take a hosting job. Anybody seen my fake fedora?
Edit: Redeye. Everybody loves Redeye as a host and he didn't know shit about SC2 when he started in this scene. Just in case anyone wants to argue that it's the same for males.
On August 14 2014 08:42 dAPhREAk wrote: oooh, the porn star.
she was a model or something not a pornstar.
Regardless of it was there really isn't a reason to bring it up. It has little to do with her current job (or starcraft) nor was it illegal for her to do whatever she did. Now if she was a drunk driver that killed 62 orphans and stole a fire truck, that might be a strong point to make in how this can hurt the image of E-sports. She isn't those things so as far as I'm concerned she is someone who is interested in SC2 and I hope she does a great job.
i'm correcting someone
kind of late to the party since i have been gone, but you didnt correct anyone. she is a pornstar that created softcore porn movies, which i linked in this thread and was warned for posting "porn." it really doesn't matter that she is a pornstar, but trying to mislead by calling her a model is kind of ridiculous. she does pornographic photo shoots and videos; she isn't modeling clothes for aeropostale (although she may do that as well, who knows).
and not sure why its not relevant that i brought it up in the first place, it was literally the only thing i remember about her from her days with NASL. i like attractive hosts and glad they broguht the porn star back because she is attractive. y'all may like a "knowledgeable" host that played a few games of sc2 (lol, thats such bullshit), but that matter little to me for a host.
First episode of her show, pretty fun. It seems she is a Playboy bunny. Edit this into the op?
Holy fucking shit my fuckin EARS! Jesus christ, is she dating the NASL soundguy? R.I.P headphone users (seriously, be careful with the sound level if you watch it)
anyway, i don't know who she is, but welcome back (did she leave?) Hopefully she will enjoy some Starcraft with the rest of us