EPTe.g., no one would refer to e-sports when playing WoW on the server.
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
e.g., no one would refer to e-sports when playing WoW on the server. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On June 06 2014 00:16 Big J wrote: Not going to discuss your feelings towards a word. It has a meaning, it can be looked up, end of story. @Xiphos: I'm not confusing esports with anything else. I'm going by the commonly found definitions of the term that I looked up before writing those posts. Not saying that you are wrong but if we were to go by pure semantics, then yeah esport != professional gaming. On June 06 2014 00:12 urboss wrote: @Xiphos, this classification makes perfect sense, however I do believe that the majority of people would say that e-sports equals professional gaming. Well majority of the people believed that the Earth was flat Hahah. And also majority of the people believe that when people were asking "How do you weigh?" is the same thing as asking for their mass. Weight != mass, weight = mass * acceleration by gravity. Its important to be accurate in the semantic of this "campaign" of ours. So when Blizzard say that they care about "SC2 esport", they never say they care about making it viable to play professionally. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
Heros in RTS games is whatever. It's fun for single player, but it sounds like Blizz did a shit job balancing them in WC3. From a spectator's perspective, having poorly balanced heros would kinda suck. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On June 06 2014 00:11 Green_25 wrote: Actually, its: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. Note the physical exertion and skill aspect. This is why I'd link skill being a necessity in esports. Feel free to disagree, as established there's no internet god defining these terms. That's simply a recent cultural qualifier added into the word sport during the modern times. The original definition of sport is something you do to pass the time, it could literally be anything. Watching butterflies can be sport if you're doing it to pass the time as opposed to doing it for science. Much like esport and its definitions is a ongoing and changing convention, so too is the definition of Sports. We *now* suggest that it implicates physical activity, the original word did not. That is why Chess is a sport, as are card games. What we describe as Esports is actually more accurate to the original meaning of the word sport. As time passes the requirement for physical activity in sports will come and go, some decades it will move back to its original meaning, other times it will go back to the physical exertion meaning. The only reason we have it is because culturally we want it to be there, right now. That will not always be the case. | ||
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
Agree to disagree tbh, I don't buy into the idea that the word esport is anything but subjective, sport has been around for centuries however | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On June 06 2014 01:56 Green_25 wrote: Well physical exertion or skill with an unknown ceiling, chess falls under that umbrella, hearthstone and poker don't. Agree to disagree tbh, I don't buy into the idea that the word esport is anything but subjective, sport has been around for centuries however all language is subjective by any sane definition of what language actually is and the purpose it serves "it was this way before" has literally 0 bearing on how language is best understood or applied | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On June 06 2014 01:56 Green_25 wrote: Well physical exertion or skill with an unknown ceiling, chess falls under that umbrella, hearthstone and poker don't. Agree to disagree tbh, I don't buy into the idea that the word esport is anything but subjective, sport has been around for centuries however Sport as requiring physical activity is a recent definition. It meant any activity for far longer. | ||
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
"3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime." You can just go right to the dictionary. You also know this since you went yourself to the dictionary and saw the definition there and yet somehow thought other people weren't smart enough to look up the definition and check and see what it says and would just take your deception at face value. People are generally dumb, but they are smarter than that. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17575 Posts
Grey Goo will be at the E3 Expo on the Samsung stage for 20 minutes at 12:20 PDT. i love SC2, but it needs some competition. Schedule here http://gematsu.com/2014/06/e3-2014-press-conference-streaming-schedule Livestream Coverage here. http://www.gamespot.com/e3/samsung-stage-3-2014/ | ||
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
On June 12 2014 09:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Exciting news! Grey Goo will be at the E3 Expo on the Samsung stage for 20 minutes at 12:20 PDT. i love SC2, but it needs some competition. Schedule here http://gematsu.com/2014/06/e3-2014-press-conference-streaming-schedule Livestream Coverage here. http://www.gamespot.com/e3/samsung-stage-3-2014/ Just did a little research and Grey Goo doesn't look like it will be competition at all. They're basically trying to slow down the game and all the commands are issued with q w e r and t I believe. They say it's to make each decision more meaningful or whatever but it'll just set the skill ceiling too low imo. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17575 Posts
On June 12 2014 10:01 knOxStarcraft wrote: Just did a little research and Grey Goo doesn't look like it will be competition at all. They're basically trying to slow down the game and all the commands are issued with q w e r and t I believe. They say it's to make each decision more meaningful or whatever but it'll just set the skill ceiling too low imo. any sources for your "research" ? its an RTS.. if its released it'll compete for the money RTS enthusiasts have to spend. incontrol played the game and said its good for RTS enthusiasts. he was making a basic generic comment and not trying to pull off some political corporate bullshit. so i'll trust his judgement on that. any one can always find an excuse to hate something before they've seen it though. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26971 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
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TopRamen
United States96 Posts
"...By freeing players from having to issue hundreds of orders in a match, each decision is made more valuable and can mean the difference between victory and defeat." http://www.greybox.com/greygoo/en/info/overview/ | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
Lack of strategic depth? A lot of people would say the same for soccer: it's hitting a ball into the net. But coaches are paid handsomely, and in terms of DotA I've seen coaches enter the booth with their players, kind of like a 6th man. There is tons of strategy: you are probably just unaware of it. Instant action of mobas? In LoL maybe, as I haven't watched that many games. But I know with DotA, having to go to lvl 25 makes the game a lot longer, and in some cases teams do farm for 20 minutes with little interaction in a split map scenario when they both have hard carries. It happens in both games. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17575 Posts
On June 12 2014 12:39 TopRamen wrote: Grey Goo lost me at this... "...By freeing players from having to issue hundreds of orders in a match, each decision is made more valuable and can mean the difference between victory and defeat." http://www.greybox.com/greygoo/en/info/overview/ they are pretty vague with that comment. because i have not played the game i can only speculate. but the line before the line you highlight in your comment says "by placing emphasis on tactics over micro-management." so i'm thinking CoH1 style squad and cover mechanics where the squad will just naturally find "green cover" near the area u send them. OR it could be a variety of "squad stances" like in C&C3. or it could even be both they talk some big talk about revolutionizing the genre .. i guess that is to keep investors happy? i'll be happy if the games turns out to be as popular and fun as CoH1 and we get an alternative to Starcraft to play where i can hit the automatch button and be in a new game in less than 5 minutes. | ||
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sacrilegious
Canada863 Posts
Who am I kidding, we'll never see WC4 as long as WoW continues to exist.. *sigh | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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