EPT"Destiny I" Financial Report - Page 15
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
if fans want to see kespa players, all they have to do is say "hey! kespa! we liked this tournament and we want your players here next time, bro!" but calling them out like this seems like catching flies with vinegar. and saying "the old me would have been blasting them for what they did" is, in fact, blasting them for what they did, just in a less honest and straightforward way. not looking to troll or take anything away from all the great effort into this event, just trying to bring some honesty and reality. all of that aside, i am genuinely looking forward to more from destiny | ||
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Justinian
United Kingdom158 Posts
On August 12 2014 05:01 Rikudou wrote: as a european this is a pain in the ass to say, but please start the tournament later because the koreans get really really tired in the semi finals/ grand final and that hurts the quality of the games (like Innovations 3 proxy raxes in a row) but that's your decision (it's just a idea) ! gl hf in the next tournament sir! Yeah even as a European, for me slightly later games would have been good. I couldn't watch the weekday games live as I was at work. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On August 12 2014 05:08 Justinian wrote: Yeah even as a European, for me slightly later games would have been good. I couldn't watch the weekday games live as I was at work. Thankfully, we at least get VODS on Youtube. They're also really well organized. :D | ||
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Justinian
United Kingdom158 Posts
On August 12 2014 05:11 IntoTheheart wrote: Thankfully, we at least get VODS on Youtube. They're also really well organized. :D Exactly, I don't mean to sound ungrateful. There's no way to please everyone with timings. | ||
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
On August 12 2014 04:21 Byyk wrote: Destiny, I am impressed. From villain of SC2 scene to the savior. Really nice work. When I remember: And now after all that time, like twist... Keep with good work, it is appreciated. I find it funny that all those guys angry at Destiny for speaking truth are retired and have left (Geoff casts though) and Destiny lived to save SCII. Also its kind of ironic if Koreans had to leave and the scene did improve. | ||
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gorbonic
United States73 Posts
Re: Cons for sponsorship: The "logos hurt tournaments" argument seems just plain wonky. As for potential conflicts and restrictions, you can deal with those on a case-by-case basis, with the general proviso that sponsors should expect a unique vibe from a Destiny event. Compromise ain't so bad. And there's nothing wrong with (nicely) rejecting a sponsorship if you think it will really hurt the event. The "music by fans" aspect was awesome and tied in well with the crowd-funding aspect. Let's use that as an example of something a bigger sponsor might want to cut into. It might be possible to split breaks 50/50, or include sponsor content between games, but Destiny content between (longer) sets (which could clarify to viewers what's going on when they tune in between games). That sort of thing. In any case, if you have to choose between Monster and Red Bull, you're in really good shape. Thanks for the fun tourney! | ||
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Trotsky x
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Razac
Netherlands101 Posts
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Kenthros
United States95 Posts
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jodwin
Finland18 Posts
On August 12 2014 05:33 gorbonic wrote: Re: Cons for sponsorship: The "logos hurt tournaments" argument seems just plain wonky. As for potential conflicts and restrictions, you can deal with those on a case-by-case basis, with the general proviso that sponsors should expect a unique vibe from a Destiny event. Compromise ain't so bad. And there's nothing wrong with (nicely) rejecting a sponsorship if you think it will really hurt the event. The "music by fans" aspect was awesome and tied in well with the crowd-funding aspect. Let's use that as an example of something a bigger sponsor might want to cut into. It might be possible to split breaks 50/50, or include sponsor content between games, but Destiny content between (longer) sets (which could clarify to viewers what's going on when they tune in between games). That sort of thing. In any case, if you have to choose between Monster and Red Bull, you're in really good shape. Thanks for the fun tourney! I'd like to continue from this with the following: You could even argue that some sponsors could enforce whatever brand image you want to bring forth with the tournaments. At least in my eyes Destiny I was clearly set apart from other tournaments in regards to branding: Sleek, light graphics instead of black and steel, calm and unique music instead of kpop, rock or StarCraft tracks. Something like traditional peripheral or PC component sponsors might not be the best fit image-wise (would be weird to see black-green Razer ads among the dominantly white tournament graphics), but I thought that Jord, for example, meshed well here. | ||
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
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vitruvia
Canada235 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
Also you have to look at it from there perspective. They probably didn't follow your build up to the tournament so as far as they were concerned it was somebody who'd never organized a tournament before asking for kespa players and they weren't sure you weren't going to put on a half ass product and try to use kespa players solelyu for bringing in viewers. at the end of the day though It's still your choice but I think dismissing them because of one email that may have come off a little harsh isn't a great idea. | ||
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_fool
Netherlands682 Posts
I used to be a hater, but Destiny pulled this off really well. Kudo's! | ||
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Aznupdown
Canada318 Posts
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vitruvia
Canada235 Posts
On August 12 2014 01:24 cheeseheadlogic wrote: Kespa will always be Kespa, not to begin an ethnic discussion but korean business principles seem to differ compared to NA. They are very stingie with how they handle things and tend to be very filtered, and to a certain extent getting to a point of committal takes longer. Def agree with 1800 being insanely low. Majority of people do not understand the amount of planning, coordination, prep, and actual time put into this type of an event. Tough to put an exact number, but a lot of people who have to do way way less than what Steven did, make more. $1800 for 6+ days of work is less than $300 a day, most of us office workers can get by $200 a day just sitting around playing mmorpgs 50% of the times while at work. Seeing that destiny's getting barely any sleep a day during the 2 weeks around the tournament makes the $1800 pocketed ore than justifiable if not a bit under-deserved. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
Dont listen to the guys who say you shouldnt make a living out of such a nice product. Hope you can live off the fat of the Internet for years to come man. Online tourneys like this and the Sandisk invitational are awesome. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
On August 12 2014 05:01 Rikudou wrote: as a european this is a pain in the ass to say, but please start the tournament later because the koreans get really really tired in the semi finals/ grand final and that hurts the quality of the games (like Innovations 3 proxy raxes in a row) but that's your decision (it's just a idea) ! gl hf in the next tournament sir! He would have to start the stream about 10h "later" then, missing the core Euro viewers all together that he wanted to focus on. It is impossible to find a good timeslot for EU, NA and Korea, simply can't be done. | ||
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