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Socup
190 Posts
On July 12 2014 08:27 Insane wrote: If their macro, upgrades, and decisions are pro status, then why in the world would they be stuck in gold or platinum?! You tell me when Zergs have 3-3 maxed armies with ultras at 18-20 minutes in gold. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On July 12 2014 06:43 chipmonklord17 wrote: I'm curious if this has even been brought to blizzard's attention It would be nice to know the scale as well. "Win trading" by itself doesn't tell you how bad it is. Giving someone 2 wins like the screenshot is technically cheating but it's arguably not a significant number to reach 200 wins and someone could plausibly defend themselves that they had internet problems or something. I could sort of see how Blizzard doesn't want to draw a bright line to encourage a certain amount of cheating, something like saying trading 8 wins is okay but 9 wins results in punishment. It is probably the case that iAsonu and XY traded a number over a short period of time that is indefensible. | ||
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Socup
190 Posts
On July 12 2014 08:40 coverpunch wrote: It would be nice to know the scale as well. "Win trading" by itself doesn't tell you how bad it is. Giving someone 2 wins like the screenshot is technically cheating but it's arguably not a significant number to reach 200 wins and someone could plausibly defend themselves that they had internet problems or something. I could sort of see how Blizzard doesn't want to draw a bright line to encourage a certain amount of cheating, something like saying trading 8 wins is okay but 9 wins results in punishment. It is probably the case that iAsonu and XY traded a number over a short period of time that is indefensible. Common sense would say the bright line is at one, but unless people are watching players for their intent, disconnects would be very ambiguous. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On July 12 2014 08:34 Socup wrote: You tell me when Zergs have 3-3 maxed armies with ultras at 18-20 minutes in gold. Happens too on EU. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On July 12 2014 08:52 Socup wrote: Common sense would say the bright line is at one, but unless people are watching players for their intent, disconnects would be very ambiguous. Yeah, you can't tell the difference between a disconnect and win trading from any given game, unless people are dumb enough to chat "hey give me a win" and the other person promptly loses a game. Even if the same two players play 2, 3, even arguably 5 or 7 times and one player insta-disconnects and loses the games, that could be a gray area. Like I said, there's a number where it's indefensible. If someone loses 30 games to the same player where they are all insta-wins, obviously they're cheating. | ||
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LingBlingBling
United States353 Posts
On July 12 2014 04:34 lantz wrote: wow Blizzard woke up ?? Good news they will ban all maphackers tomorrow !! Blizzard has not been able to ban map hackers for 5 years, I doubt they are going to start now, they can't even get rid of the external map hacks that been out on sc2 for 3 years, they tried sueing the hack creators but failed hard. lol. Blizzard going after WCS chinese players and EU players now. Glad they are catching minor stuff like this but yeah.....They won't stop the mass hackers unless they hire a engineer to play cat and mouse with them, Blizzard to cheap to do that tho, they have the money and power to stop map hackers, they simply don't do it. Even the hackers said Blizzard can get rid of them easily with a security engineer. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8244 Posts
On July 12 2014 05:35 Dodgin wrote: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/29ypsg/update_on_ig_win_trading_situation/ http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/29ypsg/update_on_ig_win_trading_situation/cipslay http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/29ypsg/update_on_ig_win_trading_situation/ciq7g2l http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/29ypsg/update_on_ig_win_trading_situation/ciq5o36 Lol Blizzard... I guess the Korean market is more important? | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On July 12 2014 10:03 geokilla wrote: Lol Blizzard... I guess the Korean market is more important? Well, technically there is no proof since none of the players admitted doing it and the extend of game trading is also unkown, however I do think that Blizz should investigate it. :-/ | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On July 12 2014 15:13 JustPassingBy wrote: Well, technically there is no proof since none of the players admitted doing it and the extend of game trading is also unkown, however I do think that Blizz should investigate it. :-/ perhaps they already do or did but yet not enough proofs | ||
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Wardi
England897 Posts
On July 12 2014 06:04 superpanda27 wrote: Krr is a participant of WCS, so I'm guessing in ANY competition he is part of, he is being kept to the WCS player code of conduct. And I'm also guessing that SC2ITL is a Blizzard sanctioned event so it can also fall under Blizzard's jurisdiction when the offender is a WCS participant. SC2ITL will likely also be handing out a punishment to Krr in terms of partaking in the SC2ITL. edit: Blizzard is making, I think is making a clear statement, that any cheating found in any other competition will also hinder that participants chance's in WCS. I banned both Krr and KensShow (the player he was playing as for another team) from all future SC2Improve events (SC2ITL & our individual leagues). Had no idea it would blow up to be this big and he would be punished in WCS too. It was pretty serious though - he had been playing for this other player and I assume being paid for it for numerous months in numerous competitions/cups. It was a lot more than just a one off. At least he will be able to recover from a one season ban, though it is bad timing for him as he just had his best performance yet last season. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On July 12 2014 17:06 Drake wrote: huge for ty and iasonu perhaps they already do or did but yet not enough proofs Then they should release a statement like, "oh that one screenshot was most likely just an unlucky dc, we checked their match history and could not find any hints of win trading". | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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AyaaLa
Spain629 Posts
this shit is making me more sure that i will never play sc2 again. goodbye | ||
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MagnuMizer
Denmark384 Posts
On July 12 2014 19:01 AyaaLa wrote: yeah ban the win traders and not the maphackers. this shit is making me more sure that i will never play sc2 again. goodbye they dont fix any of the issues at hand... the entire ladder is fucked, the new maps are fucked, the widow mine buff is fucked, hackers everywhere.. everything is fucked... Blizzard are necrophiliacs, they are FUCKING a DEAD GAME User was warned for this post | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On July 12 2014 19:01 AyaaLa wrote: yeah ban the win traders and not the maphackers. this shit is making me more sure that i will never play sc2 again. goodbye Even if you think Blizzard should do more about maphacking, why would it be okay to let win trading go unpunished? Especially, when the incident concerns WCS players. This kind of argument does not make any sense to me. | ||
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
On July 12 2014 17:26 Wardi wrote: I banned both Krr and KensShow (the player he was playing as for another team) from all future SC2Improve events (SC2ITL & our individual leagues). Had no idea it would blow up to be this big and he would be punished in WCS too. It was pretty serious though - he had been playing for this other player and I assume being paid for it for numerous months in numerous competitions/cups. It was a lot more than just a one off. At least he will be able to recover from a one season ban, though it is bad timing for him as he just had his best performance yet last season. You have no proof of that, and assumptions when talking about player's career is just ridiculous. | ||
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Wardi
England897 Posts
On July 12 2014 19:48 Sakkreth wrote: You have no proof of that, and assumptions when talking about player's career is just ridiculous. We do, we have replays over numerous tournaments showing the same hotkeys etc and he admitted to it afterwards.The assumption was that he was getting some portion of KensShows pay, which is pretty likely because why else would he do it? Edit : My original phrasing was bad I should have said : He had been playing for this other player for numerous months in numerous competitions/cups and I assume he was taking a share of the other players salary from his team when playing in Clan Wars etc. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On July 12 2014 19:01 AyaaLa wrote: yeah ban the win traders and not the maphackers. this shit is making me more sure that i will never play sc2 again. goodbye There ware no maphackers in WCS. I'm sure, if a WCS player would be map hacking, he would get a far more severe punishment. Or when was the last time, you heard of Spades or Daisuki? | ||
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