Pro Opinions: Proposed Terran Buffs - Page 3

5) Ravens are not an issue - please pros/noobs alike stop trying to circle jerk more Terran nerfs. There is already a counter to mass viking/raven lategame from Zerg called mass vipers. I'm talking about 10+ vipers with infestors for fungals, which is the equivalent of viking/raven but no Zerg does this yet. The answer is already there, it's just not practiced at all. Please, no more Terran nerfing, not to mention the raven is the only lategame unit Terran has right now compared to Z/P tier3.

On July 06 2014 06:31 Hider wrote:


Ideally, you would want to redesign larger parts of the game, but let's wait for LOTV with that. Below is my suggestions for next patch notes;


- PDD nerfed
- Siege Tanks damage vs shield increased by 10-15 (ignores hardened shield)
- Drilling Claws also reduces unsige duration by 50% (allows tanks to be used more offensively vs zerg
- Ghost cost reduced from 200/100 to 150/100. BT reduced from 40 to 35
- When you target fire with Widow Mines, the 1.5 second timer doesn't reset and/or Widow Mine splash AOE increased
- Lower duration on Viking transformation (why not... everyone wants to see this one I believe).

Effect of the changes:
Should be quite effective at making mech alot better vs toss. Bio will be buffed a bit late game vs toss. Widow Mines will be better which means zergs need to micro more during engagements vs terran, and aggressive usesage of Siege Tanks are buffed as well. With a nerf to PDD; we also get rid of some of the dumb turtlemech games, which will make Avilo sad, but most other people will enjoy it as it means that "actual" mech can be buffed.



Well to be fair, while I really like the Hellbat change for TvT (and TvP I guess), I think it did a terrible job at adressing the more important issues of the game. Before the patch was launched, I warned against it as I pointed out that terran early game vs Zerg was it's strongest phase in the game already as it had map control and could pressure the zerg well. David Kims balance-logic was that a small buff early game to terran could force the zerg to have less drones going in the midgame --> Later game nerf to zerg.
However, buffing the options of the race that already has map control is in the early game a lot more likely to snowball situations than adressing midgame/later game balance issues. Especially since Hellbat openings really aren't solid, but more build-order win based. Over the last week I have done a lot of 2base Hellbat timings and I feel extremely dirty (almost like a protoss player) as there really isn't that much micro/multitasking to it, but it often happen that you get lucky and the zerg player guesses wrong (since he can't tell whether it's banshees or hellbats when Marines deny Overlord scouting).
In my opinion Transformation cost should simply have been reduced to 50/50 instead (since the cost indeed was overpriced at 150/150).

So buffing a race that is fine early game to adress a midgame issue is a nono and I am surprised David Kim hasn't learned that yet after years of experience. Instead, it simply always made more sense to (partially) revert Widow Mine nerf as creates more micro-interactions by forcing the zerg to micro more during engagements. A widow Mine buff both buffs terran in the mid and late game vs zerg which is needed becasue right now terran has a very difficult time moving out on the map/pushing creep back/pressuring 4ths/5ths if he didn't do a lot of damage in the early game. A stronger Widow Mine could help with that and then in the later game, better Tanks could help with mass amounts of Banelings

On July 06 2014 07:56 avilo wrote:


In the current metagame, bio is absolutely terrible if you play a really good defensive Zerg that knows to accumulate mass mutas and then mass banelings (30+ banes). Mech is a stronger lategame army than bio, and since a Zerg is going to basically force you to lategame...they just need to revert the mine nerf so bio has splash damage involved again.

On July 06 2014 08:13 WonDeRSC wrote:
I liked Xeno's answers. I think that finding a solution for mass banes and mass muta is the correct answer.
I also like Qxc's suggestion to make creep recede faster. This will allow a more long lasting effect of properly pushing creep back.
I don't know how tanks will affect TvZ, but I really hope for no mech buffs in TvT.

On July 06 2014 08:16 SirPinky wrote:


I remember there was a Blizzard test map to play around with creep tumor energy cost from the queen to help in reducing creep spread. I think it was actually at the end of WoL with the horrible state of Terran (go figure we are in the same place again). I don't know why they didn't implement it.

On July 06 2014 08:14 diverzee wrote:
While Korean opinions are perhaps more important, reading these foreigners' answers is more interesting. Koreans seem to mostly act like Nerchio here, whine, and never admit their advantages, and don't seem to put much effort in their answers (which is perhaps a consequence of translation). Look at the effort Snute and Xenocider put into their answers. Super interesting!

On July 06 2014 08:18 TheDwf wrote:

Mvp won sLivko, Vortix and Nerchio so all was fine.

On July 06 2014 07:49 Hider wrote:
I think the extra shield damage and ignore hardened shields ideas sound like *sspulls and change the game more than its acceptable.

Well removal of hardned shield does as it affects Roaches vs Immortals as well + Maurauder vs Immortals, but Tank bonus vs shield buffs tanks vs protoss which could shake up the meta. But isn't that exactly what we want?