Terran Buffs - Balance Testing Soon - July 1 - Page 49

On July 04 2014 00:58 johnbongham wrote:


A medivac upgrade that is unlockable with a fusion core that allows for an increased healing rate sounds pretty nice.

On July 04 2014 00:22 Big J wrote:
Anybody having any interesting idea about a lategame buff for Terran that helps with both Protoss, can be transitioned into from bio vs Zerg but doesn't add even more power to the mass raven mech vs Zerg and hopefully doesn't break TvT?

On July 03 2014 23:46 codonbyte wrote:

Technically each attack did 5 damage to mutas, but there are two attacks. Weapon upgrades were +1/+2vs armored, so vs mutas the weapon upgrades would get cancelled out by armor upgrades.

10 damage, not even as much damage as two marines, was really nothing special, especially considering the goliath's longer cooldown. Maybe "shitty" was too strong of a word, though.

On July 04 2014 01:32 _Epi_ wrote:


TheDwf do you think its able to make a test map with those suggestions?

On July 04 2014 00:22 Big J wrote:
Anybody having any interesting idea about a lategame buff for Terran that helps with both Protoss, can be transitioned into from bio vs Zerg but doesn't add even more power to the mass raven mech vs Zerg and hopefully doesn't break TvT?

On July 04 2014 01:14 TheDwf wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/460770-terran-buffs-balance-testing-soon-july-1?page=34#675

I think my propositions about Reapers, Ghosts and Nukes falls under that category.

On July 04 2014 01:34 TheDwf wrote:

Personally I have no skill whatsoever in map making, but if someone wants to do it, no problem.

On July 04 2014 01:58 Superbanana wrote:

I mentioned it before but here it goes:
1- Viking damage buff to help with colossi
2 - Ghost academy build time and cost reduction to make ghost transition faster and easier to include in terran builds.
3 - Thor move speed buff, together with better vikes provides a better answer vs mass mutas.
In TvZ bio terrans are transitioning to triple factory, choosing between hellbat or mine, and adding a few thors vs mass muta. With hellbats pushes terrans are also building the armory sooner so a thor buff sounds helpful. For mech maybe an infestor buff can balance things out (but not insta fungal).
For TvP the proposition is to allow terran to react faster to templars and more efficiently to colossi.
Also make sure to not propose things that help terran but breaks ZvP.

On July 04 2014 02:02 cheekymonkey wrote:
it's funny to think of that a lot of people voted no to both

On July 04 2014 02:04 Big J wrote:


hm, do the reaper and nuke changes actually do something useful?

The reaper would be kind of the nitro-WoL reaper with regen then, right? Is that of any use in the lategame?

The nuke changes sounds like a fancy thing that would exclusicely help after the Terran gets in a stalemate position. Hardly anything of value imo. I guess it would help Mech vs static defenses in the endgame, but that's where I don't think T needs help.

Ghost could work and I guess it is the perfect unit for the job. Though personally I don't like that particular suggestion. Like fungal, snipe shouldn't be balanced around damage values I think. It's a little too much of a "you are in range, I click and win"-thing imo, if it is applyable against a broad variety of units.
Given that blizzard won't redesign snipe in some skillshot or whatever ability with higher damage, what about just making ghosts better combatants? Like plain damage value and/or cost buffs? (e.g. damage from 10+10 to 20)

On July 04 2014 02:35 Tsubbi wrote:
also dwf suggestions were quite good imo until i realized he wanted to implement all of them haha

On July 04 2014 02:02 cheekymonkey wrote:
it's funny to think of that a lot of people voted no to both

On July 04 2014 02:38 TheDwf wrote:

Haha, it's funny because the first reaction I had from a Protoss poster was that my upgrade giving back WoL-like Reapers would result in something... too strong! Obviously those changes are not a massive upheaval, but yes I do think they would help filling various holes in lategame bio play.


Well, the uses could/would be:
- dealing with Zealots/DTs raids;
- secure an expand against Warpgate harass;
- clear proxy Pylons on the map;
- having the possibility to harass expands without committing Medivacs. Depending on the map you might even have access to some technology buildings;
- possibly snipe Templar flanks.


The Nuke is already used by some players like Happy or MMA in lategame TvP, so I'm sure it wouldn't be only a gimmick. One of Terran's problems in lategame bio is to be able to damage Zerg and Protoss' economy and/or to keep enough initiative to slowly build a better army (e. g. more Ghosts/Vikings in TvP, more Marauders/Thors in TvZ, etc.), and better nukes would help with both. I also changed the gas cost to 150 so bio play can use the almost inevitable gas bank, plus that way it would have worse synergy with mech.


Well, since broods are no longer the core Hive unit against Terran, I don't think a Snipe buff would turn lategame into a click contest. In TvP it would be nice to have the option to use Ghosts' remaining energy to dispose of Zealots faster and/or kill them while they're being warped nearby. In TvZ, I'm not convinced there would be more than minor uses for Snipe. Maybe on mutas.

For your propositions (lesser cost and/or more damage to non-Light targets), why not but have fun trying to convince Protoss players.


Never said that.

On July 04 2014 02:16 Big J wrote:


Well, 1 would be problematic in general I think. Vikings are pretty good against various things and very standard in TvT and Mech vs Z play. I think that has quite some potential to break something.
And with 2, I think Terrans aren't really struggling with the reaction time to HTs.
In general 1+2 don't seem like problems too me to be honest. I think Terran can react to Colossi and HTs very well and do some pretty strong midgame pushes at the time when the Protoss builds either of those units. I think Terran rather has troubles when they should take it to the lategame and they know both - Colossi and Templar - are there (amongst other things) but have a hard time fielding something that Colossi/Templar aren't marvelous against.

I have heard 3 before. I think this could be handy for lategame bio (thinking about a buff to 2.25), though I doubt it would really help too much with mutalisks unless you buff the Thor to something fast like 2.75. Which I believe is broken, especially with Mech.

On July 02 2014 02:09 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
"Let's buff the two most annoying Terran units, and do nothing to promote other styles of play."

Ok.

On July 04 2014 02:42 eightym wrote:


I'm a terran and I voted no for the medivacs. That idea is just stupid. I feel it will considerably reduce the viability of mech in TvT.

I almost voted no for the mine because I don't want Blizzard thinking that's a sufficient buff.

Blizzard only updates the game once a year and they don't fix their mistakes. The last thing I want is a meaningless buff.