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On June 30 2014 06:26 fishjie wrote:
why are people complaining about this article? The facts are indisputable. Terran suck right now. The GSL, the highest level of play, is direct proof. Just like back in the day, zerg was completely OP at the end of WOL. Whenever it was pointed out, people reacted viciously even though the evidence was incontrovertible. Back then, even foreign zergs could beat korean pros on a semi regular basis. yet nobody wanted to believe it and kept making excuses.
My worst memory is Goswer (who back then was like the 10th best NA zerg) won 3-0 against MVP. At least it isn't that bad yet. I mean we are not seeing random GM zergs beating top korean terrans.
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This post is trash <-- coming from a Terran user. Does not belong on TL - take to Bnet forums please.
User was warned for this post
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Only Abomb winning against Bbyong haha :p
Jokes aside, Goswser was way better than 'top 10 NA zerg' and had some solid result in early hots as well (top 4 finish at DH valencia 2013 i believe and top8 at the asus following the dh? )
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On June 30 2014 06:04 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 05:45 cloneThorN wrote:On June 30 2014 05:41 y0su wrote:On June 30 2014 05:31 cloneThorN wrote:On June 30 2014 05:27 Kevn23 wrote:
How about discuss the issues being presented in the article rather than why this is posted people. When you are intentionally offending 2/3 of your readers in a post, then ofc people wil be upset. what specifically did you find offensive? (quote and context please) " What's more, with Hive being unlocked earlier, the Ultralisk now commonly appears on the field. Supreme winner in the contest of mindless beefy a-click units" "soO a-moves a bunch of ultras offcreep, with Queens and out of mana Infestors lagging behind; several screens of hit & run later, 2 ultras fell for 70 supply of bio. Zerg's micro requirements in this sequence? Null: hands lifted from keyboard would have made literally no difference. " "Lategame is the phase in which this disparity is the most blatant. Something goes dramatically wrong for Zerg? Don't panic, for the great forgiveness of an immediate buyback is there: as long as resources are available, the legion of larvae awaiting near the hatches can be mobilized at once to raise a new army of mass lings and a few ultras; and voilà, you have your second chance. " " Illustration with TaeJa vs Snute: reaching lategame, Snute builds the money composition of 30 mutas, a few ultras… and 66 banes, i.e. more banes than TaeJa has Marines. It goes without saying that TaeJa, despite no splitting mistake, fighting offcreep and 60 supply of mutas peacefully snoring nearby, gets absolutely annihilated. Maru suffered a similar fate when Symbol a-moved 77 Banelings to his 70 Marines. At this point, Zerg can almost alt-tab and browse Twitter if he fancies; " Just to pick a few.... Why is it insulting to say that Ultras or Banes need very little micro at the point where bane numbers = marine numbers? Or that late game production is drastically different for the 3 races (specifically slower and more expensive for Terran)? The point was not about Zerg (or Protoss) player micro abilities. The unit designs/interaction ( specifically in Z/P v T) do not benefit much from micro (partially because of stimmed bio). The point was that Terran lacks something to force Zerg to micro.
Well, considering i was banned for saying "i'm disgusted by FF" it seems kind of odd that someone can discredit top P/Z players and nothing happens. his statements are not even passive aggressive, they are simply insulting. if you have as many thors as lings, its gonna go pretty good for the thors as well. the question is, what happened before? what allowed zerg to get out as many banes as marines and so on...
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On June 30 2014 06:06 ShoCkSC2 wrote:
I find it quite interesting how everyone here is talking about the fact that its an editorial which is why it obviously reflects subjectivity but noone adresses the way he is being biased.
He's not just "biased". Hes actually discrediting. Thats what I was talking about earlier. A little bias here and there - whatever man.
My point is, the article is huge, looks professional and probably took a shitton of work.
Why the hell would you ruin that with retarded statements (Even tho hes backing up most of them with "facts") like "all it took was aclick for X protoss to beat Y Top3-in-the-world Terran". That stuff just annoys me if I think about how hard it actually is to play this game, not just for Terrans.
To me that kinda feels like "Hey, look, im terran so even tho im on x level, im actually 10 times better than you think because Terran is so much harder than anything else on this planet!"
Yeh I agree here. I actually don't think the author intended it to originally be that way, but the more he researched, the more VODs he found and the more statistics he looked up, he simply became more and more frustrated about the state of the game and took out his frustrations on the article. That was definitely a mistake in my opinion. Everyone knows your supposed to get rid of your frustrations on the ladder 
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On June 30 2014 06:32 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 06:26 fishjie wrote:
why are people complaining about this article? The facts are indisputable. Terran suck right now. The GSL, the highest level of play, is direct proof. Just like back in the day, zerg was completely OP at the end of WOL. Whenever it was pointed out, people reacted viciously even though the evidence was incontrovertible. Back then, even foreign zergs could beat korean pros on a semi regular basis. yet nobody wanted to believe it and kept making excuses. My worst memory is Goswer (who back then was like the 10th best NA zerg) won 3-0 against MVP. At least it isn't that bad yet. I mean we are not seeing random GM zergs beating top korean terrans.
This match is different. Goswser studied Mvp builds for hours .
The first game on Ohana is a masterpiece of how to study your opponent.
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On June 30 2014 06:17 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 06:00 goofyballer wrote:On June 30 2014 05:24 Faust852 wrote:On June 30 2014 05:22 cloneThorN wrote:On June 30 2014 05:17 Zealously wrote:On June 30 2014 05:03 ZAiNs wrote:On June 30 2014 05:02 goofyballer wrote:
How is it that a site which usually moderates balance whining pretty heavily could allow an article to be published that spends thousands of words crying about how unfair Blizzard is to one race? Apparently it's all fine if you say "Note: This is an editorial. The opinions expressed by this article do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff (other than TheDwf)." No, it's "all fine" if you put weeks of work into your post and back your claims up by several dozen examples and considerable expertise. So if IdrA/Avilo/CombatEX put weeks worth of effort to make a post, and back their claims up with statistics and example they themself picked, then it would be ok too, to make a balance thread? Because i'm pretty sure, that each of those players could make an article similar to this, and make it so that their race looked weaker. I bet you 10$ you won't find half the content to proove a point in favor of P or Z underpowered as DwF did for T. There is so much replays/vod/other exemple it's enough to provide a point imho. Ten dollars? Oh wow, what great inspiration to spend hours and hours of my time writing thousands of words of balance whine, to be able to purchase ten junior bacon cheeseburgers when I'm done. You must be a professional Terran player to be this broke. I could say one thousand it wouldn't change anything since I'm 100% sure there is not enough content to make a counter article this detailed.
It would be very easy to make such a counter article if I was allowed to make up bullshit at the rate the OP has done so.
Let's look at this, for example:
On June 29 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:
Yet was Terran struggling on Whirlwind at the beginning of HotS? Is it because of the new maps Terran no longer had any form of AoE properly working so their armies were repeatedly wiped out by mass banes regardless of how well splits were performed?
OP is basically making the argument that MMMM - with post-nerf widow mines - is worse than MMM from WoL. How often did you see the best Terrans in Wings of Liberty cry about mass baneling and how powerless they were to do anything about it? And Blizzard, in HotS, gives them even better tools to deal with banelings:
- siege tanks buffed, multiple times - no siege mode research, faster fire rate
- widow mines added to give Terrans another form of splash against lings, banes, mutas, way cheaper and more mobile than tanks
Terran's ability to deal with mass bane is indisputably much better now than it was in WoL. They have more and better tools at their disposal to do splash damage to clumps of banes, while banelings were not buffed at all. And OP writes an article crying about it because one of those tools is slightly worse than it was at an earlier point in time, because if one mine can't kill 20 banelings then how is Terran supposed to ever win???
And of course, Faust852 eats it all up, accepting all of it uncritically despite total bullshit passages like the above that are dismantled by even the most rudimentary application of logic. It's utterly hilarious that OP craps on Parting by posting that Youtube clip where he says "super imba" to Flash before leaving, referring to him overreacting to the novelty of speed medivacs, while refusing to apply that same logic to his own balance whining about strategies that Terran should be having an easier time dealing with now than in WoL. But apparently, post-nerf widow mines have made Terran a worse race against banelings than they were in WoL, even though Terran could always elect to just not make them if they're so awful.
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On June 30 2014 06:34 SpunXtain20 wrote:
This post is trash <-- coming from a Terran user. Does not belong on TL - take to Bnet forums please.
you couldnt have summed up your own post better.
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On June 30 2014 06:34 SpunXtain20 wrote:
This post is trash <-- coming from a Terran user. Does not belong on TL - take to Bnet forums please.
I watched your post history and you are a fucking liar.
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On June 30 2014 06:35 looken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 06:04 y0su wrote:On June 30 2014 05:45 cloneThorN wrote:On June 30 2014 05:41 y0su wrote:On June 30 2014 05:31 cloneThorN wrote:On June 30 2014 05:27 Kevn23 wrote:
How about discuss the issues being presented in the article rather than why this is posted people. When you are intentionally offending 2/3 of your readers in a post, then ofc people wil be upset. what specifically did you find offensive? (quote and context please) " What's more, with Hive being unlocked earlier, the Ultralisk now commonly appears on the field. Supreme winner in the contest of mindless beefy a-click units" "soO a-moves a bunch of ultras offcreep, with Queens and out of mana Infestors lagging behind; several screens of hit & run later, 2 ultras fell for 70 supply of bio. Zerg's micro requirements in this sequence? Null: hands lifted from keyboard would have made literally no difference. " "Lategame is the phase in which this disparity is the most blatant. Something goes dramatically wrong for Zerg? Don't panic, for the great forgiveness of an immediate buyback is there: as long as resources are available, the legion of larvae awaiting near the hatches can be mobilized at once to raise a new army of mass lings and a few ultras; and voilà, you have your second chance. " " Illustration with TaeJa vs Snute: reaching lategame, Snute builds the money composition of 30 mutas, a few ultras… and 66 banes, i.e. more banes than TaeJa has Marines. It goes without saying that TaeJa, despite no splitting mistake, fighting offcreep and 60 supply of mutas peacefully snoring nearby, gets absolutely annihilated. Maru suffered a similar fate when Symbol a-moved 77 Banelings to his 70 Marines. At this point, Zerg can almost alt-tab and browse Twitter if he fancies; " Just to pick a few.... Why is it insulting to say that Ultras or Banes need very little micro at the point where bane numbers = marine numbers? Or that late game production is drastically different for the 3 races (specifically slower and more expensive for Terran)? The point was not about Zerg (or Protoss) player micro abilities. The unit designs/interaction ( specifically in Z/P v T) do not benefit much from micro (partially because of stimmed bio). The point was that Terran lacks something to force Zerg to micro. Well, considering i was banned for saying "i'm disgusted by FF" it seems kind of odd that someone can discredit top P/Z players and nothing happens. his statements are not even passive aggressive, they are simply insulting. if you have as many thors as lings, its gonna go pretty good for the thors as well. the question is, what happened before? what allowed zerg to get out as many banes as marines and so on...
Reread what you quoted:
The point was not about Zerg (or Protoss) player micro abilities. The unit designs/interaction (specifically in Z/P v T) do not benefit much from micro (partially because of stimmed bio). The point was that Terran lacks something to force Zerg to micro.
Sure, it wasn't worded nicely but never was it called "disgusting".
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On June 30 2014 06:39 goofyballer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 06:17 Faust852 wrote:On June 30 2014 06:00 goofyballer wrote:On June 30 2014 05:24 Faust852 wrote:On June 30 2014 05:22 cloneThorN wrote:On June 30 2014 05:17 Zealously wrote:On June 30 2014 05:03 ZAiNs wrote:On June 30 2014 05:02 goofyballer wrote:
How is it that a site which usually moderates balance whining pretty heavily could allow an article to be published that spends thousands of words crying about how unfair Blizzard is to one race? Apparently it's all fine if you say "Note: This is an editorial. The opinions expressed by this article do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff (other than TheDwf)." No, it's "all fine" if you put weeks of work into your post and back your claims up by several dozen examples and considerable expertise. So if IdrA/Avilo/CombatEX put weeks worth of effort to make a post, and back their claims up with statistics and example they themself picked, then it would be ok too, to make a balance thread? Because i'm pretty sure, that each of those players could make an article similar to this, and make it so that their race looked weaker. I bet you 10$ you won't find half the content to proove a point in favor of P or Z underpowered as DwF did for T. There is so much replays/vod/other exemple it's enough to provide a point imho. Ten dollars? Oh wow, what great inspiration to spend hours and hours of my time writing thousands of words of balance whine, to be able to purchase ten junior bacon cheeseburgers when I'm done. You must be a professional Terran player to be this broke. I could say one thousand it wouldn't change anything since I'm 100% sure there is not enough content to make a counter article this detailed. It would be very easy to make such a counter article if I was allowed to make up bullshit at the rate the OP has done so. Let's look at this, for example: Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:
Yet was Terran struggling on Whirlwind at the beginning of HotS? Is it because of the new maps Terran no longer had any form of AoE properly working so their armies were repeatedly wiped out by mass banes regardless of how well splits were performed? OP is basically making the argument that MMMM - with post-nerf widow mines - is worse than MMM from WoL. How often did you see the best Terrans in Wings of Liberty cry about mass baneling and how powerless they were to do anything about it? And Blizzard, in HotS, gives them even better tools to deal with banelings: - siege tanks buffed, multiple times - no siege mode research, faster fire rate - widow mines added to give Terrans another form of splash against lings, banes, mutas, way cheaper and more mobile than tanks Terran's ability to deal with mass bane is indisputably much better now than it was in WoL. They have more and better tools at their disposal to do splash damage to clumps of banes, while banelings were not buffed at all. And OP writes an article crying about it because one of those tools is slightly worse than it was at an earlier point in time, because if one mine can't kill 20 banelings then how is Terran supposed to ever win??? And of course, Faust852 eats it all up, accepting all of it uncritically despite total bullshit passages like the above that are dismantled by even the most rudimentary application of logic. It's utterly hilarious that OP craps on Parting by posting that Youtube clip where he says "super imba" to Flash before leaving, referring to him overreacting to the novelty of speed medivacs, while refusing to apply that same logic to his own balance whining about strategies that Terran should be having an easier time dealing with now than in WoL. But apparently, post-nerf widow mines have made Terran a worse race against banelings than they were in WoL, even though Terran could always elect to just not make them if they're so awful.
Please if you think tanks are stronger now. Give me a reason why you NEVER see them ?
Baneling weren't a problem in WoL because there weren't mass baneling at all since Infestors was kinda much stronger yaknow.
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On June 30 2014 06:42 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 06:35 looken wrote:On June 30 2014 06:04 y0su wrote:On June 30 2014 05:45 cloneThorN wrote:On June 30 2014 05:41 y0su wrote:On June 30 2014 05:31 cloneThorN wrote:On June 30 2014 05:27 Kevn23 wrote:
How about discuss the issues being presented in the article rather than why this is posted people. When you are intentionally offending 2/3 of your readers in a post, then ofc people wil be upset. what specifically did you find offensive? (quote and context please) " What's more, with Hive being unlocked earlier, the Ultralisk now commonly appears on the field. Supreme winner in the contest of mindless beefy a-click units" "soO a-moves a bunch of ultras offcreep, with Queens and out of mana Infestors lagging behind; several screens of hit & run later, 2 ultras fell for 70 supply of bio. Zerg's micro requirements in this sequence? Null: hands lifted from keyboard would have made literally no difference. " "Lategame is the phase in which this disparity is the most blatant. Something goes dramatically wrong for Zerg? Don't panic, for the great forgiveness of an immediate buyback is there: as long as resources are available, the legion of larvae awaiting near the hatches can be mobilized at once to raise a new army of mass lings and a few ultras; and voilà, you have your second chance. " " Illustration with TaeJa vs Snute: reaching lategame, Snute builds the money composition of 30 mutas, a few ultras… and 66 banes, i.e. more banes than TaeJa has Marines. It goes without saying that TaeJa, despite no splitting mistake, fighting offcreep and 60 supply of mutas peacefully snoring nearby, gets absolutely annihilated. Maru suffered a similar fate when Symbol a-moved 77 Banelings to his 70 Marines. At this point, Zerg can almost alt-tab and browse Twitter if he fancies; " Just to pick a few.... Why is it insulting to say that Ultras or Banes need very little micro at the point where bane numbers = marine numbers? Or that late game production is drastically different for the 3 races (specifically slower and more expensive for Terran)? The point was not about Zerg (or Protoss) player micro abilities. The unit designs/interaction ( specifically in Z/P v T) do not benefit much from micro (partially because of stimmed bio). The point was that Terran lacks something to force Zerg to micro. Well, considering i was banned for saying "i'm disgusted by FF" it seems kind of odd that someone can discredit top P/Z players and nothing happens. his statements are not even passive aggressive, they are simply insulting. if you have as many thors as lings, its gonna go pretty good for the thors as well. the question is, what happened before? what allowed zerg to get out as many banes as marines and so on... Reread what you quoted: Show nested quote +The point was not about Zerg (or Protoss) player micro abilities. The unit designs/interaction (specifically in Z/P v T) do not benefit much from micro (partially because of stimmed bio). The point was that Terran lacks something to force Zerg to micro. Sure, it wasn't worded nicely but never was it called "disgusting".
I never said he called anything "disgusting", read what you have quoted 
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Well that's a pretty long and salty article, but I agree with the general sentiment that all of Terran's new stuff has been gutted while Z/P have kept everything and even had some of it buffed. The utter lack of Terran both inside and outside Korea these days makes the game totally uninteresting, and as a result I haven't watched much of anything over the last 4-5 months and haven't posted much here either. SC2 is just boring without a healthy number of Terrans. TvZ and TvT have been the best matchups in the game since forever, but now the former is seen much less frequently and the latter is for all intents and purposes nonexistent. The only time in recent memory I can recall being excited about a match was Flash vs Bbyong in TB's Shoutcraft tournament, and it so happened that it was an excellent series that puts all the ZvZvPvP we've been forced to endure all year to shame. SC2 isn't quite dead to me yet, but it will be if this trend keeps up.
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As a Terran I am surely going to enjoy reading this.
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Very well written and to the point editorial, and I couldn't agree more with the facts depicted by it. I hope it wasn't for nothing and the right persons will read it.
From a SC2 terran player (BW protoss) point of view, and an avid viewer of all SC2 tournaments so far, I can say that there's something really wrong with Terran race and by proxy the other two races (i'm not a biased Terran player but i can tell that nothing good happened so far, which makes me question the ability of the current Blizzard SC2 team to do their job in an not perfect but acceptable way at least).
HotS is in need of a serious major responsible rebalancing, factoring in all previous changes (since the very first SC2 beta release to now) and thinking N steps forward before committing to a new path.
We saw what happened so far, with all the so called tiny minor "tweaks" that left everyone perplexed, nothing good transpired.
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Wow! It has been made! The official terran whine justification thread, here on TL! :D And it's big ! I guess now is not the time to argue that balance is fine?
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On June 30 2014 06:44 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 06:39 goofyballer wrote:On June 30 2014 06:17 Faust852 wrote:On June 30 2014 06:00 goofyballer wrote:On June 30 2014 05:24 Faust852 wrote:On June 30 2014 05:22 cloneThorN wrote:On June 30 2014 05:17 Zealously wrote:On June 30 2014 05:03 ZAiNs wrote:On June 30 2014 05:02 goofyballer wrote:
How is it that a site which usually moderates balance whining pretty heavily could allow an article to be published that spends thousands of words crying about how unfair Blizzard is to one race? Apparently it's all fine if you say "Note: This is an editorial. The opinions expressed by this article do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff (other than TheDwf)." No, it's "all fine" if you put weeks of work into your post and back your claims up by several dozen examples and considerable expertise. So if IdrA/Avilo/CombatEX put weeks worth of effort to make a post, and back their claims up with statistics and example they themself picked, then it would be ok too, to make a balance thread? Because i'm pretty sure, that each of those players could make an article similar to this, and make it so that their race looked weaker. I bet you 10$ you won't find half the content to proove a point in favor of P or Z underpowered as DwF did for T. There is so much replays/vod/other exemple it's enough to provide a point imho. Ten dollars? Oh wow, what great inspiration to spend hours and hours of my time writing thousands of words of balance whine, to be able to purchase ten junior bacon cheeseburgers when I'm done. You must be a professional Terran player to be this broke. I could say one thousand it wouldn't change anything since I'm 100% sure there is not enough content to make a counter article this detailed. It would be very easy to make such a counter article if I was allowed to make up bullshit at the rate the OP has done so. Let's look at this, for example: On June 29 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:
Yet was Terran struggling on Whirlwind at the beginning of HotS? Is it because of the new maps Terran no longer had any form of AoE properly working so their armies were repeatedly wiped out by mass banes regardless of how well splits were performed? OP is basically making the argument that MMMM - with post-nerf widow mines - is worse than MMM from WoL. How often did you see the best Terrans in Wings of Liberty cry about mass baneling and how powerless they were to do anything about it? And Blizzard, in HotS, gives them even better tools to deal with banelings: - siege tanks buffed, multiple times - no siege mode research, faster fire rate - widow mines added to give Terrans another form of splash against lings, banes, mutas, way cheaper and more mobile than tanks Terran's ability to deal with mass bane is indisputably much better now than it was in WoL. They have more and better tools at their disposal to do splash damage to clumps of banes, while banelings were not buffed at all. And OP writes an article crying about it because one of those tools is slightly worse than it was at an earlier point in time, because if one mine can't kill 20 banelings then how is Terran supposed to ever win??? And of course, Faust852 eats it all up, accepting all of it uncritically despite total bullshit passages like the above that are dismantled by even the most rudimentary application of logic. It's utterly hilarious that OP craps on Parting by posting that Youtube clip where he says "super imba" to Flash before leaving, referring to him overreacting to the novelty of speed medivacs, while refusing to apply that same logic to his own balance whining about strategies that Terran should be having an easier time dealing with now than in WoL. But apparently, post-nerf widow mines have made Terran a worse race against banelings than they were in WoL, even though Terran could always elect to just not make them if they're so awful. Please if you think tanks are stronger now. Give me a reason why you NEVER see them ?Baneling weren't a problem in WoL because there weren't mass baneling at all since Infestors was kinda much stronger yaknow.
See? You aren't thinking about this whatsoever.
Tanks are stronger now. This is a fact. Their dps is higher than in WoL, they're a little cheaper (in WoL you had to spend 100/100 on siege research, so spread that across the cost of every tank you make to see how much you save now), and they're useful faster (because no siege research). But herp derp people don't make them as much, they must be worse!
They're not worse, Terrans make widow mines instead because widow mines are still a really good unit, despite what the OP apparently thinks about them.
Again, if widow mines are so bad, stop making them! Make tanks! Why is the OP crying to Blizzard about the failure of his own race to utilize good unit compositions?
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Death of terran is the death of sc2.
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On June 30 2014 06:52 goofyballer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 06:44 Faust852 wrote:On June 30 2014 06:39 goofyballer wrote:On June 30 2014 06:17 Faust852 wrote:On June 30 2014 06:00 goofyballer wrote:On June 30 2014 05:24 Faust852 wrote:On June 30 2014 05:22 cloneThorN wrote:On June 30 2014 05:17 Zealously wrote:On June 30 2014 05:03 ZAiNs wrote:On June 30 2014 05:02 goofyballer wrote:
How is it that a site which usually moderates balance whining pretty heavily could allow an article to be published that spends thousands of words crying about how unfair Blizzard is to one race? Apparently it's all fine if you say "Note: This is an editorial. The opinions expressed by this article do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff (other than TheDwf)." No, it's "all fine" if you put weeks of work into your post and back your claims up by several dozen examples and considerable expertise. So if IdrA/Avilo/CombatEX put weeks worth of effort to make a post, and back their claims up with statistics and example they themself picked, then it would be ok too, to make a balance thread? Because i'm pretty sure, that each of those players could make an article similar to this, and make it so that their race looked weaker. I bet you 10$ you won't find half the content to proove a point in favor of P or Z underpowered as DwF did for T. There is so much replays/vod/other exemple it's enough to provide a point imho. Ten dollars? Oh wow, what great inspiration to spend hours and hours of my time writing thousands of words of balance whine, to be able to purchase ten junior bacon cheeseburgers when I'm done. You must be a professional Terran player to be this broke. I could say one thousand it wouldn't change anything since I'm 100% sure there is not enough content to make a counter article this detailed. It would be very easy to make such a counter article if I was allowed to make up bullshit at the rate the OP has done so. Let's look at this, for example: On June 29 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:
Yet was Terran struggling on Whirlwind at the beginning of HotS? Is it because of the new maps Terran no longer had any form of AoE properly working so their armies were repeatedly wiped out by mass banes regardless of how well splits were performed? OP is basically making the argument that MMMM - with post-nerf widow mines - is worse than MMM from WoL. How often did you see the best Terrans in Wings of Liberty cry about mass baneling and how powerless they were to do anything about it? And Blizzard, in HotS, gives them even better tools to deal with banelings: - siege tanks buffed, multiple times - no siege mode research, faster fire rate - widow mines added to give Terrans another form of splash against lings, banes, mutas, way cheaper and more mobile than tanks Terran's ability to deal with mass bane is indisputably much better now than it was in WoL. They have more and better tools at their disposal to do splash damage to clumps of banes, while banelings were not buffed at all. And OP writes an article crying about it because one of those tools is slightly worse than it was at an earlier point in time, because if one mine can't kill 20 banelings then how is Terran supposed to ever win??? And of course, Faust852 eats it all up, accepting all of it uncritically despite total bullshit passages like the above that are dismantled by even the most rudimentary application of logic. It's utterly hilarious that OP craps on Parting by posting that Youtube clip where he says "super imba" to Flash before leaving, referring to him overreacting to the novelty of speed medivacs, while refusing to apply that same logic to his own balance whining about strategies that Terran should be having an easier time dealing with now than in WoL. But apparently, post-nerf widow mines have made Terran a worse race against banelings than they were in WoL, even though Terran could always elect to just not make them if they're so awful. Please if you think tanks are stronger now. Give me a reason why you NEVER see them ?Baneling weren't a problem in WoL because there weren't mass baneling at all since Infestors was kinda much stronger yaknow. See? You aren't thinking about this whatsoever. Tanks are stronger now. This is a fact. Their dps is higher than in WoL, they're a little cheaper (in WoL you had to spend 100/100 on siege research, so spread that across the cost of every tank you make to see how much you save now), and they're useful faster (because no siege research). But herp derp people don't make them as much, they must be worse! They're not worse, Terrans make widow mines instead because widow mines are still a really good unit, despite what the OP apparently thinks about them. Again, if widow mines are so bad, stop making them! Make tanks! Why is the OP crying to Blizzard about the failure of his own race to utilize good unit compositions?
Because the counters to the tank were buffed even more, are more numerous, more easilly accessible and much easier to control.
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Regardless of balance, there seems to be a consensus that terran makes the game more exciting from a spectator pov than the other two races.
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