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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
People who read these types of posts no matter how well it is constructed and presented, will actually begin to believe they get beat on the ladder because they play Terran. There will always be issues with balance in an asymmetric game. This season i look at the maps being the biggest culprit for GSL, they just to big at present and need to be made smaller. Btw Terran look to be doing reasonably ok in Pro League, which is now the highest standard of play in SC2 | ||
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goofyballer
United States136 Posts
At least The Great Book of Protoss Bullshit was entertaining. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Well played sir. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On June 30 2014 05:02 goofyballer wrote: How is it that a site which usually moderates balance whining pretty heavily could allow an article to be published that spends thousands of words crying about how unfair Blizzard is to one race? Apparently it's all fine if you say "Note: This is an editorial. The opinions expressed by this article do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff (other than TheDwf)." | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On June 30 2014 05:02 goofyballer wrote: How is it that a site which usually moderates balance whining pretty heavily could allow an article to be published that spends thousands of words crying about how unfair Blizzard is to one race? Click bait? Naw I'm kidding but it is sort of hypocritical, isn't it? On June 30 2014 05:03 ZAiNs wrote: Apparently it's all fine if you say "Note: This is an editorial. The opinions expressed by this article do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff (other than TheDwf)." Note: This is an editorial. The opinions expressed by this article do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff (other than SetGuitarsToKill). Fuck Protoss (This could have saved me many bans) | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8540 Posts
AHA! Should have included those stats in the editorial as well! | ||
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Hider
Denmark9390 Posts
On June 30 2014 04:54 cloneThorN wrote: ¨ Bunny is the only terran of those thats worth talking about now. Before hots, only happy and lucifron was inside the top 16 of eu gm. And that "lucifron best foreigner hueheuehue" thing is biased too. He won like 1 or two things worth a small notice, and nothing else. No high placements either. The thing that makes me call them patch terrans, is that they all went from being near the top of eu ladder, to be the supreme rulers, when hellbats where introduced. I'm sorry, but one of the reasons why terrans outside KR is doing so badly, is not because of a skill disparancy, it's because they refuse to abuse terrans lategame power, and instead hope to steamroll people with mmm, as if they where playing zerg. Did you compeltely ignore my refusal of your logic? It's pretty !@#$%^&* obvious they improved becasue terran was !@#$%^&* at the end of WOL. Then HOTS came and created a better balance, and their results improved which only was fair. Statistically speaking we never saw an overpresentation of terrans. That's like saying all zergs who improved in 2011 (after zerg was UP in 2010) were patchzergs. No they first became patchzergs when a bunch of zergs started doing really well and terran/toss were hugely underpresented. So you imply that korean terrans abuse it lategame? If you just watch the korean scene, you will notice that terran especially in TvP always try to avoid late game. In TvZ, it's very rare you actually see the Raven/mech in korea that I expect you refer too. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On June 30 2014 05:02 Faust852 wrote: You know your article is totally legit and 100% on topic when everyone are only "meh, biased article" but are totally unable to provide a single counter argument. Well played sir. Everyone acknowledge T has a problem (or P and Z if you want to see it that way). MOST PEOPLE at least. The tone of the article is very offensive towards very talented progamers and sounds like an avilo banter. I expect more from a TL writer. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On June 30 2014 03:57 aZealot wrote: I'll have to read this in full later, but initially it looks like another "I think the game should look be like X" article. The sort of opinion that if posted in SC2 General, would be closed and the OP warned. I expect better of TeamLiquid. I am disappointed TL chose to publish it, because I do not think it will be constructive and will rather just entrench positions (and given dwf's usual whiny tone on things balance will cause even more entrenchment from players/people in the middle). That said, I'll give it a solid read when I have the time. Then it might be time to stay away from TL for a while. Periodically the SC2 community goes on witch hunts (be it individuals or race) and this looks like another time coming up. Strangely, or not so strangely, it usually seems to happen as the season draws to a close. Too much time on our hands, I suppose. why do people think it's a good idea to comment based on NOT reading the article? | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
A buff or a nerf is designed to change a part of the game that clearly influences balance. There was absolutely no reason for the nerf of the WM, nor for the buff of the oracle. I read through this article and although I do not share the opinion that is stated there completely, I have to say that this is one darn well written piece. My personal conclusion on HotS is: "Blizzard fucked up". And as long as there is no chance for the metagame to develop a bit longer than just 2-3 months, they will fuck up over and over again. | ||
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Trustworthy-Tony
Tanzania187 Posts
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VeNoM HaZ Skill
United States1528 Posts
On June 30 2014 05:01 Topdoller wrote: Shocked this got the "OKed" to be posted by TeamLiquid. Vilifying and demeaning other Pro players achievements just because its perceived they are playing an "easier race" isn't really constructive. People who read these types of posts no matter how well it is constructed and presented, will actually begin to believe they get beat on the ladder because they play Terran. There will always be issues with balance in an asymmetric game. This season i look at the maps being the biggest culprit for GSL, they just to big at present and need to be made smaller. Btw Terran look to be doing reasonably ok in Pro League, which is now the highest standard of play in SC2 SPL Round 4 (Current): PvT is 10-2............................. TvZ is 9-9. Yeah that looks balanced, but take a look at who is playing when Terran actually wins. Only the elite terrans are playing, while plenty of mediocre zergs are being sent out. | ||
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
On June 30 2014 04:36 HolyArrow wrote: Exactly this. The community is already insanely toxic as it is right now, and this is just fanning the flames. I don't have much hope for this game's future when I saw the way a majority of people reacted to Scarlett beating DRG as Protoss, or Classic beating sOo in the GSL (granted, that's ZvP, but I'm just trying to show how easily people can be incited to make balance whine and my-race-is-harder-than-yours shitposts). I've never said this before, but it does appear that the game is dying, and I wouldn't be surprised if the toxicity of the community has a good deal to do with it. Who wants to be part of a community where the majority of reactions to someone winning a tournament is balance whine instead of congratulation, where people eagerly latch onto any possible piece of evidence they can use to further their "my race is harder than yours/your race is easymode" agenda? People already know that Terran needs a buff. You'd have to be insanely willfully ignorant to think that Terran is fine right now. But articles like these will do nothing but inspire more ladder BM and shitposting whenever a non-Terran wins a tournament, or a match against a Terran. Sniff sniff... It smells of hypocracy in here.. 1. You're flaming the community in the first line of your post, generalizing people you've never met, from what you have seen on forums the vast majority of the playbase don't use. 2. People found it funny that scarlett beat drg with a blind all in from her offrace. The number 1 reason why people, terran toos and zerg alike have disliked sc2 protoss for a long time now, have been because of the infinite ammount of timings protoss has, and the low skillceling to make them effective. 3. Only a small minority legitimatly thinks they lose because of race imbalance. Most of the people who say stuff like that, are people who are not fluent in english or have a hard time making arguments, who thinks it is simply boring and unfun to play vs toss, or watch toss. People hate to watch, and play, 3 things. Protoss winning overwhelmingly with a timing attack, mass raven, and zerg turtle style. If you can remove these things, the game would be SO much better. 4. No one knows what is causing terran players to be behind the other races. The problem is, that if terran recive buffs that benefit their units directly, then that escalates very quickly into terran becomming way stronger than the other races. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On June 30 2014 05:08 Trustworthy-Tony wrote: I miss playing proxy marauder vs protoss. That said, WoL TvP was ridiculously disgustingly terran-favoured. Overall stats said it was pretty balance tho. | ||
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tjtombo
United States295 Posts
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On June 30 2014 05:01 Topdoller wrote: Shocked this got the "OKed" to be posted by TeamLiquid. Vilifying and demeaning other Pro players achievements just because its perceived they are playing an "easier race" isn't really constructive. People who read these types of posts no matter how well it is constructed and presented, will actually begin to believe they get beat on the ladder because they play Terran. There will always be issues with balance in an asymmetric game. This season i look at the maps being the biggest culprit for GSL, they just to big at present and need to be made smaller. Btw Terran look to be doing reasonably ok in Pro League, which is now the highest standard of play in SC2 You have a strange definition of "doing reasonably ok". Terran with most wins this round is MKP at 4-5. Maru is 3-5. Flash is 3-5. Bbyong is 3-4. TY is 1-3. Only gumiho at 3-1 is doing reasonably ok. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On June 30 2014 05:14 tjtombo wrote: It's sad how many people dismiss the article as bad and toxic without offering any counter-argument It's an usual behaviour when you are put on a corner : denying. | ||
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JonIrenicus
Italy602 Posts
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cloneThorN
Denmark302 Posts
On June 30 2014 05:13 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: SPL Round 4 (Current): PvT is 10-2............................. TvZ is 9-9. Yeah that looks balanced, but take a look at who is playing when Terran actually wins. Only the elite terrans are playing, while plenty of mediocre zergs are being sent out. If you are losing on the ladder alot to a specific race, then it's you being horrible bad, and not your race. Also i like that you think, that Bo1 games matters  | ||
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