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Now Announcing, Breaking Out NA Season 3! - Page 3
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EJK
United States1302 Posts
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
http://www.excello.net/tournament/5318/zowie-na-rumble-3/#info Also DON'T FORGET TO REGISTER! Registration deadline is in only 6 days! If you plan to participate in the 2nd qualifier, you MUST REGISTER BEFORE THE QUALIFIER or you will not be considered for it. | ||
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PandaBearMe
United States20 Posts
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
On August 05 2014 14:44 PandaBearMe wrote: im not sure how i feel about non breaking out players being able to play in the 2nd qualifer seems unfair if someone gets knocked out early cause u played a hard opponent early on thats not even applied for it T_T To be entirely honest, this was mostly done due to trouble with scheduling. We wanted to run it during a weekend and this was the only weekend that Masterdalk(man admin'ing the entire event) was realistically available. Unfortunately, the ZOWIE rumble was already on that day so we decided to compromise a bit. I admit it's not the way I wanted it to happen, but the reality is the event is heavily dependent on the amazing volunteer admin, Masterdalk, to run it and this was the best setup we could afford to do. However, we do feel that with the 1st qualifier, the ladder spots and the invite spot, there are still a fair number of ways you can qualify, even if you do get some rough bracket luck. And of course, I don't have any particular inclination to stop the show on Season 3 so if for some reason all of the other 3 methods do not work for you, I hope you still apply for Season 4(which feels weird to be talking about before Season 3 even starts). So long story short(tl;dr): I agree with you, but the circumstances made it difficult to do otherwise. I personally apologize it ended up this way and I'll be sure to find backup plans in the future to avoid these types of solutions in the future. With that said, there are still lots of other qualification methods that you can make it through. | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
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FilthyRake
United States473 Posts
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Master of DalK
Canada1804 Posts
On August 05 2014 15:46 feardragon wrote: + Show Spoiler [feardragons wall of text] + To be entirely honest, this was mostly done due to trouble with scheduling. We wanted to run it during a weekend and this was the only weekend that Masterdalk(man admin'ing the entire event) was realistically available. Unfortunately, the ZOWIE rumble was already on that day so we decided to compromise a bit. I admit it's not the way I wanted it to happen, but the reality is the event is heavily dependent on the amazing volunteer admin, Masterdalk, to run it and this was the best setup we could afford to do. However, we do feel that with the 1st qualifier, the ladder spots and the invite spot, there are still a fair number of ways you can qualify, even if you do get some rough bracket luck. And of course, I don't have any particular inclination to stop the show on Season 3 so if for some reason all of the other 3 methods do not work for you, I hope you still apply for Season 4(which feels weird to be talking about before Season 3 even starts). So long story short(tl;dr): I agree with you, but the circumstances made it difficult to do otherwise. I personally apologize it ended up this way and I'll be sure to find backup plans in the future to avoid these types of solutions in the future. With that said, there are still lots of other qualification methods that you can make it through. Hi, said volunteer admin here. I completely understand why you would be a little on the fence about having non-BO players playing. Unfortunately this summer was fairly taken up for time, and with the shorter window of time between BO2 and BO3 as well as (personally) a lot of stuff being up in the air, it made it a little bit more difficult to schedule everything perfectly. If I had the option to change it, I would but unfortunately I don't, so this is kind of what we had to do. The other option was to just have 1 qualifier with top 4 qualify but that would be less preferable. There's just so much going on, and I really didn't want to make it feel like anyone would be forced to pick a BO qualifier over something else, but I also didn't want to give my other project the ZOWIE NA Rumbles the back foot. I'm sorry for the inconvenience but it's the best we could do. | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
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Sleet
United States139 Posts
Literally saving esports :D | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
The remaining spot will be decided through a round robin play between Trace, Caliber and kifire! All three of these guys will be playing out a bunch of PvP's to see who will earn the 5th spot in Breaking Out Season 3! | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On August 02 2014 09:30 playa wrote: I'll prob get banned or whatever, but I don't think Cham should be in this. He's the main reason I only played in one non WCS qualifier tournament, in SC 2, and gave up. It's hard to make a name for yourself or anything, when people hack in every tournament you enter. Cham is the reason that we need tournaments like this in the first place. I played him in a tournament and he blatantly hacked. Instantly reacting. 0 desire to have his overlords be in a location to see whether any expansions were being taken, despite only needing to move a few inches. No awareness of a robo, let alone a warp prism, yet moves all of his units to his base and sets his rallies there when a warp prism approaches. After the fact, I realized he was a self admitted hacker. The guy is like 35-3 on the Z33K site in tournaments, magically beating every Korean he faces. I don't care if the guy is clean now. He ruined tournaments for everyone and players like him are a big reason why we need tournaments like these.. To see him get rewarded again is just sick. First, I don't think your post is ban-worthy, you are just expressing your opinion politely. Next, you gave up after one incident? One incident of a possible hacker (possible because I need more proof or corroboration) and you decide you want to give up? Of course its hard to make a name for yourself, but giving up because of someone else is a poor excuse to hide your fears. Dude just man up and move forward. Don't cry about hackers stopping you from succeeding, because that will happen outside the game. You think everyone in life is going to play fair? Do you honestly believe that no one will try to rip you off; steal from you; sabotage your shit; or even outright hurt you? I don't think its just this Cham character, I think you gave up because you didn't have the balls to keep going forward after a nasty knockdown. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On August 12 2014 13:57 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: First, I don't think your post is ban-worthy, you are just expressing your opinion politely. Next, you gave up after one incident? One incident of a possible hacker (possible because I need more proof or corroboration) and you decide you want to give up? Of course its hard to make a name for yourself, but giving up because of someone else is a poor excuse to hide your fears. Dude just man up and move forward. Don't cry about hackers stopping you from succeeding, because that will happen outside the game. You think everyone in life is going to play fair? Do you honestly believe that no one will try to rip you off; steal from you; sabotage your shit; or even outright hurt you? I don't think its just this Cham character, I think you gave up because you didn't have the balls to keep going forward after a nasty knockdown. I came from BW. Every time a method for catching hackers was found, a RIDICULOUS amount of competitive players would be found cheating. People you wouldn't even expect or noticed... You can't expect to play in any tournament with money on the line, with random players, without someone hacking. That is why I didn't play in any for so long, as what's the point... To face Cham, who was blatantly hacking... Yeah, it confirmed I wanted nothing to do with random tournaments or ones with him in it. If you want to play in random tournaments, you have to be better than hackers. I obviously wasn't, so why play... facts... It's sad that you can be an admitted hacker who cheated his way to probably all of his tournaments wins, yet can play in this, no biggie. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On August 12 2014 14:05 playa wrote: I came from BW. Every time a method for catching hackers was found, a RIDICULOUS amount of competitive players would be found cheating. People you wouldn't even expect or noticed... You can't expect to play in any tournament with money on the line, with random players, without someone hacking. That is why I didn't play in any for so long, as what's the point... To face Cham, who was blatantly hacking... Yeah, it confirmed I wanted nothing to do with random tournaments or ones with him in it. If you want to play in random tournaments, you have to be better than hackers. I obviously wasn't, so why play... facts... It's sad that you can be an admitted hacker who cheated his way to probably all of his tournaments wins, yet can play in this, no biggie. Hey I do understand your frustration, and you have every right to feel frustrated with the hackers. However, this is SC2, not BW. Thankfully, Blizzard has gotten very good at catching the hackers. As well, if you truly believe he is hacking during a tournament then prove it. If you want to help the scene, be involved. Don't just slink away; point fingers from the shadows; or cry about it. As I said before, I don't think the problem is that you played a hacker and he got away with it so now you don't want to try anymore. I think you have a problem with moving forward after any setback. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On August 12 2014 14:15 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Hey I do understand your frustration, and you have every right to feel frustrated with the hackers. However, this is SC2, not BW. Thankfully, Blizzard has gotten very good at catching the hackers. As well, if you truly believe he is hacking during a tournament then prove it. If you want to help the scene, be involved. Don't just slink away; point fingers from the shadows; or cry about it. As I said before, I don't think the problem is that you played a hacker and he got away with it so now you don't want to try anymore. I think you have a problem with moving forward after any setback. Thankfully? I was able to play in WCG qualifiers with anti hack. I was able to ladder without playing against hackers. SC 2 is no better than playing on Battle.net East 10 years ago. How many known players have you heard getting caught for hacking or repercussions? Now that there's some money in the game, all of the sudden no one hacks? SC 2 is anything but a step forward. I actually don't care that much when I face hackers on ladder. What irks me is how people can blatantly hack yet be allowed to play in whatever they want. How long was imbaltoss able to win every tournament, and be number 1 on the ladder, despite everyone knowing he was hacking, lol. SC 2 is a step backward in that regard, for sure. | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
Don't forget the ladder qualifiers will be the final "qualifiable" spots left! Those end in about a week and half so if you didn't manage to qualify yet, get on that grandmaster ladder! I'll be releasing a top 8 list for players in the next few days so be on the lookout for that as well! P.S. @Playa & Jett.Jack: While I can appreciate the sentiment, the accusations made are pretty severe. I'm not saying you shouldn't make them, but if you do you really should back up your statements with concrete evidence like replays, proof of his "self-admittance", etc. Otherwise, whether you believe it's true or not, it's somewhat unfair because anyone can do it and immediately devalue someone's results, regardless of whether it's true or not. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On August 14 2014 16:07 feardragon wrote: Congrats to Kif1re(P) on qualifying for Breaking Out Season 3! He made it in alongside PandaBearMe(Z) from the 2nd qualifier but was actually in a three way tie between Kif1re, Caliber and Trace! The three played out a round robin of PvP's and Kif1re came out on top with some really impressive, and unique PvP play! Very much looking forward to having him on the show! Don't forget the ladder qualifiers will be the final "qualifiable" spots left! Those end in about a week and half so if you didn't manage to qualify yet, get on that grandmaster ladder! I'll be releasing a top 8 list for players in the next few days so be on the lookout for that as well! P.S. @Playa & Jett.Jack: While I can appreciate the sentiment, the accusations made are pretty severe. I'm not saying you shouldn't make them, but if you do you really should back up your statements with concrete evidence like replays, proof of his "self-admittance", etc. Otherwise, whether you believe it's true or not, it's somewhat unfair because anyone can do it and immediately devalue someone's results, regardless of whether it's true or not. It's old news. If anyone cares, just search... He probably doesn't even hack now. Not only has he said he hacked when he was a "noobie," but he has had replay packs devoted to highlighting his hacking, and he continued to get accused of hacking, monthly, despite being in GM (long since when he was supposed to have stopped). It's not like he has defended it anywhere... Grats to Kif1re. That's impressive and a little bit surprising! | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
In exactly 1 week from this post(minutes and hours included) the ladder qualifier for Breaking Out will finish! Since we're a week away, I thought it would be a good time to do the update on the current standings so people have an idea of where they stand. Since we have a small number of barcodes(I keep forgetting to put in the rules not to use barcodes for this...) I'll be keeping leaving out the exact placements/point values of each player out, but will make vague references to point value leads. Here are the top 7 players, with a reminder that the Top 2 qualify. These are the players I think still have a good shot of reaching the top 2 spots. 1) [Flipsid3] Bails(P) 2) [Ascension] Bioice(Z) 3) [MicroGamerz] Kelazhur(T) 4) [Gravity] Trace(P) 5) [IvD] Intense(T) 6) [Flipsid3] ElhayM(T) 7) [ROOT] Caliber(P/R) So here's a bit of general analysis to give some context to these standings.
I'm very interested to see how things will shape up! Best of luck to all the players playing! | ||
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Gemini_19
United States1266 Posts
I'll be keeping leaving out the exact placements/point values of each player out, but will make vague references to point value leads Wouldn't it be better to include those so that people can know where they need to get to in order to qualify? | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
On August 18 2014 13:03 Gemini_19 wrote: Wouldn't it be better to include those so that people can know where they need to get to in order to qualify? It's a fair complaint that was caused by my not including a rule about barcodes or privacy. I'll say right now that BioIce's Profile shows 1534 points. If you need a general gauge of what to shoot for, you can use that as your gauge. | ||
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feardragon
United States973 Posts
1) [Flipsid3] Bails(P) - 1st->1st 2) [IvD] Intense(T) - 5th->2nd 3) [Ascension] Bioice(Z) - 2nd->3rd 4) [Gravity] Trace(P) - 4th->4th 5) [MicroGamerz] Kelazhur(T) - 3rd->5th In about 5 days we've seen a few shifts in the top rankings. Bails is still leading the charge a solid ~100 points ahead of Intense. But Intense has a bit less than a 100 point lead now on Bioice. After that, Trace and Kelazhur are sitting down only about 100 points from Bioice. With about ~70 hours left, there's still some great chances for movement amongst the top 5! As seen with Intense, making the jump from 5th to 2nd, some hard, dedicated work on the ladder can really pay off in boosting up in your ranking! I'm interested to see if anyone else will pop up in a similar fashion at the last second. | ||
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