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Kim Phan released a statement regarding WCS players Krr, iAsonu and XY and their violations of the World Championship Series Player Handbook Code of Conduct and Battle.net Account conduct policies.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13423452444#1
Kim Phan
Blizzard Employee
Two instances of player misconduct have come to our attention during the past month of StarCraft II competition that involve players participating in the World Championship Series. Both infractions represent a clear violation of the World Championship Series Player Handbook Code of Conduct and Battle.net Account conduct policies.
We take any misconduct that compromises the integrity of play in StarCraft II very seriously and hold the players of the World Championship Series to the highest standard.
‘Krr’ - WCS Europe
The WCS Europe Challenger player Krr was reported for playing under a second account in the StarCraft II league SC2 Improve Team League. Upon further investigation Blizzard has found Krr to be in violation of the collusion and match fixing section of the WCS Player Code of Conduct per his actions in the SC2 Improve Team League. In addition, we fully investigated Krr’s use of other players' StarCraft II accounts and found grounds for suspension.
Krr will be suspended from WCS Europe for Season 3 and will be suspended from the WCS Global Finals should he earn enough points to otherwise qualify. If there are no further instances of misconduct, Krr will be eligible to compete in the 2015 seasons of WCS.
To replace Krr’s Season 3 WCS Europe Challenger spot, the WCS Europe Ladder Wildcard Qualifier will contain one additional qualification spot this season.
‘iAsonu’ and ‘XY’
iAsonu recently qualified for WCS America Season 3, and XY participated in the past WCS America events and the Americas server ladder. Players on the Americas server reported win trading between the two players, which constitutes a clear violation of the WCS Player Code of Conduct and degrade the quality of competition on the Americas server. Win trading is an exploit, which falls under the Cheating subsection of the Player Code of Conduct. After investigating both iAsonu and XY’s accounts, we found significant win trading with the goal of reaching an eligible number of wins for the WCS Ladder Wildcard Qualifier. While iAsonu already held WCS Challenger status, he is not indemnified and was complicit in cheating.
iAsonu and XY will be suspended from WCS America for Season 3 and will be suspended from the Global Finals should either player earn enough points to otherwise qualify. iAsonu and XY will be eligible to compete in the 2015 seasons of WCS.
To replace iAsonu's Season 3 WCS America Challenger spot, a playoff match between the 3rd and 4th place players of the WCS America, China Qualifier will take place at a later date.
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Good, appropriate punishment.
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Can't have a week without drama...
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The worst part about this, is none of them needed to do it, All three of these players are easily challenger level players and possibly premier in their regions. Don't break the rules kids.
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Well, atleast they are showing there will be punishments for cheating. And this is some serious punishment.
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On July 12 2014 04:31 LongShot27 wrote:
The worst part about this, is none of them needed to do it, All three of these players are easily challenger level players and possibly premier in their regions. Don't break the rules kids.
Yeah, and IAsonu and Krr's cheating had NOTHING to do with WCS. Krr was cheating in a teamleague and IAsonu did not need the wins anyway, since he won the chinese qualifier.
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Edison's gonna be breaking some skulls tonight.
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On July 12 2014 04:25 Cokefreak wrote:
Can't have a week without drama...
Can it really be considered "Drama" when it's a professional response from a ruling authority about a violation of rules? Seems pretty standard, to me, nothing to be dramatic about.
Kinda curious about the spot being freed up in WCS EU. Why add it to the wildcard qualifier and not one of the EU Qualifiers?
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wow Blizzard woke up ?? Good news they will ban all maphackers tomorrow !!
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Honestly it hardly matters at this point.
The whole 'make ladder better' rule-set was ignored so often that you might as well forget about it.
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On July 12 2014 04:34 lantz wrote:
wow Blizzard woke up ?? Good news they will ban all maphackers tomorrow !!
lel
User was warned for this post
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Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well?
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feel like catching maphackers are more urgent of an issue if Blizzard cared so much about justice
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too hard to 11/11 350games zzz
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On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well?
You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS?
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On July 12 2014 04:44 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well? You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS?
try to read more carefully
he said sc2l
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On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well?
They violated battle.net terms, blizzard hands out the punishment for that. They should not have tried to cheat in any tournament.
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On July 12 2014 04:48 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:44 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well? You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS? try to read more carefully he said sc2l
and derived onto hearthsone while blizz statement clearly mentionned which rules have been infringed.
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On July 12 2014 04:41 Picasso wrote:
feel like catching maphackers are more urgent of an issue if Blizzard cared so much about justice
They are trying, they made a post 2 days ago.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/14732379
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On July 12 2014 04:31 LongShot27 wrote:
The worst part about this, is none of them needed to do it, All three of these players are easily challenger level players and possibly premier in their regions. Don't break the rules kids.
idno, the worst part about this to me is that they all cheated in some way 
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On July 12 2014 04:48 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:44 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well? You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS? try to read more carefully he said sc2l
I saw that, I assumed it was a typo or the l stood was "ladder", either way I don't know what it means. Whether it's a typo, ladder or league, it still doesn't make sense.
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This is the first time i've seen a real consequence for unfair play since TL banned dimaga tt1 yosh and them during the TSL. Outside of anything to do with matchfixing that is.
I think anyone who thought about running 2 accounts in a league to help a team out or try and make an extra buck, is going to now think otherwise.
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At least WCS 2015 is confirmed I guess?
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On July 12 2014 04:32 Josh_Video wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:31 LongShot27 wrote:
The worst part about this, is none of them needed to do it, All three of these players are easily challenger level players and possibly premier in their regions. Don't break the rules kids. Yeah, and IAsonu and Krr's cheating had NOTHING to do with WCS. Krr was cheating in a teamleague and IAsonu did not need the wins anyway, since he won the chinese qualifier.
If you read the post carefully, iAsonu was not suspended for getting himself wins but for helping XY get sufficient wins on NA server to participate in wildcard qualifier (XY is not currently qualified for Challenger).
In other words, he was suspended for helping XY cheat, not for cheating for his own benefit:
While iAsonu already held WCS Challenger status, he is not indemnified and was complicit in cheating.
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Blizzard got some summer interns hard at work? As a lot have already stated, ban them map hackers first if they have the resources.
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On July 12 2014 05:02 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:32 Josh_Video wrote:On July 12 2014 04:31 LongShot27 wrote:
The worst part about this, is none of them needed to do it, All three of these players are easily challenger level players and possibly premier in their regions. Don't break the rules kids. Yeah, and IAsonu and Krr's cheating had NOTHING to do with WCS. Krr was cheating in a teamleague and IAsonu did not need the wins anyway, since he won the chinese qualifier. If you read the post carefully, iAsonu was not suspended for getting himself wins but for helping XY get sufficient wins on NA server to participate in wildcard qualifier (XY is not currently qualified for Challenger). In other words, he was suspended for helping XY cheat, not for cheating for his own benefit: Show nested quote +While iAsonu already held WCS Challenger status, he is not indemnified and was complicit in cheating.
Sorry, what I meant to say was that neither of these players cheated to get into WCS, and were disqualified for other reasons.
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On July 12 2014 04:58 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:48 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:44 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well? You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS? try to read more carefully he said sc2l I saw that, I assumed it was a typo or the l stood was "ladder", either way I don't know what it means. Whether it's a typo, ladder or league, it still doesn't make sense.
it probably stands for SC2 Improve Team League
but you are right, the rest of his post is dubious as best. the rules are clear
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Blizzard has found Krr to be in violation of the collusion and match fixing section ... iAsonu recently qualified for WCS America Season 3, and XY participated in the past WCS America events and the Americas server ladder. Players on the Americas server reported win trading between the two players
Why are these guys only suspended and not entirely excommunicated? Or will the community pretty much take care of that anyway? This is despicable.
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They're just going to ignore the Korean players who did this last season?
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On July 12 2014 05:14 Dodgin wrote:
They're just going to ignore the Korean players who did this last season?
I second that question. They should at least make a statement about that.
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On July 12 2014 05:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +Blizzard has found Krr to be in violation of the collusion and match fixing section ... iAsonu recently qualified for WCS America Season 3, and XY participated in the past WCS America events and the Americas server ladder. Players on the Americas server reported win trading between the two players Why are these guys only suspended and not entirely excommunicated? Or will the community pretty much take care of that anyway? This is despicable.
what? they traded some wins, which is bad, and suspending them for one season is an appropriate punishment.
demonizing them is not
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On July 12 2014 05:14 Dodgin wrote:
They're just going to ignore the Korean players who did this last season?
which korean players? is there any proof?
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On July 12 2014 05:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +Blizzard has found Krr to be in violation of the collusion and match fixing section ... iAsonu recently qualified for WCS America Season 3, and XY participated in the past WCS America events and the Americas server ladder. Players on the Americas server reported win trading between the two players Why are these guys only suspended and not entirely excommunicated? Or will the community pretty much take care of that anyway? This is despicable.
This the first instance of them doing this, they are being punished sufficiently for now. The second time they get caught doing this will be and should be a different story.
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On July 12 2014 04:34 Rehio wrote:Can it really be considered "Drama" when it's a professional response from a ruling authority about a violation of rules? Seems pretty standard, to me, nothing to be dramatic about. Kinda curious about the spot being freed up in WCS EU. Why add it to the wildcard qualifier and not one of the EU Qualifiers?
Standard policy for every other time someone forfeits a spot in their WCS region - the extra spot always comes from the Wildcard. Did the same with Naniwa, Hack, Byul, and the Duckdeok retirement.
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On July 12 2014 04:25 Cokefreak wrote:
Can't have a week without drama...
Fortunately, this isn't really dramatic. Three people broke the rules and were punished accordingly. While sad and disappointing for the fans, it's hardly dramatic. I think Blizzard handled this well.
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On July 12 2014 05:12 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:58 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:48 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:44 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well? You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS? try to read more carefully he said sc2l I saw that, I assumed it was a typo or the l stood was "ladder", either way I don't know what it means. Whether it's a typo, ladder or league, it still doesn't make sense. it probably stands for SC2 Improve Team League but you are right, the rest of his post is dubious as best. the rules are clear
I guess they are referring to this rule:
Collusion and Match Fixing
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Players are not allowed to intentionally alter the results of any match. If the organizer determines that a player is colluding or match fix ing, the player will be immediately disqualified and removed from the tournament and may be restricted from participating in future events.
I still don't understand where it says that the rules apply to competition that is not within the WCS system.
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On July 12 2014 05:51 xYc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:12 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:58 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:48 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:44 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well? You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS? try to read more carefully he said sc2l I saw that, I assumed it was a typo or the l stood was "ladder", either way I don't know what it means. Whether it's a typo, ladder or league, it still doesn't make sense. it probably stands for SC2 Improve Team League but you are right, the rest of his post is dubious as best. the rules are clear I guess they are referring to this rule: Show nested quote +Collusion and Match Fixing
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Players are not allowed to intentionally alter the results of any match. If the organizer determines that a player is colluding or match fix ing, the player will be immediately disqualified and removed from the tournament and may be restricted from participating in future events. I still don't understand where it says that the rules apply to competition that is not within the WCS system.
Semantics, but "any match" could be seen as implying it, though I don't know if there is anything in the rulebook that says the rules only apply to WCS events unless stated otherwise.
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I can't find anything of the sort, but that is a long manual, so it could be in there of course.
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On July 12 2014 05:51 xYc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:12 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:58 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:48 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:44 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well? You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS? try to read more carefully he said sc2l I saw that, I assumed it was a typo or the l stood was "ladder", either way I don't know what it means. Whether it's a typo, ladder or league, it still doesn't make sense. it probably stands for SC2 Improve Team League but you are right, the rest of his post is dubious as best. the rules are clear I guess they are referring to this rule: Show nested quote +Collusion and Match Fixing
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Players are not allowed to intentionally alter the results of any match. If the organizer determines that a player is colluding or match fix ing, the player will be immediately disqualified and removed from the tournament and may be restricted from participating in future events. I still don't understand where it says that the rules apply to competition that is not within the WCS system.
Krr is a participant of WCS, so I'm guessing in ANY competition he is part of, he is being kept to the WCS player code of conduct. And I'm also guessing that SC2ITL is a Blizzard sanctioned event so it can also fall under Blizzard's jurisdiction when the offender is a WCS participant. SC2ITL will likely also be handing out a punishment to Krr in terms of partaking in the SC2ITL.
edit: Blizzard is making, I think is making a clear statement, that any cheating found in any other competition will also hinder that participants chance's in WCS.
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the fuq? Why did XY win trade? Completely unnecessary for someone from iG :<
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Really stupid of XY. I wanted to see him play in WCS AM and didn't need to win trade to get there - but now he has rightfully been barred from playing this season. Good call by Blizz, but still disappointing
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I'm curious if this has even been brought to blizzard's attention
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On July 12 2014 06:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:I'm curious if this has even been brought to blizzard's attention
I wanna see the screenshots of the alleged "admin" that knew about it but didn't care.
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On July 12 2014 06:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:I'm curious if this has even been brought to blizzard's attention
Win trades were rampant for the 200 wins and I think the blizz admins were aware but didn't do anything. Even if someone can dig up match history from before and compile a report, I doubt blizz will bar those players since they didn't do it this season (and for this season Neige/Curious was only screencap of 1 game). The ruling will probably help set an example to discourage others who have win traded or plan to for next season.
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On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well?
That's the thing that worries me more, Blizzard acting like an external policing force for unrelated tournaments.
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good away with the cheaters!
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Didnt Blizzard the announcement of 200 wins only 2 weeks before the qualifiers? No wonder that some guys were shocked about it and went panic mode.
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i fear the day when Blizzard determines its not worth their valuable time to chase around these sorts of idiots and ban them.
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On July 12 2014 07:15 Dingodile wrote:
Didnt Blizzard the announcement of 200 wins only 2 weeks before the qualifiers? No wonder that some guys were shocked about it and went panic mode.
That was 2 seasons ago, and they compensated for that in Season 1 by allowing for combined win totals.
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hahaha great job blizzard
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Good, people complain about the integrity of NA ladder and having people win trading doesn't help the scene.
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On July 12 2014 07:50 OGzan wrote:
Good, people complain about the integrity of NA ladder and having people win trading doesn't help the scene.
I think Korean ladder is in shambles if you want to get technical. Silvers and golds are typically "as good" as dia/master Americas. NA doesn't exist on it's own any more, remember south, central, and north america were all merged. You should check out gold league games on KR/TW. Decision making, build execution, micro, and macro seem every bit as good as dia/master on NA. I highly doubt that it's some weird from another planet scenario where they are naturally that good as a whole, it seems much more likely off-racing pros and such.
Forgot to mention they use all of the best stuff: early oracle play, blink stalker all ins, immortal all ins, bling/ling busts, MASS muta with ling/bling play, etc.
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On July 12 2014 08:01 Socup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 07:50 OGzan wrote:
Good, people complain about the integrity of NA ladder and having people win trading doesn't help the scene. I think Korean ladder is in shambles if you want to get technical. Silvers and golds are typically "as good" as dia/master Americas. NA doesn't exist on it's own any more, remember south, central, and north america were all merged. You should check out gold league games on KR/TW. Decision making, build execution, micro, and macro seem every bit as good as dia/master on NA. I highly doubt that it's some weird from another planet scenario where they are naturally that good as a whole, it seems much more likely off-racing pros and such.
as some 1 who is diamond on kor/am/eu. i disagree with u
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On July 12 2014 08:05 KingFool wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 08:01 Socup wrote:On July 12 2014 07:50 OGzan wrote:
Good, people complain about the integrity of NA ladder and having people win trading doesn't help the scene. I think Korean ladder is in shambles if you want to get technical. Silvers and golds are typically "as good" as dia/master Americas. NA doesn't exist on it's own any more, remember south, central, and north america were all merged. You should check out gold league games on KR/TW. Decision making, build execution, micro, and macro seem every bit as good as dia/master on NA. I highly doubt that it's some weird from another planet scenario where they are naturally that good as a whole, it seems much more likely off-racing pros and such. as some 1 who is diamond on kor/am/eu. i disagree with u
As some1 who is master Amer, diam eu, and diam kor, I disagree with your disagreement. Gold level play is dozens of leagues below the same gold in KR/TW
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On July 12 2014 08:08 Socup wrote:
As some1 who is master Amer, diam eu, and diam kor, I disagree with your disagreement. Gold level play is dozens of leagues below the same gold in KR/TW
"Silvers and golds are typically "as good" as dia/master Americas"
"except when its me" ?
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Listen, when I climbed up from silver in KR, there were some people who were what you'd expect. Bad macro, all in, no real skill after the deadly build order push. However there's another group of gold/low plat players. People who's macro is what you see in pro games, who's upgrades and decisions are "pro status".
You obviously don't play very much KR ladder.
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On July 12 2014 08:24 Socup wrote:
Listen, when I climbed up from silver in KR, there were some people who were what you'd expect. Bad macro, all in, no real skill after the deadly build order push. However there's another group of gold/low plat players. People who's macro is what you see in pro games, who's upgrades and decisions are "pro status".
You obviously don't play very much KR ladder.
If their macro, upgrades, and decisions are pro status, then why in the world would they be stuck in gold or platinum?!
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On July 12 2014 08:27 Insane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 08:24 Socup wrote:
Listen, when I climbed up from silver in KR, there were some people who were what you'd expect. Bad macro, all in, no real skill after the deadly build order push. However there's another group of gold/low plat players. People who's macro is what you see in pro games, who's upgrades and decisions are "pro status".
You obviously don't play very much KR ladder. If their macro, upgrades, and decisions are pro status, then why in the world would they be stuck in gold or platinum?!
You tell me when Zergs have 3-3 maxed armies with ultras at 18-20 minutes in gold.
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On July 12 2014 06:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:I'm curious if this has even been brought to blizzard's attention
It would be nice to know the scale as well. "Win trading" by itself doesn't tell you how bad it is. Giving someone 2 wins like the screenshot is technically cheating but it's arguably not a significant number to reach 200 wins and someone could plausibly defend themselves that they had internet problems or something.
I could sort of see how Blizzard doesn't want to draw a bright line to encourage a certain amount of cheating, something like saying trading 8 wins is okay but 9 wins results in punishment. It is probably the case that iAsonu and XY traded a number over a short period of time that is indefensible.
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On July 12 2014 08:40 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 06:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:I'm curious if this has even been brought to blizzard's attention It would be nice to know the scale as well. "Win trading" by itself doesn't tell you how bad it is. Giving someone 2 wins like the screenshot is technically cheating but it's arguably not a significant number to reach 200 wins and someone could plausibly defend themselves that they had internet problems or something. I could sort of see how Blizzard doesn't want to draw a bright line to encourage a certain amount of cheating, something like saying trading 8 wins is okay but 9 wins results in punishment. It is probably the case that iAsonu and XY traded a number over a short period of time that is indefensible.
Common sense would say the bright line is at one, but unless people are watching players for their intent, disconnects would be very ambiguous.
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On July 12 2014 08:34 Socup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 08:27 Insane wrote:On July 12 2014 08:24 Socup wrote:
Listen, when I climbed up from silver in KR, there were some people who were what you'd expect. Bad macro, all in, no real skill after the deadly build order push. However there's another group of gold/low plat players. People who's macro is what you see in pro games, who's upgrades and decisions are "pro status".
You obviously don't play very much KR ladder. If their macro, upgrades, and decisions are pro status, then why in the world would they be stuck in gold or platinum?! You tell me when Zergs have 3-3 maxed armies with ultras at 18-20 minutes in gold.
Happens too on EU.
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On July 12 2014 08:52 Socup wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 08:40 coverpunch wrote:On July 12 2014 06:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:I'm curious if this has even been brought to blizzard's attention It would be nice to know the scale as well. "Win trading" by itself doesn't tell you how bad it is. Giving someone 2 wins like the screenshot is technically cheating but it's arguably not a significant number to reach 200 wins and someone could plausibly defend themselves that they had internet problems or something. I could sort of see how Blizzard doesn't want to draw a bright line to encourage a certain amount of cheating, something like saying trading 8 wins is okay but 9 wins results in punishment. It is probably the case that iAsonu and XY traded a number over a short period of time that is indefensible. Common sense would say the bright line is at one, but unless people are watching players for their intent, disconnects would be very ambiguous.
Yeah, you can't tell the difference between a disconnect and win trading from any given game, unless people are dumb enough to chat "hey give me a win" and the other person promptly loses a game. Even if the same two players play 2, 3, even arguably 5 or 7 times and one player insta-disconnects and loses the games, that could be a gray area. Like I said, there's a number where it's indefensible. If someone loses 30 games to the same player where they are all insta-wins, obviously they're cheating.
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On July 12 2014 04:34 lantz wrote:
wow Blizzard woke up ?? Good news they will ban all maphackers tomorrow !!
Blizzard has not been able to ban map hackers for 5 years, I doubt they are going to start now, they can't even get rid of the external map hacks that been out on sc2 for 3 years, they tried sueing the hack creators but failed hard. lol.
Blizzard going after WCS chinese players and EU players now. Glad they are catching minor stuff like this but yeah.....They won't stop the mass hackers unless they hire a engineer to play cat and mouse with them, Blizzard to cheap to do that tho, they have the money and power to stop map hackers, they simply don't do it.
Even the hackers said Blizzard can get rid of them easily with a security engineer.
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This seems rather inconsistent. When they go after the Koreans or more well known players for win trading in order to qualify for the absurd requirement of 200 wins 2 weeks beforehand then Blizzard is serious about it.
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Lol Blizzard... I guess the Korean market is more important?
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On July 12 2014 10:03 geokilla wrote:Lol Blizzard... I guess the Korean market is more important?
Well, technically there is no proof since none of the players admitted doing it and the extend of game trading is also unkown, however I do think that Blizz should investigate it. :-/
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huge for ty and iasonu
On July 12 2014 15:13 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 10:03 geokilla wrote:Lol Blizzard... I guess the Korean market is more important? Well, technically there is no proof since none of the players admitted doing it and the extend of game trading is also unkown, however I do think that Blizz should investigate it. :-/
perhaps they already do or did but yet not enough proofs
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On July 12 2014 06:04 superpanda27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:51 xYc wrote:On July 12 2014 05:12 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:58 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:48 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:44 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well? You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS? try to read more carefully he said sc2l I saw that, I assumed it was a typo or the l stood was "ladder", either way I don't know what it means. Whether it's a typo, ladder or league, it still doesn't make sense. it probably stands for SC2 Improve Team League but you are right, the rest of his post is dubious as best. the rules are clear I guess they are referring to this rule: Collusion and Match Fixing
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Players are not allowed to intentionally alter the results of any match. If the organizer determines that a player is colluding or match fix ing, the player will be immediately disqualified and removed from the tournament and may be restricted from participating in future events. I still don't understand where it says that the rules apply to competition that is not within the WCS system. Krr is a participant of WCS, so I'm guessing in ANY competition he is part of, he is being kept to the WCS player code of conduct. And I'm also guessing that SC2ITL is a Blizzard sanctioned event so it can also fall under Blizzard's jurisdiction when the offender is a WCS participant. SC2ITL will likely also be handing out a punishment to Krr in terms of partaking in the SC2ITL. edit: Blizzard is making, I think is making a clear statement, that any cheating found in any other competition will also hinder that participants chance's in WCS.
I banned both Krr and KensShow (the player he was playing as for another team) from all future SC2Improve events (SC2ITL & our individual leagues). Had no idea it would blow up to be this big and he would be punished in WCS too. It was pretty serious though - he had been playing for this other player and I assume being paid for it for numerous months in numerous competitions/cups. It was a lot more than just a one off.
At least he will be able to recover from a one season ban, though it is bad timing for him as he just had his best performance yet last season.
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On July 12 2014 17:06 Drake wrote:huge for ty and iasonu Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 15:13 JustPassingBy wrote:On July 12 2014 10:03 geokilla wrote:Lol Blizzard... I guess the Korean market is more important? Well, technically there is no proof since none of the players admitted doing it and the extend of game trading is also unkown, however I do think that Blizz should investigate it. :-/ perhaps they already do or did but yet not enough proofs
Then they should release a statement like, "oh that one screenshot was most likely just an unlucky dc, we checked their match history and could not find any hints of win trading".
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Kim Phan please be my waifu :3
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yeah ban the win traders and not the maphackers.
this shit is making me more sure that i will never play sc2 again.
goodbye
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On July 12 2014 19:01 AyaaLa wrote:
yeah ban the win traders and not the maphackers.
this shit is making me more sure that i will never play sc2 again.
goodbye
they dont fix any of the issues at hand...
the entire ladder is fucked, the new maps are fucked, the widow mine buff is fucked, hackers everywhere.. everything is fucked...
Blizzard are necrophiliacs, they are FUCKING a DEAD GAME
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On July 12 2014 19:01 AyaaLa wrote:
yeah ban the win traders and not the maphackers.
this shit is making me more sure that i will never play sc2 again.
goodbye
Even if you think Blizzard should do more about maphacking, why would it be okay to let win trading go unpunished? Especially, when the incident concerns WCS players. This kind of argument does not make any sense to me.
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Be real here. Many many players do such stuff, those just happened to be caught.
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On July 12 2014 17:26 Wardi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 06:04 superpanda27 wrote:On July 12 2014 05:51 xYc wrote:On July 12 2014 05:12 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:58 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:48 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:44 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well? You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS? try to read more carefully he said sc2l I saw that, I assumed it was a typo or the l stood was "ladder", either way I don't know what it means. Whether it's a typo, ladder or league, it still doesn't make sense. it probably stands for SC2 Improve Team League but you are right, the rest of his post is dubious as best. the rules are clear I guess they are referring to this rule: Collusion and Match Fixing
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Players are not allowed to intentionally alter the results of any match. If the organizer determines that a player is colluding or match fix ing, the player will be immediately disqualified and removed from the tournament and may be restricted from participating in future events. I still don't understand where it says that the rules apply to competition that is not within the WCS system. Krr is a participant of WCS, so I'm guessing in ANY competition he is part of, he is being kept to the WCS player code of conduct. And I'm also guessing that SC2ITL is a Blizzard sanctioned event so it can also fall under Blizzard's jurisdiction when the offender is a WCS participant. SC2ITL will likely also be handing out a punishment to Krr in terms of partaking in the SC2ITL. edit: Blizzard is making, I think is making a clear statement, that any cheating found in any other competition will also hinder that participants chance's in WCS. I banned both Krr and KensShow (the player he was playing as for another team) from all future SC2Improve events (SC2ITL & our individual leagues). Had no idea it would blow up to be this big and he would be punished in WCS too. It was pretty serious though - he had been playing for this other player and I assume being paid for it for numerous months in numerous competitions/cups. It was a lot more than just a one off. At least he will be able to recover from a one season ban, though it is bad timing for him as he just had his best performance yet last season.
You have no proof of that, and assumptions when talking about player's career is just ridiculous.
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On July 12 2014 19:48 Sakkreth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 17:26 Wardi wrote:On July 12 2014 06:04 superpanda27 wrote:On July 12 2014 05:51 xYc wrote:On July 12 2014 05:12 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:58 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:48 Paljas wrote:On July 12 2014 04:44 Zenbrez wrote:On July 12 2014 04:41 xYc wrote:
Don't really understand, what SC2I has to do with WCS. Not that I like matchfixing, but can the rules be applied to unrelated competitions? Could they be applied to ... don't know ... Hearthstone cheating as well? You don't understand what sc2 has to do with WCS? try to read more carefully he said sc2l I saw that, I assumed it was a typo or the l stood was "ladder", either way I don't know what it means. Whether it's a typo, ladder or league, it still doesn't make sense. it probably stands for SC2 Improve Team League but you are right, the rest of his post is dubious as best. the rules are clear I guess they are referring to this rule: Collusion and Match Fixing
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Players are not allowed to intentionally alter the results of any match. If the organizer determines that a player is colluding or match fix ing, the player will be immediately disqualified and removed from the tournament and may be restricted from participating in future events. I still don't understand where it says that the rules apply to competition that is not within the WCS system. Krr is a participant of WCS, so I'm guessing in ANY competition he is part of, he is being kept to the WCS player code of conduct. And I'm also guessing that SC2ITL is a Blizzard sanctioned event so it can also fall under Blizzard's jurisdiction when the offender is a WCS participant. SC2ITL will likely also be handing out a punishment to Krr in terms of partaking in the SC2ITL. edit: Blizzard is making, I think is making a clear statement, that any cheating found in any other competition will also hinder that participants chance's in WCS. I banned both Krr and KensShow (the player he was playing as for another team) from all future SC2Improve events (SC2ITL & our individual leagues). Had no idea it would blow up to be this big and he would be punished in WCS too. It was pretty serious though - he had been playing for this other player and I assume being paid for it for numerous months in numerous competitions/cups. It was a lot more than just a one off. At least he will be able to recover from a one season ban, though it is bad timing for him as he just had his best performance yet last season. You have no proof of that, and assumptions when talking about player's career is just ridiculous.
We do, we have replays over numerous tournaments showing the same hotkeys etc and he admitted to it afterwards.The assumption was that he was getting some portion of KensShows pay, which is pretty likely because why else would he do it?
Edit : My original phrasing was bad I should have said : He had been playing for this other player for numerous months in numerous competitions/cups and I assume he was taking a share of the other players salary from his team when playing in Clan Wars etc.
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On July 12 2014 19:01 AyaaLa wrote:
yeah ban the win traders and not the maphackers.
this shit is making me more sure that i will never play sc2 again.
goodbye
There ware no maphackers in WCS. I'm sure, if a WCS player would be map hacking, he would get a far more severe punishment. Or when was the last time, you heard of Spades or Daisuki?
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Before the incident, I used to be a Krr fan. But now, me and my team are really glad for this decision. It really shows that no matter how small the competitive league one played in and cheated, the community and Blizzard sees this and takes appropriate measures. Bans should apply more frequent on the Battle.net ladder system as well.
Team Spectre played against Krr in the SC2ITL Season 2 and we had no clue about him being under the identity of KensShow. The 4-0 loss lowered our moral a bit and I would say it even played a small snowball effect for the future clanwars. GG for Krr, but we played against another man, from another team. This can very well happen in the WCS, because a man of that age is very less likely to change. Maybe in the future he will, but no guarantee even about that.
It's really important that all players of StarCraft2 to follow some basic manner rules and show competitive attitude, if we want to make the best out of this game in the future as well.
Thanks,
Mihai "Ancestor" Traistaru
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If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
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I didn't read the whole thread, and I don't know much about the story but it was quite frequent that 2 players of the same team don't play each other on ladder.
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On July 12 2014 15:13 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 10:03 geokilla wrote:Lol Blizzard... I guess the Korean market is more important? Well, technically there is no proof since none of the players admitted doing it and the extend of game trading is also unkown, however I do think that Blizz should investigate it. :-/
Its entirely possible blizz cant do a thing about it from a legal standpoint, being that KR is another country. Also, why would anyone want blizz to be the police force for tournaments?
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can blizzard prevent win trading? i mean they have so many ways to enforce anything they've implemented, i found it hard to believe that they cannot find a way to get rid of win trading...
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Good decision and appropriate response. Glad that Blizzard didn't blow this off simply because none of these players have a shot at making Blizzcon
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On July 13 2014 03:33 Advantageous wrote:
can blizzard prevent win trading? i mean they have so many ways to enforce anything they've implemented, i found it hard to believe that they cannot find a way to get rid of win trading...
How would they do it? there's only 200 people in GM, so you are sure to hit the same player at least a few times, even just from watching streams, you see some people with similar MMR get matched up multiple times in a row. Its not like the ladder looks at players and thinks "Hmm they are on the same team, better not let them play each other." and that wouldn't even work because they can just win-trade with people who aren't on their team, ie; JYP and Daisy.
The only way they could prevent win-trading is not letting people play each other multiple times, but with only 200 people in GM, they would fuck the ladder system so hard that it is unreasonable.
Also, Blizzard is already doing something about win-trading, they are banning people who do it from the biggest SC2 tournaments if they decide to do it and get caught.
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i thought they (the players) would be smarter after the ban of dimaga in the past
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I don't even know who any of them are.
Guys, if you need to cheat to get anywhere in this game, you should retire instead and get a real job.
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Kids gotta learn that cheating is used in many other sports, but this one isn't one of them. Hopefully these guys learn from their mistakes and return with a clean slate and a better mind.
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On July 13 2014 06:03 Magggrig wrote:
What did Krr do ?
In a clan war he played on his account and another account so he could play twice.
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On July 13 2014 10:20 ZAiNs wrote:In a clan war he played on his account and another account so he could play twice.
He actually played for another player (KensShow) and for his team in numerous individual tournaments & team leagues as well as himself for his team.
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On July 12 2014 04:32 Josh_Video wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:31 LongShot27 wrote:
The worst part about this, is none of them needed to do it, All three of these players are easily challenger level players and possibly premier in their regions. Don't break the rules kids. Yeah, and IAsonu and Krr's cheating had NOTHING to do with WCS. Krr was cheating in a teamleague and IAsonu did not need the wins anyway, since he won the chinese qualifier.
iAsonu was helping XY win, I thought? That is why his was WCS related.
I am glad Blizzard came out and took a stance against this, and are encouraging the players to play on the NA latter in a legitimate manner.
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On July 14 2014 10:03 Holytornados wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 04:32 Josh_Video wrote:On July 12 2014 04:31 LongShot27 wrote:
The worst part about this, is none of them needed to do it, All three of these players are easily challenger level players and possibly premier in their regions. Don't break the rules kids. Yeah, and IAsonu and Krr's cheating had NOTHING to do with WCS. Krr was cheating in a teamleague and IAsonu did not need the wins anyway, since he won the chinese qualifier. iAsonu was helping XY win, I thought? That is why his was WCS related. I am glad Blizzard came out and took a stance against this, and are encouraging the players to play on the NA latter in a legitimate manner.
On July 12 2014 05:12 Josh_Video wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:02 Yakikorosu wrote:On July 12 2014 04:32 Josh_Video wrote:On July 12 2014 04:31 LongShot27 wrote:
The worst part about this, is none of them needed to do it, All three of these players are easily challenger level players and possibly premier in their regions. Don't break the rules kids. Yeah, and IAsonu and Krr's cheating had NOTHING to do with WCS. Krr was cheating in a teamleague and IAsonu did not need the wins anyway, since he won the chinese qualifier. If you read the post carefully, iAsonu was not suspended for getting himself wins but for helping XY get sufficient wins on NA server to participate in wildcard qualifier (XY is not currently qualified for Challenger). In other words, he was suspended for helping XY cheat, not for cheating for his own benefit: While iAsonu already held WCS Challenger status, he is not indemnified and was complicit in cheating. Sorry, what I meant to say was that neither of these players cheated to get into WCS, and were disqualified for other reasons.
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So does this mean they will suspend JYP Daisy and Check for wintrading aswell?
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Get WCS points or get banned tryin'
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On July 13 2014 04:13 Josh_Video wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2014 03:33 Advantageous wrote:
can blizzard prevent win trading? i mean they have so many ways to enforce anything they've implemented, i found it hard to believe that they cannot find a way to get rid of win trading... How would they do it? there's only 200 people in GM, so you are sure to hit the same player at least a few times, even just from watching streams, you see some people with similar MMR get matched up multiple times in a row. Its not like the ladder looks at players and thinks "Hmm they are on the same team, better not let them play each other." and that wouldn't even work because they can just win-trade with people who aren't on their team, ie; JYP and Daisy. The only way they could prevent win-trading is not letting people play each other multiple times, but with only 200 people in GM, they would fuck the ladder system so hard that it is unreasonable. Also, Blizzard is already doing something about win-trading, they are banning people who do it from the biggest SC2 tournaments if they decide to do it and get caught.
Well, apparently there was some obvious win-trading going on, in which the player immediately left at the beginning of the game. Something like that you can catch easily.
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On July 15 2014 22:30 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
So does this mean they will suspend JYP Daisy and Check for wintrading aswell?
they wintraded?
well it doesnt apply to koreans anyway probably...?...
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